BS: UK thread, Politics and political

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:09 AM

" is totally inefective, completely and totally ineffective"
Good tio hear
He's a Tory in mufti - no wonder you admire him Bozo - that confirms what he is
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:16 AM

Interesting points made by Paul Lewis on his Twitter Feed, suggesting that a cull of the sick and elderly in order to benefit the insurance and pensions industry could have been one of the driving forces behind the government’s ‘herd-immunity’ and ‘take it on the chin’ bollix during the early part of the Covid-19 pandemic in the UK.

It’s occurred to me more than once that, knowing this government’s predilection for taking care of the welfare of the wealthy and big business, rather than that of the proles, this may very well be at the core of their thinking and lack of timely, positive action.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:44 AM

Re VE Day, my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, with photos, "Remember Them?"

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 20 - 07:59 AM

"Don't forget that with the exception of Kier Starmer, whom I have a lot of time for, is totally inefective, completely and totally ineffective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Who or what is "inefective" (???) Bonzo, you don't actually say.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 20 - 08:09 AM

Don't play with your food Rag - what have you been told :-)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 20 - 08:20 AM

Put your own house in order first Jim.

YOU are the worst offender in this regard by a country mile. Don't tell me who I can or cannot respond to until such times as you follow your own "advice"

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 08 May 20 - 08:42 AM

Interesting points made by Paul Lewis on his Twitter Feed, suggesting that a cull of the sick and elderly in order to benefit the insurance and pensions industry could have been one of the driving forces behind the government’s ‘herd-immunity’ and ‘take it on the chin’ bollix during the early part of the Covid-19 pandemic in the UK.

It’s occurred to me more than once that, knowing this government’s predilection for taking care of the welfare of the wealthy and big business, rather than that of the proles, this may very well be at the core of their thinking and lack of timely, positive action.
So backwoodsman by repeating a twitter feed you are accusing the   UK   government of deliberately exposing care home inhabitants to risk and thereby murdering them. Rather a ridiculous assertion as that is the demographic that most heavily supports the Tories,   Was it the tories causing the excessive care home deaths documented in other countries as well?
   
Deliberate cull is a slur that really needs a little more to back it up. For anyone not on the left such posts would be construed as deliberate trolling. That is why you posted such a   totally unfounded reckless accusation.
However   had   you posted:Last week, Keir Starmer was forced to admonish Diane Abbott and Bell Ribeiro-Addy for taking part in a Zoom chat with a number of notorious Labour antisemites, including Jackie Walker and Tony Greenstein. His warning clearly made no difference as just a day later Abbott and Ribeiro-Addy – who this time was hosting – held a Zoom festival sharing a platform with notorious Anti-Zionist Chris Williamson supporter Lindsey German. This time the pair were joined by Jeremy Corbyn and Apsana Begum…
That is    well documented   and true. Keir Starmer passed up the opportunity to act the first time Abbott and Ribeiro-Addy shared an online platform with antisemites, will he assert his authority this time?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 20 - 08:50 AM

"Put your own house in order first Jim."
It was a joke rag - couldn't you tell
I don't tell others who to post to - nobody should
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 20 - 09:20 AM

The government has been widely criticised for their poor response to the Corona Virus.

They appear to have learnt little from the advice they have received from the scientific community and now they are seeking to limit the damage to themselves from that inaction.



Inaction

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Barb'ry
Date: 08 May 20 - 10:10 AM


Bonzo, if someone, somewhere but not me, were to say, "right wing, gold medal goose stepping droolers..." wherever in social media those people may be it would be bound to upset someone, somewhere and could cause unwanted and vociferous attention. This, in turn, could in some circles be called trolling, which, as you know is forbidden on this place on social media. Please desist.
Anyone of a different political persuasion making similar comments that may be considered trolling, should also desist.
Thanking you all
b

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 20 - 10:26 AM

HERE
Jim Cattoll

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 May 20 - 11:42 AM

There he goes again, insults then says it's a joke!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 20 - 11:51 AM

