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From: Lighter
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 05:24 PM

You don't get indicted for this stuff, but if you're running for president, probably you should:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shows-love-hannibal-lecter-042941582.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 06:27 PM

When I heard his promise that "It will be wild!" I bet my wife 2 to 1 that's exactly what they would do.

Unfortunately I was correct.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 03:30 PM

The Trump campaign doesn't deny it, just says he did nothing wrong (because of "context") and always insists on (wait for it)...

"Truth and transparency."

Yesterday Trump retweeted a post claiming that the judge in his fraud case was swigging gin from a bottle during the trial.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 11:16 AM

If enough first-hand witnesses say "He said," then he said.

Glimmer of hope: Nothing Trump tells anyone can be believed. Whatever he revealed was probably garbled and exaggerated.

But investigation is clearly needed.

What else has he divulged? And to whom? And did he hand out any documents?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 10:28 AM

Trump now says he wants Jordan.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 07:54 AM

Under a Republican Party rule adopted in 2005, Trump is not eligible to be speaker:

"Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted (a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed."

But let's see if they change the rule....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 08:09 AM

We'd best keep our facts straight.

There have been a very few murder attempts by MAGA fanatics, but none was at Trump's suggestion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 07:57 PM

It's this bad:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clarion-call-arms-experts-why-094501341.html

Sorry to say I know somebody like this. Highly educated too and otherwise a very decent human being.

It defies easy understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:58 PM

I've heard Trump compared to Jesus by his apostles (Trump's apostles) several times.

Now check out Trump's latest post:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shares-surreal-courtroom-sketch-094724195.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

The polls I pay attention to are those cited by the major news outlets. They identify all those variables, including the question, the polling organization, and the margin of error.

Professional pollsters take a stratified random sample of about 1,200 people. And, yes, that's enough to give a good ballpark estimate. The key is that the sample population be representative of the whole: random (everybody has an equal chance of being polled) and stratified (every subgroup of the population is covered). If properly conducted, the margin of error is about +/-3% 95% of the time.

Consider that polling in 2016 indicated Clinton would probably be elected. In fact, she did win the popular vote, which is what most of the polls were measuring.

As for the electoral vote, polling showed both candidates within the margin of error, i.e., the election could go either way. As it turned out, Trump won more than Clinton because of the geographical distribution of the votes.

Possibly the biggest caveat about polls nowadays is that people are now more likely to give false answers because they think the polls are rigged by the Fake News and the Deep State. Another is that caller ID keeps many people from answering the phone.

There are statistical methods that can minimize such bias in the sample.

A well conducted poll isn't infallible, but it's far from meaningless.
Even in 1948, when most polls had mistakenly predicted that Dewey would beat Truman, a swing of only about 1% in California, Ohio, and Illinois would have given him the victory in the electoral college.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:54 PM

Or else that it's vital for them to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:11 PM

It depends on the polls you're talking about.

Polls saying that Trump's matches or beats Biden's right now doesn't prove that he'll win or even be nominated.

But polls (like the 2020 election) that show his incredible popularity, which seems not be declining in spite of everything so far (adjudicated sexual abuse, adjudicated decades of fraud, admission of stealing nuclear secrets, a call for General Milley's execution) surely tell us something about the public that's far from "meaningless."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 11:31 AM

I've written my GOP congressmen several times. Sometimes I get a polite response telling me gently I'm an idiot. Once I got quite a strident one (even more clearly a form letter) swearing that the inviolability of the Second Amendment was sacred ("I will not lift a finger to infringe upon the rights of my constituents.")

Mostly I hear nothing. Why, when you have an overwhelming Trump base, waste a staff member's time on somebody who'll never vote for you anyway?

We used to have a Republican senator who was pretty mild on Trump. In reply to an email, one of his staffers actually called us on the phone to discuss an issue briefly. We were impressed. (Of course it wouldn't have happened if his boss hadn't needed votes, but that's just built in.)

