BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 05:46 PM

My posts are abnormally short but are not gospel. When Steve's posts are not outright name-calling, in general, they are current or past paradigm friendly. I am in general for paradigm shifts.

At least we offer voter registration along with motor vehicle licensing.

Regarding more upcoming Trump indictments, the family should slip him some Xanex in his milkshake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 05:53 PM

Sorry, Helen, but you need to consult your dictionary about the meaning of "deplorable." It absolutely does not mean what you think it means.


Once again please.

I have not "railed against" anything. I've given you my point of view and I've put some arguments in favour of it. I've done a fair bit of reading on both sides of this debate. Most of the arguments I've read that are in favour of compulsory voting dwell on the potential equalisation of the rich (very much inclined to vote, and to vote right wing) and the more deprived (far less inclined to vote, and, if they do vote, inclined to vote more leftist). That's the theory, but there is very little research to back up that theory, apparently. On top of that, there's a distinct element in that of principle being ditched. I'd far sooner see much better political education, which, at its best, would encourage people to make informed decisions and, just as importantly, encourage them to vote. By the way, compulsory voting is a bit of a canard. What we really mean is compulsory turnout. You can't force people to actually vote unless you are in a regime which monitors every person's vote and none of us here live in such a regime.

There are respectable arguments on both sides of this conversation. I nearly always vote, but I won't vote if, in spite of my researches, I can't glean enough about the candidates on offer. To do so would be undemocratic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:04 PM

deplore

transitive verb

    To feel or express strong disapproval of; condemn.To express sorrow or grief over.To regret; bemoan.

deplorable

adjective

    Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach.Lamentable; woeful.Wretched; bad.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:09 PM

MaJoC, that's called the donkey vote here.

One of the (many) actions of Trump and his minions which made me angry was his attempts to prevent pre-polling day voting. What I saw on ABC (U.S.) News was that the people who most needed to pre-poll vote were the ones who would be working at their jobs on polling day, and could not be away from their jobs to stand in line for hours waiting to place their vote. That would mainly affect people who could not afford to lose a day's pay, or even a few hour's pay and then would have to make the almost impossible choice of whether to vote or whether to put food on their table or a roof over their heads.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:26 PM

Great that you educated yourself as to the meaning of that word, Helen. Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:03 PM

Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:59 PM

Well that's it, innit, Dave. It's all very well forcing people to vote, ostensibly in the interests of democracy, but I'd far sooner employ strong persuasion coupled with bloody good political education. Actually, the practicalities are that the minority of democracies that have compulsory voting rarely sanction those who refuse to vote. The Aussies accept almost any excuse from non-voters. And anyway, it isn't really about compulsory voting at all. It's about forcing people to turn out. Once they're in that ballot box they can do what they like.

The Aussies often crow about their compulsory voting. I'd love to hear from whatever fair-minded Aussies we have here whether their voting system has produced good governance... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:22 PM

I mentioned that better minds have debated whether the unwashed public should be allowed to choose representation. Despite Trump's support by the unwashed deplorable public, I support voting for all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:46 AM

"Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against?"

I hope that you are not serious about that. Who would do the checking? How would you check it?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:57 AM

Education, Rain Dog. Remember that RE used to be compulsory at schools. How about making a basic understanding of politics the same. With exams before you leave school and attain voting age.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:59 AM

Oh, and a little more flippantly, no one objects to you having to pass a test to drive a car. Maybe voting tests should be compulsory before you get a licence to drive the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:03 AM

How much of their RE education do you think the vast majority remember?

Don't let the uneducated vote. Where have we heard that before?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:53 AM

Straw man, Rain Dog. Nowhere have I said the uneducated should not vote. I did say that political education should be compulsory. However, this is a diversion from Trump so I am starting another thread on it.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 12:52 PM

Thanks for spinning this off to a new thread, Dave. I agree, it's an important topic all on its own. Political education and voting.

Meanwhile, the Dominion voting machine trial, a spinoff of the Trump Big Lie and his wacky attorneys (Powell and Giuliani), starts tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:46 PM

Mentioning those wacky attorneys always brings to my mind the images of both of them sweating and talking rubbish at the Four Seasons (landscaping) outdoor media conference. I was especially gobsmacked at the weird stuff Sidney Powell was saying. And I still LOL about the event being booked at a landscaping yard instead of the Four Seasons swanky hotel.

