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From: Helen
Date: 05 Jul 23 - 05:04 AM

I just watched an Oz TV show called Four Corners about Putin and a key aspect was the way he has related to five US presidents: Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden.

One of the comments was that Putin played Trump like a violin.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 23 - 12:51 PM

Trump has a fondness for dictators, and they take full advantage of that weakness.

Meanwhile, a Trump acolyte "addled by conspiracy theories" and who was already wanted for breaching the Capitol on Jan. 6 has been busy in Obama's neighborhood. Why?

A man arrested last week for breaching the Capitol on Jan. 6 drove a van full of weapons to Barack Obama’s neighborhood before his June 30 arrest, appearing to target the former president’s home after a Truth Social post from Donald Trump that identified the Obama family’s Kalorama address, prosecutors say.

Trump hates Obama even more than Biden, and literally painted a target on his back. Another charge to lay at Trump's door.

Taylor Taranto’s June 29 arrest — after a foot pursuit near Rock Creek Parkway — capped a week-long period in which his erratic and menacing behavior escalated the urgency from law enforcement to find him. It was only after he entered Obama’s Secret Service-protected neighborhood that officials were able to track his movements closely. Taranto, speaking on a livestream, discussed finding an entrance to the Obamas’ home via the sewers.

And damn. This loon is from the State of Washington.

Anyway, pull up that Politico story - it's a fascinating read.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 05 Jul 23 - 03:55 PM

I doubt whether this show can be viewed online outside of Australia.

Four Corners: Series 2023 Putin and the Presidents

The comment about Putin playing Trump like a violin was made by Eugene Robinson, from The Washington Post.

After a meeting between Putin and Trump in front of the media the cameras were sent away, and they met privately for two hours, with no aides present.

Robinson says, "Putin didn't need the KGB psychological profilers to hand him a dossier on how to play Donald Trump. He was able to read Trump. He had a very good understanding of how to flatter him. He knew how to play Trump like a violin."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 23 - 04:18 PM

Robinson is a frequent guest on MSNBC so I've heard many similar remarks if not that one. (He also has some great stuff hanging on the wall behind him when he is interviewed over Zoom - I've done a few screenshots to grab photos of one innovative quilt design in particular.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 05 Jul 23 - 04:51 PM

SRS, I didn't notice what was on the wall. I'll go back and have another look.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jul 23 - 11:44 AM

I did a little searching - the account on Twitter is @RateMySkypeRoom and adding that to his name gets results. Apparently I wasn't the only one looking at the wall behind him! Now that I look at it, the thing on the wall that caught my eye is a painting. The person with the quilt is member of Congress Katie Porter. This piece in particular and the text says it is probably by "no doubt by @katieporteroc’s mom legendary quilt maker Liz Porter." They gave her only a 9/10, but that piece earns a 10 all by itself.

Now back to that trashy man in Florida. His henchman Nauta is in court this morning and his trial starts mid-August.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 06 Jul 23 - 03:49 PM

SRS, I looked again at Eugene Robinson's surroundings but it was a fuzzy room background, so that makes sense. I was at an interesting antiques place and at first glance I thought there was a quilt with coloured squares hanging up but on closer inspection I realised it was a Middle Eastern rug.

Yes, back to the topic.

There was an odd news article yesterday:

Home Affairs Minister Clare O'Neil calls Donald Trump Jr a 'big baby' over cancelled Australian speaking tour

"The younger Trump, who had been booked on a three-day tour that was scheduled to begin in Sydney on Sunday, cancelled the trip on Wednesday, with organisers suggesting the reason was visa issues.

" 'It seems America isn't the only country that makes it difficult for the Trumps,' said Turning Point Australia, a group that describes itself as a non-profit in favour of free markets and limited government, in a Facebook post."

