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Obit: Bob Copper (1915-2004)

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ADMIRAL BENBOW (2)
BIRDS IN THE SPRING
BOLD GENERAL WOLFE (3)
CHARMING MOLLY
COME ALL YOU BOLD BRITONS
COME WRITE ME DOWN
CUPID'S GARDEN
DAME DURDEN
DRAWING NEARER TO THE MERRY MONTH OF MAY
DRIVE SORROWS AWAY
FOX WENT OUT (Den-O)
GOOD ALE
HARD TIMES OF OLD ENGLAND
HONEST LABOURER
INNOCENT HARE
LARK IN THE MORNING
MONTH OF MAY
OH MY LOVE IS GONE (Sussex)
OLD ADAM
OLD THRESHING SONG
PRETTY BABES IN THE WOOD
ROSE IN JUNE (2)
SHEEP-SHEARING SONG
SHEPHERD OF THE DOWNS
SPENCER THE ROVER
SPRING GLEE
STORMY WINDS
SWEET NANCY
THE BRISK AND LIVELY LAD
THE FORSAKEN MERMAID
THE MOLECATCHER
THE OLD SONGS
THE SEASONS ROUND
THRESHING SONG
TWANKY DILLO
TWO YOUNG BRETHREN
WARLIKE SEAMEN
WHEN JONES'S ALE WAS NEW (3)
WOP-SHE-AD-IT
YOU GENTLEMEN OF HIGH REKNOWN


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Subject: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: vectis
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:51 PM

Bob died this afternoon.
I will miss this lovely old man a great deal.
Nuff said


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: fat B****rd
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:56 PM

Although I'm not a Folk Music fan I thoroughly enjoyed the programme he made with Pete Seeger. It was fascinating listening. May he rest in peace.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Nemesis
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:03 PM

Good Grief .. :( we knew it had to happen sometime, but somehow thought it never would: Bob was an institution and a gent. Sadly missed and a great loss.

Sincere condolences to the family.
Nem
Worthing, Sussex


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Folkiedave
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:08 PM

Sincere condolences to the family. He will be missed.

RIP.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:24 PM

I am so sorry. He was an amazing human being that we will all miss. His work will be cherished for generations to come.

My condolences to his family.   I will honor his memory on my radio program this week.


Ron


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Hawker
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:28 PM

Heavy heart at his loss! May he sing with the angels!
Kindest of thoughts to his closest
Lucy


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:37 PM

I hope that this thread runs and runs.
A huge loss.
RIP Bob, and thanks for everything


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:44 PM

Sorry, Should have put my name
Ralph Jordan


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:44 PM

As important as RVW and Cecil Sharpe in his way, and at least he didn't change the words to suit sensitive ears.
A monumental loss to British traditional music.
John


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Cap n' Ella
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:44 PM

So sorry to hear the very sad news of Bob's death and we send our deepest sympathy to his family.

Tony Petty
& Lesley Massey


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: RichardP
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 03:59 PM

For me, and I suspect many others, it was Bob and his family which transported us from the relative shallowness of the revival to the reality of the thriving tradition.

He will be enormously missed.

Richard


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Kernow John
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:07 PM

Sometimes words are hard to come by.

Thank you for everything Bob

KJ


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: open mike
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:27 PM

WHAT DOES obe MEAN?
I HOPE THE cOPPER
fAMILY MUSIC WILL LIVE ON!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,Albe
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:41 PM

As the head, heart and soul of a great trditional singing family, Bob Copper will be sorely missed. Condolences to all his family, and may they keep on singing and inspiring coming generations. We feel privilged to have heard and met Bob and other family members.

the Larsens


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Susan of DT
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:43 PM

I have loved the Copper Family music since I found it around 1970. Eventually I met Bob when he began to cross the pond - he was a wonderful man. He took such pleasure in seeing people sing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Willie-O
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:47 PM

OBE = Order of the British Empire. An honour which he received only last week!

Hot off the wire on Maplepost:
"Just wanted everyone to know the sad news that Bob Copper passed away
this afternoon, at approx. 4:30 pm GMT. He was surrounded by his
family, and did not suffer.

