Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?

Subject: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 03:46 PM

just thought I would copyright this thread-title for use in early September. And give everyone time to prepare their arguments.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 03:57 PM

Great thinking, Greg, I've already prepared mine *BG*.

Pete

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: MMario
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 03:59 PM

I've seen some of their pictures - the performers don't look like horses to me!

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From:
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 04:32 PM

What is the Committee line on GUEST appearances?

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 07:27 PM

The Back Door Men's Auxiliary to the Power Quadrant board of the Secret Ruler's Subchapter of the Hidden Agenda Directorate of the Transparent Control division of the Inner Clique steering group of the Mudcat Clique and Cartel Holding Company has asked me (and I could not refuse) to state unequivocally that GUEST appearances are acceptable, subject to the same aesthetic standards as any other candidates.

Regards,

Nemo De Nyall, First Hider

BDMA of the PQB of the SRS of the HAD of the TCD of the ICSG of the MCCHC

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 08:43 PM

And here is a singing horse. And, in keeping with the tradition, the song is silent. But just because we can't hear it.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:02 PM

When is MudCat going to get back to its roots and raison d'etre i.e. music and songs?
Vitriolic rants, such as the still ongoing exchanges about Catholic priests and paedophilia, with absolutely no musical content or relevance, would seem to me to be worthy of a precipitate termination.
I am aware that Joe and other "owners" have to tread a very narrow and difficult path and I am also aware that I myself have succumbed to the temptation to join in such exchanges. Nonetheless, I feel very strongly that similar non-musical threads must be shut down as soon as it becomes clear that they have no musical relevance.
Is this censorship? Yes, it is, insofar as a discussion of the syntax of the Irish Verbal Noun would be ruled out of place on a forum dedicated to terrapin breeding in Outer Mongolia.
Annraoi

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: toadfrog
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:09 PM

GOOD POINT! But easier said than done.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: khandu
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:28 PM

But, Amos...will they be "un-named" Guest?

khandu

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 10:55 PM

Sorry Annraoi, but with all the respect I have for you and your scholarship, I must disagree with you on this one. Mudcat has never been simply a music site. It is music that draws us here, but all subjects are fair game for discussion. Joe is not now, nor has he ever been, an "owner". Max relies on him, and Jeff, to keep it going, but Max is, always has been, and ever will be, the final arbiter with regard to this place. And he decreed long ago that censorship would be kept to an absolute minimum. I agree that there are threads that I suspect I would not like. I just don't go in them. The current "genitals" thread is an example. There are many others. There are other threads that are what you would term "non musical", that I do participate in. Most of the time I just browse without posting. There are many times I will open a thread I might not be interested in just because of who posts. Your posts, as well as Wolfgang, Sandy Paton, Liam's Brother, Seamus Kennedy, Rick Fielding, Frank Hamilton, Jerry Rasmussen, Philippa, and so on, are like that. I respect your scholarship, so I open the post.

What does it have to do with music? I have thought a great deal about this and have come up with my view of it. I find that people whose primary interest is in the study of trad forms, would prefer that it be purely about the music. Those for whom their music is an expression of political and philosophical positions prefer to have it wide open. And of course there are gradients between. That is where I lie. As a person who was raised during a time of political turmoil in the States (I was born in 1951, and grew up in the 60's), "protest songs" had a great affect on me. But my earliest memories are of the traditional music of the land of my grandparents. Hence, this place is a perfect outlet for both sides of my musical personality. One of the roles that the songs and tunes have always had (especially among the people that we are both descended from) was and is as an outlet for political and social expression.

With respect I would say that folks need to quit worrying about the threads they don't like. If they aren't posted to, they will die. If they don't, then there is a message there as well.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 02 - 11:07 PM

Annaroi:

I hope you might want to contribute someyhing of your own for the Mudcat Sample CD? Is that possible?

Send me a PM if you'd like.

A.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 08:12 AM

It's good to see that Amos is taking with his sense of homor at the fore. but, give the man a break. He hasn't even gotten to the deadline for submissions yet.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 10:00 AM

Moderation of high quality discussion forums is pretty standard nowadays. It is done to keep discussion on-topic, to remove offensive posts/posters, that sort of thing. Many believe moderation is long overdue here, to make Mudcat a useful music site.

The sort of arbitrary censorship routinely seen here is done to protect the guilty.

Mudcat is such a special place, you are virtually guaranteed to get less than you paid for.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 10:02 AM

I've never heard a horse arguing about politics or religion either.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 10:05 AM

Who was it said that, Big Bill Broonzy, Louis Armstrong or Red Rum?

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 02:56 PM

The one who may have ignored the rule about not talking politics if you a horse would have been Shergar. (I've always thought Ride On is probably about Shergar.)

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: MMario
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 03:03 PM

Shergar?

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 05:41 PM

Shergar

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 17 Apr 02 - 08:59 PM

Greg Stephens -- It was Broonzy. I have a recording of him saying it in a tandem concert with Pete Seeger at Northwestern University in Evanston, Il in 1959.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: khandu
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 07:32 PM

Hey, who said anything about folk? I wanted to submit my disco version of Tom Jones' bluegrass version of Hendrix' version of "All Along the Watchtower"!!

And besides... Mudcat is a blues and folk forum!

khandu

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 07:36 PM

i think Louis Armstrong said it well before that. but Stewball might have got in first. Or Molly or Tenbrooks? Opinions differ.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: hesperis
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 02:52 AM

Mudcat already is a useful music site... duh.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Genie
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 01:24 AM

To respond to the question posed in the thread title:

Now that I have all 5 CDs, I'd say the songs, while not all "trad," sound pretty folky to me. Not a major 7th in the lot!*   ;-D

Genie

*Just kidding about the major 7th. I didn't take inventory.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: radriano
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:52 AM

Dear GuestAnnraoi:

Click on the "membership" link at the top of your screen. Fill out the required sections to join Mudcat (it's free, so don't worry). The last item on the registration form is a filter for BS threads. Say "yes" to the BS filter and when you log on to Mudcat next you will not see any thread labelled "BS".

Radriano

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 02:05 AM

Where is the Punch, and why aint it spiked...never mind we have missed the horse piss out back.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 02:21 AM

I will piss out back when I am good & ready.

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Cappuccino
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 04:31 AM

Genie, I claim my major 7th.

Or perhaps it was a fingering mistake...

- Ian B

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 08:01 AM

What's a major 7th? (Well, I sort of know, but I've never seen any reason to play one.)

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Genie
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 10:50 AM

Like I said, Ian, I didn't really take inventory. *G*

Genie

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 12:18 PM

Answer: yepper!

A

Subject: RE: Are songs on Mudcat CD really folk?
From: GUEST,cookieless hesperis
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 02:27 PM

Well... there's a lot of folk on the CD... I'd take that as a yes. ;)