BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 13 - 01:58 AM

"War crimes are war crimes, no matter who commits them...
No???"
Yes of course they are - I was referring to our little man here who is supporting Israeli war crimes.
"Stop the settlements now.."
I agree with you entirely - welcome to being called an Antisemite by Bobad and Brucie here, for suggesting that Israel should stop building settlements
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 09:02 PM

I have no idea what he's on about Bobert, nor do I think does he.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:48 PM

Huh???

War crimes are war crimes, no matter who commits them...

No???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:38 PM

"Yes, hating comes very easily to some it seems."
Only Antisemites who blame Jews for Israel's war crimes
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:19 PM

"you're making it very easy for the rest of us"

Yes, hating comes very easily to some it seems.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:11 PM

"But Jimmy the JewHater thinks that killing Jews is just fine."
Are you still insisting that it was the "Jews" and not the Israelis who massacred Arabs when the Brits left Palestine, that it was the "Jews" who dropped chemical weapons on civilians, shelled hospitals and schools, massacres 3,500 refugees at Sabra/Shatila, moved entire communities of Bedoins onto toxic sites, created an apartheid state...... and would have been indicted for war crimes and human rights abuses.
Veeery interesting.
I would have thought it was the Israelis - but if you insist these are "Jewish" crimes - who am I to argue?
Keep it up Brucie - you're making it very easy for the rest of us
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:06 PM

Heck with Syria...

Put the energy into pushing the hell out of Israel to quit with settlements and to get behind a settlement...

This one issue is the centerpiece of the Al-Qaeda recruitment program...

Get this off our backs... We have given Israel enough over the years to reasonably expect them to not work cross purpose with out interests...

Israel, in acting poorly, is hurting it's own self...

Stop the settlements now...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:55 PM

And what right do Israelis have to defend themselves from those trying to kill them, after all they're fucking Jews and besides they control the US government, the world's press, the banks and they drink the blood of non Jewish babies, right Stevie boy?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:19 PM

Hey chaps, I wasn't really asking you about convicted (define...) "terrorists". I was asking you about men, women and children held without charge or trial, often for years. Embarrassing, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 04:03 PM

AND the ones released were CONVICTED killers. They had had a trial, and been found guilty of murder.

But Jimmy the JewHater thinks that killing Jews is just fine.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 03:59 PM

Whenever they have captured a Jew, they exchange them or their remains for large numbers of convicted terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 03:19 PM

Israel did make a big gesture of reconciliation for the peace talks by releasing so many convicted terrorists.

Nice work, Keith. Now tell us how many Israelis (terrorists or not) are held by Hezbollah or Hamas. When you've told us that, move on to tell us how many Palestinians (don't forget to include the women and kids, by the way) are held by Israel without charge or trial. Don't forget to go back a few years, Keith. After all, you have been defending Israel against all comers for a few years.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 02:58 PM

A con - they smashed up the "peace conference that dare not speak it's name" - well - you won't anyway - or Terminus or Boo Boo as for Beardie the Wierdy
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 02:14 PM

Israel did make a big gesture of reconciliation for the peace talks by releasing so many convicted terrorists.
Hezbolla's gesture was to take a break from slaughtering Syrians and attempt the murder of some Israeli soldiers, and some ordinary Jewish folk and kids with their illegal missiles.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 11:43 AM

" the Arabs of "Palestine" cannot and will not define what they see as being "their" borders then there can be be no "theft" of land from them by the Israelis."
The necessity for over 100 U.S.vetoes shows that the world knows differently, as you do otherwise there would be no harm in sitting around a conference table and discussing it nor a reason for your mob
even acknowledging that there is a conference taking place.
Chickenshit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 09:02 AM

If the Arabs of "Palestine" cannot and will not define what they see as being "their" borders then there can be be no "theft" of land from them by the Israelis.

"which means that future generations of Palestinian and Israeli parents can look forward to their children being brought home in body bags."