I have never heard of Turning Point Australia, but if they think a Trump-related speaking tour is a good idea, I'm not interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 07:15 AM

Legally Trump gets away with publishing the address of his enemies in hopes a murderous follower will carry out a heinous act.
We all know his intent and purpose but we can't prove a conspiracy to murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 11:02 AM

Conspiracy? probably not: that requires a two-way conversation. Incitement? now we're talking.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 11:27 AM

It's all part of the toxic mix that is Donald's way of dealing with the world. He behaves badly then defends himself on radio call in shows or FAUX News interviews. The days of that working have come to an end, too many people are pulling on strands of the net that he is trapped in.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 02:03 PM

I do hope so, Stilly. I really do. From over here it looks like the orange one is well set to run your country again :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 03:19 PM

Only if you think Boris will ever get to 10 Downing St. again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 04:11 PM

Believe it or not, Stilly, that is a worry. There are still vast numbers of people inexplicably under his spell!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 04:15 PM

Just realised Agent Orange isn't his title: it's what he uses as spray-on Democrat repellent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 23 - 04:21 PM

He's likely to get the Rep. nomination sure, but that's his last win.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:47 AM

Be thankful a Presidential campaign does not include a swimsuit competition. The pallid pasty folds of his fat are the stuff of night terrors.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:53 AM

Well I suppose that Biden in a swimsuit wouldn't exactly be an oil painting. Just stick to what's in their heads.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 08:06 AM

Oil paintings of plucked chickens are rare but not hideous.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 08:40 AM

> Be thankful a Presidential campaign does not include a swimsuit
> competition.

Herself's comment: "That would be cruel and unusual punishment, which is against the law." I decline to comment further, as we've just had lunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 11:56 AM

Yet that is the kind of scrutiny Hillary was subjected to - endless discussion of her pantsuits, when not a soul mentioned anything about Trump's suits.

Let's just hope that Trump's own horrible diet takes him out of the running sometime soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 04:10 PM

Yes - in this instance - praise God for the high fat, high carb, minimal veg diet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 06:38 PM

Elvis had a terrible diet but I revere him. Focus on what's in Trump's head, along with Joe Biden.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:05 PM

What's in Trump's head is high fat, high carb and minimal veg.

Hoist by his own petard, in whatever way brings the desired result!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:21 PM

Living in hope about Trump's future death/ill-health is puerile, not to say unseemly. It isn't how decent human beings should be wishing about people and it's a distraction from the serious issue of how he needs to be defeated AT THE POLLS (as it now seems that there will be no other way of seeing him off, due to the utter paralysis of the US justice system). You have about eighteen months, and he's extremely unlikely to die in that time, no matter what shit you think he enjoys eating. This kind of banter is childish and irrelevant. He neither smokes nor drinks, by the way, so that's a couple of other avenues of hope closed down to you. Either you stop him from standing, or you beat him in the polls, or you put up with four more years of him. Those are your only options, and his big fat belly and allegedly trashy diet simply don't enter into it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:28 PM

Not being either young or male makes it impossible for me to be puerile.

And here in Oz we only get the fall-out from his Trumpty-Dumpty games, so we can only watch and pray that he gets taken down, one way or another.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:40 PM

Puerile is a state of mind irrespective of age. From Merriam-Webster-Webster:

"Nowadays, puerile can describe the acts or utterances of an actual child, but it more often refers (usually with marked disapproval) to occurrences of childishness where adult maturity would be expected or preferred."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 07:42 PM

Gosh, dunno who the second Webster was. Anyhow, get thee to a dictionary. Puerile often refers neither to age nor to gender. Don't trust me, just look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jul 23 - 10:09 PM

You can put whatever spin you want on it, but we don't need to be insulted because we wish Trump to shuffle off this mortal coil, in whatever method he selects for himself. If he has a debilitating stroke but doesn't die that would be ok also. You didn't have to live with four years of that fool as commander in chief of your country. His greed was such a driving factor in every choice he made that he literally tossed the rule of law and all women, minorities, and immigrants under the bus. I despise the man, and don't have altruistic wishes for his departure. I hope it hurts. He's really that awful.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 02:51 AM

We had Johnson. The Russians have Putin. Trump is somewhere in the middle. We need to be rid of all such but wishing harm on them is not the way to do it. It is what they would do.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 04:44 AM

Trump is mortal, and will die, sooner or later; wishing it "sooner" is the politics of despair. He needs to be soundly thrashed *at the ballot box*, for the sake of the Republican party's long-term prospects, and to cleanse the entire US body politic.

