1870's Martin destroyed for a movie

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 01:48 AM

Thanks, guys, for remaining good-natured and not kicking me in the balls for my comment above!

I am sorry that the guitar got smashed, I'd far prefer it didn't, but I don't see it as the portent of Armageddon the way some others seem to! 😄

And, FWIW, I like banjos, pianos, bodhrans and accordions. It's those f***ing pukeleles I can't stand! 😎

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,gecko
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 10:12 PM

Steady up there, Mr Campin! Some of us strive for sensitivity in our playing - it's not our fault if the guitarists fuck up the rhythm......
YIU
gecko

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 07:44 PM

My old neighborhood was a popular location for film crews. They cut down trees, towed cars, one set even played frisbee on the roof of my old apartment building. Movie people think anything they use is theirs, to destroy if they have to.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 06:34 PM

Can we persuade Tarantino to make a movie featuring a bodhran player?

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 06:26 PM

And just think of all those pianos that got smashed up "for fun"!

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 03:36 PM

I was wondering how long it would take for banjo envy to rear it's ugly head.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 02:23 PM

I would agree if we were talking about banjos but we're not....

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Feb 16 - 10:31 AM

It's just a guitar. There are plenty more guitars around the world.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 10:45 AM

Bloody sad is what that is.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: kendall
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 10:28 AM

No way will I watch that film. I'm wanting smash a new Japanese replica over HIS head.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 10:18 AM

Having worked backstage and seen the usually low level of intelligence that prevails there, I am shocked that a museum director would entrust anything of value to anybody in show business.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 09:16 AM

In the mega budget movie business where vintage classic cars and trains etc
have routinely been destroyed for explosive on screen effect
do you really think they will be too bothered about an old guitar ?

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Stuart E
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 08:49 AM

Indeed, it does make you wonder. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "accident" was no accident, but not the fault of the actor in question...

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 08:23 AM

Surely it was the director's responsibility to make sure the original was swapped for a prop at the appropriate time, and to make sure the actors knew what was supposed to happen?

Guitar Player reports that "Tarantino was in a corner of the room with a funny curl on his lips, because he got something out of it with the performance." Makes you wonder...

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 08:22 AM

Here's the clip. It happens around 3:30.



Video here

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 08:03 AM

Why didn't Martin send along a babysitter to keep a close eye on the old guitar and if they did why not send a more competent one? They could have had the expense written into the loan contract.

Also, with all their skilled luthiers they could have manufactured a very near replica distressed to look like an antique instrument, sold it to the film maker, bought it back and ensconced it in a display case in their museum.

The mind boggles.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 07:52 AM

"They won't make that mistake again."

Exactly. So should Tarintino or Kurt Russell man up and pay for the guitar?

And SOMEWHERE on line I've seen the video of the guitar being smashed. I've tried to find the clip and can't. But you can see the look on Jennifer Jason Leigh's face when it happens - she was really shocked.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 07:45 AM

They won't make that mistake again.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 06:19 AM

Ditto to what Will Fly says above.
IMO, Martin & Co are just as dumb as the movie makers.

I suppose there's some comfort to be had in that it was an old guitar & not a new one ;-)

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 05:35 AM

I can't understand why they had to have the original for filming if there were several copies available anyway. The person playing it could have used a good visual copy for the filming and the Foley engineer could have added sound from the original in post-production.

Hey ho...

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Ged Fox
Date: 05 Feb 16 - 05:23 AM

Rule 1: never lend anything for use on stage if you want to get it back.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 16 - 11:17 PM

Yet Another reason to dislike that terrible movie

Subject: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Feb 16 - 11:03 PM

A story from the Reverb website:

Story Here


Reverb's story "The Hateful Eight" Hates on Six Strings" contains information about the destruction of the priceless 145-years-old instrument that Dick Boak, director of the museum, archives and special projects for C.F. Martin & Co., says the company was not previously aware of.

In the film, John Ruth, played by Kurt Russell, grabs a guitar from Daisy Domergue, played by Jennifer Jason Leigh, and smashes it, eliciting horror. However, the smashed guitar was an authentic Martin from the 1870s, on loan from the Martin Guitar Museum, rather than one of several copies on hand for the shoot.

"We were informed that it was an accident on set," Boak says. "We assumed that a scaffolding or something fell on it. We understand that things happen, but at the same time we can't take this lightly. All this about the guitar being smashed being written into the script and that somebody just didn't tell the actor, this is all new information to us. We didn't know anything about the script or Kurt Russell not being told that it was a priceless, irreplaceable artifact from the Martin Museum."

According to the film's Academy Award-winning sound mixer Mark Ulano, as quoted in SSNInsider.com, the scene was to be shot up to a certain point, a cut made, the guitar swapped out for a double and for the double to be smashed. "Well, somehow that didn't get communicated to Kurt, so when you see that happen on the frame, Jennifer's reaction is genuine," Ulano said, as quoted in SSNInsider.com.

As a result of the incident, the company will no longer loan guitars to movies under any circumstances."
Further, Boak says that Martin did not offer a replacement, as stated in the SSNInsider.com. "As a result of the incident, the company will no longer loan guitars to movies under any circumstances," Boak says.

To add insult to injury, Boak says the guitar was insured for its purchase price, which doesn't reflect its value as an irreplaceable museum artifact. Boak also says that Martin requested that the pieces be returned for a possible restoration, not for inclusion in the Martin Museum as stated in SSNInsider.com. "Upon inspection of the pieces, we realized that the guitar was beyond fixing," Boak said. "It's destroyed."

"We want to make sure that people know that the incident was very distressing to us," Boak says. "We can't believe that it happened. I don't think anything can really remedy this. We've been remunerated for the insurance value, but it's not about the money. It's about the preservation of American musical history and heritage."