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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 03:13 PM

One has to be in deep denial - or ignorance - to refer to MAGAs and their ilk as "conservatives."

Dwight Eisenhower and John McCain were conservatives. So - despite obvious flaws - was Ronald Reagan.

Compare Trump and his followers with any one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 01:25 PM

I think you'll find that if the GOP could get a reasonable person as their candidate (not a Trumper from political fantasy land) everyone could relax into a normal campaign.

Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee. I don't like many of the political positions of Liz Cheney on various issues, but she is principled. Romney the same. Adam Kinzinger. They're normal conservative politicians who understand how government is supposed to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 01:24 PM

Turns out it's a bench trial - by Trump's choice.

The judge is the jury. This a.m. Trump called the AG a "racist horror show" and Judge Ergeron a "rogue judge," both of them part of the "greatest witch hunt of all time."

So the monetary judgment should be pretty hefty.

Subject: RE:warning these are just words...
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 10:55 AM

I have found the least likely people to change their minds tend to be die-hard Trumpists. The reason has something to do with feelings of victimization, anger, vengeance, and psychological issues. I am not surprised by those who choose to cling to and enjoy a 'dangerous' leader who calls for retribution.

From their victim's point of view, they feel a gross injustice that must be corrected by any means.

I'm not just talking about Trumpists.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 10:40 AM

The judge in the case isn't allowing video of opening and closing statements, but is allowing still cameras in the courtroom. Smart photographers will use mirrorless cameras that don't make a shutter noise to distract the subjects of the photos.

The Orange one has put in an appearance today, seated front and center in court. Someone must have told him that a blue tie is appropriate for court, he doesn't have his signature red over-long tie. This morning's MSNBC talking head is suggesting that if people could watch the trial then Trump's folks can't leave the courtroom and put their own "martyr" spin on the proceedings. They can see the judge being fair, etc. But after the first few photo ops before things begin, that isn't going to happen. I'm sure there will be lots of reporting from people who listen closely.

Rachel Maddow does her weekly appearance on MSNBC on Monday evenings, so I'll be tuned in to see how she views the events of the day.

You asked what people are going to do to get rid of him. Direct action as far as registering voters is a big part of it. Flipping a few seats in Congressional districts that support him will have the added effect of being able to undo damage he did in his only term. Prudent people don't wish for harmful or illegal things, especially not in writing (unlike his supporters who think violence is a tool to accomplish what they need.) Joining effective pro-voting groups and emboldening Biden supporters (who last time around felt targeted if they put political signage in their yards. Trump supporters vandalized homes and signs in 2016.) Helping people get to the polls. Working at the polls. The list grows.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 10:06 AM

The most slick witness in the Fraud trial against Trump will be Trump. He is famous for his Freudian slips. His Freudian slip-and-slide is like a HUGE polluted water slide. His trials will all be Freud Trials.

The rule of law and the Constitution are our democratic weapons of choice. Perhaps Steve is suggesting something more expedient and final

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 09:44 AM

The WP had a Trump real estate calculator for people to try on their own homes. Ours came to 17 million.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM

By the way, we can all comfort ourselves by calling him the orange one, fat, stupid, he wears diapers, he uses makeup, his hair is fake, his diet is terrible, he'll hate jail, etc. It's all just words. None of this is in any way serious enough criticism for his tens of millions of supporters to ditch him. No way. Another line of attack is needed. Court cases will go on for months and years, and he's fixed your Supreme Court, just in case he decides to take his appeals there. Fraud cases will get us nowhere. Charges of offences against the state may do. Maggie says it's about getting rid of him. Sure. But there's no serious discussion here of how we an actually do that, and the world is watching.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 05:43 PM

Well what does that mean. Never mind.

Fraud isn't going to get Donald Trump. I think we all know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 02:50 PM

Steve, we know how good your precognitive skills are, but it ain't over until the fat orange man sings.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 01:47 PM

The Trump defense is 'everybody does it'. That excuse doesn't even work if you are stopped by a cop and you say 'Everybody was speeding'.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM

Let's see what the jury hits him for in his fraud trial.

The State of New York wants $250,000,000. His former "fixer," Michael Cohen, believes that $500,000,000 is possible and appropriate.

On the other hand, they could award $1.00.

Trump insists that all the fraudulently obtained loans were fully repaid, and that "There were no victims!" That's powerful stuff if you like Trump.