Bob had just been granted an OBE last Thursday, and had the chance to
hear Prince Charles say "Imagine, a Life Guard who sings folk songs!"
He had had a big celebration yesterday with the family, so enjoyed
himself right through the last of his 89 years.

Phyllis Barney, Executive Director
North American Folk Music and Dance Alliance"

It isn't how long you live, it's what you do with what time you have. Bob Copper obviously had the best of both.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,McGrath of Altcar
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:55 PM

I loved his book, and the tunes in the back with the harmony included were a formative influence.

I did A-level music and the rules of harmony we were taught there were stupid. This little book showed me that you could use parallel thirds and that TE did not necessarily have to rise to DOH.

An OBE is a medal - the Order of the Britsh Empire Mike. - it's a medal given by (?) the Queen for, in Mr. Copper's case, services to folk music. Very well deserved.

He was a true inspiration to me at a formative time.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM

I was honored to have met him twice on trips to the US...he was a delight and a gentleman and has left us so very much in music and history. I think I will go play some of his music tonight in remembrance.....


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: RichardP
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:18 PM

Correction: OBE = Officer of the Order of the British Empire, more prestigious than MBE = Member of the Order ...

Fully deserved.

Richard


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Dead Horse
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:21 PM

A "grand old man" in every sense, and a gentleman, too.
To have heard him talking of the old days is a memory I will cherish.
Condolences to his family.
The Coppers will, no doubt, continue the tradition, but with an empty seat.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:25 PM

I knew that one day I would log on and see these dread words.

Thanks for posting the news Mary, condolences to Bob's family and to everybody in the Sussex folk scene, it is a sad day indeed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Crane Driver
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:40 PM

So many of us came to "real" folk music (whatever that is) through this wonderful man and his family. Our debt to him and them is incalculable. He will never really leave us, as long as the "Old Songs" continue to be sung.

Andrew


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 06:00 PM

I came to the music of the Copper Family a bit late, but I found it much to my liking. I am so sorry to read here of Mr. Copper's passing. Please extend my condolances to all his family.
                Jim Hickam


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: BanjoRay
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 07:51 PM

Bob was the real thing - there aren't many left on either side of the pond - a very sad time.
Ray


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:50 PM

This wasn't supposed to happen. Ever.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:20 PM

Bob and Ron were the best. Condolences to all the family.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Dave Swan
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:42 PM

What bad, bad news. We were lucky enough to open for the Coppers when they played the Freight and Salvage in Berkeley. Bob asked us onstage to sing with the family at the end of the night. It'll never get better than that for me musically.

Beyond his music, he was a sweet, warm, funny man, and one of the finest blues air guitarists ever, but that story is another night and another bottle of beer....

Condolences to John, Jill, Jon and the next generations.

I'll hoist a pint for Bob tonight.

Fear no more the heat of the sun.

D


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:58 PM

I raise a glass here to another hero that I didn't get to meet or sing with, alas. May he find himself singing duets with Rick Fielding in heaven -- and be half--way through the first chorus before the Devil learns he's dead! :>)

Best regards,

A


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Stephen R.
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:25 PM

Memory immortal! The collectors of a century ago were convinced that the tradition was maintained only by illiterate octogenarians; Bob is one of that noble company in whom it has been going strong until our own days. May there be more Coppers singing out in 2104!

Stephen


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST, NOMADman
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:45 PM

Condolences to his family. Bob was a great man whose contributions to the preservation of traditional folk music were immeasurable.

Regards,
John


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 10:58 PM

A lovely man, and he would be missed for that anyway. His work deserves the tag "labour of love" more than anyone else I know - and he will be missed for that also. One consolation is that he was happy and active to the end.

Let the world ring with the songs he brought us tonight and every night for generations.

Rest easy, Bob.

GP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 11:35 PM


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Padre
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:46 AM

Condolences to the Copper family. His legacy will live on.

