BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 07:42 PM

"I do not defend any "fascist information," but could find no fault with the list posted by Bobad.
Neither could you Jim.
Neither could Greg.
Neither could Muppet.
No-one could, so it is probably accurate."

Oh well, that's it then! Four blokes on an obscure niche music website, two of whom were certainly not trying to find fault, couyldn't find fault.

Fan-bloody-tastic!

And that is to be accepted as gospel (according to one of the non tryers)?

Jesus fucking wept! Talk about Hubris!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 03:06 PM

"from a carefully selected group of historians."
Seems like Keith has found himself a new religion - started off well
"There is only one true historian -
Thou shalt worship no her historian than mine"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 02:51 PM

"Well, Jim started off about magic wands & pantomimes. "
My exact feelings about all religions - pleased to see we can agree on something.
Happy New Year Mike - don't work too hard - and don't forget "Nobody loves a fairy when she's (past) forty"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 02:11 PM

I used in fact to do the village pantomime ~~ Haddenham, Cambs is noted around this part of the Fens for its home-made pantomimes: Norma Major came once when Sir John was MP for nearby Huntingdon. I was once a Dr Who, and once a Merry Man in Robin Hood who got shot in the bottom with an arrow. But you will be disappointed to learn that I was never a Fairy Godmother; when we did Cinderella, I was an Ugly Sister ~~ sorry! And I've got too old to do it any more, alas. So I have no wands to wave.

HNY right back 2U, James.

What, you might well ask, has this to do the thread? Well, Jim started off about magic wands & pantomimes. Anyway, just where did those shepherds wash their socks then, at that?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 01:47 PM

Quite a large group Greg, and not carefully selected.
Not selected at all.
You can not find one.
NOT A SINGLE ONE!
Bad luck Greg.
You got it wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 12:26 PM

but I do learn from historians.

Not quite, Keith. You "learn"[sic] from a carefully selected group of historians.

Its the old ruse of adopting a position and then searching and carefully selecting material to suppost that position.

That is not "learning" nor is it the way serious historians or students of history behave.

Its complete bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 11:52 AM

Given back to the people who have been driven out since the treaty Mike - who else?
The peace treaty that is being deliberately sabotaged by Israeli aggression (Government policy Boo Boo) could save thousands of Israeli and Palestinian lives and pave the way for permanent peace in the Middle East.
I assume you don't want to comment on the wrecking tactics of the Israeli regime - like your soulmates here!!
I had little doubt that you would be lurking somewhere waving your magic wand - shouldn't you be rehearsing for a pantomime somewhere?
Seasons....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 09:01 AM

I see that Hezbollah is doing their part for the peace process: Rockets fired from Lebanon into Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 08:09 AM

"Given back" to whom, Jim? To the Ottoman Empire, the previous owners? I think not.

But I know from experience that it is no use trying to approach you with anything resembling facts on this topic, & it will only degenerate again into accusations of a hurtful nature both ways, so I have now done with this thread,

Hope all had a Merry Xmas. Happy New Year to one & all, Gentile or Jew Or you who turn the wheel and look to windward...

~M~

Not sure what this last bit means: it's from Eliot's The Waste Land, for anyone who may claim to be able to make heads or tails of that fraudulent load of old bum!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 07:13 AM

I do not rewrite History, but I do learn from historians.
I am not so arrogant and stupid as to believe I know more than them!

I do not defend any "fascist information," but could find no fault with the list posted by Bobad.
Neither could you Jim.
Neither could Greg.
Neither could Muppet.
No-one could, so it is probably accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 06:49 AM

Given back - and kept the plum bits for themselves
Go back to rewriting WW1 history and defending fascist 'information' from 'Muslim Watch' - you are not much good at this - or at that either, but at least your other efforts are good for a laugh!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 05:01 AM

the Israelis have slaughteres and continue to slaughter to gain territory

They are not much good at it then.
They have gained none since their defensive war of 1973, and have given away territories bigger than UK!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 04:47 AM