If Trump's fine is minimal compared to what the state is asking, it'll be a big win - and a very ill omen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 12:30 PM

When people are even the slightest bit right, but for the wrong reasons, they are basically wrong overall.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 11:04 AM

Finally (really!), read my lips: you are not getting rid of Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 11:02 AM

I've already moved on but you want the last word. See my previous post. My opinion of your politicians is hardly any different to yours. I'm talking about how your electorate is going to see things, not you and I. And your recent bullying tone appears to make you sound like you're treading on free speech. Please don't do that. We know you don't like Brits commenting on your politics and that you think we can't read the news properly. You've made that perfectly clear. I note that you haven't made even the slightest reference to the thoughtful piece by Timothy Garton Ash. Another Brit, eh, just one who happens to know a damn sight more about all this than you and me. Did you even bother to read it?   I'm moving on now. Please don't delete this then have the last word again, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM

How can I say this in a way to get you off of this one nerve you are insisting on poking and repoking? We hear what you are saying, BUT WE DON'T AGREE. Harris may be unknown to you, I don't know most of your politicians.

I knew exactly what I meant, knew Reagan said it, but Reagan doesn't own that phrase.

Move on. This topic is about Trump's indictments, it's not about what you forecast as doom and gloom regarding the failure of the US population to completely get rid of Trump in our political landscape. We're working on it. Move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 07:14 AM

I do know how to spell it (watch out when it comes to picking me up on spellings, by the way). I got my knickers in a twist over the brackets and symbols and concluded in the end that trying to put a smiley face inside brackets is not a good idea. Once I'd got that right, more or less, I moved on without doing the spelling correction. I knew it was wrong as soon as my post appeared. I'd usually send another post to correct an error like that, but my name's already popped up too many times in this thread's recent post list (who's going to disagree?), so I refrained on this occasion. Oh, and it doesn't help that I'm currently in a tangle with my optometrist with regard to my reading glasses prescription. I'll publish the address for sympathy cards to be sent to later.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM

Is the smiley face next to the word "cognoscenti" because you don't know how to spell it?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 07:10 PM

By the way, when I say that Kamala is anonymous, I'm not saying that she's ineffective or useless or that she isn't doing a good job. Not a bit of it. But we are talking here about not having Trump as your next president. As it seems that your justice system will be incapable of dealing with him, we need really good people to be upfront and putting the moral case. I look forward to seeing more of her. At the moment, we foreigners don't actually know who she is.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 07:01 PM

Kamala Harris is simply anonymous, and from this end, very disappointing.

Trouble is, Maggie, while we all know here that Afghanistan was a Trump thing, the ignominious and chaotic withdrawal happened on Biden's watch. Suppose Trump makes a big thing of that in the next campaign. How many of his tens of millions of fans would blame him and not Biden? You and I are in a tiny minority when it comes to that digging and delving that ends up with our putting the ball into Trump's court in that regard. Let's not live in a bubble. Ultimately, it's what your electorate decides, not what you and I can live in hope with. By the way, when you say "there you go again," you are parroting the words of Reagan vs Jimmy Carter. I'm amazed that you'd lay yourself open to be tarred with that particular brush...

Over here we have news sources as good or better than yours, and we cognescenti (:-)) can dig and delve. I don't look at questionable sources and I try really hard to not suffer from confirmation bias. I'm sure you're the same, but please stop thinking that only yanks can get a grip on US issues. Seventy-odd million of you haven't yet managed it, have they?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 06:10 PM

SRS, I like Harris, and I totally agree with everything you said about her.

Looking at the campaign through the perspective of marketing (i.e. business management-speak) I think that Biden has a good chance of getting re-elected but to start up a whole new person as a potential successful candidate when Biden is currently doing a good job in the role (in my opinion, and in the polling results) is not a good marketing strategy.

I think that if Biden is re-elected then Harris stepping in, for whatever reason, is a good strategy but trying to get a woman elected, straight off the blocks, is not likely (in my opinion) due to ingrained beliefs that "a woman can't do the job". Not just male voters, but some female voters have that belief as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 05:57 PM

James Carville agrees with Steve. So does Bill Maher. Gavin Newsom is biden his time. We don't want another Ruth Bader Ginsberg fiasco.
But who knows, Joe could outlive Carter's age.

If Trump goes to jail they will have to do a cavity search where they are likely to find Sean Hannity.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 04:49 PM

There you go again. That "Afghanistan cock up" is Trump's - he set it in motion, intentionally, during his administration so it would land smack on the next guy.