Padre


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 01:46 AM

Bob's writing and singing sums up for me that elusive quality of "Englishness". I've sat in the Social Club in Peacehaven late at night looking at the family's original songbook lying on the table among pints of beer, and I thought it was considerably more impressive than having the crown jewels spread out in front of you. The Coppers and their songs were the country's real crown jewels. Bob was just great. Read his books and listen to his records and give thanks.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: The Admiral
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:08 AM

Rest in Peace Bob after a long and full life, you'll be long remembered...

Tony and Pearl


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: treewind
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:12 AM

A lovely man who did so much work for English folk song and always had a twinkle in his eye. I've just noticed that today is the anniversary of the Song Links concert at Cecil Sharp House, which was the last time I saw him. I feel privileged to have met the man.

I hope he gets some sort of memorial in the House, next to the one they're now planning for Fred Jordan.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Little Robyn
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:24 AM

A sad loss today but his legacy will go on forever.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:36 AM

Let us hope the songs he preserved for us will live on, that they will inspire a myriad new arrangements, but that the originals will live for ever.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,JOHN FROM ELSIE`S BAND
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:28 AM

On behalf of all the band, I send our condolences to the Copper family on the passing of a universally loved man.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:36 AM

Yeah, though "logic" says it will happen - somehow - we DID think that it never would, eh!!! Wonderful wonderful man.

His books are a GREAT read - and the songs a GREAT sing AND a GREAT listen!!

Many Australians were only introduced to him and The Copper Family tradition, in a delightful interview on ABC radio on Feb 22nd, 2003, with Andrew Ford - hope they replay it now ...

Vale, Bob.

Cheers, R-J


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:37 AM

Damn - that GUEST was me - Rich Joy - lost me cookie ...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:38 AM

One of Natures Gentlemen Bob was NOT just a 'Trad Folkie' but had a
deep respect for ALL forms of good music. The Heavenly Singaround has just been beautifully improved.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:47 AM

Lets not mourn his passing but celebrate his music and his life with a drink and most of all SONGS, he would appreciate that.
My best wishes for his family.
eric


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: snake19
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:55 AM

His songs will live on but its a great lost to the folk world.All the best Bob where ever you are,keep on singing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:56 AM

A sad loss. A man who should be an inspiration to us all.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: red max
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 04:21 AM

I was listening to the Spring disc from the Song for every season box set just last week. Some fantastic chat between the songs, especially when he ponders on singing certain songs at certain times of the year, saying it doesn't really matter "a song only needs one thing, and that's to be sung"


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:02 AM

We are all the poorer for his passing - but thankfully, his benign influence will continue down the generations. He sang

"What's the life of a man, any more than a leaf -
A man has his seasons, so why should we grieve?"

- but we will, none the less.

Wassail and farewell

Mike Sutton


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:10 AM

A man who always had time to stop and chat with everyone no matter how busy he was.

He's been there all the time, since I got involved with the music, and like the true greats of the scene, many of whom have passed on now, he will still "be there" for me for times to come.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: nutty
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:10 AM

So sad to lose a wonderful man who loved the singers and the singing as much as the songs. I was privileged to meet him and be encouraged by him.
May he make the heavens ring.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:13 AM

I suppose we always knew it would have to happen some day, but it still came as a shock and leaves a sort of empty feeling and it's hard to know what to say. I have to admit that I first heard of the Coppers through the singing of The Young Tradition.

I can remember how in the mid 60s, three of us drove down for a weekend's camping in Sussex. Our main reason was to find Bob and his cousin Ron and to ask for the words of a couple of their songs. We went into the "Queen Victoria" Saturday lunchtime and saw Ron who said "You're in Luck, Bob's due to be popping in any time now". They sang us a couple of songs, before they had to go out and Bob told us to come over to Peacehaven club that evening. We had a wonderful evening, with Ron joining Bob later and then Ron suggested that we might manage another session in the Victoria the following lunchtime. Bob had let us copy any of the songs which we wanted out of a copy of "Brasser's" songbook and we went back up to London after a wonderful weekend.

After Ron's death it was a great relief when he carried on singing with the his two children Lohn and Lynne and later on of course with his grandchildren as well.

