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Subject: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 01:55 PM

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but in case not, take a look at this fRoots Letters thread. Clicking on the first link mentuioned in the thread will take you to a very cleverly constructed fake Mudcat. Other links will lead to other bits not without a certain puerile humour. There is a very good anagram, which may be familiar to most English folkies, of Elmer P Bleaty for the late lamented singer who did indeed sing like a goat. But do explore all the links and stuff.
Direct Link to Mud-E-Ceilidh


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Ernest
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 02:22 PM

very funny!

:0)
Ernest


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 02:29 PM

Here's a direct link.

Max should be honored. And amused.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 02:38 PM

You've really arrived when you are both well-known enough and relevant enough to be parodied....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 02:41 PM

Open the parrot thread and go to the song - hysterical.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 02:46 PM

Peter Bellamy did not sing like a goat,he was a fine interpreter of songs,.
at least he wasnt a blues singer,who sounded like a polite Putney toff,and about as raunchy as Barry Manilow.
when Bellamy did sing the blues he sang with some balls.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:07 PM

Ah, the higherst form of flattery


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MartinRyan
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:11 PM

Snigger, snigger....

Regards


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:15 PM

Brilliant! Loved the "Click me" which puts a foot through the banjo...

Will (tenor banjo player)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:18 PM

Fond Memories of the Back Cover of Southern Rag ! Borfolk Rules !!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:19 PM

I may have to LEARN the Kipper song!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:32 PM

I love it!

I was disappointed, though, that most of the "links" are fake. (Be sure to try them, though; a few are real.) They could have carried this so much farther. Maybe they'll keep expanding it. I hope so.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:53 PM

love that F. INGNOBODY cares about folk music


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 03:59 PM

Brilliant and hilarious! I was able to type in a posting to the parrot thread, but it wouldn't load...just like old days here!**bg** That kipper song was way more than I ever wanted to know about kippers! Ads by Boggle!?!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:16 PM

Fantastic! I'm almost crying with laughter after reading the Kipper song...


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:18 PM

Or, more properly: Make sure you go to the fRoots thread, and dont just explore the Mudcat stuff. There is plenty more. Few are spared!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:19 PM

Nearly p*ssed myself laughing with that incestuous pagan fertility rite kipper song.. Parsley green oh me lads!

'Start a new controversy' was pretty funny too, and loved 'click me'


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:31 PM

no thanks, Greg,as far as I am concerned,any person who cant take a review being criticised,without resorting to personal insults,about drug taking,is not worth bothering with.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:36 PM

"...cant take a review being criticised,without resorting to personal insults,about drug taking..."

who? what? huh? What has that to do with a funny parody?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:39 PM

it explains why I dont wish to support a publicity stunt by Folk Roots,a clever attempt to get people to look at his boring letters board.
I wouldnt go near his site.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:50 PM

This is nothing to do with fRoots you know,Cap'n B. It just provides a link to the guy who does these parodies.As to the drug-taking etc...well, you've lost me there I'm afraid.
Earlier in the thread, Dan Schatz provides a direct link. It does not go to fRoots, so you need not be afraid of being contaminated or insulted!
I hope Max sees this, the trouble the guy has gone to to set this up is amazing. I wonder if it's one of our regulars? If so, full marks.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:01 PM

The "click me" ought to say "kick me".

Some people have way too much time on their hands and aren't they lucky?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:19 PM

Here's the link for the other main parody being perpetrated, on folk clubs - click here to bypass fRoots.

The challenge is - can you untangle all the anagrams in the "Old Guests" links?? (Are they all anagrams??)

IGOR CELEB
JOSH NERD & BENJI SPOON (I got that one, at least!)
JOSI TEACAKE

RHEA TUNECHANT & THE TWINKLERS
ANN APHORISMS
SHIRLEY CHARD & HANS BURBLER
TIM SLOBS
DULCETSTORE
VIN KEYMEANT
THE TOTEMIC BADMEN & DAN C. WINKLE (barn dance)
BERT PERSIAN
THE SEESAW SKIRTS
THE SHAKENMETAL BAND
ERNIE END
FLASHING STUNT

FAST RAZZLE SHEBAS
THE KEY & ROG DONTSTOP (barn dance)
JIMMY OAR
SPECIES, BOOM & SNOOPY
RITA PANELWORK
THE AGE THEOREM (formerly JOLLY EARRING)
BOLDE WHALE
LIN CHILLYROSES & NIBS PAPER
HARRY SENDWAVE
EDDY WARMTH-YARNMAN
NEAL CELTISH & ANDY IRISHMAN (don't think this one is an anagram...!)

TEEMING POP & EVAN THUD (barn dance)
NYE NOTORY & NYE I.B.LAB
MARDEN BARBIE
SPIKE DRIP
ZITA CHARLEY
MOOR;BRACING;GROANS
THE KELLY THICKRANT BAND
BOB & TARA BROWNRAM
ELI TRISTCHRONICLES
SAM LE JUICY
DANNY DREAMY-WARMTH

ENVIED HARVEST LILT
DEAN LUVBARD
REJ RANJAM & FANNY CAKES
ALL ACSETICS
SVEN STILETTO
RON METPOET
GARY EARS & ANNE IRKSOME
BRIAN CUE
THICKMENACES & PIP HUGHORN (barn dance)
THE BAD BATON
J.J.SPENS & ROBIN HOODEN (I think we're repeating ourselves...)

and there's way too many more pages of this nonsense. Methinks the parodist made good use of online an anagram generator!!

The 1979 listing includes our bleating friend (who I understand could see the humor in the name):

REG FARTGOONE M.P.
MARTY THINCAR (the other one that I get!)
ELMER P. BLEATY



~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:22 PM

"I wouldnt go near his site."

I see..... well, I will make a note, and reconsider what sites *I* will avoid.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:28 PM

Yes, "Josh Nerd and Benji Spoon" is easy, helped by the illustrative c.d. sleeve in that case.
That's the other brilliant thing about this site, the drawing!

I'm ashamed to say it has taken me 48 hours, until just now, to realise who Josi Teacake is.. though I got Jimmy Oar straight away

The whole thing is a complete masterpiece.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:07 PM

I presume Josi Teacake is our very own Ruth Archer under another name! The drawing of Boden and Spiers (Nerd and Spoon) is indeed masterly.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:22 AM

I know the perpetrator of this Fandango personally. I'll spare his blushes, but, he is a fine club organiser, who has worked tirelessly in his home town for donkeys years.
Also a fine cartoonist and illustrator.
Mr Ignobody went into semi retirement many years ago. Glad to see he's back!
And I also know that Peter Bellamy was proud and delighted with his moniker!
It's just a gentle piss take...(but some of the thread titles on Mud-E-Ceilidh, wouldn't look out of place here!!!!).
In these straightened times, surely we can all laugh at ourselves, can't we?
Will continue to see what our lampoonist comes up with next.
Regards Ralphie.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,cardboard cutout
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:22 AM

"The drawing of Boden and Spiers is indeed masterly" As is the drawing of Lauren McCormick and Emily Portman (formerly of "The Devils Interval"). And the recasting of Mawkin Causley as "Male Saucy Wink" apposite in the extreme.

