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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:26 PM

This thread has NOT been officially closed, on 20 Mar 05 - 08:33 AM or any other time.


sonnet 149 of 232 to my muse... ( but 233 is almost done)


Sonnet 26/03/04                     DCCCXCIX

I see within your eyes another world
Where hope is measured by how much you smile.
You glance at me, and all of soul is curled
Around your pen: Can my verse find a style
To win your favor? Should I dream of lips
That whisper words of hope, or even pray
For chance that I might kiss? My desire slips
Into all I dream, and all that I say.
I cannot pen control: It dashes on
To speak on page of things I have no right
To ask, or dream. How can I live upon
My hopes, when dream is begging for heart's sight?
I should not think to such a fool remain:
In truth, I cannot heart's desire obtain.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: freda underhill
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:29 PM

heh heh..


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:39 PM

but if it is closed, my stated desire to post only one sonnet per day is no longer valid- and I can now post them all...


freda, I think that might be a (very much ) unintended consequence of your statements....... Care to reconsider?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: freda underhill
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 06:51 PM

sorry, BB, whoever's been posting under my name is a pigment of your imagination!

freda hologram


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 05 - 08:17 PM

a pigment? what color?


Infrared?


Octiron?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 05:57 AM

sonnet 150 of 232 to my muse...


Sonnet 27/03/04                              CM

Be mine, sweet muse, that I might hold you near
And not think that I must soon let you go.
I want you in my arms: Should I make clear
How much I want your love? Words do not show
All that you mean, nor how heart aches to feel
The touch of skin, and warmth of my desire.
I long to trace all of your curves, to seal
All of you into heart, and dreams inspire.
Could lips tell more than pen? I would kiss try
To longings speak: How could I passions hold
From life, and action? Could dreams hope to fly
To one who all of dreams has to heart told?
You are the one that heart would passions give,
But can I tell of hopes, and let dreams live?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 06:52 AM

what do you figure is the probability that BB and the member formerly known as 42 will allow a long forgotten, hobbit cousin with delusions of deity to terminate our existence?

I AM THE ANSWER!

42


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 07:21 PM

chuckle..


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:26 PM

the possibilities are infinite.

j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 03:22 PM

sonnet 151 of 233 to my muse...


Sonnet 29/03/04                               CMI

I want to reach out to my muse, but fear
I would not have will to ever let go.
Shall I risk heart, that I might hold her near,
When I've no reason that she should love show?
Shall I dream of my muse, and love return
For all her smiles? What would she want of me,
When I can give no thing that dreams not earn
From hope, and cannot hope to her eyes see?
Can I tame passions and chain my desire,
To harness heart to reason? Could I feel
That she is just vision that dreams inspire,
And I should not think I might make dreams real?
I dare not ask for heart's desire, to spend
Some time with muse, that she might my heart mend.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 05:14 PM

off to spend some time with mine...and a glass of wine at the end of a long day.

j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 12:30 AM

sonnet 152 of 233 to my muse...


Sonnet 31/03/04                               CMII

She lights my dreams with her sweet smile, and gives
To heart the hope that spring will offer chance
To show a part of what in her glance lives:
A way of seeing all that feeds romance.
The thought of her lends passion to my night
And longing when I wake to bright sunrise.
I want her in my arms, to hold her tight,
And fall to sleep looking into her eyes.
What can I say, to tell what dreams have found
Within her words? Her thoughts reach to my soul,
And hold my heart: Heart is by my hopes bound,
And dreams seem to be by sweet muse made whole.
Muse brings the sunshine to a dreary day,
When all of world seems to be dark and gray.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 08:09 PM

http://www.john-keats.com/

A site of some interest. Keats only wrote 64 sonnets, but they are worth reading. Perhaps I should put all of them here, as well?

8-{E


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 11:07 PM

Whatever gets you through the night (shift)! Personally, I like yours just as well and you aren't even famous (as far as I know).

jen


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 11:19 PM

sonnet 153 of 233 to my muse...