Over the last 66 years it would appear that neither side seems to have a problem with that prospect, if fact that is the established norm for the region. Judging by rates of attrition, the whole of what was defined as being the Mandated Territory of Palestine in 1923, after Trans-Jordan was created as an exclusively Arab State, will end up being called Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:47 AM

Cut the crap.
You can identify no error in any post.
If you could, you would.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:32 AM

Keith, all your posts on Israel are one big error. In that you simply don't get it, and don't want to get it. You must have an awful lot of time on your hands, in spite of going over the same old ground again and again and again, to want to drag someone else into your quagmire. No thanks. I'll say what I think and you can like it or lump it.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 08:02 AM

I was responding to Keith's revisionism-by-omission, followed, as ever, by his revisionism-by-revisionism.
No Steve.
You said this about me,
You're a laugh a minute, Keith. One of those people who can persuade themselves of anything if they try hard enough.

I asked you to identify any error in my post, but you were unable to find even one.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:54 AM

"To those who witter on about "Palestinian" Land - I would like them to show me what borders actually define this land."
Which has nothing whatever to do with the deliberate wrecking of the conference by your terrorist mates and it is certainly no comment on how you feel about their spoiler tactics - which means that future generations of Palestinian and Israeli parents can look forward to their children being brought home in body bags.
I take it that for you and your mates, the only future you see is one that is achieved by tanks and chemical weapons and massacring refugees?
As I said - no thoughts on the conference, in fact, no thought at all
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:12 AM

I'm quite happy for you to point out what Hezbollah does. I haven't got much time for them either, to be honest. But what you're missing here is that I was responding to Keith's revisionism-by-omission, followed, as ever, by his revisionism-by-revisionism. Thing is, Teribus, one sometimes responds to posts to try to restore a balance that one perceives to be lacking. You can't expect every post from every poster to be a chapter out of the official history of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 07:01 AM

Wrong "Christmas" I did -

"To those who witter on about "Palestinian" Land - I would like them to show me what borders actually define this land."

There is the question for you or one of your Arab "palestinian" mates to answer simply define "their" borders, the borders of the State of Palestine.

They will not do that however because that poses the "Palestinian leadership" in the West bank and in Gaza with a problem, because if they define "their" borders in order to complain about "illegal" settlements they automatically acknowledge the existence and the right to existence of the sovereign state of Israel, something they simply cannot allow themselves to do and THAT is why all peace talks have failed since 1947.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 04:23 AM

"No mention from Steve Shaw of the "Cluster Munitions" fired by Hezbollah"
And still no mention by you or any of your pro-Zionist buddies of the fact that there is a peace conference in progress which has been virtually brought to its knees by Israel's continuing development of illegal sites, its incursion into sovereign territory and its mounting of a security operation in a refugee camp and killing three of the refugees.
Scurrying behind past conflicts (while carefully avoiding the long-term atrocities of a state that would have been long publicly declared "terrorist" had it not been for the protection of over 100 UN vetoes) seems to be a built-in tactic of you atrocity deniers.
Have you any thoughts on the Peace Conference Terminus; more to the point - have you any thoughts?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 29 Aug 13 - 03:49 AM

Lebanon -2006:
IDF hit 832 sites in Southern Lebanon with "Cluster Munitions" the majority of which were delivered in the form of artillery shells and rockets. One quarter of the sub-munitions dropped were duds

Resulting casualties - 28 killed and 186 wounded
As of December 2012, the LMAC data indicated 663 casualties (154 killed; 509 injured) from unexploded submunitions, of which 18% (120) were children.

The IDF identified the sites targeted and gave details of the munitions used, no civilian areas were targeted, they also handed over maps detailing where landmines had been laid. No such information was supplied by Hezbollah.

No mention from Steve Shaw of the "Cluster Munitions" fired by Hezbollah during the same conflict from Southern Lebanon into Israel. Hezbollah fired Chinese-manufactured cluster munitions into Israel civilian targets, using 122-mm rocket launchers, hitting Kiryat Motzkin, Nahariya, Karmiel, Maghar, and Safsufa. The 113 rockets fired killed 44 civilians and injured thousands.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 06:12 PM

No crap, Keith. As ever, you are in complete, blind denial of Israel's wrongdoings. Hundreds of maimed Lebanese kids could vouch for that. One million unexploded bomblets left lying around, all nice and brightly-coloured, just the thing to attract kids. I suppose you think the IDF and their masters "didn't know what they were doing" when they left 'em there? Huh? Stupid thing is, Keith, I sort of already know what you're gonna say next...