He will be remembered.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:26 AM

Goodbye, and 'Thank you for the songs' to a wonderful man. He will be missed. Burl


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,Roger Watson
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:28 AM

A huge sadness is bound to accompany the passing of so great a singer, and so great a human being, however long he lived. During my half dozen years living in Sussex, I was proud to count Bob as a friend. My musical memories of him stretch back to 1965. Sincere condolences to John, Lynne and all the family.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Dave Earl
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:42 AM

So very sad to recieve this news.

Bob was an inspiration to us all but the songs will live on.

I don't suppose ther are any singers in this part of the world who do not include some Copper Song in thier repertoire.

Rest in peace dear friend.

Dave Earl


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Hrothgar
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:45 AM

Another who can't really be replaced.

We'll just have to do the best we can with the songs he left.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,lanfranc
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:56 AM

Sad news, but his legacy is with us all and for us all.

Condolences to his family.

Alan


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 06:08 AM

Maybe there should be an OBC - Order of Bob Copper.

Bob Copper and Sydney Carter within a few days...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 06:30 AM


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From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 06:50 AM

Just to clear some confusion above, Bob's children are John and Jill. Lynne was married to John but not now.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Schantieman
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 07:48 AM

Sad news indeed. Of all the obituaries I've read on here in the last year or two (and there have been many, sadly) this is the first that's brought tears to my eyes. Bob was not only a singer, a keeper of the tradition and a thoroughly nice man, but his influence on several generations of folkies is incalculable. I - we all - shall miss seeing him at festivals. I hope he has a good time with Lonnie Donegan, Tony Rose, Sydney Carter and the rest!

Condolences to all the family and all those who knew him. Keep singing!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 09:06 AM

Unfortunately never met the man in person. It is only on the last few years I began to realize how many Copper songs we do, that have been picked up from many other diverse sources.
Shepherds Arise, JohnB


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 09:33 AM

After Morris practice last night we sang as many "Copper" songs as we could. I reckon Bob might have been listening. I do hope so.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 09:48 AM

"I hope he has a good time with Lonnie Donegan, Tony Rose, Sydney Carter and the rest!"

My guess is that he sought out Peter Bellamy. Of so many abiding memories, that's the one for me, Bob and Peter singing the blues together. Great mates and artists. If I get to the same place, that's the gig I'll queue for.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: LesB
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 12:55 PM

I remember, in the early seventies after I had read "The Book", going on a pilgrimage to Rottingdean whilst visiting my Gran in London. I just felt It was something I had to do. I shall go again next time I'm in the South.
The best way to remember him is to sing the songs!

Les


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Schantieman
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 01:06 PM

I shan't be there on Sunday, Les - sing a couple for me!

Steve


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: breezy
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:28 PM

I know that I was influenced very much by Bob Copper and his family songs.
What joy has been left, will gladden sad hearts.
Thanks for the legacy.
My condolences to those who were closest

John


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 02:46 PM

I would also like to say what a delightfully gallant gentleman he was. I still remember him kissing the hands of all the ladies after the Sidmouth Song Links concert. His singing of "The Bonny Bunch of Roses O" will stay in my memory as the standard to be aimed for by any traditional singer.
My sincere condolences to Bob's family.
Mary Humphreys


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Ranks
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 04:19 PM

That is sad news. I just had a few good drops on Bob and sang my way through a "song for every season". I bought my first Copper-record (Bob and Ron) when I was sixteen. On my first trip to England in 1982 I visited their Club but did not meet Bob. I bought the book from John and when he sent me the other two, John sent me a tape with Bob accompanying himself on Concertina. It was recorded in his garden and one sometimes can hear a bird sing. This is still my favourite tape in my collection. I met Bob a couple of years later, when I was there with a TV-team. He was such a great man. I will forever remember that morning when the family sang for us. It was so emotional for me, that the occasional tear came running down my cheeks.
A day after that I had to give a copy of that Video to Peter Bellamy, who was a friend of mine since I met him in the Copper`s Club. So I would agree: If there is a place like heaven, the two will already have shared a lot of songs til now.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Kim C
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 05:27 PM

I have a letter from Bob Copper that he wrote me in response to a question I had asked him. He said he was glad that there were young people still interested in the old songs.