Sonnet 07/04/04                              CMIII

To know that muse will someday tell me all
That words might mean, and if they reach, to touch
Her soul: That is enough for me to fall
Into my dreams and all of passions clutch.
She gives me hope for future, and the chance
To find my dreams in life. I do not know
If ever my words on her lips might dance,
Or see in eyes any of passion's glow.
I dare not wake, from dream: Heart almost holds
Sweet muse, within. All that I want, to heal
Past sorrows, heart can see. What desire molds,
I find no flaw in: Yet, are desires real?
I cannot doubt my feelings, nor her smile:
She is the one that gives verse hope for style.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 05 - 11:22 PM

42,

Thank you. Fame would be nice, as would enough income to give time to chase heart's desires, but as I have told LH, if it makes one person happy, is that not reason enough to write?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 07:33 AM

Writing makes me happy and isn't that the rule of the universe...Make ME happy!


jen


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Alba
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 08:57 AM

...and so I felt compelled to add to this thread, not wishing to be last, but to be a part of the process.
My contribution is megre but still I waited here in front of the screen for this thread to come up, read the thread and feel that in doing so I now deserve to add something...worthy. Who's to say!

"We are the Music makers, and we are the Dreamers of Dreams.
Wandering by lone sea breakers, and sitting by desolate streams."

O Shaughnessy.

Alba...wether I am real or a figment of my own or others imagination is a mute point. Tis the Internet after all. Cyber Space..the other infinite Universe.

Blessings and a chuckle to all.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 06:16 PM

154 ( one "shakespeare") of 233 to my muse...


Sonnet 09/04/04                              CMIV

What do I ask of muse, that I need fear
She would not send me smile? I am a fool
To think that dreams upset her: It is clear
She would not knowingly act to be cruel.
What do I want of muse, that I dreams hide
When they are honest image of concern?
Why do words hesitate to hopes confide,
When heart would more than just her sweet smile earn?
What do I seek of muse, that I am scared
To ask to hold her in my arms, and search
For all of heaven in her eyes? I've dared
Far more, for less: Would hopes my heart besmirch?
Yet, I cannot risk even hope of chance
That I might someday find stars in her glance.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 06:24 PM

Welcome, Alba.

Please continue to comment and make contributions.


8-{E


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 10:23 PM

welcome...but don't think you have a prayer of being last!
The writing is lovely however.
j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Alba
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 10:24 PM

Why thank you for the welcome Sir:>)

"that I might someday find stars in her glance"....sigh.

Robert Burns

O, my luve's like a red, red rose
That's newly sprung in June
O, my luve's like the melodie
That's sweetly play'd in tune

As fair art thou, my bonie lass
So deep in luve am I
And I will luve thee still, my Dear
Till a' the seas gang dry

Till a' the seas gang dry, my Dear
And the rocks melt wi' the sun!
O I will luve thee still, my Dear
While the sands o' life shall run


Thank you Bruce for making me smile before I go to sleep, *perhaps to dream...:>) .... *huge liberty taken there!
Blessings
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 12:06 AM

sonnet 155 of 233 to my muse...


Sonnet 13/04/04                            CMV

What can I tell muse that would show my mind
And longing for the dreams she offers heart?
How can I with fears of upsetting part,
And hopes for smile within heart and soul bind?
Is there a path to my desires, to find
All I might want to be within my reach?
Can I find words to say, to feelings teach,
Or visions of her light, when soul is blind?
Yet, I find just the thought of her is source
For hope, and dreams, and vision: Might I send
A tithe of my emotions? Dare I give
An echo of the song dreams of smile lend?
I cannot help but hope that hopes might live,
And I might forget all of past remorse.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: GUEST,Life?
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 01:33 AM

Gaaaawd,

Is BB still wittering on???


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 02:27 AM

Yes. Perhaps you would like to have me post a few more sonnets?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 12:00 AM

Well...everyone's always telling me to get a life...now I have one!
Rude: but a life nonetheless.
j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 07:35 AM

and I guess it's going to be me! WOO HOO.
j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 05 - 05:50 PM

sonnet 156 of 234 to my muse...


Sonnet 14/04/04                         CMVI

Can springtime offer me more than I find
In dreams of you? I do not hope to see
A flower to match lips, nor one to be
As soft as look in eyes. I have in mind
Rebirth enough for world: If you are kind,
I will to heavens reach, and brush your cheek
With lips. If only I might hear you speak
Soft words of hope, I would to past be blind.
But, dream does not fill arms, nor lend the gift
Of sharing your sweet looks. I remain far
From heart's desire: I must from your words sift
What hope I can. You remain distant star,
To guide my heart: For now, your smile will lift
My spirits up, and melancholy bar.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 01:09 AM

bad Guest...stealing BB's sonnets and posting them as your own!

j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 06:57 AM

sonnet 157 of 234 to my muse...