"I presume Josi Teacake is our own Ruth Archer under another name" Err, no, the letters don't add up. Look a bit closer to your own home county, think younger, and sibling to "Jimmy Oar"


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:40 AM

Well, at the risk of being pursued round other threads and belittled, I think Rapidity Absence is showing both lack of humour, and possibly some sort of personal grudge.
It's a tour de force, and I am filled with admiration at the time and talent that has gone into it.

JM


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:01 AM

Her Gents Pegs wrote:
"I presume Josi Teacake is our very own Ruth Archer under another name!"
Nope, it's actually Jackie Oates. Try using this Anagram Solver to decipher a few more.

Slick Dime wrote:
"a publicity stunt by Folk Roots".
I certainly wouldn't go that far but there is a bit of an fRoots connection.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:43 AM

Frank Ingnobody was around a long time before fRoots (but yes, there is a connection, see Leadfingers's post).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 07:26 AM

Dick.
Just to put the record straight. "Borfolk" has nothing to do with fRoots magazine, apart from a tangential connection with it's predecessor "Southern Rag" .
The site owner is a well respected club, concert, and dance organiser in Southern England. To the extent of having recieved an award from the EFDSS last year for his lifelong contributions to the folk scene.
Artists that have been subjected to his gentle wit, have taken his parodies with great good humour...(The bugger hasn't done me yet!).
You seem to have a personal problem with fRoots.
Do us all a favour, and kindly keep it to yourself.
And, don't involve Mr Ignobody.
As I said earlier, It's just a bit of harmless fun. Save your personal attacks for another place.
Ralph


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: G-Force
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:05 AM

Yes it may be a bit of gentle fun, but why was it leapt on with such glee by fRuits? They are (he is) notoriously anti-Cat.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: matt milton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:08 AM

Because it's very funny?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:11 AM

Ralphie,re read my posts.
I am the one who has been personally attacked,and accused of taking drugs[fact],not by the cartoonist,but by someone else,hence my aversion to anything that promotes the Froots board/site.
I have not attacked the cartoonist,I know his work,and it is very good.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:13 AM

no, it has been leapt on by froots to get people to visit his site.
a publicity stunt.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: matt milton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:26 AM

"no, it has been leapt on by froots to get people to visit his site"

1. it hasn't been "leapt on". It's been linked to, just as it has been here

2. the parody doesn't "promote" anything, but if it could be said to be "promoting" anything, that thing would be mudcat

3. as there's no weblink from that parody to the fRoots website, it can't be said that linking to it it is a way to get anyone to visit the it, any more than posting a link to it here can be said to be a way of getting anyone to visit *this* website


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:32 AM

So Dick.
You have a grieviance with the Editor of fRoots?

Take it up with him, and leave the rest of us to enjoy what is a little bit of harmless fun.
In other words, take that bag of King Edward potatoes off your shoulder, and direct your vitriol where you will.
The rest of us don't actually care about your personal squabbles.
(Good grief. Can't we just have a bit of a laugh sometimes?)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: nickp
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:51 AM

Cheered up my Wednesday lunchtime at work! Nice one Lawrence.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:53 AM

I have and I am still waiting for an apology.
I am not sure it is harmless fun,as a matter of fact I have always thought the cartoons portrayed the uk folk club scene in a very negative way[probably not the cartoonists intention].
but something that would undoubtedly appeal to anyone who was anti folk clubs,and anti Mudcat, which might be a possible explanation for their promotion,would they be promoted by froots if it was froots who was being satirised,I dont think so,from my own personal experience,criticism is not something he[not the cartoonist] encourages.

humour is a very personal thing, some people like one thing some something else.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM

Too close to home - the music threads have 4 or 7 posts; the semi-music threads hundreds and the BS millions.

When did Mudcat become sacrosanct? There is plenty here to criticize and parody.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Gedi
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM

lol, thats the funniest thing I've seen for ages! Brilliant.

Who said Folkies have no sense of humour?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MartinRyan
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM

humour is a very personal thing, some people like one thing some something else.

Aye, aye, Cap'n! Now can we move on?

Regards


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM

humour is a very personal thing, some people like one thing some something else.

Indeed, but everybody finds your constant bleating tedious in the extreme.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 09:39 AM

Like Ralphie I also know the individual who created the website under discussion, and can confirm that he cares deeply about folk and the traditional arts, and is a tireless worker in the area of promoting music, dance and song in the South East of England. And has been for many years.

I would point out for those who seem to have taken this as a dig at Mudcat, that the name of the forum which has been chosen is MudE celidh ... please note that ECeilidh is another organisation that also exists on the web, should you not be aware of it. Additionally, the MudECeilidh item is one page only on a site which is quite clearly indicated as under construction. Mr Ingnobody has already told me that it is being slowly expanded. And no doubt it will _have_ to be slowly as he holds down a very responsible full time job, as well as running a club, concerts, and dances,providing assistance with a certain large annual folk festival in one way or another each year, and trying to lead a life as well.

The site is unconnected with fRoots, except insofar as Mr Ingnobody was connected with its predecessor, Southern Rag... and if you care to look at the bylines on each page of the website, you will see that construction started in October last year. The editor of fRoots has only just picked it up ... if it was a publicity stunt for that magazine, I think he might have highlighted it well before now!! (Come to that the name of the perpetrator is extremely obvious on the website, if you care to look at it properly!!)

As to Capn's comments about Peter Bellamy (Elmer P Bleaty), it is my understanding that he loved his new name, and even went so far as to request the original of the cartoon that went with it. And in response to his comment that "I have always thought the cartoons portrayed the uk folk club scene in a very negative way[probably not the cartoonists intention]." ... I've always thought that they were hilarious as they bring out the exact nature of oh so many clubs and individuals that can be seen around the English folk scene ... but with a great degree of fondness.

I wonder if Mr Ingnobody knows what a storm in a teacup he has created {grin} - must tell him!!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:13 AM

Well Dick.
Talk about opening mouth and inserting foot.
Don't think that you are going to get many gigs in the South East now.
For Gawds sake....even the people who run this place got the joke, parody is the sincerest form of flattery after all.