Thanks for everything, Bob.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 07:58 PM

"So-long" for awhile, Bob. Remembering with delight, our last time singing together.   Jean


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Flash Company
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 04:35 AM

There are times when words are totally inadequate, this is one of them.
Condolences to all the Copper family and Bob's many friends in and out of the folk scene.

FC


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,Jean
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 07:41 AM

The last time I saw Bob was at his 89th birthday party in Lewes and he was in fine form. There was a BBC 4 film crew at the party making a documentary about the Copper family that I believe is to be shown in the autumn.

My condolences to all the family. They can be proud of his wonderful lecacy.

RIP Bob.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Dave Masterson
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 09:58 AM

Sad news indeed. The crazy thing is that during all the years I've been into folk, I never got to see Bob sing. I saw many of the other 'greats' - Walter Pardon, Johnny Doughty, Bob Roberts, Bob Cann, Fred Jordan etc. but Bob, no.
My sincere wish is that one day beyond time we will meet and I'll get to hear him sing. My condolences to the family.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,Rebecca Fox
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:03 AM

Had the pleasure of seeing Bob Copper perform on two occasions at Sidmouth. Both times he stole the show. Enough said. RIP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,Mingulay
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:03 AM

Sad news indeed. Just switched on the machine after a couple of days
off and find it hard to believe. Ironic too that it is just a week
before Easter

.....dig me a grave so long wide and deep and strew it all over
with roses so sweet, that I might lie down there and take a long
sleep....

never to be forgetten.

Pete


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,David
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 03:52 PM

I just heard the sad news on Radio 2. I would like to send my sympathy and condolences to Bob's family and friends and say that this is a sad loss to folk music and to the whole country (I'm in England). Bob has left us a unique and priceless legacy.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper MBE
From: GUEST,Chris Smith
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 04:53 PM

The Copper Family songs that Bob kept alive and allowed to flourish.

The songs and tunes that might have been lost had Bob not had the foresight to collect and record them.

In his books, the wonderful words and anecdotes which brought alive the farming and country life of Bob's youth, and of centuries past.

Bob's skilful drawings and paintings and illustrations.

And memories of the man himself, a natural raconteur, always warm, and patient, and helpful - someone who made everyone he met feel better through having met him.

All these will live on.

All the Best to John, and Jill and Jon, and the family.

Chris


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper MBE
From: GUEST,Chris Smith
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 05:20 PM

The current homepage from the Royal Oak Folk Club, Lewes, East Sussex, paying tribute to Bob:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tinvic/#top


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 05:59 PM

I know I am very lucky to have caught 3 of Bob and family's visits to the States: a week at CDSS's Pinewoods Folk Music Week, the Folk Alliance in Albuquerque, and the Summer Solstice Festival in California.

What a wonderful, wonderful man, a joy to meet and to listen to.

A great loss, but a wonderful legacy from all he's done.

All my sympathies to his family.

~ Becky Nankivell
in Tucson, Arizona


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper OBE
From: GUEST,robbielong
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 06:03 PM

farewell to the true gentleman of folk
wish id been a grandson


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 02:15 AM

Bob's death coincided with that of Peter Ustinov and, the following day, with Alistair Cooke, so he has missed out on obits in the press I think. Have any been published?

The family members that came to prominance during the fifties are re-united. Expect some great harmonies from thse heavenly choirs.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,NSC George Henderson
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 05:28 AM

I was at a sing around in Castleconnell (Limerick) on Tuesday (30th) and sang two Copper songs. Hadn't sung them for years. Just makes me wonder.

Celebrate his life by singing his songs and keep them alive. He was a great custodian of the tradition along with the rest of his family and friends of course.

Very sorry to hear of his passing though. Condolences to his family. R.I.P.

George Henderson


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:13 AM

No obit in the Telegraph yet, but after the Dave Swarbrick episode you can't blame them for waiting a few days.