Yjere are illegal settlement - and there always have been - the Israelis have slaughteres and continue to slaughter to gain territory - which is the start and finish of the trouble in he Middle East.
100+ American vetoes have stood between Israel being indicted as the war criminal she is.
The peace treaty has provided a straw to grasp to end the trouble - the Israelis, from the beginning of negotiations, has done her best to scupper those efforts - why shouldn't she - she has the nuclear weapons and the US veto on her side.
You people have chosen to side with a war criminal and human rights abuser - and you scurry back into your rat-holes whenever Israel's atrocities are held up in front of you.
Why not try your 'Muslim Watch' fascist website again - that might have something to can put up in their defence?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 01:45 PM

There are no illegal settlements - unless of course one assumes that Jews should not own property or build in those areas because they are Jews. Every current Jewish "settlement" is on land owned by Jews before 1948 or purchased after 1967. Settlements that tried to set up on land that was not Jewish owned have been dismantled. We continue to hear the term "illegal", but "legal and illegal" has to be more that political desires and interests. It has to refer to law. And, frankly, law established during the illegal Jordanian occupation of the area in which Jewish property was confiscated and retitled, and current PA regulations that ban sales or ownership of property by Jews is not valid.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 12:37 PM

Soldiers being killed by their victims - what a shame.
A government deliberately prolonging a long running conflict caused by annexing lands illegally - by annexing more land in the middle of a peace conference - a crime against humanity.
While Israel continues to occupy and extend its occupation of Palestinian lands people - Israelis and Palestinians will continue to die - simple logic
As still you bunch of morons refuse to comment on Israeli aggression
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 11:23 AM

Who's trying to sabotage the peace conference again?

"A soldier is murdered by a Palestinian co-worker, another soldier is killed by a sniper near Hebron, a 9-year-old is wounded next to her Psagot home from a terrorist's gunshot, a reserve colonel is murdered by Palestinians outside his house in the Jordan Valley, a soldier is wounded by an explosive hidden in a tunnel on the Gaza Strip border, another soldier is stabbed to death by a Palestinian on a bus in Afula, an explosion in a Bat Yam bus is averted due to a passenger's alertness and several hours later a Defense Minister employee is shot dead by a sniper, a Jerusalem policeman is almost run over. Six Israelis have been murdered since the negotiations with the Palestinians were renewed, and there were some 600 other violent nationalistic events."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 09:59 AM

"Ah yes, the usual insightful and helpful contribution to the topic by the usual suspects."
And the silent supporters of Israeli terrorism by the usual apologist - not helpful, but certainly enlightening.
Don't suppose you have any comments on the Israeli attempts to sabotage the peace conference yet again Boo-Boo - no? - thought not
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 09:45 AM

Ah yes, the usual insightful and helpful contribution to the topic by the usual suspects.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 08:13 AM

Absolutely - they'll be back when they've finished fighting the good fight for Christians and telling it how if was in WW1
Happy New year Muskie

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 08:03 AM

First time I looked at this thread. Usual apologists I see.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Dec 13 - 06:52 AM

Israel has made it quite clear throughout the peace talks (that dare not mention their name in some quarters) by it's aggressive and hostile behaviour to any form of settlement that does not include further illegal settlements
The Israeli regime have announced further settlements in the last few days
As someone rightly said - "Small hope for Israel/Palestine" thanks to such warlike actions
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 08:27 PM

Historian Says Bugs Bunny Might be Jewish

A noted Jewish-British cinematic historian has claimed that the world's most famous rabbit displays prominent Jewish characteristics. According to film scholar David Yehuda Stern, Bugs Bunny was created by a Jewish producer, lived in a Jewish neighborhood, has a distinctly New York/Jewish accent and uses his wit and sense of humor to avoid all attempts to eliminate him.

Stern revealed his findings at a lecture held recently at Britain's University of Warwick, Israeli daily Ma'ariv reported. Stern, who watched thousands of animated shorts that feature Bugs Bunny, noted in his presentation that there are Jewish fingerprints all over the smart aleck cartoon character, including the very voice of Bugs Bunny – Jewish actor Mel Blanc.