Our conservative senator declined to run for re-election, because his weakness on Trump had turned his constituency dead against him. His successor doesn't have that problem.

Keep those cards going.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM

The best Reich can say is "a bit more secure" and "some hope."

Meanwhile Trump keeps rising in the polls. Literally. No politician in my lifetime could have gotten away even once with what he gets away with almost daily.

Court findings have had no effect on either him or his 80,000,000 followers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 04:53 PM

Yes, Helen. I was making a different point.

Cheney, Romney, and Kinzinger are not of the MAGA ilk. But the MAGAs are firmly in the GOP saddle, and C, R, & K have no influence on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 03:13 PM

One has to be in deep denial - or ignorance - to refer to MAGAs and their ilk as "conservatives."

Dwight Eisenhower and John McCain were conservatives. So - despite obvious flaws - was Ronald Reagan.

Compare Trump and his followers with any one of them.

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From: Lighter
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 01:24 PM

Turns out it's a bench trial - by Trump's choice.

The judge is the jury. This a.m. Trump called the AG a "racist horror show" and Judge Ergeron a "rogue judge," both of them part of the "greatest witch hunt of all time."

So the monetary judgment should be pretty hefty.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM

Let's see what the jury hits him for in his fraud trial.

The State of New York wants $250,000,000. His former "fixer," Michael Cohen, believes that $500,000,000 is possible and appropriate.

On the other hand, they could award $1.00.

Trump insists that all the fraudulently obtained loans were fully repaid, and that "There were no victims!" That's powerful stuff if you like Trump.

If Trump's fine is minimal compared to what the state is asking, it'll be a big win - and a very ill omen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 06:00 PM

Helen, there are five more charges outstanding.

Moreover, the jury will also have to determine the amount, if any, of the fine.

Meanwhile, the judge's order to dissolve the Trump Organization and tokeep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state is nothing to be sneezed at.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 05:18 PM

Just out:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-202326707.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 03:39 PM

And if 30% of all eligible voters in the right states vote for Trump, and 29% vote for Biden, Trump wins.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 11:12 AM

And now it's 5. Judge Chutkan also gets to preside over his voter suppression trial based on racist claims of fraudulent voting by non-whites.


https://www.alternet.org/trump-black-voters-judge-chutkan/?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Oct.18.2023_1.05pm

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Oct 23 - 02:42 PM

Another one bites the dust:

Trump co-defendant Kenneth Chesebro strikes plea deal with Georgia prosecutors
As jury selection was beginning, Judge McAfee said a deal had been negotiated.

The first trial to have been conducted in the Georgia case is now moot - Powell dropped out yesterday, Chesebro today, so the possible risk of all of the evidence against them being aired and the other defendant trials that come later being able to benefit from that is gone, at least for now. None of the other trials have dates yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 11:05 AM

Another one bites the dust.

Sidney Powell Pleads Guilty in Georgia Trump Case
Ms. Powell, a lawyer who pushed baseless theories about ballot fraud in 2020, is the second defendant to accept a plea deal in the election interference case.

Sidney K. Powell, a member of Donald J. Trump’s legal team after he lost the 2020 election, pleaded guilty on Thursday morning to six misdemeanor counts instead of facing a criminal trial that was to begin next week. She was among 19 defendants, including Mr. Trump, who were indicted in August for their efforts to subvert the election results in Georgia.

Ms. Powell, 68, who appeared in a downtown Atlanta courtroom, was sentenced to six years of probation for conspiracy to commit intentional interference of election duties. That is a significantly less-severe outcome than she would have faced if found guilty of the charges for which she was originally indicted, which included a violation of the state racketeering law.

She was also fined $6,000 and agreed to pay $2,700 restitution to the state of Georgia, as well as write an apology letter to its citizens.

Prosecutors said in court that Ms. Powell had given them a recorded statement on Wednesday as part of her plea deal. She has agreed to testify against any of the 17 remaining defendants. Ms. Powell has also agreed to turn over documents in her possession related to the case.