And I'm sure that Mssrs Spiers and Boden would love framed copies of their cartoon hanging in their respective Lavs.

Now Mr Ignobody....Where is the Housewives Choice cartoon Eh Eh???
I'll pay for it, honest guv....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:17 AM

folk clubs are portrayed as three men and a dog,with an incompetent organiser.
in fact many folk clubs are successful and well attended,quite a few have been going 30 40 years,and are well organised.
Topic Folk club,Swindon folk club,Bothy folk club,Leigh ON sea folk club ,both the Lewes clubs,Swinton Folk club,Faversham Folk club,Bodmin folk club,Stockton folk club ,Welly folk club, South Shields,Sharps folk club,Liverpool Everyman folk club,Faldingworth., Kiveton Park and many more.
   as they bring out the exact nature of oh so many clubs and individuals that can be seen around the English folk scene ... but with a great degree of fondness.
no cant agree,his cartoons depict a tiny minority,that dont survive long.Apologies to any clubs I have left out


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:20 AM

Dick
Just noticed one line from you
"I know his work, and it's very good"
Well I wouldn't go and ask him for a booking anytime soon if I were you, you might be very disappointed!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:27 AM

Dick.
Irony is spelt I-R-O-N-Y.
Parody is spelt P-A-R-O-D-Y
Humour is spelt H-U-M-O-U-R
Pedant is spelt P-E-D-A-N-T
Sense of Humour failure is called.......Oh you work it out....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:19 AM

Ted Rogers writes:
Funnily enough an anagram of "sense of humour failure" would be "rueful farmhouse noise", which – on a good day and with a following wind – could be have used to describe the "bleating" singing style of a particular folk singer.

You see, it all falls into place in the end... probably!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:22 AM

Ralphie,I aint bothered.
I dont think Lawrence would take offence anyway,his cartoons are very good, as I said before,but I dont find them very funny,that doesnt mean I cant appreciate good drawing etc,
now calm down,this stuff is not as important as playing music.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:27 AM

For our American friends, could I point out that in your case Humour is spelled HUMOR ??

Sorry Dick, I disagree - the Borfolk cartoons have withstood the test of time, simply because so many of those stereotypes displayed in the cartoon exist... and there certainly are clubs which still display individuals with some of the character traits and deficiencies displayed - otherwise it wouldn't be funny! Nobody has suggested that these are the norm, or indeed that any folk club with just three men and a dog actually exists. I think that that is where the word "humour" comes into it!

I didn't start going to clubs until the 1990's (after a long gap following university in the 70's) ... and even I can certainly recognise some of the behaviour and character traits under the spotlight. Mr Ingnobody actually runs a very successful club, by the way ... I haven't spotted any dog there yet, nor does there appear to be the equivalent of Old Vermin on the premises. However, somebody used to bring a canine chum to the Ram Club in Claygate on a regular weekly basis when I first started going there - so stereotypes DO actually exist!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:29 AM

Hmm .. that was posted before Dick's reply, which mystifies me. If you're telling people to calm down Dick, it rather raises the question of why you made such a fuss about it in the first place? And I do so agree that the music is so much more important!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:56 AM

Is it just me or is anyone else frustrated that they can't click on the thread entitled "Urgently sought: Folk songs about brassicas"? I have a few suggestions if the link ever becomes active:

Lady Brussels and Little Mustard
Cauliflowers of the Forest
The Swedes of Lovely Nancy
T Stands for Turnip
The Cabbage in the Wood

And of course, all those old "B. nigra" spirituals so beloved of our cousins across the pond (that one's for all you amateur botanists out there).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Maryrrf
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:14 PM

I though it was hilarious!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:31 PM

I have to say that when I started this thread I was a litle nervous that it might turn into one of those threads for which Mudcat is (possibly justly) ridiculed in the fRuits columns. Well, Captain Birdseye has obliged. Thanks to everyone else for treating it in the spirit intended.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Eddie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:52 PM

I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned the wonderful road names in the "How to find us" section.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: treewind
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:25 PM

I've only just found them.
"Lady Musgr.Ave."
"John Barley Corner"
etc...


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:38 PM

Methinks the parodist made good use of online an anagram generator!!

I don't think there was such a thing as on-line, let alone anagram generators, when Borfolk first started. I seem to remember that quite a lot were contributed by readers via a competition in the early days. I know that other artists such as The Rotters Of Coppingdean and The Rubbishy Song And Tune Cell were, like Elmer P Bleaty, fond enough of their anagrams to occasionally self-refer to them, and some Borfolk names like Wardeaths were so appropriate that they entered common useage. Ditto DEAFASS (The Dance Earnestly And Forget About Singing Society) which was very appropriate 25-30 years ago. Borfolk was/is brilliant in the tradition of loving parodies like Spinal Tap and that new Morris film. I wonder if Lawrence/ Frank/ sTroof could be persuaded to put together an anthology for all those of us who no longer have their early Southern Rags, Folk Roots and old Sidmouth Festival daily newspapers?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:41 PM

I looked there, but I did not see any relation to Mudcat. US eyes, I guess.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:49 PM

WYSIWYG: try this


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:51 PM

Maybe you're looking at the Borfolk site in general, not the MudECeilidh page which looks and reads exactly like this one!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:19 PM

To those who can't even get the letters of F IngNobody in the right order it's unsurprising that the point eludes them. With apologies to L Heath, I got bored with Borfolk 30 years ago, not because it was inaccurate but because it was far too frighteningly close to reality, and still is.

The so-called "revival" has much to answer for (mainly tie-dyed flares, beards, wilfully ignorant GEFFism and utterly, utterly BORing f*lkies with very low horizons). I learned to play and sing at school (before and after, actually). Also after school I learned step and clog from a traditional dancer, Johnson Ellwood, with local musicians sometimes including my grandfather who was my biggest influence, with the possible exception of Thomas Tallis.

The two worlds were entirely separate, one was never mentioned in the other, though the latter certainly wasn't called "f*lk". It was just what you did and it introduced me to pubs throughout the North East at an early age. Very early.

Come the early 60s, I pitched up in London where F ingF*lkClubs were all the trendy rage. I thought "I can do this, it's a bit like what I did with granddad". But it wasn't, really. I quickly tired of being told how inauthentic is was to read music, or what was considered kosher (or insert term appropriate to religion of choice) to do by one set or the other. It was less antagonistic to do the rounds of ultra-left splinter groups (or warring born-again christian sects - probably, but I wouldn't really know, not having tried any, not even ISB-scientology . . . ) I took to writing instead.