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From: gillymor
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:56 PM

Don't forget the adult bookstore in the background and the dark hair dye streaming down the face of "America's Mayor", Helen. Those must seem like the Halcyon Days to trump at this point.

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From: Charmion
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 04:16 PM

Dominion v Fox has been postponed for 24 hours. Is that the aroma of *settlement* I sniff on the wind?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 04:53 PM

Oh yes! The dark hair dye. I forgot that.

That media event certainly added to the impression of trustworthiness for them both.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Apr 23 - 06:43 PM

The Fox trial was delayed because Fox is trying to settle without a trial. If it goes to trial it would disincentivize Fox and other news orgs from lying. Lets hope for a trial. I wouldn't blame Dominion for settling for 15 billion. A bankrupt Fox would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 07:53 AM

Donald and Adolf share more than a few things like the initial humorous reactions, fake news, make germany great again, and enemy of the state quotes. Adolf had a treason trial and a limited sentence that actually helped him. Time is on our side with Trump's extreme age even if briefly jailed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 02:59 PM

Georgia's fake electors are turning on each other in hopes of immunity. I don't think the DA knows the meaning of imminent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 04:13 PM

Latest news: The Dominion v. Fox trial has been halted. A settlement has been reached, with further details to follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 18 Apr 23 - 04:47 PM

Fox News and Dominion Voting Systems resolve defamation lawsuit

"Voting machine company Dominion Voting Systems and Fox News have reached a settlement in a high-profile defamation case in the United States.

"A lawyer for Dominion said the case was settled for $US787.5 million ($AU1.17 billion)."

..........

"The deal spares Fox the peril of having some of its best-known figures called to the witness stand and subjected to potentially withering questioning.

"This would have ranged from executives including Rupert Murdoch, the 92-year-old media mogul who serves as Fox Corp chairman, and Fox CEO Suzanne Scott as well as on-air hosts including Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Jeanine Pirro."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 23 - 05:21 PM

In the rape trial coming up, The Daily Beast reports that the judge told Donald he doesn't have to be there, but he won't make a lame excuse for his absence.

Trump’s lawyers wanted the jurors, who will decide if Trump really did rape the journalist E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s, to hear that Trump would love to be there but cannot right now because it’s just too burdensome on New York City. They asked U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan to issue a formal excuse, but the judge instead signed an order that says the opposite: Trump is very much welcome to show up and can’t complain about alleged insufficient security because it’s actually a highly guarded federal courthouse. After glancing at Trump’s campaign website and noticing that he has a campaign event in New Hampshire scheduled on what will be Day 3 of the rape trial, Kaplan wrote: “If the Secret Service can protect him at that event, certainly the Secret Service, the Marshals Service, and the City of New York can see to his security in this very secure federal courthouse.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 23 - 05:24 PM

And Trump's supporters in the House of Representatives are trying to sideline the Manhattan prosecutor: PBS story with a 7 minute video of the report.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 06:45 AM

When Fox wants to be disreputable in the future they may have to pay another tax-deductible fine. Big Deal, they may want to settle earlier next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 11:46 AM

According to what we are reading this end, DeSantis is doomed. His ratings are biting the dust. That leaves Trump as the only realistic nominee.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:23 PM

At this point, Mitt Romney sounds like a totally rational choice - he was a Democrat when as governor of Massachusetts they became the first state to provide health care for all citizens. He changed parties, eventually ran for GOP senator from Utah, and voted to impeach Trump, so his good name is dust. Obama beat him handily, but that was the last time we had loyal opposition in a presidential race. Now it's the lunatic fringe.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:46 PM

I liked Mitt's dad better than Mitt.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:09 AM

Twitter as a formerly fairly reliable media source has to be kicking itself up one side and down the other for insisting that Elon Musk go ahead and buy them. Someone made money out of that, but everyone else lost. Impersonators Run Wild on Twitter Thanks to Sabotaged Verification System
Now that the legacy blue checks are gone, users are free to pose as celebrities and government agencies

This is another iteration of the Pandora's Box that the Trump presidency opened up. Bad behavior and no consequences for the rich guy who is running Twitter into the ground as fast as he can and leaving a lot of people vulnerable in the process.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:19 PM

AI bots will make people more reliably vulnerable.

