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Subject: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,mag
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 05:02 PM

As long as we seem to be discussing instruments again, has anybody else played or seen the above? I ran into it at Artichoke Music in Portland. It is just so CUTE, with little inlyas for the Hammer Song all up the neck. At $2400, it's going to stay cute at a distance for me. Sounds and plays great.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 10 Nov 00 - 05:28 PM

I saw a small MArtin at Mandolin BROS:I think it was a ooo28 with some great inlays specialiy ordered by Stanley.. It was not a huge amount of $ as I remember for what it was.All the best , GUY


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: old head
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 05:01 PM

i've been playing a D28 since the 60's and wouldn't change it,ever.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Lanfranc
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 05:43 PM

00s look like ukeleles on me - I'll stick to Ds.

Smaller friends love them, though.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Biskit
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 08:36 PM

Some day I'll afford a D28....*heavy sigh*,-Biskit-


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 08:49 PM

There is a maxim among luthiers - it's a lot harder to make a good little'un than a good big'un. The small Martins are very good indeed, in general, but the nicest I ever played was a 025K


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 11:27 PM

I have one of each -- a 00 and a D -- and I love them both dearly. And sometimes one appeals to me more, and sometimes the other. I b'leeve the 00 was designed as a lady's "parlor" guitar back before telbinision ruled the evening.

But I wouldn't give either of 'em up!

A


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 11:47 PM

BNody size relates directly to all aspects of sound, not just volume. Trebles, Basses, balance.........Also, for various types of styles, body designs are quite useful in getting what you want. You ain't gonna' do much Bluegrass with an O and you're not going to get the clarity of trbles with a D. They are simply different tonal qualities, all else being equal. The best balance is generally agreed to be found in the 0000 series, followed by the OM.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: MK
Date: 11 Nov 00 - 11:55 PM

I would agree with 'Spaw. I have a 20 year old M-38 (now known as the OOOO series) and I would describe it's tone, as an OM - on steroids. It's has all the fullness of a D-28, with the mids and highs accentuated as one would expect of a OOO or an OM. Tiz a fine specimen.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 12 Nov 00 - 12:54 PM

Gotta agree with Spaw and Michael.

But........we're talkin' "Acoustic sound" here. When you get before a microphone, all bets are off. Michael's 1950s D-28, is one of the best sounding guitars I've ever played, and would be a bluegrasser's dream....even for recording (with the old style, "distance miking") and especially for onstage with "old style group miking"

With the modern studio "very close miking" style of recording, there are simply too many "overtones" and way to much volume. It sounded muddy. Not the guitar's fault..just the way things are recorded today.

This is why some of us feel we need more than one guitar. If I'm playing ragtime, I love my little 1950 0-18, but for bluegrass...gotta be a big one. Now that "All around" guitar? THAT'S the hard one to find.

Rick


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: John Hardly
Date: 12 Nov 00 - 01:29 PM

...interesting approach from Martin's standpoint. While so many people concur that the 0000 is the most versatile--and it's probably because Martin (probably correctly) presumes that soundboard size trumps depth/air volume in this regard, so many independent small builders are approaching versatility with body depth.

John


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: MK
Date: 12 Nov 00 - 01:35 PM

You also have to be fortunate to get a real good one. No two handcrafted guitars by the same manufacturer will sound alike. I have spoken with a couple of notable performers and one felt M-38s were completely un-exceptional instruments and the otherone said he played two dozen M-38s till he found the one he continues to use. I told the former, if he was ever in my neck of the woods playing mine would change his mind.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 11:16 AM

Amos said:

I b'leeve the 00 was designed as a lady's "parlor" guitar back before telbinision ruled the evening.

Actually, it was the monster of its day.

Martin originally numbered its guitars by size, from 5 to 1. A five was the smallest size, one the largest. When they decided to make a guitar even larger than a one, they, logically enough, sized it a zero. As they made even larger ones, they went to the double- and triple- zeros. The dreadnought came after that.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 12:46 PM

Yeah, of all the guitars I have owned and unloaded over time, my old Martin M 36 is the only one I truly regret giving up. [The M 36 was a slightly plainer version of the M 38, with a three-piece rosewood back instead of a two-piece.] The body style is larger than a 000 when viewed from the front, but shallower than a dreadnought. So you get the rich low end without the "woof," and it's more comfortable under your right arm. It's too bad Martin hasn't continued these models.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 01:47 PM

As long as the thread is still going, what does anybody think about my dreadnought takamine? I haven't gotten rid of it after buying a smaller guitar which I much needed, but I never play it anymore. the smaller one has me spoiled completely. -- MA (now properly reconnected)

(The local Tak dealer told me it was now worth about $150, which I thought was insulting. At the same time he told me the Taks were solid and not laminate! Who is crazy: him or me?)