The reason this Tory government is culpable apropos of care homes ("culpable" being tantamount to causing many hundreds of unnecessary deaths) is that they allowed the country to enter this pandemic with nothing like sufficient PPE resources. What resources were available were generally diverted away from care homes into hospitals. On the day that two nurses fully clad in PPE were tending every minute of the day to Boris Johnson in hospital, care workers and care home residents all over the country were being relentlessly exposed to infection. OK for some, eh? The Tories have been in charge for ten years. They ignored Exercise Cygnus in 2016 which had modelled a pandemic and shudderingly accurately predicted a terrifying shortfall in NHS resources. Not only did they not act on it, they didn't exactly make the findings public. So I'm holding this Tory government one hundred percent to blame for the disaster in so many care homes. Since 2016 they've had their eye off the ball, pursuing instead a stupid brexit strategy.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 08 May 20 - 01:05 PM

If what you say is true care home deaths in the UK would be anomalously high compared to the rest of   Europe. This is demonstrably untrue.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-was-devastating-europes-nursing-homes-well-before-the-us-here-are-the-lessons-they
and

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52399869
This   would suggest you are posting   provocatve fake   news

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 20 - 02:23 PM

Telling us that other countries are just as bad is no excuse. And there is nothing fake about the factual content of my post. You are trolling again.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 May 20 - 02:28 PM

What a god-awfule competition to become involved in - Engliish deaths v Irish deaths
THESE ARE THE STATISTICS THAT MATTER, espacilailly to relatives who have someone in such homes to worry about
OR THESE
AND THIS HORRIFIC FACT
Jim Caaarroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 May 20 - 02:57 PM

Telling us that other countries are just as bad is no excuse. And there is nothing fake about the factual content of my post.

You mean like: The reason this Tory government is culpable apropos of care homes ("culpable" being tantamount to causing many hundreds of unnecessary deaths)
Definitely untrue! The deaths are 'caused' by the virus. The government may not have prevented them, but that is not the same as 'causing' them.
Based on the comparison with other countries (Valid, even if you dislike any facts posted by Iains), it is uncertain whether earlier intervention in care homes (or more PPE) would have greatly reduced the casualty numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 20 - 03:16 PM

"it is uncertain whether earlier intervention in care homes (or more PPE) would have greatly reduced the casualty numbers."

Sorry Nigel this statement is abject nonsense.

Had the PPE required been available, had the information regarding the virus been available earlier, if the carers had more reliable information, if the government had done more to prevent the spread of the virus of course the casualty numbers would have been lower.

I think you are trying to excuse the inexcusable.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 May 20 - 03:51 PM

There is a difference between: "it is uncertain whether earlier intervention in care homes (or more PPE) would have greatly reduced the casualty numbers."

And: "the casualty numbers would have been lower."

I think you are trying to excuse the inexcusable.

I am not trying to excuse anything. Just pointing out the arrant nonsense posted by Steve Shaw, and presumably accepted, without question, by those who feel that, whatever they do, the government cannot be doing the right thing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 08 May 20 - 03:55 PM