What's wrong with parody is either that those who ought to don't recognise themselves or else become ridiculously upset. Both reactions are tedious, as are muddy ceilidhs.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:25 PM

Diane,could you name some folk clubs that are close to this reality,thanks.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: High Hopes (inactive)
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:43 PM

Some take things waaayyyyyyy too seriously don't they? Geez this is one of the funniest things to come through the toll gate in along time.

"and The A.L.Lloyd Fake Song Award goes to....."

folk clubs are portrayed as three men and a dog,with an incompetent organiser


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:53 PM

Ohhh!

~S~


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MMario
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:58 PM

exactly.

*grin*


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:19 PM

The Captain is almost as funny as the parody, but not quite...nice try though Captain *snigger, snigger*


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Zen
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:44 PM

I agree with most posters here, I thought it was totally excellent and very well done.

Zen


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:19 PM

Re the acronyms ... having seen some jottings on a club night, I believe that Mr Ingnobody still works those out without the use of a computer


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:44 PM

Re the road names etc - I still like the name of the road that the club is in ... at first sight it didn't register, but read it quickly and the relevance is obvious!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: semi-submersible
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:00 PM

What a hoot! Thanks, greg stephens.


The Folksinging parrots thread was the only one I could make work. I tried popup boxes too, and the sole one that worked was the "Translate from:" box right here at the end of the parrot thread. Worth it!


Rifleman observed:
    "almost as funny as the parody, but not quite"
Hear, hear!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:17 PM

And right at the very bottom:

Mud-E-Ceilidh time: 1 April 1893 - 00:35 AM APPROX


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:21 PM

I take it Borfolk has been around a while... it did seem more than an overnight labor to generate the anagrams/funny names. The Mud e-Ceilidh is new?

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Ref
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:22 PM

I think I heard the Herring Song at Old Songs a couple of years ago.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:49 PM

Borfolk has been around since the seventies, although it has been in hibernation for some time. It was originally a cartoon series in a magazine called Southern Rag - subsequently that became Folk Roots magazine, then fRoots. And the Mud C=celidh is indeed new.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 08:02 PM

Tooo-shay! and still chuckling.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 01:50 AM

Well.
Mr Ignobody is obviously keeping an eye on Mudcat....
There is now a thread entitled
"Excellent Mud-E-Ceilidh parody"
Who says the Brits don't have a sense of the ridiculous!!!
Well done Frank.
(apparently the Borfolk site had 1000 or more (Bloody folk songs!) hits yesterday!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:02 AM

And tangentially, with reference to Peter Bellamy. For many years he was the editor of the daily newsheet at Whitby Festival, and his cartoons and witty remarks were a must read first thing in the morning.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:25 AM

I like this one that's "below the line":

    What is there to talk about other than folk music? 1,623,917 12 Feb 09 - 10:23 AM


1,623,917 messages.....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:33 AM

Hi Joe.
I'm hoping that Mud-E-Ceileidh is not offending you at all?
As has been said above, the perpetrator is one of the nicest people in the UK Folk scene.
I just want to know how he set up his site to look just like Mudcat!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:10 AM

Oh, I think it's great, Ralphie.
I hope Max has seen it.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:17 AM

Oh boy, that's a fun parody.
Well done whoever!

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:27 AM

Looks like you got your wish, Ralphie - Howvicious Cheese get a mensh on the new thread!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:32 AM

Yes. Nice one Frank. Now when do we get a booking!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Harry Groves
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:31 AM

Apparently Peter Bellamy - a.k.a. Elmer P Bleaty - had all of the original artwork of the Borfolk cartoons that mentioned him framed and hung in his loo. Also, as Ralphie pointed out above, Peter's Whitby newsletters were essential reading. Indeed, Peter commissioned a series of Borfolk cartoons for the newsletter - the cartoons in which the Kipper song first saw the light of day.

Harry


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:43 AM

Have also been told that Mr Bellamy would often answer the phone...."Bleaty here!"
So, it would seem that he hadn't had a sense of humour bypass!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:44 AM

Not sure about my new Moniker...."Harelip"
It might grow on me I suppose.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Banjiman
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:47 AM

It's funny!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 07:14 AM

What is missing in the parody is the ability for real people to post on it. If Captain Birdseye could actually post comments on the parody....no, this is getting too close to Philip K Dick and parallel worlds sci-fi.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM

Greg.
I think that the inability of us mere mortals to contribute, is the master stroke!
If we were all able to contribute.....that way madness lies!! (Bit like here sometimes!)
It takes moderation to a whole new dimension...
LOL!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:01 AM

Hmm ... the one thing that you haven't mentioned Ralphie is that there is actually a link on the thread about the "excellent Mud E-Ceilidh parody" which links back to this forum ... now THAT in my eyes is pure wicked genius. That one had me laughing rather more than a little!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:06 AM

Someone with a name not dissimilar to mine has stolen my sprout-based song ideas and posted them on the Mud-e-ceilidh "brassica" thread. This is blatant plagiarism and although I have absolutely no evidence to back it up, I suspect someone at sTROOF magazine is behind it. It's like "Scarborough Fair" never happened... probably!

I feel an almighty "Hmmph!!!!!" coming on…


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:23 AM

LOL! Well at least your name is similar Kev!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Seth T Wetlove
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:35 AM

It's a pity that Beatrice D Painsy had a sense of humour failure over this. Some people should just lighten up.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Jan Procum
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:59 AM

I'm just glad he's not got round to the Midsouth lineup thread...


Jan Procum (whose resemblance to teacakes or any other toasted comestibles is purely coincidental)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 09:32 AM

Mas has seen it, and thinks it's very good work.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 09:46 AM

Hilarious!

In addition to the parody's own entertainment value, some of the commentary over here at the Real Mudcat is almost as funny, albeit unintentionally so. (I'm referring to those posts that reveal an absolute absence of any sense of humo(u)r.)

I didn't expect I'd be able to actually post on Mud E Cheilidh~ if I had created it, I certainly wouldn't allow my handiwork to be altered ~ but I gave it a try anyway. I was astounded to see that, when I began typing "P-O..." into the "From:" box, a dropdown appeared reading "PoppaGator." Amazing level of detail!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 10:02 AM

Mr Gator...
Yes, it's all rather spooky isn't it!
Probably worth bookmarking, as I'm sure the site will expand as time allows.
I think that we all need to get a friendly kick up the arse every now and then.
Long may Mr Ignobody rool!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 10:23 AM

Parody of a 100th post


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 10:24 AM

I can't understand how this isn't funny! Great job and enjoyed obviously by all here unless they're on drugs or something........