Sonnet 16/04/04                            CMVII

I brush my muse's lips, and touch her cheek,
With thought of her soft skin. How can I reach
To touch her heart? What can I say, to teach
The pleasure her smile gives?. My words are weak,
Compared to strength of passion my dreams seek:
All I desire would only give me cause
To want for more: Yet, longing for her draws
My verse beyond myself, to heaven speak.
I run my fingers through her hair, to hold
Some of her softness: Can I hope to feel
Her gentle dreams? I would in arms enfold,
And keep her near, if only dreams were real.
Should I think that I might of my hopes mold
Dream strong enough to her heart hope to steal?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 11:56 PM

sonnet 158 of 234 to my muse...


Sonnet 24/04/04                            CMVIII

Shall I whisper my passions in her ears
To tell what I would of this sweet one ask?
Should I admit I cannot control fears
That she might find cause to take me to task?
I am a fool, to think she does not know
The longing in heart for a gentle touch.
Yet, do I wish to all of longings show,
With reason to think that I care too much?
But I must give my soul, to one who brings
Such hope to all my dreams. I owe her more
Than words might pay: Hers is the voice that sings
The hymns that of my future form the core.
She is my muse, and friend: How might I share
My lusts, and not lose all for which I care?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 05 - 09:48 PM

sonnet 159 of 234 to my muse...


Sonnet 30/04/04                         CMIX

I wonder if dreams are enough, to hold
My hopes from lonely death: I long to feel
The touch of skin, and know that warmth is real.
Yet, thought of you keeps heart from being cold:
Should I allow even my dreams so bold
A vision of desires? Might passions steal
Far more than needed to past heartaches heal?
Still, I'd give soul to muse in arms enfold.
I wonder if I ask too much, to find
In muse more than a friend: I hold you dear
Without a touch. But more than just your mind
Acts to attract my heart: If you were near,
I would not keep from reaching out. Resigned
To fate, I have but dream to hold back tear.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM

sonnet 160 of 234 to my muse...


Sonnet 07/05/04                            CMX

In blossoms heart a simple beauty finds,
With shape and color to attract the eye.
In these gardens, thought of my muse reminds
That hope might pleasure lend, to tears deny.
Breeze, perfumed, soothes a weary heart, to ease
The aches of everyday. Still, I would share
All I have found: A calm, to senses please,
And thoughts of one whose dreams are key to Care.
Sun filtered by new leaves provides a light
To show desire: A shade of bright that lends
More than a hint of longing to my sight.
Do dreams offer a future when tears end?
I plant desire, and wait for dream to grow,
But will I ever touch of my muse know?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 06:51 AM

... and I mark yesterday, the third of April 2005, with a white stone....


8-{E


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 04 Apr 05 - 07:05 AM

The significance of the white stone slips my memory at the moment but I marked the 3rd of April, 2005 with a blizzard and multiple car accidents.

Each to his own.

j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 04:14 PM

42,

You were in multiple car accidents? Everyone ok?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 04:51 PM

sonnet 161 of 235 to my muse...


Sonnet 07/05/04                                  CMXI

I would my muse surround with love, and fill
Her nights with warmth and caring. Should I give
What she might ask, or let my own dreams live
And offer soul to one who holds heart still?
Yet, can I think I might oppose her will,
To take more than she wants? I cannot steal
What is not mine, though my desires might feel
The thought. Her smile gives hope that might past kill.
I see in her far more than smiles, but know
I should of dreams make light: I have no right
To form a future without her consent.
Yet, can I think of her, and not hopes grow
That I might touch her heart? Can dreams invite
A vision that would of concerns repent?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 05:29 PM

from earlier in this thread...

Date: 06 Mar 05 - 03:26 AM

"I mark this day with a white stone," begins the April 25th entry in Charles Dodgson's personal journal for the year 1856. The white stone as marker is an archaic tradition of the Roman poet Catullus, signifying a particularly remarkable or wonderful day (Stoffel, 38).

and

The expression originates in Catullus' "Lapide candidiore diem notare," (Poem 68, line 148) which translates as "to mark with an especially white stone the (lucky) day." The English version was quite commonly used in Victorian times.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 12:02 AM

sonnet 162 of 235 to my muse...