Stop borrowing trouble. Harris is a talented and able vice president. If she becomes president through Biden's departure - voluntary or not - she will do a good job. I worry more about the people who are fussing about Biden's age than I worry about Biden's age.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 03:51 PM

So why haven't they been looking for the last three years? Has no-one got the vision to see that a candidate who looks frail now and who will be 86 at the end of a second term, five long years from now, could well be a liability in an election in over a year's time? I mean, what if he dies or gets really sick, fer chrissake? The age difference between them isn't too far short of a presidential term in length. You can't pretend that that doesn't matter. Listen, I like Biden, I think he's done well and the world feels safer with him at the helm. But there has to be someone else in the frame, at least to fall back on even if they don't replace him. Where is that person? They are neck and neck in the polls now, but trip-ups will wound Biden far more than they will Trump. There's his son and there's his Afghanistan cock-up for starters. Populism and seventy-odd million ignorant people have been set in place to make Trump ever stronger at every trip-up. He seems almost impregnable at times.

Read the piece by Timothy Garton Ash. He's a big Biden supporter, as am I, he's worried, and he's far more savvy in these matters than I am. I don't think you'll find anything "jaundiced" in his piece, whether you agree with him or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 02:11 PM

The polls I have seen are ranking Biden and Trump fairly equal. It seems logical to me for them both to run - assuming that Trump gets the GOP nomination, which appears likely - because it would be an uphill battle for the Democrats to find someone else with any chance of beating Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 11:26 AM

Jaundiced things my backside, Maggie. I've expressed my opinion, right or wrong, in civil tones. You've revealed multiple times here that you think that Brits can't have valid opinions on US politics. Now that's what I could call jaundiced.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM

You've said the same jaundiced things several times and have been told it isn't a good reading of the situation.

Man of Constant Sorrow is a parody that Mudcatter gnu shared this weekend.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 08:42 AM

Well that's a good message but this is politics, and populism is far from being dead in your country. You may be right about Trump's nappies and woven hair (he'll deny the nappies, of course) but we know that Bad Things about Trump tend, paradoxically, to strengthen him. Try to exploit them at your peril. Biden has been a good president but there are plenty of supposed weaknesses to exploit. It going to be an interesting few months, and you won't be able to rely on Biden's integrity alone to get him through. A horrid, populist right-winger ousted a mild man of integrity in 1980. Let's hope we are not going to have to say 'twas ever thus.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 08:38 PM

You must be watching the news that tries to find any small wobble and slows or emphasises it and blows it out of proportion.

You do realize that Trump is obese, probably wears a diaper and a girdle, has a hair weave, wears makeup to keep that orange glow, and has a terrible diet? He doesn't get enough sleep and he throws stuff when he's pissed, so a lot broken crockery and new paint around his environs.

Biden exercises at home, bikes outside regularly, eats well, and has a clear conscience. Ok, he needs to do something about the dog (call Cesar Millan, for starters). He looks healthy for his age and he's a damn sight better candidate than Trump.

Trump is a player, always calculating, Biden is kind and smart.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 06:32 PM

Well they might well be similar in age, but fer chrissake don't deny that one looks a damn sight older and more rickety than the other. This does matter. I wish Joe Biden well, but rest assured that millions of us outsiders look at him and wonder how many more times he'll stumble, fall over, be hesitant, etc., and whether Trump will be honourable enough to cut him some slack in the next fourteen months. I think you know the answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 05:26 PM

Trump and Biden are for all intents and purposes the same age. A couple of years apart. If Trump can run, Biden can run.

I'll tell you what I tell people every year.

Don't Believe the Polls

They're inaccurate, they don't ask good questions and they don't ask every voter. They're flawed and they have too much influence if people let them. The only polls that matter are the voting booth.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 11:53 AM

A dose of realism in today's Guardian:

Unless Joe Biden stands aside, the world must prepare for President Trump 2.0
Timothy Garton Ash

"The president has had a good run. But the Democrats must choose a younger candidate if Donald Trump is to be kept out of the White House."

In a nutshell, he's saying that Biden is showing his age. He'll be 86 at the end of a second term. In the polls he and Trump are neck and neck and it will take very little to swing the odds in Trump's favour. Biden has done well, but he must now stand aside and let a younger candidate challenge Trump.

That's Garton Ash. This is me: this planet (not just your country) can't afford another Trump term. First, you may or may not be able to stop his candidacy. After nearly three years you still don't seem to know and the sleepwalk continues. Second, old man Biden has a long way to go before November next year and there is too much to go wrong. Where's that younger candidate?

Anyway, I know some of you yanks think that no-one outside the US can possibly know what's going on, but read the piece anyway. It's a good read.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 11:10 AM

Trump World won't have a reason to chime in (but who knows - it could happen) regarding the death of Dianne Feinstein. California Gov. Newsom will appoint a black woman to fill out the rest of her term. This will give everyone a short course on how to replace a Democratic senator in a Democratic state with a Democratic governor. Next - will Menendez step down and let Democratic governor Philip Murphy appoint a replacement to fill the rest of his term? She stayed too long and the last term was fraught due to absences and illness, and people were pressuring her to leave. So she did. Unlike the GOP supporting it's criminal class, the Democratic party is shifting itself to put pressure on Menendez to leave, who is much less likely to die in office.