Spaw(:<))


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:06 AM

Hey! I've been quoted exactly...and renamed in the process. "Rumble-O" indeed!

After a few clicks, it gets weird trying to remember which site you're on........


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:11 AM

This is one of the most fun threads on Mudcat for some time.
The parody link is very good too!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Old Vermin
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:16 AM

Told him it'd cause trouble...that Frank don't listen to nobody...

Vermin


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:22 AM

Vermin! So glad to see that the rumours of your demise are quite unfounded.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:24 AM

Sorry ... that was being overly familiar. Sorry Mr Valiant!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:27 AM

Jan dear ... I fear that having put that idea into his head may very well spark something off! Look what happened to young Kev and his wish for a live thread on songs about Brassicas!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Don Arsinane
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:27 AM

enjoyed obviously by all here unless they're on drugs or something

The trouble with old Dimsickle is that he's stopped taking the tablets, I reckon ;-)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:46 AM

I can only assume that Don Arsinane (whoever he is - I wish people would post under their real names) thinks that he is being funny and clever by introducing Dimsickle into this thread.

Come off it. Mr Arsinane, we are not that thick on Mudcat! We can all work out that Dimsickle is an anagram of the name of that great performer, KID C. SLIME!

Does Mr. Arsinane think that it is fair to have a sly pop at Kid just because he has had his sense of humour surgically removed?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:46 AM

For the further elucidation of anyone that's labouring under the misapprehension that I too am suffering a Borfolk sense of humour failure, I am not. The very first strip (In Southern Rag Vol. 1 No. 1 July - September 1979) was very, very funny. It was also too, too true and, at the same time, very sad:

A performer calls Mr Ingbody on the afternoon of a club night crying off.
Mr Ingbody adds £0000s to his firm's phone bill seeking a replacement, without success.
He then calls an agency. "They're free? HOW much?"
Rapidly weighing up the pros and cons, he makes a rare organisational decision and books them.
An already financially quaking Mr Ingbody is approached by the landlord as he arrives at The Swigging Pig.
"We have to put the rent up and, by the way, there's a snooker table in the club room", quoth mine host.
Only half the usual audience can get in as the House Full notice goes up.
Mine host remarks to Mr Ingbody: "House full eh? You must have made a tidy sum tonight".
Mr Ingbody: "I don't do it for money but for fun".

And so it goes on, right up to the present. It's why it's nothing short of a miracle that the shambling, ramshackle, unprofessional "f*lk club circuit" still exists 30 years on (just about). The reality is that unless it's fundamentally reorganised and put on a viable basis very, very soon it will vanish without trace. The question is, does this actually matter? Should it be run instead on a wholly revised premise (as many are already doing)? Or would it be preferable to forget all about "the revival" (as in "bury all reference to the post WW2 emergence of fake socialist states") and revert to "good old boys (sic) in the pub", which was roughly what my initial post yesterday (in an ante-ironic way, of course).

I hate anagrams and really can't be arsed to try and make one of my name. Possibly this means I should turn to substances too. Recommendations, Mr Arsinane?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 11:56 AM

Kid C Slime ... gosh Vic, I haven't seen him around for a long time. Talk about a trip down memory lane!! :-)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 12:20 PM

don arsinane is an anagram of Ian Anderson,the editor of folk roots,of course the poster could be anybody.,and probably is not Ian Anderson
Surrey Singer.
I am touring England.
Swindon April 3 , Swindon Folk Singers Club, Milton Rd Club,, Milton Rd, off Faringdon Rd, Swindon,, Eric Stott ,, Wilts
april 5. at Westoe Rugby Club,   Dean Road,
South Shields NE33 4EA
april 6,mystery folk club, Lancashire,
April 7,Darlington Brittania.
April 8, Gladstone Arms ,Carrington Nottingham
April 20,Waltham Abbey folk club
April.21,The Star. Romney marsh.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 12:20 PM

Mr. Bleaty did have a sense of humour, him did you know...unlike some here


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Harelip
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 12:46 PM

Our American (and Australian....and hello Skarpi!) friends must be scratching their collective heads (or in Spaws case, maybe somewhere else!).
Mind you. You yanks voted in 2 Bushes as President.
And you think were weird!!!
I have just notified the authorities, and from henceforth, HARELIP will be my name.
On a serious note. Lets keep this thread as funny as it has proved to be so far. There is too much bad news in the world at the moment.
So, come on Frank. Waddya gonna do next...? (and when are you going to book me?)
Sincerely
Harelip


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kev Boyd
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 12:50 PM

Diane wrote:
"those who can't even get the letters of F IngNobody in the right order…"

Diane later wrote:
"A performer calls Mr Ingbody…"

I thought:
"Hmmm…!"


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 01:19 PM

☺ Cruel but fair methinks, Kev. ☺


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:04 PM

Errmm ... Harelip... not sure that that's a good idea - the flyers for May have already been printed. (Mind you, it does sound rather Norse ... Harold Hardrada and Harold Harelip anyone?? )Well, it's not a booking but you have got a floorspot next Friday when Frank's away!!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:25 PM

I am really glad I've learned that our UK members can always be depended on to wind things up!**bg**

katdefinitelylaughing


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:32 PM

I get the general idea, Harelip, but I have to confess that you're right. I AM scratching my 'collective' head....

But what I understand, I think is hilarious.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 02:51 PM

I need to know something. Why is is that some people (no names, no pack drill)go to extraordinary lengths, in their postings, to show the rest of us just to how humourless (humorless) they are.

As the poster High Hopes stated...

"Some take things waaayyyyyyy too seriously don't they?"


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:16 PM

Pretty clever. Byt as a Yank, the true identities of the people described by the anagrams elude me.
I don't understand Cpt Birdseye and Dianne's need to get their undies in twist over this parody, but that element of contention and vindictiveness is one of the endearing traits of the conversation here at the Mud-e-Ceilidh.
Looking forward to more additions to the page. I am happy to supply some Catspaw(Dogsfoot)posts to Frank's parody if required.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:30 PM

Interactivity on the parody would be absolutely perfect


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:36 PM

Dianne's need

Fuck off (and give me but one N - can't you do anagrams either?).
I have no problem with parodies, if well done. What I said was that I got slightly bored with Borfolk 30 years ago, believing that the parlous state of the music industry was a far more serious matter. Still do. Comprehension remains, however, not the average mudscribbler's strong point.

Mr Bleaty and I considered ourselves twins once, having been born four days apart. One thing we agreed on entirely was that So, Do No Tory Now (almost but not quite resolved anagram - told you I was rubbish at them) was the one with the humour bypass.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:43 PM

Have also been told that Mr Bellamy would often answer the phone...."Bleaty here!"