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 02:41 PM

I've never been a big fan of Takamines; they mainly got their market share a decade or more ago on the strength of their on-board electronics, which the rest of the world has caught up to since then. Without knowing what model you have, or what condition it's in, it's hard to tell whether your dealer's opinion was on-target or not. But keep in mind that you can generally sell a used instrument on the open market for more than a dealer will give you -- especially if it's an instrument with broad name recognition (which Takamine has).

By the way, some Taks do have a solid top. Don't know if any have solid backs and sides, but it's possible. You can usually (but not always) tell a solid top from a laminate by looking at the grain at the edge of the soundhole; if it extends from top (face) to underside, it's a solid top. But one can be fooled by this also, so be careful.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 03:19 PM

Yeah, of all the guitars I have owned and unloaded over time, my old Martin M 36 is the only one I truly regret giving up. [The M 36 was a slightly plainer version of the M 38, with a three-piece rosewood back instead of a two-piece.] The body style is larger than a 000 when viewed from the front, but shallower than a dreadnought. So you get the rich low end without the "woof," and it's more comfortable under your right arm. It's too bad Martin hasn't continued these models.

As an old Martin fan of many decades' standing, who is now engaged in a torrid love affair with a new Taylor, I mean, TGTDNSIN, 414, I suggest that all of what you say applies in equal degree to the Taylor, I mean TGTDNSIN, "Grand Auditorium" (x14) models.

Usual disclaimers.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 03:28 PM

Yeah Peter, the Taylor 14-style models are great guitars -- in my opinion they're the best Taylor has to offer, which is high praise indeed. I don't consider them to be the same as a Martin -- Taylors have their strengths, and Martins have theirs. But I agree that the body style is a good one, which strikes a great balance between the deep resonance of a dreadnought and the sweet articulation of a smaller body.

However, I cannot decipher the "TGTDNSIN" references -- translation?


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 03:44 PM

I recently purchased a new Alvarez cutaway twelve after playing the corresponding Martins,Taks,Ovations and Yamahas.Atleast in the under $1000 price range,the Martins didn't hold a candle.The so-called "eco-friendly" laminates that they are using were distinctly less resonant,especially in the treble,and if you don't want it to ring, why buy a 12? Could it be that (gasp) some Martin products are over-rated?

LEJ (the sacreligious)


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Nov 00 - 03:58 PM

However, I cannot decipher the "TGTDNSIN" references -- translation?

The Guitar That Dares Not Speak Its Name.

It's a poke at Taylor for the absurd rules they imposed on their dealers about advertising in catalogs or on the net.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 14 Nov 00 - 04:57 AM

I use a Maton (Australian made) guitar that has a body about the size of a 00, (it fits pretty well in a Martin 00 case.) but is somewhat deeper--like the Gibson Nick Lucas special. It fills up a large room better than some larger guitars. I also agree with those who say that the treble response is better in a smaller guitar.

I have my eye on a Martin 00-16S. It is an all solid mahogony guitar with a slotted headstock and it joins at the 12th fret. The nut width is 3/4 in instead of the more common 11/16 that Martin seems to prefer. It looks a beauty.

However, where I put my eye and where I put my money are two different things. So far only two have come into Sydney and they were bought up almost before they left the boat. I am waiting for some more to come in. I don't know much about mahogony as a tone wood, and I will have to play it and stand back and hear someone else play it.

The price here is the equivalent of $800 US dollars. That means the discount houses will be selling for even less.

Murray


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,Liam's Brother
Date: 14 Nov 00 - 07:33 AM

Hi!

Elderly Instruments sells the Martin 000-15S for US$714 plus tax. The 2 that we played sounded quite good and the extra interior space allowed by the 12-fret body seemed to make a sunstantial difference over the 14-fret model.

I agree that Martin M or 0000 guitars are very versatile guitars and sound good as a rule. I have probably played 15 or so and only one of them was a dud. I've owned both an M-36 and an M-64. I still have the 64 and I use it for everything but bar gigs. It is loud, evenly toned, comfortable and, I feel, very inspiring because it's so attractive to look at. They sell for about US$1300 used.

I played a 00-17SO yesterday. There are 2 at Mandolin Bros right now. It is very loud for the size, very nicely finished and will be a great guitar down the road. It has a very "new" sound right now. The price tag said US$1700, I recall. I see that 00-17 is going to be a standard stock model that should sell for just about US$1000.