In the meantime, Trump should stop flying around to events, should sell the jet, should hunker down at his home in Florida and be glad that state is one that is very liberal (!) when it comes to being able to keep your home if you go bankrupt. He and his sons are on the brink of losing their business license in the State of New York, where many of his holdings are in place. Apparently Ivanka had her own court case last year about her standing and is the only member of the family still able to have businesses there. Does she become the sudden heir of the whole thing, or will it be liquidated by the state? She seems to have fallen from grace in the family, but perhaps that will shift.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 11:55 PM

On Monday the other shoe drops in Manhattan. His appeal didn't work and the trial begins. Pass the popcorn.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 10:33 PM

There has been no constitutional authorization for the Biden investigation. It is nothing more than Republicans pretending to hold impeachment hearings because Kevin McCarthy said so.

That methinks is of a piece with the entire Trump charade: all smoke, mirrors and Cable TV newsbites.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 02:23 PM

Meanwhile, the Trump toadies in the House of Representatives are desperate to try to do to Biden what the Senate did to Trump. What they want to do hasn't been authorised, so this is a sham hearing.

AOC AND JAMIE RASKIN SHATTER GOP’S FAKE BIDEN IMPEACHMENT HEARING

Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, Comer admitted that the hearing that the committee is holding isn’t an impeachment hearing, because the House hasn’t authorized an impeachment investigation. The hearing that Comer and Jordan are holding isn’t a real impeachment investigation hearing. Rep. Adam Schiff held authorized impeachment investigative hearings for Trump’s first impeachment because the House authorized the investigation.

There has been no constitutional authorization for the Biden investigation. It is nothing more than Republicans pretending to hold impeachment hearings because Kevin McCarthy said so.

The hearing is fake, and until there is full House authorization, they have no authority or power to do anything impeachment-related.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 02:16 PM

Trump and his adult children expected to be called to testify in New York fraud trial

Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump are among the 28 names on James’ list of witnesses to be called in the case. Trump’s sons, who are also defendants in the case, have run the company since Trump was elected president in 2016.

Also on James’ list are Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer and personal lawyer, and Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization.

Defense lawyers in the case submitted their own list of 128 witnesses, which also includes Trump and his two oldest sons.

The two lists were filed Wednesday to Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron.

A day earlier, Engoron ruled that Trump, his sons and the company were liable for fraud in how they valued numerous real estate properties and other assets.

That searing ruling also stripped the defendants and the Trump Organization of their business certificates, and sanctioned multiple defense attorneys for repeatedly making frivolous arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 01:00 PM

Even absent last night at the second GOP staged brawl, Trump was the Elephant in the Room. He's the Man who came to dinner, we can't get rid of him. Chris Christie needs to figure out that less is more. He was on a roll until he added that they'll now call him Donald Duck.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 23 - 01:07 PM

It appears that Trump supporter Mike Lindell is having his own financial problems continue. Now American Express has slashed his credit line.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy better target.

"Steve, we really need everybody's help right now. We have things going on I'm going to let you all know this week," Lindell told fellow Trump ally Steve Bannon on the latter's "War Room" podcast on Monday.

Lindell said on the podcast that a sudden reduction in MyPillow's credit line with American Express was seriously affecting the company. Lindell told Bannon that MyPillow had been using American Express's services for the past 15 years.

"Out of the blue, they took our credit line from a million dollars down to $100,000," Lindell said. "Just cripples MyPillow. No reason, no explanation, just dropped it down last Tuesday."

A spokesperson for American Express told Newsweek in a story published on Tuesday that they weren't able to address Lindell's claims directly.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 23 - 12:07 PM

From CNN:

A New York judge found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, a shocking ruling that poses an existential threat to the former president’s financial empire as he runs for a second term in the White House.

Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling on Monday is a complete rejection of Trump’s arguments that he didn’t inflate the values of his golf courses, hotels, homes at Mar-a-Lago and Seven Springs on financial statements.

“In defendants’ world: rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air; a disclaimer by one party casting responsibility on another party exonerates the other party’s lies,” the judge wrote.

“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” Engoron said.

The ruling came in response to the lawsuit by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is seeking $250 million in damages, a ban on the Trumps from serving as officers of a business in New York and to stop the company from engaging in business transactions for five years.