There's the picture in the Wake the Vaulted Echoes retrospective of PB with scrabble board on which are the words Bleating Boring Old Traddy. Can't find it on a Google image search though...

Fuck - I'm now the same age PB was when he died. Not a good thought!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:49 PM

Diane, one of my favourite quotes about Peter Bellamy (whom I admire greatly is:

"Bellamists subscribe to a belief in the absolute purity and oneness of all things Bellamy, and bleat daily incantations in the hope of advancing the day when he will finally return to reign in ever-lasting glory."
-Jon Boden


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:52 PM

Dreadfully sorry, your ladyship. Not only for my lack of comprehension of the fact that the parlous state of music so on and so forth doesn't allow for the kind of monkey business represented by Borfolk, but that said lack would induce you to admonish me with such a crude epithet as "Fuck off".
I will now take the extra N I inadvertently assigned to you and go sulk in the corner.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:57 PM

Erm, yes. So what's new that you're telling me? That's been on the Jon'n'John (or do I mean Nerd'n'Spoon) website since 2002.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:07 PM

More than likely it's been there since 2002 but as I said it's one of my favourite quotes about Mr. Bellamy. Probably due to exceedingly bad taste on my part I'm no fan of Messers Boden and Speirs.

Belatedly I've realised that there's no being nice to 'er ladyship so bugger it...*LOL*


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:08 PM

While sulking in a corner (such a useful activity) you might puzzle out who Mr Bleaty and I were talking about. The subject was, after all, killed on a US roadside.

As for "really serious matters", I have another gripe to lay at the door of the transatlantic cousins. A decade ago I was driven demented by the proliferation of those luggage trolleys infesting the island of Manhattan, tripping up all and sundry. Now they're here. Everywhere. Used as offensive weapons against ordinary pedestrians.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:22 PM

Well, at least we gave you McDonald's. And never a word of thanks for that!
And those luggage carts aren't so bad really. Several years ago, trying to navigate a congested intersection in Heathrow, I would never have made my plane in time if I hadn't used one as a battering ram to drive a wedge through a morosely trudging queu of Brits who refused to acknowledge my polite "excuse me, please!" or even "coming through!" until I finally shouted "watch your ass"" and plowed through, like a broadside from the USS Constitution going through the beam of the HMS Guerriere.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Acme
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:41 PM

Very clever!

I don't know who the folks on the UK side are, with or without anagrams. But the author signed his work, so that isn't a mystery--except that I don't know who he is, either. :)

SRS


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:47 PM

Damn the buffaloes, Ernie........ Full speed ahead, sir!!!!!!

...where the hell did I lay that blue coat........

Mick


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:51 PM

like Diane,I thought these cartoons were funny 30 years ago.
and undoubtedly they are funny the first time you see them.
now I find them predictable and much else.the drawings are excellent
one final point,are we not allowed to have a different sense of humour wothout being called humourless.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Les from Hull
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 05:08 PM

Surely the whole point of parody is to go over the top with it, with the hope that people will recognise some of the elements, and probably think 'thank goodness we're not quite that bad'. I thought it extremely funny, and long may it continue and expand.

On the subject of Mr Bleaty's sense of humour, and his love of blues music, I'm reminded of the time he put his version of Robert Johnson's 'Stones in my Passway' on an LP (which is what we had in them days). To give it that element of veracity he added some scratches from an old military marching band record he had. Of course, there were no of these modern recording techniques then. He was surprised when someone return the record with a complaint 'there's something wrong with this track'. They didn't notice that the scratches were going at 78rpm and the record was going at 33rpm!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 05:54 PM

. . . and think 'thank goodness we're not quite that bad'

But they are that bad. And worse. And have been for 30 odd years. That's the tragedy.
The mantra is still "professionalism bad, amateurishness good".
No, it isn't.
I can't read Lawrence Heath's mind, though I'd be very surprised if he was endorsing such smugness and self-satisfaction.
I'm much more inclined to believe that Frank's alter ego was hoping people might recognise something of themselves and work for improvement by following his real-life example instead.
If many more had, the musbiz wouldn't be in such a terminal mess.
Dick's right in identifying Borfolk as "predictable", still worse, it's self-perpetuating.
That's what's not so much funny as scary about it.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 06:33 PM

I've enjoyed what I've been able to find, but I can't find
'Loved the "Click me" which puts a foot through the banjo...'
and
'- and The A.L.Lloyd Fake Song Award goes to.....'

Can some kind soul please provide direct links?

Richard


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Acme
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 06:43 PM

You know what the mudcat banjo looks like at the top of the page. Simply click on that knock-off image and it changes.

Not sure where the other one is.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 07:58 PM

Richard, I think the A.L.LLoyd reference is just Mr/Ms High Hopes paying a compliment to this page:

this page


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:27 PM

I'm full of admiration for this excellent parody, and also for the protagonists in this typical Mudcat discussion. Definitive and seemingly unanswerable arguments are put forward only to be countered by equally definitive and unanswerable arguments from an entirely different viewpoint. I've sat at the computer into the early hours following threads like this many times over the years, sometimes confused, usually bemused but always very amused (that's almost poetry).

Bert Davrose


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 08:35 PM

"one final point,are we not allowed to have a different sense of humour wothout being called humourless."

Of course you are, if you're on drugs.......Otherwise there is a surcharge and a luxury tax payable to Max.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 10:10 PM

Ah, my LeeJ! swoons, hand held to brow...


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 10:30 PM

Aw, all the women react to LeeJ that way. Can't figure out why...


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:57 AM

It ain't easy being green, is it, Joe?**bg** (All ya'd have to do is invite us up to your lighthouse sometime and wax poetic about wildflowers or summat.:-)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:04 AM

From Captain Birdsey:
like Diane,I thought these cartoons were funny 30 years ago.
…………………………………………………………………
now I find them predictable ……………………………………..


and from Diane Easby:
……….I got bored with Borfolk 30 years ago,………..

So, where did either of you see the Mudcat parody 30 years ago? Even if the message is the same, the approach is fresh and amusing.



From another thread:

For more than 30 years Mudcat's Dick Miles has been play and writing traditional music………………….

Captain, perhaps it's a good job people don't apply your sense of humour to their musical tastes, otherwise you could find your upcoming tour playing to pretty small audiences.


DC


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:01 AM

Summarised above is the scenario of the very first Borfolk. And nothing's changed on the English landscape 30 years on, other than that there's now an additional coterie of smugness and self-congratulatory, insular mediocrity right here on t'internet, hence the lampooning Mud e-ceilidh.