All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 14 Nov 00 - 10:04 PM

Re: all-round guitars - I've found two in my life. One was a 1976 Gibson Heritage, the other a 1979 Guild D35. Both needed repair, which is why they came to me, so I can't make general comments, although I've found that other examples of the same have similar properties. The Gibson's top had split in transit from the US, and I got it from the importer, who was selling off a backlog of broken guitars after their repairman quit. After I repaired it, that was the best recording/stage guitar (loud enough and "level" sound) I ever found - as noted above,big guitars can sound muddy. The Guild sounds almost as good, and I still have it, but it's a Friday night special - the strutting slipped when it was being assembled on to the top at the factory,the top had started to belly, and it was a nightmare trying to sort out the mess inside and still retain the sound.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Bsondahl
Date: 14 Nov 00 - 10:19 PM

I've got a 00-18, got it because it was beat up and cheap in the 70's. It's only got a decal on it, no inlay, except maybe a bit around the sound hole. There was a female country singer had a line about her 0018 Martin a couple years back. Otherwise they live lives of quiet obscurity. I've never felt the need for another guitar. Maybe that's because I'm beat up and cheap in the Double 00's.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: mkebenn
Date: 15 Nov 00 - 06:48 AM

Bought my D-35 in 1970 amd it's been with me ever since. I've never played the small ones, but I've never played a Martin I didn't like the sound of, mostly D18s and '28s. Some do play like trucks, though.. Mike Bennett


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: bbelle
Date: 15 Nov 00 - 10:45 PM

I played a lot of small-bodied Martins in the last year and wouldn't want one of them over my Gibson B-25. And I'm not going to argue with anyone over it. It's my preference. And I truly am in love with my Larrivee D-05 dreadnought

This past weekend, not having either of my axes with me, I played a Martin D18GE with a 1 3/4" neck and was blown away by the sound. My g-d ... I had a really hard time competing with the sound over my voice, which is not even remotely wimpy. It was strung with Martin SP's (mediums) and just unbelievable.

Another thing that surprised me is that I could even play a 1 3/4" neck!!! It was a stretch, at first, but, after a while, became quite comfortable. Go figure .....!

I also had the distinct pleasure of spending two hours at The 12th Fret playing Martins, Larrivees, Bourgois, a couple of Lowdens, rosewood and mahogany. I was, to put it in Bubba-ese, in hog heaven! David Wren is quite the "guy." We talked about guitar stuff and he wants me to try a set of the Master Class Light strings, so he put a set inside my purse. Of course, if I really like 'em, gotta get 'em from him. :~}

Some of you will understand about the most terrible attack of GAS which overcame me while at The 12th Fret. So many wonderful geetars and so little money!!! I was truly wishing the skies would open up and rain $1000 bills on my head.

Well, that was a bit of threadcreep, but at least it had geetar content, so hope y'll will forgive.

Now ... back to practicing my flatpicking with my brand new 1.05 tortoise shell pick ...

moonjen


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Nov 00 - 11:45 PM

Welcome back Moonjen. Now you know why I get GAS every three days!

Rick


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 06:03 AM

You're right Liams Brother. The one I was looking at was a 000 not a 00 as I said.

Murray


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: bbelle
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 04:33 PM

Yes, Rick, I understand totally.

I'm seriously looking at a Larrivee Parlor Guitar. They are different than other "baby" guitars, i.e., Baby Taylor, Tacoma Bambino; in that Larrivee has made it a small-bodied guitar, rather than a "baby" guitar. It is solid Honduras Mahogany sides and back and Sitka Spruce top. It is deep-bodied with a 1 3/4" neck, which now I know I can play. I've played a couple and they sound really good.

Forgot to mention in my last post that I'm going to go back to medium strings. My right hand is finally conditioned for them and they are just a better dread sound. In my opinion. The secret is to play everyday and not let those calluses become raggedy. Discovered the hard way that corroded, dead strings will fray your calluses, which is as bad as softening them. Yes, I've become a 2-3 week changer of strings. Whodda thunk it?

Speaking of strings, the Earthwood lights lasted two weeks without corrosion and the Elixir lights are starting to sound dull after only a month. Gonna change to the Master Class lights tonight and see how long they last. BTW, my guitars are kept in a climate controlled environment and I keep them in their cases when not in use.

This has been, and continues to be, such a wonderful learning experience. I enjoy playing guitar more than I ever thought was possible and I'm sure it has much to do with knowing the mechanics and developing an ear for my "other" instrument. (First instrument being my voice.)

mj


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: little john cameron
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 04:41 PM

Rick,ah wonder whit happened tae Alans' Guild wi the hole wore through wi his pick? ljc


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: bbelle
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 05:15 PM

All I can say little john is that whoever Alan is, he must have been wearing his Guild slung way low to have his "pick" wear through it.