I will really miss Bob Copper. Once you lose something as special as this, you can't get it back.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Ian Lambert
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 01:05 PM

Great sadness.

RIP and eternal thanks Deepest sympathy to family and friends.

" So I'll go down to some lonesome valley"

Ian lambert


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Date: 01 Apr 04 - 03:01 PM


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Riggy @ Work
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 03:08 PM

Our local paper on America's Left Coast honors Bob :

SF Chronicle

We were most delighted to have the Copper Family perform here several times over the last 5 years.
I felt like a stay-at-home pilgrim having Mecca delivered to his doorstep.

Thank you, Bob, for enriching my life & repertoire.
Riggy Rackin


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: vectis
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 04:14 PM

I will print out all your kind condolences and pass them on to the family when I send the card from my club.
There is a memorial service for him on Saturday April 17th at 11:30am in his home village of Rottingdean.
Mary


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: RichardP
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 06:27 PM

Bob had the main obituary in the Times of 1st April - 5 columns in the compact edition.

It was very well researched and accurately portrayed Bob's outstanding role in this country's cultural history.

Richard


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Chris Smith
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:55 PM

Obituaries:

The Times (UK Newspaper) 1st April 2004
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-1058200,00.html

The Independent (UK Newspaper) 1st April 2004
http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/story.jsp?story=507088

Also, to clarify some of the messages above, the national award, or honour, that Bob received at Buckingham Palace last week, from Prince Charles, was called an M.B.E., or Member of the British Empire.

This is not to be confused with an O.B.E., or Officer of the British Empire, although both are different levels of award within the overall 'Order of the British Empire'. Naturally these awards have their origins in history, dating from a time when we still had an empire... Anyone interested can read more about it here:
http://www.cabinet-office.gov.uk/ceremonial/index/history.htm

At the Royal Oak Folk Club in Lewes this evening a few informal words
in tribute to Bob were spoken by Vic Smith (the organiser), by Martin Carthy (the evening's guest performer), and by various members of the audience, including Shirley Collins. He will be missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Michael Shade
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 09:03 PM

You may like to see some photos from Bob's 89th birthday evening at the Royal Oak, Lewes, on 4 Jan.

So sad,

Michael


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 12:38 AM

This morning on "Morning Edition," National Public Radio had a very brief note of his passing.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,alex hallawell
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:01 AM

I was so saddened to hear last night of Bob's death. He will be sorely missed by many, and I for one regret very much never having had the chance to meet him. English music has lost something irreplaceable, but at least he lived to receive his OBE, a long overdue recognition of his life and work. Condolences to all his family. May he rest in peace.
"He's as happy as those that's got thousands of riches
Contented he'll stay and go rambling no more."


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Alasdair R
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:02 AM

Rest in peace.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:16 AM

MBE.
eric


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Chris Smith
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 06:19 AM

A link to the Copper Family website, which carries a message from the family, and details of the memorial service:

The Copper Family


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Rottingdean Resident
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 07:10 AM

Dear Bob and family

I regret I never met you, but your dear friend Cuth, who died recently, was speaking of you to me in the week he passed away.
It is clear to me your life's work was invaluable to us all and it is also clear that you and Cuth were great friends, now re-united.

I listened to your song at Cuth's funeral and enjoyed it very much. I trust I can find a recording somewhere to help remember you both by.

May God Bless you

Bob


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From: Garry Gillard
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 09:05 AM


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: Compton
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 01:02 PM

What a bugger!!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: Carly
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:16 PM

What sad news!

Bob Copper's songs and writings had a profound effect on my life, many years before I met him in person. I was fortunate enough to eventually have been able to spend time with him (and later with other members of his family, as well,) through the Folk Alliance, Pinewoods Camp Folk Music Week (CDSS) and during concert tours.
I treasure those experiences.