As mentioned before, Lawrence Heath's intention is surely not to encourage "f*lkies" (yuk) to regard each other with ever-increasing, inward-looking, GEFFist affection and assume "we're not that bad". Yes, you are.

Frank/Lawrence soldiered on in Boring, hoping though largely failing to lead the "revival" by example. On the other hand, I got the hell out of it and promoted events in mainland Europe where the attitude of councils, funding bodies and punters alike towards tradarts is (unlike England) that it's a "normal" activity worthy of support.

It's invidious to single out Dick Miles as he's only one of hundreds of artists struggling precariously to survive on a circuit awash with faux cliquiness and amateurishness. Get real. Tradarts is a business where its workforce and products are now more than ever in need of professional marketing and promotion.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 05:57 AM

Spaw, not sure it's fair to make all these drug references to Spacy Inebriated or Acidtrip Bans Eye or whatever he's called.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:34 AM

Diane.
What on earth are you talking about???
It's just a bit of fun.
I've failed to make a living at playing music too. Am I bovvered...?
No, I'm not.
But, I'll carry on losing money, because most of the people I encounter are very pleasant.
Just lighten up a bit will you?
(that applies to Dick Miles too)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Thin Seal
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:40 AM

This thread has passed beyond parody.

Ran Cry Beer


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:46 AM

Don't you mean Rapody?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Shat Nile
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:54 AM

No, I meant Ay dropy (in oor eee).

Craneberry


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:01 AM

Thin Seal ... that's so much nicer than the usual gastropod!

Thee Silenter


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:02 AM

Sorry - should have signed that off properly.

Surgery Siren


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:06 AM

Well said Ralph! If the folk scene is truly as bad as Diane constantly portrays it, why on earth does she bother with it at all? If one believes something is truly awful and incapable of remedy, then abandon it and get involved in something that does give you pleasure.

As a young man I was very involved in British left-wing politics. The internecine in-fighting of the various very small groups had to be experienced to be believed. I soon realised that these factions were going nowhere so I turned my back on them.

And this is where another parody comes in! There are some sections in The Life of Brian where the British Left is parodied as the various Judean liberation movements. I laughed hugely at these whilst realising that they were very close to the truth.

The British folk scene is riddled with hopeless amateurs and characters who do not realise how laughable they are; that is indisputable BUT the movement still stands as one of the viable alternatives to the mainstream music industry whose methods and products I loathe heartily. For that reason, I shall stick with the folkies and continue to try to present that music I love in an acceptable and vibrant way as I possibly can. The numbers attending the weekly folk club that I run suggest that I am having some success.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Will Fly
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:13 AM

Vic - you are indeed having success - and more than just some. Those of us who attend your club, either regularly or from time to time, can only applaud your determination and dedication - while continuing to have a good old belly laugh at Borfolk, Mud-E Ceilidh and all the stuff that Greg brought to our notice in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:17 AM

Vic Old Bean.
Never has a truer word been spoken.
Onwards Mon Brave..!
Now.....back to the point of this thread.
The Vermin Divided, will never be United!
(hopefully)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM

Mr Smith of Lewes isn't (in common with others) following the thread. I already made that point two days ago:

It was less antagonistic to do the rounds of ultra-left splinter groups (or warring born-again christian sects - probably, but I wouldn't really know, not having tried any, not even ISB-scientology . . . )

I went on to mention that I took to writing instead. That (as I'm sure I've mentioned before) is why I don't "join" anything, nor indeed perform (much). It's unethical for a necessarily outside observer to do so. But I have been everything, from all sides of all fences, for a very long time. That's why I "bother" to be concerned about extraordinarily hostile and/or self-deprecating attitudes of the English towards the music I have grown up with since my grandfather first taught me in the early 1950s. It's what aspects of the revival has done that I pour scorn on. I am, of course, only assuming but I think L Heath's wake-up call is the same as mine. Laughing at Borfolk is all very well, as long as the crucial need to improve standards and working conditions is not lost in irrelevant guffaws.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MjzGyKmiw&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MjzGyKmiw&feature=related
now this is what I call funny.
Ralphie you are very good at telling myself and Diane what to do,and what we should laugh at,are you a humour fascist?
you must laugh at Borfolk or else.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:10 AM

Well, I started this thread to draw attention to an amusing, clever and modern parody of Mudcat, which most folkies have obviously greastly enjoyed. Whether certain people found Borfolk cartoons in Southern Rag amusing thirty years ago, but not now, is sort of vaguely interesting. But not hugely relevant
love and peace
Pert Hens'Eggs xx


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:17 AM

Absolutely great!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:33 AM

Greg,
If you go to @displaysong.cfm?SongID=521 you will find a song that is really suitable for a person who has an anagram of his name works out as Spent Her Eggs


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:41 AM

This is very clever. I'm into parodies and puns.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:42 AM

Greg Me old mucker.
It's been a very pleasant thread, and thanks for pointing us all in the Mud-E-Ceilidh direction.
It's a shame that two participants didn't get the joke!
(The creator of the original website is loving the reaction BTW.)
I now look forward to the updates.
Just off for a pint with Old Vermin....It's his round!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:45 AM

Captain Birdseye

are you a humour fascist?

Tan-ta-ra-ta-ra-TAAAAAAAA!

Its that Godwin's Law moment!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:50 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dct_VJNLvAk


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:51 AM

now that is funny Ramblin SydRumpo.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:52 AM

I woke this morning believing I had found the link to the Borfolk page with the A.L. Lloyd reference - complete with a brilliant illustration of Ian A. making the announcement. I was going to go straight downstairs and do a blue clicky for Richard Mellish, when it dawned on me that I had found it while I was asleep - it was just a creation by my fevered subconscious.

But you never know - sometimes people dream things up and then they appear as if by magic.

pi toes


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:54 AM

Kenneth Williams?
Well, whatever floats your boat.
And the relevance to this thread is?????


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:56 AM

I love the parody, and am enjoying this thread immensely. Like Diane, I am shite at anagrams. I tried the anagram generators to create one for meself, no luck on any of them.

Virtual pint for the most creative one for "Big Mick".


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:57 AM

Snail,No ,because Ive never accused anyone of lacking a sense of humour.
I said I didnt find something funny,all that means,is that my sense of humour is different from Ralphs.
if other people dont find Groucho OR Ramblin Syd funny,Idont accuse them of lacking a sense of humour.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM

BIG MICK...
Bit of a a bugger that one ....only 2 vowels, and they're both "I's"
Naaaa... nothing pops into my perview...Name change perhaps?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:02 AM

Greg - thanks for the thread - both Kendall and I enjoyed the parody a great deal. I reckon that there is stuff there that we haven't yet found and that we will have more laughs at this brilliant piece of work for some time yet.