My ... what an interesting mental picture that is ...

mj


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: MK
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 05:24 PM

Perhaps LJC meant Nelson instead of Allan, and a 1969 Martin N-20 instead of the Guild. The hole keeps getting larger, and Nelson will never give up this instrument. Even with his past troubles with the IRS during which time they were seizing his assets, this guitar had been safely entrusted to the care of Waylon Jennings.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 06:48 PM

My guitar came with elixir strings and I confess I haven't changed them in 15 mo. I HATE changing strings. I can't find anybody here I can PAY to change them for me. this didn't bother me when I started out. the synapses are starting to go ...

When I was out of town this summer my callouses all peeled off, but they did come back very quickly. there must be something tough way underneath by now.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: bbelle
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 07:07 PM

Mag ... I've been playing for 30+ years and only this past Fall have learned to change my strings properly. The reason I never did it and would bat my eyes as some gnarly geetarpicker to change them for me, is because I'm ambidextrous, although I wasn't aware that was causing the problem. Picture this ... the top three strings on the inside of the tuners and the bottom three strings on the outside of the tuners. Now, I change one string at a time and don't take it out of the tuner until I'm ready to thread the new string through. It works and takes me less than an hour to restring.

mj


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 07:10 PM

Hey, Focus! I had a Gibson B25 (unresponsive dog), and a nice Takamine with a solid top (buy the old ones that look like Martins without the pointy headstock), and I've still got my Bacon and Day Senorita (which looks like a sunburst Martin 0000 - you can pay me $1000 to see), but we're here to help with a purchase decision. I say, pawn your old lady, your car, and your watch, and buy the guitar. It's only a thief in the night that robs you of sleep, but it don't tell you anything you don't want to know,it don't go strange every month, and it don't go rusty (PS avoid old Nationals).


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 12:49 AM

Hey Little John. Don't know what happened to Alan MacRae's FIRST Guild, but his last one was entrusted to me by his wife Martha to sell. He hadn't had time to wear a hole in that one.

LJC and I are referring to a wonderfully funny and complex friend we had. Sadly he drank himself to death much too young.

Little John, want to tell folks about the "haunted house" you lived in on Huntley street?

Rick


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: little john cameron
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 04:06 PM

Hi Rick.Do ye still hae the Guild?The first ane Alan got fae Tyson.
Aboot the haunted hoose in Huntley Street.Ah never saw ony ghosts,as ah wisnae there very lang.That original plan wis that ah wis aff tae Labrador an Alan wis gettin the heave oot o where he wis so ah suggested for him tae get an apt for us baith while ah wis awa.When a got back he had moved intae a closet in Huntley St.Where he expected me tae sleep wis a mystery.But it wis only $12 an ah wis on the road maist o the time.Anyway,it worked oot fine as the bold Alan moved in wi the "Electric Landlady" an that freed up the closet.Ah wis known at that time as a"Closet Musician"Ah went on the road again an when ah came back the"E.L."had sold aw mah stuff as ah forgot tae send the $12.It wis maistly junk so ah never bothered.
Ah did live in a haunted hoose on Scarth RD,Rosedale tho.That wis a strange place!The ghost wis friendly tho an never bothered me except tae sit on mah bed at nicht.Ah didnae really want tae move as there wis 12 weemin livin up the stair. ljc


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 28 Nov 00 - 01:46 PM

CraigS, my Tak is one of those old ones with a fake Martin look and better made than the later ones. It sounds just fine; am I nuts to think it;s worth more than $150? I just can't play a big guitar anymore.

Moonjen, I used to change my strings just the way you describe. I'm cross-dominant myself. It's just a hassle. the old ones look sort of unwound, so I think I'm going to have to break down and do it. Batting my eyes hasn't worked for awhile.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: bbelle
Date: 28 Nov 00 - 04:15 PM

Wow! Is that what I am? "Cross-dominant?" Does that make me a "cross-domimatrix?"

moonjen


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Nov 00 - 05:33 PM

Only if you wear six inch spike heels while changing strings!

Little John Cameron. Sorry, didn't see your last post. About the famous (in Toronto folk circles) Guild 12 string. I sold it to a stranger 'cause Martha needed the bread. Would have loved to have bought it myself but no dough at the time.