Stern's exhaustive study even included the findings of one specific cartoon episode in which Bugs Bunny flashes back to his childhood. The New York neighborhood Bugs grew up in is teeming with obviously Jewish characters, such as ultra-Orthodox Jews and other stereotypically Eastern European figures from the turn of the 20th century.

Stern closed his case for Bugs Bunny being Jewish by reminding his audience that the legendary rabbit's arch nemesis is…Porky Pig. The pig, of course, is Judaism's quintessentially unclean animal.

Lastly, Stern joked that the word 'rabbit' becomes 'rabbi' if you just get rid of the final letter…

Bugs! buballeh! Welcome home!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 12:44 PM

the 77% of Israeli Palestinians who say they would rather live in the state of Israel...

Source for this figure?

Stockholm syndrome, or just plain desperation?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 08:16 AM

So Greg, I suppose you'd call the 77% of Israeli Palestinians who say they would rather live in the state of Israel than any where else in the world "uncle Toms" too. Astonishing arrogance even for an ideologue.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 01:42 AM

Is there a word that describes a people who give care and comfort to their sworn enemies?
The nearest I can think of is "Good Samaritan."

Are there any examples of Jews receiving such care from their enemies?
Are there "hundreds, possibly thousands" but you can't produce one Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 12:25 PM

By the way, BooBad, what are "uncle Tom" and "oreo" in Hebrew? Or in Arabic, for that matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 12:24 PM

And she's still a token Muslim, very much like the token Black folks in the U.S & elsewhere, trotted out for convenience & PR purposes.

So what?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 10:41 AM

"Yet another hypocrite who directed the world to sever ties with Israel until he needed what Israel had to offer. And Israel provided even Sarraj with its best medical care."

Dead Gaza BDS Advocate Sought Israeli Medical Care

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 10:35 AM

Well *I* would gather that she knows much more about freedom, liberties and academic opportunities in Israel than you do, contrary to what you like to think.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 10:18 AM

And what are we to gather from a token Muslim, BooBad?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 05:38 PM

"On trips to Europe, Ali-Selah said that people she met were surprised to learn that Israeli Arabs studied engineering and medicine in Israel, and that they lived among Jews. She points to this lack of awareness as helping to perpetuate the falsehood—strengthened by BDS and Boycotters like Roger Waters — that Israel is an apartheid state –which denies a fundamental truth: Arabs, and in particular Arab women, have more freedom, liberties and academic opportunities in Israel than in any Arab country."

Guess Who's Valedictorian at Israel's Top Medical School?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 08:16 AM

Iran Must Not Be Allowed to Remain Nuclear

If there is one lesson I hope the world has learned from the past it is that regimes rooted in brutality must never be trusted. And the words and actions of the leadership of Iran leave no doubt as to their intentions.

Should the civilized nations of the world trust a regime whose supreme leader said yet again last month that Israel is "doomed to annihilation," and referred to my fellow Jewish Zionists as "rabid dogs?"

Should we who believe in human rights, trust a regime which in the 21st century stones women and hangs homosexuals?

Should we who believe in freedom trust a regime which murdered its own citizens in the streets of Tehran when the people protested a stolen election in the Green Revolution of Summer, 2009?

Should we who believe in the United States trust a regime whose parliament last month erupted in "Death to America" chants as they commemorated the 34th anniversary of the storming of our Embassy in Tehran?

Should we who believe in life trust a regime whom our own State Department lists as one of the world's foremost sponsors of terrorism?

America, too, defines itself by its words and actions. America adopted me, as it did so many others, and gave me a home after my people were exterminated in the camps of Europe. And from the time of the founding fathers America has always stood up to tyrants. Our nation is morally compromised when it contemplates allowing a country calling for the destruction of the State of Israel to remain within reach of nuclear weapons.