She got off light.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 23 - 11:42 AM

Another week, another Trump gag order under consideration. This time Judge Chutkan in Washington, D.C. Updates from the New York Times.

The Guardian isn't behind a paywall.

Trump has so much more wiggle room than any other other human being in the US because of candidate status and the mischief he can make about his political speech. But his gangland speech, that needs to stop.

A federal judge is expected to consider on Monday whether to impose a limited gag order on Donald Trump in the criminal case over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, potentially restricting what he can say about potential trial witnesses and prosecutors.

The decision for US district judge Tanya Chutkan at the hearing, scheduled for 10am in Washington, comes with unique challenges given the potential for Trump to test the limits of a protective order or even flout it outright – opening the explosive sanctions question of whether to jail him in response.

Since Trump was charged in August with conspiring to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power, prosecutors have complained in court filings that Trump has made dozens of prejudicial statements that could intimidate people from testifying against him at trial and poison the jury pool.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Oct 23 - 01:37 PM

Liz Cheney has been cautioning about the state of the Democracy should Jim Jordan be elected Speaker. And I've seen chatter about people nominating Cheney herself - you don't need to be in the House to be Speaker (there's no rule that says you have to be, though I don't know if they've ever elected someone from outside before.) This has to be chapping Trump's hide.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 07:39 AM

Sez Trump about his personal troubles: "I think most people get it" and "This is a terrible thing that is happening to our country." (That's even larger than a Royal We when he=our country)

Trump demands ‘full apology’ from Forbes after dropping off wealthiest Americans list

He just doesn't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 12:22 AM

He's also a total ass when it comes to maintaining a diplomatic and presidential demeanor regarding the atrocities in Israel:
‘Netanyahu let us down’: Trump chides Israel just days after attack
Subhead: His meandering remarks were the most extensive since the deadly weekend attacks.
Photo cutline: Donald Trump didn't use the word “Israel” until almost 20 minutes into his speech, after criticizing his 2024 GOP rivals and praising supporters.

PALM BEACH, Fla. — He criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and called Hezbollah “very smart.” Both less than a week after the attack on Israel.

It was, as billed, a speech about the atrocities abroad. In the most Trumpian way possible.

Speaking to more than 3,500 supporters at a Palm Beach, Fla., convention center, former President Donald Trump spent nearly two hours recounting how he helped move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and boasted about signing the Abraham Accords, which formalized diplomatic relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.

But he also meandered among various topics, zig-zagging from the weekend terrorist attack in Israel that has captured the world’s attention to criticisms of his GOP rivals, crime in Washington, D.C., boasts about rising in the polls despite multiple indictments and even mentioned the assault on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul.

Throughout his speech, Trump, who leads his GOP presidential rivals, painted a picture of an alternate universe he thought would have existed had he been reelected in 2020 instead of President Joe Biden.

“Israel would be flourishing, they would have no problem,” he said. “Iran would have never played that game.”

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 12:17 AM

Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury

Trump has complained that he didn't get a chance for a jury. The judge says no.

Engoron is presiding over the bench trial of a $250 million lawsuit filed in 2022 by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which she accused Trump, two of his sons, their company and other executives of years of widespread fraud. Engoron said that in paperwork certifying that the case was ready for trial, James' office checked a box suggesting it be a non-jury proceeding.

Trump's team had 15 days to oppose that, but did not, Engoron said, because there was no point in doing so.

"It would not have helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box," Engoron said.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 10:09 AM

I think you have that in reverse. The American Taliban ("Christian" Nationalists) have emboldened terrorists around the world. Trump did that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM

The court itself was going to delay the dissolution of the Trump properties in anticipation of an appeal, so that isn't news for anyone. But Trump will spin it as a victory.