I merely point out the facts. Others like to revel in the blame game.
Care homes are filled with people in need of care. This is a no brainer.
That they are vulnerable is a given.
From the nursing times:(14 August, 2017)
"Care home residents share air, space, food and equipment, so they also share organisms that can easily cause infection outbreaks, such as viruses and bacteria. They are also more prone and vulnerable to infections, which can lead to death."
The most common types of disease outbreaks in care homes are outbreaks of respiratory infections (often caused by influenza viruses), and gastrointestinal infections (often caused by noroviruses) (Utsumi et al, 2010; Strausbaugh et al, 2003). Some organisms can cause more than one type of infection; for example, Streptococcus pyogenes and multi-drug-resistant organisms (MDROs) such as meticillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) can cause skin, urinary tract, and bloodstream infections (Steer et al, 2012; Utsumi et al, 2012).
"
In a literature review of 206 infection outbreaks in care facilities for older people, the respiratory tract was involved in 45% of outbreaks, the gastrointestinal tract in 36%, the skin in 7% and the eyes in 2%. Only four organisms – influenza virus, norovirus, salmonella and S pyogenes – made up more than 50% of all infectious agents involved (Utsumi et al, 2012)."
Seems clear to me the experts knew Covid-19 could be a severe problem based on previous knowledge. More than a whiff of incompetance in my book. Though according to your own jaundiced view it is a case of paying peanuts and getting monkeys. though of course you rather implied it rather than coming straight out and saying it. Hardly PC in my book.
It doesn't help that the staff are just about the lowest-paid in the land, receive only the most basic training and are daily confronted with some tasks that many of us would find unpleasant. Mr Shaw
and Mr Carroll
What Seve said about overworked, underpaid and unappreciated care-home workers - with knobs on

Infection in care homes has been a well-recognised problem for years. It is the professionals should have been on the ball, why not place blame where blame is due. The NHS is one of the largest employers in the world, presumably they have one or two experts on the payroll.. They are the body that took their eye off the ball, why keeping trying to shove blame on the government?

Some of these comments are in really bad taste, Iain, namely the Shipman/Liverpool pathway comments. I have removed this part of your post.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 20 - 04:24 PM

This is not a trolling statement, Nigel, but a simple request: don't say such damn stupid things. Over and out with you, so say what you like.

The facts are really simple. The government had ignored the findings of the 2016 Cygnus exercise, which clearly found that that the NHS would be appallingly unfit for purpose in any future epidemic. The upshot was that when this pandemic struck there was a serious shortage of the protective equipment THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAD BEEN AMPLY WARNED ABOUT AND WHICH THEY HAD DONE NOTHING IN ALMOST FOUR YEARS TO RECTIFY. The Tories, along with their LibDem lackeys for part of the time, have been in charge for TEN YEARS. So yes, I'm blaming the Tories. Not the care homes, who have struggled without the kit that has been diverted to hospitals. That you can blame "the professionals" in care homes is shameful. My mum is in a care home near me. They have struggled like mad, successfully, to keep Coronavirus out. I haven't seen my mum for two months. Large numbers of their staff have been forced to self-isolate and lots of them are working extra shifts in a situation in which they live in fear, both of taking the bug back to their families or of importing it into the home. The two managers are the sweetest people in the world and have been tearing their hair out to keep the place afloat. Most of the rest of the staff are on the minimum wage. Several are women who have been unable to go back to their own countries because of the lockdown. One lovely girl from Romania should have been home six weeks ago to get married. She's still here, doing FaceTime with me and my mum, and I've never caught her without a smile on her face.

"Infection in care homes has been a well-recognised problem for years. It is the professionals should have been on the ball, why not place blame where blame is due."

Jesus Christ. The things you haven't a bloody CLUE about...

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 04:40 PM

Arrant nonsense is the white noise of social media Nigel.
It is the chaos of crashing waves or the roars of waterfalls.
Some find it soothing to create their own.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Donuel
Date: 08 May 20 - 05:13 PM

The realistic number of those infected in the US is somewhere between a minimum of 10 million and a maximum of unknown.

The stated infected numbers are arrant nonsense that some believe calms the public.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 May 20 - 05:31 PM

Wrong thread Don?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:32 PM

For me, when someone says

"it is uncertain whether earlier intervention in care homes (or more PPE) would have greatly reduced the casualty numbers"

it is the word 'greatly' that leaps out. What is that supposed to mean? I imagine a conversation saying

"Sir, if we can provide more PPE we can cut the casualties by 5%"
"Only 5%? Not worth doing then."

Why insist on 'greatly reducing'?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 20 - 06:39 PM

"One of the things Ireland is streets ahead on is the respect shown for the elderly"

This post has been partly deleted because in drawing my attention to an offensive post, it repeated the words used.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:13 AM

It is rumoured that one of the changes on Sunday is that arrivals from overseas will have to self isolate on arrival. They will do this apparently by filling in a form giving the address at which they will be self isolating.