In a house that last year's flood smells just like a mangy animal
A man with a gun watching Fox waits for a trespass like a cannibal
The fearful gun lust burns with the video loops of crime on his TVs
When an unknown car turns into his driveway his handy gun pleases
BANG BANG he fires two blind shots into the car as it squeals away
What he can not see is the girl in the back seat turn an ashen grey
As he finally turns around
He says "I stood my ground"

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:29 PM

I believe Rupert Murdoch aided and abetted the killer but he would never be charged.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 04:18 PM

Next up at bat: E. Jean Carroll 1.0: Defamation and Federal Tort Claims Act Litigation

Carroll is suing Trump for defamation after he publicly accused her, in June 2019, of fabricating a rape allegation against him. There was a whole lot of fighting about suing a sitting president and now there are two lawsuits by Ms. Carroll. We can start sorting it out tomorrow.

Trump's rape trial brought by E. Jean Carroll starts Tuesday in Manhattan. The case centers around accusations from the 1990s

Get your popcorn ready!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 06:41 PM

Meanwhile, back at the Fox ranch:

Tucker Carlson , the most popular host at Fox News, parts ways with the network

"Key points:

- The break comes less than a week after Fox agreed to pay $1.2 billion to settle a lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems
- Carlson was also named in another lawsuit by a former Fox producer
- An expert says that the sudden ouster will have profound consequences for Fox News, TV news and the Republican Party"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 06:54 PM

Fox commentator Tucker CARLSON was fired by Murdoch.
Tucker was a stupid person's idea of what a smart bigot looks like and a Rush Limbaugh wannabe.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 07:48 PM

FOX agreed to pay $787.5m, not the $1.6b Dominion sued for.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 24 Apr 23 - 08:01 PM

Ebbie, sorry, you are right.

The article I linked to is from an Australian news site and they keep quoting the Australian dollar equivalent which is confusing. I think they should put $AU before the amount to avoid confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 09:32 AM

A reason why Carlson was the most racist personality on cable news is that he and his staff lifted much of their content from 4 Chan and later 8 Chan which are Neo-Nazi websites.
He might fade away or he might form a media business like Glen Beck or Alex Jones.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 11:45 AM

Another Woman Comes Forward with Story of Donald Trump Forcibly Trying to Kiss Her

His defense is always "look at her" - not up to his standards to rape.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 02:17 PM

Donald Trump Is Going on Trial for Rape
What to know about E. Jean Carroll’s lawsuit.

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From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 23 - 03:37 PM

Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, and Alex Jones walk into a bar.
Three billion dollars fly out the door.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 23 - 08:20 PM

Some say Trump has 9 lives or 9 Horcrux. I think he is running through them pretty fast.

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 09:27 AM

Sports betting is facing a windfall in 2024.
WHO WILL DIE FIRST? Place your bets!
Diet, blood pressure, and activity will figure prominately in this election.
The simple act of trying to outdo their opponent could be a death knell for both in this sport where seconds count...
Its a countdown to death for their very last breath.
Niki Halley has already placed her bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 02:27 PM

There’s a Remarkable Piece of Evidence in the E. Jean Carroll Trial

It’s the smoking gun of Donald Trump’s treatment of women.

His pussy grabbing admission is finally going to do some damage, hopefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 04:46 PM

Thanks for the link to that article, SRS. It raises a lot of good points.

I have been thinking that E. Jean Carroll would have very little concrete evidence to offer in her case, but *everyone* saw the Access Hollywood clip, even if some of them made lame excuses at the time for Trump's statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 10:15 PM

She told people at the time, but if she wasn't going to act, I can see that after all of this time the exact date is forgotten. Unless something turns up to trigger that memory (and who knows - perhaps someone will come up with something in a journal or note. This is event was pre-email for most people, so it would probably be on paper somewhere.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 10:26 PM

The date is not important. Her testimony is credulous and realistic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Apr 23 - 10:41 PM

There are many important events in my past lives in different jobs that I can place by location and with people involved, but I have to stop to think which year was it within a range of two or three years if I worked in a place for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 23 - 12:51 PM

I know its the subplot of all the Terminator movies but lately, I have been wondering how long it will take a Presidential candidate to have a secret AI advisor. Once that Rubicon is crossed, a running mate or even an immortal AI president could be considered. In the meantime, we have a close MONUMENTAL absurd choice AGAIN.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 29 Apr 23 - 04:05 PM

> a secret AI advisor

Given that the ChatGPTs have a known tendency to tell plausible lies with total confidence (it's called "hallucination" in the trade), methinks Agent Orange would have one in an instant, either as an advisor or as a running mate, and watch the commentators play Spot The Difference.