I'm of the opinion that the only reason Melania is still married to Donald is because he's so busy going to lots of places away from wherever home is this time of year that he's not interfering in her part of the house. If he finally stops running for office, I'm betting she's out of there, though I wonder if she has managed to set aside any of those millions to live on later? Past Presidents have means to make an income, but I don't know if that applies to all past first ladies. Michelle Obama and Hillary certainly landed on both feet financially, but they have skills. Laura Bush was always the helpful spouse (though she did work as a librarian right out of college.) Jimmy and Rosalynn travel as a pair in everything and have enough, but Melania would never be content to live in a small house in a small town like Rosalynn Carter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM

Infighting is so unattractive, and as entertaining as it can be for a couple of days, it sets an even nastier tone for the rest of the term. Meanwhile, the current avatar of public petting doesn't want her buddy Matt kicked out for being a douche: Lauren Boebert said it would be 'childish, vengeful' for Republicans to remove Matt Gaetz after he led McCarthy's ousting.

Politico sheds light on the Trump for speaker discussion: How Trump was talked into — and out of — a run for speaker

Just hours after Kevin McCarthy was deposed as House speaker, the “draft Trump” movement began.

“I called him and I said, ‘Sir, I’m nominating you for the speaker of the House,’” said Rep. Troy Nehls (R-Texas), describing a Tuesday call to former President Donald Trump. “I said, ‘I think that you would do a great job fixing the brokenness we see in the Congress.’”

So began a wild 48-hour scramble that saw Trump openly pondering a quixotic bid to become the first nonmember to be elected speaker before his political advisers and House allies managed to convince him it was a terrible idea.

The Trump-for-speaker bubble officially popped early Friday morning, when he took sides in the brewing battle between Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.).

Meanwhile, ever since Trump's petulant departure from the courtroom on Wednesday midday the trial has gone much smoother. And even though Trump is still trying for delays to postpone the inevitable, today some some of his executives testify.

The biggest nugget to hit the news yesterday was the over-sharing that Trump did with the Australian rich guy, who then went and told ~80 people about US nuclear submarine strategy and how close they could get to Russia undetected. Putin is saving a lot of money on spys now that Trump has been in office and after. As noted, this is a separate crime that could be charged, but in terms of proving, more difficult since it is a he said/he said kind of testimony involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 12:11 AM

On MSNBC this evening one of the guest commentators described Trump's followers as the "MAGA jackal conference." BINGO. Nailed it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 12:01 PM

Trump is using inciting language that his former attorney Michael Cohen calls "mob boss talk." It's the "meddlesome priest" that Don mentioned, I've heard that same line used by Neal Katyal and Andrew Weissmann to describe the way Trump indicates he wants things done. His rhetoric speaks volumes.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 01:34 PM

One of MSNBC's talking heads said of the GOP House with the removal of McCarthy and now needing a new leader: "It's like the dog caught the car." Now what. Well, GOP members who wanted McCarthy to be rescued by some votes from Democrats are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.

In Trump World, Donald Trump's Properties Will Likely Be Auctioned Off, Attorney Says.

Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he had committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said.

Tristan Snell was speaking after a court found that the former president had massively inflated the value of some of his properties and ordered that some Trump companies involved be stripped of their corporate licenses. It's one part of Trump's ongoing civil fraud trial.

"The worst outcome that could have come from this case has already been handed down, and that is for the corporate licenses to be canceled," Snell told MSNBC. "The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are probably going to be sold at auction. That's probably what is going to happen. We don't know that for sure, but that is probably where this is headed. So [Trump] is already really, really in trouble."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM

As a whole, the news today illustrates many ways that the GOP is crumbling. One commentator remarked that much of this started when they invited in the populist voice (and that would go back to the Tea Party). Gingrich brought incivility to the fore when he was in the House.

Americans need to be exposed to high school Civics and Social Studies courses again. So many of them don't seem to have an idea of what the various political positions are supposed to be doing and why a responsible life of service, whatever your political viewpoint, is a desirable thing.