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 05:59 PM

Cut the crap and point out my error Steve, if you can.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 04:37 PM

Israel has stopped using cluster weapons because of the problem of unexploded bomblets.
Most militaries did use them, and unlike firing antipersonel missiles at civilian targets, they were legal.
Decent militaries, like Israel, have ceased the use of cluster weapons.

You're a laugh a minute, Keith. One of those people who can persuade themselves of anything if they try hard enough. As I said, you can't argue with a bloody idiot. God knows why we bother with you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 09:25 AM

Good post Teribus but don't confuse them with facts, their position is not predicated on facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:38 AM

I see my lousy typing has let the usual haters ignore the facts.



"Steve, and Jim the Jew-Hater,

Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, "

BOBERT calls anyone who disagrees with his opinions KKKrs, yet you have no problem with that. EVERYONE who disagrees with ANYTHING Obama says is a racist, even when we are on record as having disagreed with such policies long before Obama was on the political scene.


"and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce,"

The standard "Liberal " response to ANY post where facts are presented is to attack the poster, and the "Liberal" logic police NEVER seem to bother noticing- yet they will jump on any logical flaw by those they disagree with, and claim that there is thus no reason to even consider facts.


"you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be."

Simple statement of fact.



"Or are you joining the Ubermensch in demanding a different set of rules for those you support versus those you disagree with???

As I say, what a typical bunch of "Liberal" shit for brains."


Again, I have to judge the "Liberals" here by those that post their views, and how they post.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:36 AM

Israel has stopped using cluster weapons because of the problem of unexploded bomblets.
Most militaries did use them, and unlike firing antipersonel missiles at civilian targets, they were legal.
Decent militaries, like Israel, have ceased the use of cluster weapons.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:29 AM

"In response, Israel developed its Iron Dome missile interceptors, deploying the mobile units in 2011."

And left hundreds of thousands of unexploded cluster bomblets lying around in southern Lebanon to blow kids' legs off. We know how much you enjoy partial information, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 08:18 AM

Don T

The Palestinian Moslems were given a JEW-FREE state in the early 1920's - TransJordan, over 77% of the Mandate Palestine territory. THOSE were the last borders accepted by the Arabs, and should be the START of any present negotiations.

This has been stated many times, WITH NO REFUTATION by ANY opposed to Israel- so your comment is willful ignorance, or deliberate lie.

As for Jimmie the Jew-hater's comments, he fails to note that the Palestinians have been quite specific in referring to the JEWS that they want to kill, and remove by ethnic cleaning.

He is quite happy for JEWS to be removed from land they were on for thousands of years, I note.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 07:19 AM

To those who witter on about "Palestinian" Land - I would like them to show me what borders actually define this land.

As far as I am aware in 1947 the Jews of Palestine agreed to a two-state solution proposed by the UN. Unfortunately the Arabs of Palestine and their allies (For that read every Arab country in the world) refused to accept this solution and elected to fight. Borders were then temporarily defined not as per the 1947 proposal but by the ceasefire lines in 1949 (I say temporarily defined as there was never any peace treaty signed - and subsequent Arab actions showed that they most certainly did not recognise these borders as meaning anything)

The big turning point came in 1967 when the pan Arabic Movement led by Nasser attempted to wipe Israel literally from the face of the earth, and received the shock of their lives for their troubles as the IDF cleared the Egyptians from Gaza and the Sinai, the Jordanians from the West Bank and East Jerusalem and the Syrians from the Sheeba Farms and the Golan Heights. Up until this point all these heroic Arab nations had been holding "Palestinian" land obtained by conquest, which apparently most here see nothing wrong with. But in 1967 they lost not only that but significant chunks of their own territory - and they squealed like stuck pigs.