On the 'every little helps' principle, this is a step in the right direction, and should be welcomed as such. But it is a bit tiny, is it not? Are we going to have people visiting these addresses to check up whether people are self isolating? Just because you are there are the moment of such an inspection says little about whether you have been there the rest of the time.   Telephoning them to check will obviously not work unless it is a fixed line. (Although the technology exists to check where a mobile is, it is not as straightforward as the films and TV shows suggest, not least because the information needed is distributed across several private companies.) And I could imagine diplomatic problems arising from it if someone is found to be breaking self isolation.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:15 AM

THe care home situation in Ireland is admittedly bad, but nowhere near as bad as Ireland, long admitted to and being worked on - Ireland is a poor country thanks to the Bankers and never has been able to afford a national Health Service, but in general, the medacal facilities are second to none
Even the richest nations have not been able to cope in this situation
In the US, they check your wallet before they check your pulse - if you can't afford treatment you die - simple as that
Britain - among the wealthiest nation in te world has watched as the National Health Service - set up by Labour and opposed by the Tories - has been run to a hand-to-mouth situation with nursing sytaff being overworked and paid a pittance - nurses falling asleep at work and going home worrying how to feed their families (if they can afford them) doesn't happen here
Add the fact the the British National Health Service would have long ground to a halt if it hadn't been for the Irish and despised immigrant medical staff hadn't been prepared to put up with these appalling conditions, (not to mention the ant- Irish, anti-black racism they had to put up with)
I know from family experience how badly Irish nurses were paid and sometimes treated - two of my aunts suffered the NHS ordeal as dedicated nurses

The despicable comparing of the Irish to Britain's own worst mass murderer is pretty typical of Britain's present racism problem that Brexit has helped to generate - I couldn't be more grateful for the example - the real "Doctor Shipman" is the scumbag non--elected main-man who proposed a prioritising a "survival of the fittest" treatment scheme
Let's move away from this cess pit level eh ?

A reminder of the real situation in the UK
Its report comes amid calls for accurate data on virus-linked deaths.
Only 217 such care home deaths have been officially recorded in England and Wales up to 3 April.
That was the situation in 19th April - the Government only admitted there WAS a problem a couple of days ago, when Johnson was forced to apologise and has yet to begin tackling it
Given the discrepency between the reported between reported and actual figures, I wonder if those understanding percentages better than I do (not hard to find) could work out the present ACTUAL FIGURES OF DEATH HOMES CARES RATHER THAN THE GOVERNMENT HYPED-UP ONES
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:16 AM

"not only trolling but also in extremely bad taste."
And downright racist
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 05:48 AM

The ineptitude which has led to the leaks about what will happen on Monday apropos of relaxing the lockdown is legendary. "Mixed messages" doesn't even begin to cut it. I'd welcome garden centres reopening. It's an outrageous anomaly that pokey little gardening corners in supermarkets (thinking of the Morrisons and B&M that I know), in which social distancing is well-nigh impossible, can sell what they like while thousands of tons of young plants are rotting away in well-organised and spacious garden centres.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 07:05 AM

An article in yesterday's Guardian ('Harvesting' is a terrible word – but it's what has happened in Britain's care homes by Richard Coker) gives the lie to the claims, oft repeated here, that the government is not to blame for the dreadful death toll in care homes. The non-joined-up policies since the start of the outbreak, starting with bodged thinking on herd immunity, then no testing or contact tracing in care homes, then PPE diverted away from care homes, has led to a situation now out of control, and in which anything now done will be too little, too late. And before anyone thinks of dissing the article as typical Guardian leftie-peftie piffle, so often the kneejerk reaction here, they'd be well advised to investigate just briefly how well-qualified Professor Coker is to speak on this.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 May 20 - 07:22 AM

Well it does look like garden centres will be opening this week.