Trump is in court for the third day. One suspects that this is about as long as he'll stick with these appearances, partly because so many eyes are averted from him, instead drawn to the drama at the Capitol, and because he'll be bored with the process in which he has no control.

Breaking news - one of the worst of the worst, Jim Jordan, has announced he wants to be Speaker of the House. #3 in the presidential succession. No way. What a complete jerk.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:50 PM

Trump had a gag order dropped on him this afternoon after he put up a post that doxed the judge's clerk (put up her Instagram information and suggested she was involved with Senator Schumer, the senator from her state, where it isn't unreasonable to have your photo taken with your representative).

The posts were removed from Truth Social.

That thing Lighter shared is pretty damned surreal. A drawing of the sociopathic guy from Queens situated beside a European-featured representation of the christian nationalists' icon who by all rights (and common sense) is a swarthy-skinned Middle-Eastern man. There's a White House photo of when a bunch of those folks were in the Oval Office and stood around Trump, laying their hands on him. He apparently doesn't like to be touched (self-proclaimed germaphobe, according to various news sources). Though this handshake he offered is a good one: Melania handshake from Polish first lady

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

People need to understand that polls are biased and inaccurate. I have the feeling that more people understand that, but the results of elections are a sure-fire way to tell if that is the case.

The House is debating whether McCarthy stays as Speaker or not. Another artificial crisis manufactured by Trump zealots.

Meanwhile, Trump must figure that the attention of attending court is worth his time as far as donations coming in. He's in court for a second day when he doesn't have to be. I wonder if he's staying at the Tower or commuting in from the golf course? I think the tower will be forfeit if/when the trial concludes, since the summary judgement has already shown that fraud did happen.

The details of that judgment are here: Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:14 PM

What polls do is convince people who do pay attention to them, who aren't skeptical about the questions asked, who did the asking, or how they were phrased, that their vote can't possibly matter. They discourage people from voting.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 11:41 AM

I also write postal mail and faxes and emails to my Congressional representative and US Senators.

Again . . .

Polls Are Meaningless

That is all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 10:07 AM

Robert Reich has played the role of Cassandra ever since Trump started running for the office. I follow him on several of the social media sites. His pithiest pieces appear on the Substack blog and as occasional editorials and the New York Times or the Washington Post.

Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court aren't there just to take away women's rights, they're also there to enable more oligarchs to retain their wealth. One of the first cases of the session has to do with the funding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau; the payday lenders (who end up charging massive interest on their loans) and other scammers want the bureau gone, so are trying a backdoor method to get there. If Trump loses all of his properties we should not be surprised to learn of Trump Payday Loans in the near future.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:50 PM

I had a conversation with a psychologist friend this weekend, discussing the difference between personality disorders, such as sociopaths, versus brain and chemical disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar conditions. You can't "treat" personality disorders except for trying to teach some skills through lots of therapy and practice. Trump has no empathy, he's not going to learn it or be shamed into exhibiting it. He has a martyr thing going now, he collects grievances and acts out against those he considers his tormentors. He rarely listens to his attorneys when they try to get him to stop slamming his victims and the prosecutors and judges.

He belongs in jail. Without a phone or a computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 01:25 PM

I think you'll find that if the GOP could get a reasonable person as their candidate (not a Trumper from political fantasy land) everyone could relax into a normal campaign.

Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee. I don't like many of the political positions of Liz Cheney on various issues, but she is principled. Romney the same. Adam Kinzinger. They're normal conservative politicians who understand how government is supposed to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 10:40 AM

The judge in the case isn't allowing video of opening and closing statements, but is allowing still cameras in the courtroom. Smart photographers will use mirrorless cameras that don't make a shutter noise to distract the subjects of the photos.

The Orange one has put in an appearance today, seated front and center in court. Someone must have told him that a blue tie is appropriate for court, he doesn't have his signature red over-long tie. This morning's MSNBC talking head is suggesting that if people could watch the trial then Trump's folks can't leave the courtroom and put their own "martyr" spin on the proceedings. They can see the judge being fair, etc. But after the first few photo ops before things begin, that isn't going to happen. I'm sure there will be lots of reporting from people who listen closely.