1973 came and went as the Arabs once more elected to go to war and the situation became worse so to get their own land back both Egypt and Jordan did deals on the basis of land for peace and got their own land back. The Arabs of Palestine have still not defined what they see as being "their borders" so how can it be possible for the Israelis to steal land? The Egyptians "stole" Gaza for the best part of twenty years and they would hold it still had it not been for Nasser's f**k-up in 1967 - same goes for Jordan with East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The Mandated Territory of Palestine that was defined in 1923 allows for free settlement anywhere in that territory for Jew and Arab alike, the Jews just happen to be better at it. The Arabs of Palestine have had over 66 years to make something of the situation they themselves elected to get themselves into and they have failed miserably - the failure being entirely self-generated.

There is I fear not the slightest hope for any settlement - so next time it kicks off then the world should just stand back and let one side or the other prevail and settle the matter in blood the way the Arabs of the region have always wanted to settle it. I know which side would prevail (It would not be the Arabs) - and the Arabs of Palestine know that as well so their "leaders" continue with the farce taking every opportunity to grandstand in international forums playing the victim whilst ripping their "people" off by channeling millions off aid packages thrown at the Palestinian leadership by the gullible - Yasser Arafat was a past-master at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 06:13 AM

BBC, 5 days ago, whole piece.

Explosions have been heard in northern Israel, after rockets were fired across the border from southern Lebanon.

Sirens sounded across the area, but no casualties were reported. Footage showed some minor damage at a kibbutz near the coastal town of Nahariya.

Four rockets were fired from southern Lebanon, a stronghold of the Shia Islamist movement Hezbollah.

An Israeli military spokesman said one of the rockets was intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defence system.

Rockets have been fired into Israel intermittently by militant groups since the Israel-Hezbollah conflict in 2006.

But an Israeli army spokesman told the BBC he did not believe Hezbollah was behind the attack.

Lebanese news agencies reported all four rockets were fired at Israel from the Tyre region in southern Lebanon.

Explosions were heard on Thursday afternoon in Nahariyah, on Israel's west coast, and as far east as Kiryat Shemona.

Footage showed the remains of a rocket in a street, with damage to a car and nearby windows.

Lt. Col. Peter Lerner blamed "global jihad"' elements for the attack, but added Israel had not retaliated.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded swiftly to the attack, saying Israel was "acting on all fronts" to defend its citizens.

"Our policy is clear: to protect and to prevent. Whoever tries to harm us should know we will harm them," he said.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 06:08 AM

Washington Post, 5 days ago.


"Rockets were fired at Israel (from Lebanon) last year but fell short of entering the country. In 2011, rockets reached Israel and damaged two buildings.

With air raid sirens blaring and civilian air traffic halted, the rocket attack Thursday rekindled memories of the 34-day Israel-Lebanon war in 2006, when Hezbollah fired as many as 4,000 rockets into northern Israel. In response, Israel developed its Iron Dome missile interceptors, deploying the mobile units in 2011."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 05:18 AM

""I NEVER said they should be removed, just that they should settle WHERE THEY WANT and accept the government OF THAT COUNTRY.""

Live where they want, you say?

They want the Palestinian state they were told they would have!

I don't recall any of your little bunch ever approving of that.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 05:01 AM

""Rockets have been fired into Israel intermittently by militant groups since the Israel-Hezbollah conflict in 2006."

What the fuck is Lebanon doing firing rockets into Israel in the first place?""

I'd rather like to hear from a credible unbiased source, preferrably one without a dog in the fight, some confirmation that the above is the truth.

Until then, all we have is the word of the Israeli Military, and they've never lied, have they?

Oh look, a flight of pigs going south for the winter.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 13 - 02:45 AM