Sanctions have come at a terrible economic cost for the people of Iran. But, unfortunately, sanctions are what have brought the Iranian regime to the negotiating table.

I appeal to President Obama and Congress to demand, as a condition of continued talks, the total dismantling of Iran's nuclear infrastructure and the regime's public and complete repudiation of all genocidal intent against Israel. And I appeal to the leaders of the United States Senate to go forward with their vote to strengthen sanctions against Iran until these conditions have been met.

I once wrote that history has taught us to trust the threats of our enemies more than the promises of our friends. Our enemies are making serious threats. It is time to take them seriously. It is time for our friends to keep their promises.

Elie Wiesel

Nobel Peace Laureate

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 17 Dec 13 - 12:15 PM

The Palestinian Red Line
By Prof. Efraim Inbar December 16, 2013

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 227

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: PA leader Mahmoud Abbas views recognition of Israel as the Jewish state as a red line. It is high time the Palestinians recognize the Jewish people's right to their ancient homeland, as Israel already recognized Palestinian rights in the land 35 years ago.

The media reported that Mahmoud Abbas, head of the Palestinian Authority (PA), rejected the peace proposals submitted by US Secretary of State John Kerry. The Palestinians leaked that Abbas sent a letter to Kerry reiterating his complete opposition to the demand to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. This was declared a "red line" that the Palestinians will not cross.

This "red line" is not just about semantics, but rather the essence of the conflict. The Palestinian position amounts to denying the Jews the right to establish their state in their homeland. It also indicates without any doubt that the Palestinians, despite the conventional wisdom, are not ready to reach a historic compromise with Zionism, the Jewish national revival movement. Therefore, a stable peace based on mutual recognition and ending all demands is not in the cards. The weak PA seems to accept partition of Mandatory Palestine into two states – perhaps in accordance with the PLO's stages approach – but it still refrains from accepting the legitimacy of the Zionist enterprise.

This is in stark contrast to Israel, which recognized the "legitimate rights of the Palestinians" in the September 1978 Camp David Accords, and is ready for generous territorial concessions in order to implement a partition of the Land of Israel/Palestine. The bitter truth is that the asymmetry in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has not changed for over a century. In essence, this ethno-religious conflict is not about territory – although it obviously has a territorial dimension – but about securing the recognition of the other side to national rights in a given territory.

Despite the image of untrustworthiness in keeping written agreements, Palestinians actually give great importance to the language used in the documents they are asked to sign. Yasser Arafat, generally viewed by most Israelis as an accomplished liar, refused in 2000 to sign an agreement that included a clause about an end to all demands. For him the conflict could end only with Israel's eventual demise. Similarly, Abbas cannot bring himself to put his signature to a document which says that the Jews have returned to their homeland. We know that the perception of Jews being foreign invaders of Palestine is a fundamental widespread Palestinian attitude, which is instilled in the younger generations in the PA-run schools.

The entrenchment of such attitudes is clear also by the lack of a debate among the Palestinians whether to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Discussing Jewish rights to the Land of Israel is not conceivable in the current intra-Palestinian deliberations. Not even the so-called Palestinian moderates are calling for a debate among the Palestinians on whether to recognize the right of self-determination of the Jews in their historic homeland. Palestinian polls do not ask whether Israel should be recognized as a Jewish state. Normative language mentioning rights and international norms in Palestinian discourse is reserved for Palestinian demands only, and is never applied to understand what Israelis want.

The efforts of the Palestinian media to negate the Jewish past and historic links to the Temple Mount, and even the Western Wall, indicate an ideological commitment to rewriting history. Palestinian archeology is similarly used to erase all traces of Jewish presence from the land. Even Koranic sources mentioning the links of the Jews to the Land of Israel are ignored. Such Palestinian behavior serves only to prolong the conflict because it does not teach the Palestinians that Jews are part of the history of this land. All these acts are intolerable and must stop before Israel considers signing a comprehensive peace agreement.