For the record, I've come to think of him as Nixon lite.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 06:10 AM

Expressing aloud the hope that someone will die because you hate him is just wrong. Upbraiding someone for childishly expressing that hope is perfectly valid. It deserves a scolding and is no insult. By the way, the US is no island unto itself. We all know that decent Americans have had it bad, no denying. But Trump's baleful influence has spread like a disease across the planet, encouraging the likes of Johnson and Putin and promoting the cult of lies and populism. God knows what will happen to Ukraine if he gets back into power. Trump has, or will have, victims well beyond your shores. I'd also like to remind you that the unexpected demise of Trump would merely spawn the promotion of someone else who could be even worse, and there'd very likely be a surge of sympathy. You have plenty of charlatans over there who would fit the bill. DeSantis, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 06:27 AM

No one expressed hate.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 06:41 AM

I'm afraid people like Trump can bring out the worst in us. I do think he is an unpleasant character and unfit for office but I do not believe in wishing ill on others or celebrating another persons demise. It's something I will admit I have to pull myself up on at times, ie. have the bad thought and then tell myself that I should not be thinking that way.

I don't know what the answer to Trump is. I can wish that more people would see him the way I do but Trump seems to have the ability to retain support and I fear has the ability to bounce back from situations where one might think he should be finished politically.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 07:31 AM

"No one expressed hate."

"I despise the man, and don't have altruistic wishes for his departure. I hope it hurts."

OK, let's talk synonyms. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 07:41 AM

Absolutely agree, Jon. It's human to have very negative thoughts of the kind expressed here and then try quietly to row back on oneself. To express those wishes aloud is not appropriate. What we need is for Trump to be completely out of the way politically forever and to face justice as appropriate. Other notions reek of vengeance and are a waste of energy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 08:57 AM

Sorry guys, there are few people who have earned such animus, but Trump is one of them. With his personal greed a single four-year term has come perilously close to turning our Democracy into an Autocracy; out of nearly 250 years this enterprise can barely survive four of Trump. He will die as a result of his own choices and that is as far as it goes - there is no prescription for anyone else hastening the event, a distinction I make. Now you can stop preaching to me about what I feel and how I should think and move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 09:15 AM

There is no preaching. One or two people are expressing a difference in perspective. We can all agree about how horrible the man is. One more thing: should he die quickly, he will escape a good deal of the scrutiny that your justice system should otherwise be subjecting him to. If ever a man should live to feel the full force of justice, it's him. If your country can't manage that, you seriously need to ask why not. I've been scratching my head here for a couple of years about that. After what happened at the Capitol two and a half whole years ago, it's scarcely credible that he's potentially in line for the presidency again. And just think about the dreadful people in history who have cheated their victims by dying.

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From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 09:50 AM

The inevitability of death is part of life and should carry no knee-jerk stigma. Afterall whenever someone brings up Biden's age they are really talking about death. For someone 4 years his junior the reaper is close behind. No number of autopsies will satisfy the Trump supporter. The rest of us understand the facts of life.
Describing facts to a Trumper is like asking Steve to not be negative.
They just double down.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 10:10 AM

Typically idiotic, of course. However. The thing about Biden is that he is old and looks old. Positively rickety. Trump, in spite of his ugly persona, looks far more lively. That does not bode well for a Biden victory.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 10:49 AM

What Trump looks is a vain man who is covered with orange spray-on foundation makeup, dyed hair, probably hair plugs or extensions, lots of hairspray to carefully hold the hair to hide his bald spot, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wears Spandex to try to contain the gut. He golfs, and drives between the holes.

Biden rides his stationary bike daily and rides real bikes when he gets a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 11:51 AM

Yebbut the stubborn fact is that Trump still commands the support of 70+ million emptyheads. Don't get me wrong here: I like Biden. But his legs look bandy, his speech is hesitant and he falls over. All very exploitable by a nasty adversary. You should be worrying. I am.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 01:08 PM

You've been listening to the wrong news programs, the ones that try to intentionally make Biden look feeble. That is a popular thing over here, the selective editing, the looping of small moves. That is Rupert Murdoch's touch on display.