In fact, one of the high points of my musical life came while sitting in the audience of the Copper's first concert of their first tour of the U.S. (That is, with John and Jill and Jon - Bob and Ron had been here decades before.) They began their first song, everyone in the room sang back, and they fell off their chairs in amazement and delight. After the second or third song it became clear to them that we knew and appreciated their repertoire and were thrilled to have them there. I don't think that they understood until that moment how Bob's work in preserving both music and culture had had a huge impact on our side of the pond. By then, many of us were reduced to tears and laughter at their obvious excitement; the rest of that concert was an incredible celebration of the power and joy of singing.

Thank you, Bob Copper, for sharing your passions with us, and for the many gifts you have left us. Thank you for your kindness, and your humor, and your great charm.

My deepest sympathies to John and Jill and Jon, and the rest of the family. I hope that it is a comfort to you to know how many people hold Bob in their hearts.

Carly Gewirz


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 03:24 AM

here is 'The Guardian' obit., taken from this link

Sussex's master folksinger

Michael Grosvenor Myer
Saturday April 3, 2004
The Guardian

Bob Copper, who has died aged 89, was a leading member of the famous singing Copper family of Rottingdean, East Sussex, and an important collector of English folksongs. His earliest musical memories were of sitting around the fire singing with his father, Jim, and his grandfather James Copper, who was born in 1845. Indeed, a paper on the songs of James Copper and Thomas Copper, Bob's great-uncle, was presented at the inaugural meeting of the English Folk Song Society in 1899, while some of their songs were printed in the first number of the society's journal.
The Copper family have lived in Rottingdean, where Bob was born in a farm cottage, since the 16th century - Kipling mentions them in Rewards And Fairies. The family were not gentry (Bob's father would tell of having been caned at school for forgetting to raise his cap to the parson), but were always respected members of the community, working as farm bailiffs, publicans, policemen and and even, occasionally, as soldiers.

Bob's father was the bailiff of a large estate, and as a boy Bob helped with farm chores, such as bird-scaring. He left school at 15, went to work in the village barber's shop and then became a soldier, briefly serving in the Life Guards before joining the West Sussex constabulary. (But, as his son John once told me, he gave that up because he was getting too much chaff from his friends about being PC Copper.)

Until the folksong revival of the 50s brought the family fame and recognition, Bob and his cousin Ron, who died in 1978, kept alive the family songs. Grandfather James had written down a few for the daughters of his employer, a local farmer - one, for instance, he entitled Hears A Dew Sweet Loveley Nancy. In 1936, his son Jim, Bob's father, collected nearly 50 of his songs into a book which the family still carry with them to all their gigs. It was dedicated to Bob.

All these songs had been learned orally, at father's or grandfather's knee as he repaired shoes or mended sacks, or within the family circle. In their youth, Bob and Ron would often treat the tradition with a certain levity. "While one of the old boys would be singing 'Oh, the mistletoe bough, Oh the mistletoe bough'," Bob confided to me once, "Ron and I would be sat in the corner mouthing 'Oh, the miserable row, Oh the miserable row'!" But Bob had always, in fact, loved the family's tradition, to which he paid tribute in a poem he wrote in 1947 called The Old Songs (this was set to music and sung by Peter Bellamy shortly before his early death).

Then in 1949, Bob's father told him that he had been listening to a BBC Home Service programme called Country Magazine in which someone had sung one of "our" songs, "only he got the words wrong". Bob wrote to the presenter Francis Collinson, who hastened down to Rottingdean, where he recorded several songs from Jim, Bob and Ron at the Central Club in Peacehaven, a social centre run by Bob and his wife Joan, whom he had married in 1941.

This encounter triggered a relationship with the BBC, for Bob who himself became a wandering collector and recorder of songs around Sussex and beyond. Bob also featured in a Sunday morning radio programme, As I Roved Out, which was broad cast from the Central Club in 1953 and 1954. A collection of his recordings later became a book, Songs And Southern Breezes, published in 1973, with a foreword by John Arlott.

By the time of Ron's death, Bob's son John was waiting to take his place to provide the harmonies that make the Copper family singing so distinctive. Later, the line-up expanded to include John's wife Lynn, his sister, Jill Copper, and her husband John Dudley. Even more recently, John's and Jill's children have joined in too. Bob, his son and daughter and their spouses and children can all be heard, for instance, on the English Folk Dance and Song Society's recording Coppersongs (1987), singing Thousands Or More.