It was a mistake not to insist on recognition of Israel being a Jewish state in the negotiations with the Palestinians in the 1990s. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu understands very well the need for such recognition by the Palestinians to ensure a historic peace deal, and his insistence on getting it in the framework of a comprehensive settlement is right on the mark.

Moreover, Palestinians are different than the Egyptians or Jordanians, who were not required to accept Israel as a Jewish state. They have no claims to Palestine, while it is the Palestinians and the Israelis that fight for the same piece of land.

The Israelis recognized Palestinian legitimate rights 35 years ago. It is high time for the Palestinians to learn about the "other" they are in conflict with, and reciprocate if they are serious about making peace.

Prof. Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, is a professor of political studies at Bar-Ilan University and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Aug 13 - 04:32 AM

"to wash the slime off."
The slime is built in I'm afraid Brucie - it's part of the makeup of you Antisemites and won't wash off
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 07:58 PM

And what right do Israelis have to defend themselves from those trying to kill them, after all they're fucking Jews and besides they control the US government, the world's press, the banks and they drink the blood of non Jewish babies, right Stevie boy?

Like I always tell Keith, you can't argue with bloody idiots. By the way, I'm not calling you a bloody idiot. I don't need to. This post of yours marks you out as such without any extra input from me. Also, you lost your cool. You don't get nowhere if you lose your cool. I never lose my cool. Watch and learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 06:30 PM

Oh and 500 - adieu my friends adieu.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 06:28 PM

You're welcome to stay and wallow in your friends' cesspool Greg but I have reached my tolerance limit for the stench.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 06:13 PM


Well this thread has once again been defiled by the usual haters spewing their venomous bile all over it

Like BullshitBruce, for instance?

Gee, BooBad, taking your ball & going home, are ya? Or are you following Harry Truman's admonition?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 05:43 PM

Oh, and one more thing DonT, you don't seem to have a problem with your fellow traveler smearing us as Islamophobes do you you fucking hypocrite - so take your righteous indignation, roll it up into a nice fat wad and shove it up where the sun don't shine - there that's a good lad.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 04:43 PM

Well this thread has once again been defiled by the usual haters spewing their venomous bile all over it. Have fun pissing into the wind gentlemen. TTFN.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 04:03 PM

Don,
This Braindead is the only one to have attempted Israeli crimes with being "jewish" - in doing so it is he who is Antisemitic.
Hiding behind six million dead victims of Nazism is about as low as you can sink.
He has put up no defence for Israeli behaviour other than those from the script which he prepared earlier - ask him something that is not on it - "Does not compute, does not....." Isaac Assimov couldn't have made a better job of creating a robot
Don't hold your breath waiting for an intelligent response.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 02:02 PM

""Then show THAT, you lying scum sucker. I HAVE STATED facts- If YOU don't ilk them, SHOW THAT THEY ARE WRONG instead of attacking ME.""

NO YOU LYING, BIGOTED, AMERICAN PRICK!

YOU put up just one anti Jewish comment I have ever posted!!

YOU are the aggressor here, like your beloved Israeli government.

Prove your point or PISS OFF!

Reading posts from the three of you makes me feel like I need to take a shower when I log out, to wash the slime off.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 01:50 PM

"Show me where I have called anyone an Antisemite for suggesting that Israel should stop building settlements."
Throughout this and virtually every thread you have gone on supporting Israeli atrocities by hiding behind done-and-dusted, long established history history.
You have consistently refused to comment on the settlements and when the pressure is put on we become Antisemitic or "Jew-hater"
When Israel's crimes are put up for you to disprove or explain - same thing.
Nobody but you has mentioned "Jews" in relation to Israeli war crimes other than you.
Never thought I would come across an antisemitic Zionist - just goes to show, you're never to old to learn - you somewhat shallow bullying thug (or should that be "would-be thug if you had the bottle to actually do anything about your thuggish aspirations.
God knows, Boo Boo isn't the brightest starfish in the sand-bucket, but at least he confines himself behind meaningless cut-n-pastes
I was quite surprised a few months ago when I heard a former head of Mossad describe the Israeli regime as 'Nazi' - reading your postings, it makes sense.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 01:00 PM

Greggie the racist ( "Black Democrat" is read by him as "Dumb Ni**er")

You really do think that if you repeat that lie enough, people will believe it, dontcha, BullshitHorseshitBruce?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 12:11 PM

"his every utterance is so devoid of evidence, truth, or logic that personal abuse is his one debating trick."