The rest is here.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 08:42 PM

I just read the New York Times article about it - Ms. James' goal is to stop Trump from operating those businesses and getting loans, etc. And the trial starts next week.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 06:38 PM

Ah, thanks Lighter. I get it now.

And to "dissolve the Trump Organization and to keep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state" - I'd like to see that. Hit them in the hip pocket nerve, where it hurts the most!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 06:00 PM

Helen, there are five more charges outstanding.

Moreover, the jury will also have to determine the amount, if any, of the fine.

Meanwhile, the judge's order to dissolve the Trump Organization and tokeep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state is nothing to be sneezed at.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 05:44 PM

You beat me to it, Lighter. I was just about to add a link to a news article in Oz.

Judge rules former US president Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers as he built his real estate empire

"Former US president Donald Trump and his family business have been found liable for fraud in a New York court

"The civil case was brought Attorney General Letitia James', accusing Mr Trump of illegally inflating his assets and net worth

"Ms James accused him of lying for a decade about asset values and his net worth to get better terms on bank loans and insurance"

One thing I don't understand is what the judge's ruling means if a "trial is scheduled for October 2, and could last well into December".

The judge has made a ruling but there will still be a trial?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 05:18 PM

Just out:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-202326707.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM

The GOP attention has been laser-focused on Hunter Biden, as they try to suggest that someone who never had a job in the Biden administration is the same as Trump (or Trump's son-in-law Kushner, who took billions from the Saudi's the moment Trump was out of the White House). What Menendez has allegedly done is a problem, and you'd think they would grasp that, but he isn't in the Biden family or with the name, so they don't seem to care. And if Menendez did step down, the New Jersey governor could appoint someone to replace him. Since Murphy is Democrat, the balance remains in the Senate.

Cassidy Hutchinson's book comes out Tuesday, and she's on Rachel Maddow's show tonight. What do you want to bet Trump won't resist tweeting or posting to Truth Social when her stories are in print for all to see (or during or after her interview airs).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Sep 23 - 09:10 AM

Meanwhile, here's some context for Trump's actions (from the Washington Post, which I can't access, via RISKS Digest, which I can), which explains the fœtid waters he swims in:

Misinformation research is buckling under GOP legal attacks (WashPost)

Academics, universities and government agencies are overhauling or
ending research programs designed to counter the spread of online
misinformation amid a legal campaign from conservative politicians and
activists who accuse them of colluding with tech companies to censor
right-wing views.

The escalating campaign --- led by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and other
Republicans in Congress and state government --- has cast a pall over
programs that study not just political falsehoods but also the quality
of medical information online.

Facing litigation, Stanford University officials are discussing how
they can continue tracking election-related misinformation through the
Election Integrity Partnership (EIP), a prominent consortium that
flagged social media conspiracies about voting in 2020 and 2022,
several participants told The Washington Post. The coalition of
disinformation researchers may shrink and also may stop communicating
with X and Facebook about their findings.

The National Institutes of Health froze a $150 million program intended
to advance the communication of medical information, citing regulatory
and legal threats. Physicians told The Post that they had planned to
use the grants to fund projects on noncontroversial topics such as
nutritional guidelines and not just politically charged issues such as
vaccinations that have been the focus of the conservative allegations.

NIH officials sent a memo in July to some employees, warning them not
to flag misleading social media posts to tech companies and to limit
their communication with the public to answering medical questions.

Personal opinion: This is the hidden face of Cancel Culture. Welcome to Room 101.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 23 - 10:09 AM

On which front? In the New York fraud case:

Engoron told the courtroom that he intends to issue a single ruling by Tuesday that would decide the three major issues at question, including the government motion for partial summary judgment -- which could allow Engoron to decide a portion of or the entire case without a trial -- and New York Attorney General Letitia James' request to impose legal sanctions on the defendants.

His ruling could define the scope of the $250 million civil trial scheduled to begin in downtown Manhattan on October 2, including if and how the trial proceeds, according to Engoron.

Meanwhile, Jack Smith has brought in a trusted deputy from the Hague to work on the January 6 case.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 23 - 09:57 AM

Whats going on?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Sep 23 - 07:18 PM

It's one thing to make a point on a related topic and move on, it's another to take that subject and drag the entire thread down an unrelated path. Detritus removed.

I scrolled down the US tab in Google News this evening and it wasn't until the 21st grouped box that a Trump story appeared, and this time it's about Cassidy Hutchinson with Trump stories to tell. He's like a toddler who has been quiet for a while - it makes me think he's up to no-good. He's in the news so much, to the point that when he isn't in the news it seems to be when he finds a way to bring attention back to himself, and in his world, any attention is good attention.