MEANWHILE, Joe Manchin, the man who dragged so many Democratic plans to a halt when Biden had the House and the Senate, is considering a third party run for the presidency. Because of course he could again be a spoiler. (Manchin and Sinema between them did so much damage while trying to protect their billionaire donors - Sinema became an Independent so she won't be knocked out of the next race in the primary.)

Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid hits the Hill
Officials from progressive MoveOn and centrist Third Way are planning to brief Senate Democratic chiefs of staff about the risk it could pose to President Joe Biden.

Manchin couldn't care less about the disaster of Trump in office again, apparently. The role of Spoiler is a particularly self-serving one. Ralph Nader did it to Al Gore in the Bush V. Gore election. "No Labels" is an organization that purports to run the best candidate for the position without the stigma of party, but the fact that there are anonymous huge donors behind the new group rings about as true as the Federalist Society putting forward candidates for the Supreme Court simply because they would be good at their jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 01:35 PM

I've just listened to Open Book on BBC Radio 4, which featured the American writer Richard Ford. He described Trump as a madman, and a bad madman, and as an aberration as a leader - but not an aberration as an American citizen, as demonstrated by his huge support base. His followers would like to tear down your government institutions, to replace them with "they know not what" (not quite verbatim quotes there, but as near as I recall). And that's the issue. He's a fairly "typical" American citizen, he identifies so well with the millions as such, which is why he's still so bloody popular. And that's your problem. He's so well embedded. And that's what you have to confront. We've extirpated Johnson, but eroding his lingering popular base is not so easy. We have a long way to go with him, and you have even further to go with Trump. At least we can say with reasonable confidence that Johnson will not be our next leader.

As for the wrong news programmes, etc., I never access any media owned by Murdoch and I do not read the Daily Mail or any of the other gutter tabloids. Over the years here on Mudcat I've said several times that I access as many sources as possible from the ones I regard as reputable (nothing's and no-one's perfect) and I've railed many times against selective reporting, even by the Guardian and the BBC. My antennae are permanently a-twitch in order that I resist confirmation bias as much as possible. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 05:01 PM

Hoist by his own petard is still the best solution, I think.

As Donuel said, "no number of autopsies will satisfy the Trump supporter", so a self-inflicted health issue which creates a situation where Trump can no longer run for office would solve the problem. Anything which stops him from talking or communicating would be fantastic, in my opinion. A primary criterion for a President is that s/he needs to have an active brain and the capacity to communicate.

Unfortunately, I think there are plenty of people waiting in the wings to take up the mantle if Trump is incapacitated, and I also think that the extreme views would only get more extreme, especially when rival factions break off and start new campaigns.

I wonder what William Shakespeare would have created from all of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 05:29 PM

He'd have started by getting cross with you for misquoting his saying. It's "hoist WITH his own petard." Of course, down the centuries the degraded "by" version has been assimilated into standard English, but I still think he'd be annoyed, being the perfectionist he was. One other thing: if we wish to emasculate Trump once and for all, and who doesn't, we either do it via the justice system or via the ballot box. Wishing ill-health on him is just pie in the sky, and not very grown-up to boot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 05:35 PM

Whatevs!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 03:34 AM

The expression "sucks all the oxygen out of the room" has gained currency for us right-pondians. The entire body politic has gone anoxic for you as for us, and stinks like an old-fashioned gas works. Socrates was right.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 04:08 AM

For the record I vehemently do not wish the tRump to die- that would be the perfect formula for his deification for years to come, not to mention accusations of murder. What I do want is for him to be humiliated, to find himself so far down the polls that he becomes a laughing stock so clearly that not even he can ignore or deny it.

By the way, Stilly River, one of my pet peeves is the misuse of 'literally'. :^)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 06:21 AM

We've lost that fight, Ebbie. The loose adoption of "literally" is now so widespread that it's literally become standard English. I absolutely agree with your sentiment regarding Trump, and there's the matter of his needing to face justice. I wonder whether your legal system is up to the job.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 06:37 AM

We are in a time when the leading cause of death of American children is guns.
In ancient Rome when the leading cause of death for their children was the sword, the barbarians had breached the gates and the empire of Rome had fallen.
OMG I'm sounding like Senator Byrd