I agree that talk of 'relaxing' the lockdown has not and does not help the situation at all. The media do not help in this situation as they have been asking when is the lockdown going to be relaxed from very early on. The government should say they are looking at it and will make an announcement when the time is right, rather than drop hints early on. The way they announced the closure of pubs was a good way of doing it.

With regards to relaxing the lockdown, can any of you UK posters tell me if you have seen any masks for sale in local shops? I have not seen any on my shopping trips.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 08:30 AM

Whatever the cause, it seems the UK will be high on the list of the hardest hit countries economically, if the depressing BBC news report is anything to go by
The Air industry is talking about mass closures and bankruptcy if the 14 day quarantine for incomers is enforced
Catering businesses interviewed say they can't possibly survive enforced social distancing - it will more than half reduce custom in many places
Percentages aside,
It seems to me, as many countries are now returning to normal or talking about it, the fact that Britain is moving in the opposite direction is an indication that either it was hit harder than elsewhere or someone at the wheel wasn't looking where they were going
If it hadn't been for 'The Pond, Britain and the U.S. would have been in a massive pile-up
All very depressing
Why the **** did it have to be the ***** garden centres that survived :-)
Must get strimming
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:26 AM

What I was referring to was that the popular press has been implying a significant relaxation of lockdown was imminent and so popular opinion might decide that they could breach the rules early.

For what it is worth, a friend lives in a tower block, overlooking a nearby shore. She is reporting the area is teeming with people.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 09:40 AM

There's been an increase in road traffic in north Cornwall from next to nothing six weeks ago to near-normal now.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: DMcG
Date: 09 May 20 - 10:09 AM

"Mixed messages" doesn't even begin to cut it.

There seems to be some sections of the press and media that want to draw parallels between the virus and the last war, and looking at the PM's response to Keir Starmer saying we want to get 'these measures' (the context explains what they are) under way:


We will want, if we possibly can, to get going with some of these measures on Monday


... which led to all the tabloid 'Happy Monday' stuff.

So here is a wartime slogan to practice:

CARELESS TALK COSTS LIVES

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 20 - 10:47 AM

THe care home situation in Ireland is admittedly bad, but nowhere near as bad as Ireland, long admitted to and being worked on - Ireland is a poor country thanks to the Bankers and never has been able to afford a national Health Service, but in general, the medacal facilities are second to none
Rubbish
Ireland a poor coutry You're avin a laugh! In terms of GDP Ireland ranks no 18 in the EU. In terms of GDP per capita, Ireland is ranked as one of the wealthiest countries in the OECD and the EU-27, at 4th in the OECD-28 rankings. They could well afford a NHS if the will was there.
Ireland ranks no   6 in the world for per capita GDP.
If you want to know what poor is try visiting a few Subsaharan countries, or somewhere like the Yemen. Until you have seen grinding poverty firsthand you have no idea

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 11:17 AM

2Ireland a poor coutry You're avin a laugh! "
In terms of grown, industry and land usage Ireland is a poor country - the Brits made sure of that when they partitioned Ireland and kept the most arable land and most industrialised counties under British rule leaving "a country where there is not enough water to drown a man, wood enough to hang one, nor earth enough to bury him."
The greatest legacy they left was continual emigration in serch of work - The Celtic Tiger was a sort burst which with the help of EU membership began to turn Ireland;'s fortunes in the right direction - but International bankers, vulture capitalism
Ireland is typical of countries that started out hopefully but fell into bad company

I wll know your view of Ireland - it is typical of what has cuased many Irish fiends from posting to this forum - please don't post these views with your distorted figures to me again to me again - I've had enough of such company
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 11:18 AM

Bet you loved my "fiends" typo - too long in the sun today
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 20 - 12:23 PM

By all internationally accepted metrics Ireland   is a rich country.   Constant denial does not gain credibility.

please don't post these views with your distorted figures to me again to me again - I've had enough of such company
When in a hole tis best to stop digging.
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/


https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/richest-countries-in-the-world/
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/richest-countries-in-the-world/
Why not just accept that by continuing this you are just making a fool of yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 20 - 12:48 PM

And before anyone thinks of dissing the article as typical Guardian leftie-peftie piffle, so often the kneejerk reaction here,
It is an opinion piece in the gruniard ='nuff said!