Towards the end of his life, Bob frequently expressed the greatest satisfaction that the family's fine tradition was safe for at least the next two generations.

Shortly after his 87th birthday, Bob went to New York to meet the American folksinger Pete Seeger, five years his junior, whose work he had long admired. A programme featuring their conversation, songs and views on their family traditions and on folksong in general was broadcast on Radio 4 in January 2002.

Bob Copper's contribution to folksinging was recognised by the English Folk Dance and Song Society in 1978, when he was awarded its Gold Badge; he received an honorary degree from Sussex University in 2000. Four days before his death he was invested with an MBE.

He is survived by his two children and six grandchildren. His wife died in 1983.

· Robert (Bob) James Copper, folksinger, born January 6 1915; died March 29 2004


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST, Chris Smith
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM

Vic Smith, from the Royal Oak Folk Club in Lewes, has written an obituary for our local 'Sussex Express' newspaper:

Bob Copper (6th January 1915 - 29th March 2004)

            With the death of Robert James Copper, English traditional song has lost its inspirational doyen. On 25th March, Bob went with son, John, daughter Jill and son-in-law Jon Dudley to Buckingham Palace to be invested with his richly deserved M.B.E. For all four, the rich experience was hugely enjoyable. Three days later the four of them came to Lewes for a celebratory lunch; another great occasion and one that was full of laughter. In the afternoon, Bob became unwell and was taken to hospital where he died the following afternoon with his close family around him.

            Bob will be mainly remembered as the superb interpreter of his family's fine heritage of traditional songs that can be traced back through the generations to the eighteenth century, but he was also very successful as writer, poet, painter, illustrator and song collector. Despite the modesty that pervaded every conversation with him, he showed rare personal qualities that enabled him to motivate and encourage all the many people who came to talk with him. He, himself, was profoundly pleased to see that he had ensured continuity in the family's cultural legacy by seeing his children and Jon and six grandchildren carrying on singing the songs.

            In his later years, Bob and the Coppers had enjoyed widespread recognition for their unique family harmony singing and they had travelled far and wide to sing them including a number of trips to the USA. Bob has received, in recent years, an honorary degree from the University of Sussex, a Gold Badge from the English Folk Dance and Song Society and the Good Tradition Award, a lifetime achievement award from the BBC; all testimony to his predominant and outstanding contribution to the furtherance of English folk song.

            "We will never see his like again" is a phrase that has become clichéd, but in this case it is true. Bob has been that important link in the continuity of the songs from the days of a relatively healthy state around the First World War, through the difficult years of the 1930's when he and cousin Ron seemed to be part of a tiny minority to maintain enthusiasm for the songs, through to a time when there has been a revival of interest and a long overdue recognition of the part his family has played. National newspapers and TV and radio stations on three continents have carried tributes to the man.

            Many friends and fans as well as his supportive family have been left feeling bereft and Sussex has lost one of its greatest sons.

VIC SMITH


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,flyingcat
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 08:40 AM

There's not much left to be said. Like everyone else, the Copper family's love and enthusiasm for singing have had a great influence on me since I was introduced to them in the late 60's. Bob was a wonderfuly kind and generous man and I count myself honoured to have met and spoken to him. He was one of my heroes.
My best thoughts to the family.
Moira Craig


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: Flash Company
Date: 17 Apr 04 - 11:23 AM

I see Bob's obit finally appeared in the Daily Telegraph today!
The saying about being in heaven a week before the devil knows you're dead sprang to mind

FC


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Chris Smith
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 04:01 PM

And here is a link to Bob's Obit in the Telegraph, which appeared yesterday, Saturday 17/4/04, the day of Bob's Memorial Service in Rottingdean:

Daily Telegraph Obituary


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Subject: RE: Obit: Bob Copper
From: GUEST,Chris Smith
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 09:45 AM

Tim Kent of Hat Music took many photographs of Bob's memorial day in Rottingdean, last Saturday, which can be found here:

Tim Kent's Photographs
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