Rick


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: bbelle
Date: 28 Nov 00 - 06:39 PM

Hmmmm. I can do that! Got just the right corselette, too.

mj


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: little john cameron
Date: 29 Nov 00 - 01:17 PM

Rick, ah mind o the time Alan played it in Steeles an it only had 5 strings.Hard tae stop the man. ljc


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,1955 00018
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 01:46 AM

My 1955 00028, Beulah, is pick-worn and scratched, but, like many an old broad, she can still play up a storm.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: English Jon
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 08:20 AM

Hmmm... 150 sheets for a tak. Got to be worth more than that. It's probably solid topped. S/H taks don't raise a lot at the moment. Very unfashionable, but it should get more than that. Sell it to a player, rather than a dealer. Has it got the electrics? Tak pickups are still among the best on the market. I got a new one about six months ago after looking at a lot of more expensive martins. Honestly never thought I'd buy a Japanese guitar, but it's got fantastic pick ups, is solid throughout and completely intune all the way up the fretboard. More than can be said for the Martin D45s etc I was looking at.

Good luck with selling it, MAG. Cheers,

EJ


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: SharonA
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 09:34 AM

Mine is a Martin D35 that I bought used. Oddly, the top appears to have been cut at an angle; the grain falls diagonally through the soundhole, rather than at a right angle. Doesn't seem to have hurt the sound of the instrument at all; it's constantly being praised by listeners. BUT if I EVER find the previous owner, who stored a spiral notebook in the case with it and left spiral-marks all over the top's finish... he or she will never be found again!

I keep the action very low and use extra-light strings because I have lupus, with its attendant arthritic symptoms. I also use fingernails for picking, rather than finger-picks (they feel like children's toy rings to me). I realize that the string-weight and playing method are too light/delicate to take full advantage of the features of the D35 model; is there a Martin model I should be using that would "go better" with extra-light strings, low action and fingernails? I do enjoy the D35's depth of sound, especially in the low range. I need a strong-sounding instrument to accompany my vocals, lest I drown out my own guitar when I sing!

Anybody have any suggestions?

SharonA


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 09:52 AM

I love the sounds of the 00 and 000 body types. I have a 000 (Santa Cruz, not Martin). I typically use my Larrivee Jumbo for performance. The 000 sounds good plugged in, or mic'ed - but it sounds best in a quiet room. I suspect it sounds best to the player. When your on-stage, I think you need a guitar that is meant for that environment, volume, balance, good electronics - when you're sitting in your living room playing you can take you pick!


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,JohnL
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 09:52 AM

Take a look at Lowdens. I spent a few hours recently comparing Martins with Taylors and Lowdens and couldn't believe how much better the Lowdens sounded consistently across the different models. I went into the shop convinced I was going to buy a Martin 00028 or 00028EC and came out with a Lowden O35 after listening to them all, and it was several hundred pounds cheaper.


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: GUEST,patrick Shields@barepaw.net
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 10:03 AM

Not a lot of comment on the 50's 60's D 18 Martins...which I consider to the the best balanced for traditional music of all the Martins.... listed in this link.

I've had lots of different Martins and the ones I still like the best are the D 21 (no longer made) and the early "re-issue Martin "Custom Shop" D 18's.

One man's opinion...... Patrick Shields


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Jim Krause
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 01:50 PM

Well, let me speak blasphemy here. I have never really been a fan of Martin Guitars. And this is mostly due to my style of playing. I do a lot of fingerpicking--blues, ragtime, and pattern-picking sometimes called alternating bass. The Martin D models and the J models just have way too much bass for that sort of playing. What I have been playing for the last twenty-five years is a Stuart Mossman Tennessee Flattop. It has the body size of a Martin D series but with its mahogany back and sides, and spruce top, it sounds wonderful when played fingerstyle. Its drawback is that it doesn't have the bottom end for playing rhythm in a bluegrass or old-time stringband setting. But that's fine with me. I got lucky. This guitar was built in 1976 after the Mossman factory fire, but before he sold out to Conn Instruments. I don't think I would part with this guitar ever.
Jim


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Subject: RE: guitars: OO Martin Sing Out!
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Jul 01 - 02:43 PM

Jim - You're forgiven. I've heard great things about Mossmans. I'd like to play a few someday. I have a 1967 D-18 myself which I'll never part with - I've had it for too long. But for at home nowadays I'm more inclined to use a smaller guitar. I have an OM-28V which I love but I'm seriously thinking of getting a 12 fret slot head. I played a Collings up at Dusty Strings in Seattle last June { thanks John P } and loved it. I also played a Santa Cruz once that was wonderful. There's a 12 fret slothead in my future for sure. Even if I have to sell the OM. It will be my "nursing home" guitar - the one I take with me to the very end.


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