Interesting article from a couple of weeks ago:
"Patients transferred into nursing homes from hospitals hit by Covid-19 sparked fatal outbreaks among vulnerable residents, nursing home operators have claimed.

Despite the risks associated with these transfers, the Health Service Executive emptied as many hospital beds as possible in this fashion as it prepared to deal with the pandemic.

Hospital patients were deemed eligible for transfer to care homes even if they were showing symptoms and had been identified as close contacts of others who were Covid-positive.
Did this not happen in the UK? Where was the protest off the healthcare professionals? If government is supposed to involve itself in the minutiae of the health service we can double the frontline staff and cull the backroom pencilpushers. Care to explain why this is not the case? There seems a distinct lack of accountability when the shit hits the fan. Just continual finger pointing at the government.
How lucky we are that Labour lost the election, Corbyn running the show wouldbe the stuff of nightmares.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 01:07 PM

It's not the wealth but who owns it and how it's spent
Britain ranks among the highest YET

AND

The decline in health care in Britain is one of the factors that has led to it being among the forerunners in virus casualties, way in front of Ireland
It's not how much wealth is available but who controls how it is spent
Ireland still has no industial base - before the EU it's road system was a mess
Ireland is a poor country in terms of how the money can be spent and Britain's role in keeping it divided by sectariianism has helped maintain that position
It is significant that both Brexit and this crisis has moved a UNited Ireland several giant strides nearer
Address th position of Britain's murderous role in this criis rather than this racist bullshit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 01:19 PM

Two more Iains trolling posts in a row.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 20 - 01:52 PM

Address th position of Britain's murderous role in this criis rather than this racist bullshit
Jim Carroll
I hope the mods will see fit to delete this anglophobic rubbish

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 20 - 02:19 PM

"I hope the mods will see fit to delete this anglophobic rubbish"
Sed the feller who claims British police are corrupt, British courts are biased, the British press comes a poor second to a criminal right wing blogger and the British democratic system is shit if it doesn't follow the orders of an unelectes right-wing scumbag
Yeh -well - we'll hav to think anout that carefully won't wee ?
Please stop driving my Irish friends from posting to this multi-racial forum (supposedly)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:49 PM

Corbyn running the show wouldbe the stuff of nightmares, quote
well johnson has not done very well at all
i think corbyn would have done better

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 May 20 - 03:55 PM

Don’t fall for ‘Whataboutery’ of that kind, Dick.
What Corbyn would, wouldn’t, might, might not, have done is utterly irrelevant.
It’s a ploy by the Right-Wing Extremist to divert attention from the failure of this Conservative government.
It isn’t worth the energy it takes to respond to it.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 20 - 04:00 PM

Jeremy Corbyn, had he been elected, would have faced exactly the same dilemmas as Johnson, dilemmas created by ten long years of Tory neglect of the NHS and the complacent setting aside of a study that predicted with shuddering accuracy that the NHS would not be fit for purpose in a pandemic. Whether he would have done better is academic. I like to think that he would have been far more honest with the people than this current lying bunch of shysters, and that he would have paid far more attention to care homes, rather than let them rot, as with this incompetent lot.

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Iains
Date: 09 May 20 - 05:05 PM

Sed the feller who claims British police are corrupt, British courts are biased, the British press comes a poor second to a criminal right wing blogger and the British democratic system is shit if it doesn't follow the orders of an unelectes right-wing scumbag

Looks like a personal attack accompaied by a pack of lies!

Subject: RE: BS: UK thread, Politics and political
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 20 - 05:23 PM

Yeah, right. And butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.