"Steve, and Jim the Jew-Hater,"
You have persistently defended Israel's ghettoisation of the Palestinian people; defended their abuses, massacres, military incursions, their introduction of apartheid laws, use of chemical weapons, their forcibly moving whole communities of nomads onto toxic sites in order to make room for non-Arab settlers.
You have supported a seven year long blockade that has restricted food, medicines and equipment vital to the everyday living, of an entire people.
All the crimes Israel has been accused of you have attempted to either deny or support.
That is supporting human rights abuses and war crimes
Your particular evidence has been based on your suggestion that the Palestinians have no legal right to live on the lands they have occupied for millennia - that has been your persistent claim.
You have even suggested that the Palestinians be "invited" join their Arab neighbours, willingly or otherwise.
That is giving credence to and openly advocating ethnic cleansing
You have accused those of us who find all of this horrific, inhuman and internationally illegal behaviour of being "Jew haters".
To attribute these crimes to "the Jews" rather than to "the Israeli regime", as the rest of us have, is Antisemitism in the extreme.
You are the only one here to have chosen to make this a "Jewish" thing, making you an anti Semitic ethnic cleanser.
You and your mates have defended Israel's ignored and/or defended Israel's present acts of aggression which have all but scuppered delicate peace negations which might, just might end a history of bloodshed in the Middle East - you haven't even had the bottle between you to even acknowledge that those Peace negotiations are taking place.
This makes you a squalid bunch of war-mongering extremists
Have a nice day Brucie.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM

Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be.

Non sequitur and childish to boot. I'm amazed you're old enough to have a beard.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM

Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be.

Non sequitur and childish to boot. I'm amazed you're old enough to have a beard.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM

Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be.

Non sequitur and childish to boot. I'm amazed you're old enough to have a beard.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:18 PM

And still the usual name-calling & horseshit from BullshitBruce.

Talk anout "Ever Thus".

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 04:15 PM

Steve, and Jim the Jew-Hater,

Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be.

Or are you joining the Ubermensch in demanding a different set of rules for those you support versus those you disagree with???

As I say, what a typical bunch of "Liberal" shit for brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 04:07 PM

"Well, Jim Carroll the Jew-Hater,"
Brain-dead Bruce the ethnic cleanser
"I mean, how low can you get?"
Give him a chance Steve - he's on the rise.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:58 PM

Well, Jim Carroll the Jew-Hater

Let's hear you support that disgusting remark. I mean, how low can you get?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:53 PM

It is Israel's side of the story.
Can it not be heard?
Is that unacceptable Steve?
Too confusing for you to even consider?

That's just crass, Keith. It's the NYT/AIPAC/Israel gloss on the story. The post-outrage adjustment of the story. Two of those three dead guys were having nothing to do with anything when they were shot. Wrong place, wrong time, too bad, Israel shrugs. At least it wasn't kids throwing stones this time. Ever thus. Wake up, Keith, lest we all conclude that we can't argue with a bloody idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:05 PM

Invaded Lebanese sovereign territory

Still waiting for a source for that "fact" Jim.

Israel did make a big gesture of reconciliation by releasing so many convicted terrorists.
Hezbollah's gesture was to take a break from slaughtering Syrians to attempt the murder of some Israeli soldiers.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 02:25 PM

Well, Jim Carroll the Jew-Hater,

I never talked about ethnic cleansing OF Arabs, just about the cleansing BY ARABS that you approved of from 1948 to 1967. YOU are the ONLY one who insists on removing whole populations from areas they have been for hundreds of years.

I did say that the Palestinians, SINCE THEY DID NOT WANT TO BECOME LOYAL ISRAELI CITIZENS ( like many other Arabs who stayed in Israel in 1948) could settle in the ARAB PALESTINIAN HOMELAND of Jordan, or other Arab nations. They have a choice, unlike the Jews driven out of Arab nations. I NEVER said they should be removed, just that they should settle WHERE THEY WANT and accept the government OF THAT COUNTRY.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 02:08 PM

There is (was maybe) a peace conference during which:
Israel has announced an increase in the number of settlements
Invaded Lebanese sovereign territory
Mounted a security search in a refugee camp in the middle of peace negotiations (seems to have a thing about refugee camps)
Her soldiers have killed three civilian refugees and wounded four more (seems to have a thing about killing and wounding both civilians and refugees)
Her apologists here still remain silent on the fact that there is a peace conference - one has been more or less silent since he proposed ethnic cleansed the Palestinians out of Palestine
Don't thing Israel needs anybody to put her case for her - she's doing a bloody good job of it herself
Back under your bridge lads!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 13 - 01:19 PM

It is Israel's side of the story.
Can it not be heard?
Is that unacceptable Steve?
Too confusing for you to even consider?