Rachel Maddow does her weekly appearance on MSNBC on Monday evenings, so I'll be tuned in to see how she views the events of the day.

You asked what people are going to do to get rid of him. Direct action as far as registering voters is a big part of it. Flipping a few seats in Congressional districts that support him will have the added effect of being able to undo damage he did in his only term. Prudent people don't wish for harmful or illegal things, especially not in writing (unlike his supporters who think violence is a tool to accomplish what they need.) Joining effective pro-voting groups and emboldening Biden supporters (who last time around felt targeted if they put political signage in their yards. Trump supporters vandalized homes and signs in 2016.) Helping people get to the polls. Working at the polls. The list grows.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM

How can I say this in a way to get you off of this one nerve you are insisting on poking and repoking? We hear what you are saying, BUT WE DON'T AGREE. Harris may be unknown to you, I don't know most of your politicians.

I knew exactly what I meant, knew Reagan said it, but Reagan doesn't own that phrase.

Move on. This topic is about Trump's indictments, it's not about what you forecast as doom and gloom regarding the failure of the US population to completely get rid of Trump in our political landscape. We're working on it. Move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 04:49 PM

There you go again. That "Afghanistan cock up" is Trump's - he set it in motion, intentionally, during his administration so it would land smack on the next guy.

Stop borrowing trouble. Harris is a talented and able vice president. If she becomes president through Biden's departure - voluntary or not - she will do a good job. I worry more about the people who are fussing about Biden's age than I worry about Biden's age.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM

You've said the same jaundiced things several times and have been told it isn't a good reading of the situation.

Man of Constant Sorrow is a parody that Mudcatter gnu shared this weekend.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 08:38 PM

You must be watching the news that tries to find any small wobble and slows or emphasises it and blows it out of proportion.

You do realize that Trump is obese, probably wears a diaper and a girdle, has a hair weave, wears makeup to keep that orange glow, and has a terrible diet? He doesn't get enough sleep and he throws stuff when he's pissed, so a lot broken crockery and new paint around his environs.

Biden exercises at home, bikes outside regularly, eats well, and has a clear conscience. Ok, he needs to do something about the dog (call Cesar Millan, for starters). He looks healthy for his age and he's a damn sight better candidate than Trump.

Trump is a player, always calculating, Biden is kind and smart.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 05:26 PM

Trump and Biden are for all intents and purposes the same age. A couple of years apart. If Trump can run, Biden can run.

I'll tell you what I tell people every year.

Don't Believe the Polls

They're inaccurate, they don't ask good questions and they don't ask every voter. They're flawed and they have too much influence if people let them. The only polls that matter are the voting booth.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 11:10 AM

Trump World won't have a reason to chime in (but who knows - it could happen) regarding the death of Dianne Feinstein. California Gov. Newsom will appoint a black woman to fill out the rest of her term. This will give everyone a short course on how to replace a Democratic senator in a Democratic state with a Democratic governor. Next - will Menendez step down and let Democratic governor Philip Murphy appoint a replacement to fill the rest of his term? She stayed too long and the last term was fraught due to absences and illness, and people were pressuring her to leave. So she did. Unlike the GOP supporting it's criminal class, the Democratic party is shifting itself to put pressure on Menendez to leave, who is much less likely to die in office.

In the meantime, Trump should stop flying around to events, should sell the jet, should hunker down at his home in Florida and be glad that state is one that is very liberal (!) when it comes to being able to keep your home if you go bankrupt. He and his sons are on the brink of losing their business license in the State of New York, where many of his holdings are in place. Apparently Ivanka had her own court case last year about her standing and is the only member of the family still able to have businesses there. Does she become the sudden heir of the whole thing, or will it be liquidated by the state? She seems to have fallen from grace in the family, but perhaps that will shift.