Sonnet 13/05/04                           CMXII

How can I give muse reason to be kind,
And share her thoughts? I cannot her dreams know
Without at least her words: Hope does not find
More than reflection in all my dreams show.
Perhaps I should not for her longings plead:
Can I hope to think hers match my desire?
It is not certainty of heart I need,
But hope enough that dream will Art inspire.
I cannot alter past, nor with dream mold
Tomorrow to my wish. But dream can share
A vision where I might in arms enfold
One for whose smile I choose to always care.
Though I may dream of touch, and long for lips,
It is her soul that into my heart slips.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 05:35 AM

sometimes it really does feel like I am talking to myself.....


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 07:09 AM

I hope you're giving yourself the correct answers...or. if not right, at least inspiring!

I wasn't actually in an accident! The Silver Streak was just acting up and CAA couldn't answer the phone due to the sheer volume of crashes. The weather was truly horrid and a great way to say farewell to an Ontario winter.

"They pronounced all the victims ok" John Prine

j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 06:52 PM

actually, I am asking questions that I do not know the answer to....











four more posts and it will be 42's turn...


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:46 PM

... sonnet 163 of 235 to my muse...



Sonnet 21/05/04                         CMXIII

Might I have feather from an angel's wing,
To be a quill to write of heart's desires?
Might I have laughter that brings touch of spring,
Or smile to give the sight that hope inspires?
I ask for token that you care for one
Not near enough to try to touch your heart.
I need a focus for my thoughts, a sun
To light my dreams and show the path to art.
Might I find future in the thought of eyes
That look into my soul? How shall I seek
To hold what so far beyond my reach lies?
How can I hope to of my desires speak?
Are you the one that all of my dreams hold?
Should my arms hope to such a dream enfold?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 01:08 AM

... sonnet 164 of 235 to my muse...


Sonnet 30/05/04                         CMXIV

Would I might fall asleep, with you within
These arms that long to hold love. Can I find
The will to stay awake, when dreams are blind
To reasons I can never your heart win?
In dream, you remain near: Hope is not sin,
To want to touch you. I'll not hide desire
To trace your curves, and kiss: I do not tire
Of passions that might let future begin.
Yet, dream is not enough: I need to know
That you have smile, and peace in mind, to give
My own heart ease. What can I send, to earn
What I would prize? How can I think to show
What dream of you now means? My hopes can live,
And all of future will to light return.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 11:42 PM

sonnet 165 of 235 to my muse...


Sonnet 01/06/04                        CMXV

She does not know how hard it is to keep
From running there, to seek to see her smile.
She fills my thoughts: Might I hope for a while
To hold her in my dreams? I yearn for sleep
To show desire: Yet, can I from dreams reap
What I should ask of her? How can I think
That I have given care enough to link
Desire to action? Should I for hope weep?
She knows I care: But have I given sign
Of how much I want to give kiss to skin?
What should I do, to give heart hope to win
This muse from whom such longed-for passions flow?
What can I say, to any of dream show,
When all I dream is to hold her as mine?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 08:19 AM

How could I pass up an invitation so eloquent?

My 'spare' time seems to be disappearing somewhere into the ozone and I'm having difficult summoning up the energy to drag myself to the computer with my accustomed enthusiasm.

Don't give up on me yet BB.

j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 04:47 PM

sonnet 166 of 235 to my muse...


Sonnet 07/06/04                            CMXVI

To see my muse removes clouds from my sky,
And fills my heart with longing. Is her glance
For my soft words, or does the reason why
She gives me smile reflect a longed-for chance?
To read words from my muse gives me a touch
Of what she thinks, and how she views this plane.
I want far more: I want to know how much
My verse might reach to soul, to hopes explain.
To hold her in arms would be to hold all
That dream might find in vision of desires.
How can I hoped for care less than love call
When she is source of dreams that hope inspires?
I worry about muse, because I fear
I cannot hold angel forever here.


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 06:25 PM

If you can't hold angels, at least hold your breath.
j


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 06:27 PM

forever?


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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: 42
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 06:28 PM

no, not forever!
j


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