Then show THAT, you lying scum sucker. I HAVE STATED facts- If YOU don't ilk them, SHOW THAT THEY ARE WRONG instead of attacking ME.


I give back what I am attacked with- Argue FACTS, and you will get facts. ATTACK ME, and I will do my best to show you for the bigot you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 11:44 AM

DonT,

YOUR failure to demand that those who agree with you follow the rules YOU complain I am breaking prove you are not entitled to complain.

BullshitBobert claims all who oppose ANY Obama action are Racist KKKrs- YET YOU SAY NOTHING.

Greggie the racist ( "Black Democrat" is read by him as "Dumb Ni**er") makes personnal attacks AND YOU SAY NOTHING.


So shut the fuck up about me stating the truth that some here have shown themselves to be Jew Haters.





Since the ARABS are referring to killing Jews, and not just Israelis, and have attacked JEWS worldwide, not just Israelis, it is fair to use that term.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 11:42 AM

There are millions of Jews in almost every country on the planet, who are native to those countries and who have no traceable ancestors native to what is now Israel.

Their nationality is that of whatever country they were born in.

Their religion is Judaism.

Israel consists of native born Jews, Muslims, some Christians and what are referred to as returning Jews, most of whom are of European birth.

The Israeli government is not a Jewish government. It is the government of the above mixture.

Comment on that government is not about Jews. It is about the reprehensible actions of the organisation itself.

I am utterly disgusted, after the way that we were slagged off for even mentioning the Holocaust, to find one of our rabid Israeli apologists trying to paint a fellow member as a supporter of the Nazi Blood Libel.

You have sunk to new depths and are beneath contempt Bobad!!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 11:04 AM

""And what right do Israelis have to defend themselves from those trying to kill them, after all they're fucking Jews and besides they control the US government, the world's press, the banks and they drink the blood of non Jewish babies, right Stevie boy?""

There are only three people on this thread talking about Jews and all three are "Israel can do no wrong" apologists.

All three have utterly failed to show the slightest anti Jewish bias in their opponents because there isn't any!!

Yet one arsehole persists in using the name ""Jim the Jew Hater"" because his every utterance is so devoid of evidence, truth, or logic that personal abuse is his one debating trick.

Decrying the atrocious record and actions of a government is not, and never can be racist.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 09:17 AM

"...welcome to being called an Antisemite by Bobad and Brucie here, for suggesting that Israel should stop building settlements"

Show me where I have called anyone an antisemite for suggesting that Israel should stop building settlements. You can't because it is a lie and you are a lying piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 06:10 AM

"Put the energy into pushing the hell out of Israel to quit with settlements and to get behind a settlement...

This one issue is the centerpiece of the Al-Qaeda recruitment program..."

Utter rubbish!!

Al-Qaeda;
Hamas;
Fatah;
Hezbollah;
The Muslim Brotherhood;
Lebanon;
Syria;
Jordan;
Egypt;
Iran;
Turkey;
Any other Arab State you could mention.

None of the above could give a toss for the Arabs of Palestine, and that has been proved time and time again over the past 66 years (The Lebanese, the Jordanians, the Egyptians actually imprisoned the Palestinians, the latter two in camps located on Palestinian land that they themselves had stolen - The Syrians do not even let Palestinians into their country after the shit Arafat tried to pull in Jordan - see Black September)

The Arabs of Palestine are simply useful pawns to be dragged out and paraded every time their "leaders" and their allies want another hand out (None of which ever filters down to genuinely benefit the "Palestinians")