Ms Easby and Captain Birdseye - why don't you just stop reading the thread, rather than looking down your noses or bringing in grievances which have nothing to do with the subject? I, for one, am getting rather tired of your attitudes, which spoil so many interesting threads, which then can become so boring that I stop reading them. Go away and let us lesser mortals enjoy these things without your censure.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:11 AM

jacqui c.
Thumbs up from me.
Well said.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:12 AM

ok, Boss.I promise to obey your orders.
sorry youdidnt enjoy Groucho and Syd,but I wont censure you for that we are all entitled to a different sense of humour.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM

rather tired

I'm extremely tired of tiny minds that can't even spell W - I - D - E - R    I - S - S - U - E - S.

But those who want to snigger their way to oblivion unable to recognise how much needs to be done to rescue and improve the status of the tradarts, so be it.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM

>b>Captain Birdseye

Snail,No ,because Ive never accused anyone of lacking a sense of humour.

Lighten up, Captain. Did you follow the link? I was just suggesting that the word "fascist" was a teensy-weensy bit inappropriate in the context of this thread.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:19 AM

Excellent - why is it that some people just cant have a good laugh. Get a life and dont read the thread!!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:20 AM

jacqui, you know I love you, and I am so glad you married that beloved old coot and came to Amerikay. But if you are to be a proper Yank, you must, my dear, drop that English reserve and learn to say what's on your mind!! We are a loudmouthed, uncouth lot, and usually say what's on our minds over here. So enough with the English reserve, ok, sweetie?

Kendall, could I have the loan of a pry bar? I must dislodge my aul tongue from my cheek. Seems to be stuck in there rather well.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:45 AM

Mick - I cheated and added - but the very first anagram listed was "Alembic King" another was "Cabling Mike"


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:48 AM

Enough already.
Good grief. A small insignificant thread, gently lampooning Mudcat, perpetrated by an innocent Englishman, (apparently rather liked by the Mudcat Toffs!!),has been turned into a political rant by two individuals.

Stop Now Please!

Dick and Diane. Please desist.
The rest of us were having a laugh. Is that a concept that doesn't fit into your lives?
Seriously, there is no further point in continuing this thread. It has been violated totally.
Which is such a shame, because it was really rather funny.
Stupid....Yes
Pointless...Yes
Relevant....Mmmmm Maybe!
Apologies to our American paymasters for pissing you off totally...it;s a UK thing.
Ralphie
Still can't get an anagram out of Big Mick.....Humbug!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:57 AM

If you add a surname Mick, you get the very apposite

I be calm king - or - I becalm king.

Dick & Di

Can you two snobs go away and let us enjoy this clever parody?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:04 AM

"Status of the tradarts"???

Not what this thread is about ... could I suggest that those who wish to have a serious discussion on this point start up a thread which is specifically for that purpose ? I doubt, incidentally, whether the source singers, musicians or dancers of yore would have been aware of "tradarts" or have perceived what they did as requiring or having a "status". That smacks more of the performance arts world - not what this music and song was originally about.

Back to the thread .. Big Mick ... dodgy one... how about Kim C Gib ? I think you're probably on a loser.

Anyhow, must dash - off to see a talk by Judy Cook.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:47 AM

Anyhow, must dash - off to see a talk by Judy Cook.

Lucky you! We have her doing a house concert in South Portland in April - can't wait!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:24 AM

There is a time and place for "wider issues." This is not it.

Mick,there's a bunch if you use your surname, i.e. "Lace Mink."**bg**

Gain Talk Hug


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Acme
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:29 AM

Diane said

I'm extremely tired of tiny minds that can't even spell W - I - D - E - R    I - S - S - U - E - S.
But those who want to snigger their way to oblivion unable to recognise how much needs to be done to rescue and improve the status of the tradarts, so be it.


and

I went on to mention that I took to writing instead. That (as I'm sure I've mentioned before) is why I don't "join" anything, nor indeed perform (much). It's unethical for a necessarily outside observer to do so.

There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from performing AND critiquing, should you choose to. Nothing unethical about it. As a critic you delude yourself if you really think you're on the outside looking in, because you were already a performer. I suspect you've placed yourself in the margins where your writing voice and your performing have cancelled each other out and the complaint we are reading here is the result.

Poking fun at oneself as in that parody means the writer is in the mix, he recognizes the medium he's part of. He recognizes it's nature, and it's flaws. He's the fish who sees the water it swims in. He's the critic, with a sense of humor, who reached more people with this parody than you have with your complaint.

This analysis is offered free of charge--I know nothing about your performing or your criticism. I'm just reading between the lines.

SRS (Versatile Grisly)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:56 AM

Someone said:

Status of the tradarts . . . [is] . . . not what this thread is about

Actually, it is. And as there have been umpteen previous unresolved discussions wrecked by the very people being lampooned in the fake thread, there is no need for another.

Lawrence/Frank thought it might be fun to take the piss out of those so removed from reality that they fail to make a connection between their own lives and the cultural heritage that's out there, (in their backyards, to use an English Acoustic Collective expression).

The sainted "tradition" (if it ever really existed), disappeared long ago and its resurrection has been distorted and damaged by prissy middle-class "collectors". Yes, they wrote down a few things (songs lacking words and put tunes through the washer-drier then ironed them) but we'll never know how much these interfering busybodies destroyed or altered. Trad music now is performance art, even the few and far between snippets still being found among travellers. Music of the people being composed today is art music because it involves revivalists seeking inspiration at second hand from those deeply involved in their landscapes, trades and environments (c.v. Chris Wood of the EAC again) or the creators of the Radio Ballads (both generations). It is from here that the tradarts will continue and grow, once songwriters and musicians have recovered from the damage inflicted by (a) the education system over the past several generations which has forced them to ignore and despise their inheritance and (b) from the worst excesses of the snigging-snogging "revival". Children can learn to understand and to love what their parents rejected in favour of instant pop culture and, eventually, will add themselves to the people's culture which is theirs by right.

Contrast that prospect with the snarlings of those who think they're being exhorted not to "have a laugh". Just what is it you think you're laughing at? Of course I think Borfolk is funny on one level (and I believe Dick does too, apart from an unfortunate lapse when he imagined me poor old mate Bleaty was being maligned). I'm amazed (OK, no I'm not) that what some scribblers can't or won't acknowledge is that the hardest swipe is at the GEFFs, those whose idea of "fun" is to belt out one or two usually inappropriate chords topped by a vocal in an unrelated key and call it . . . yeah, that's right . . . in cliquey "clubs" which are, unfortunately, not nearly private enough, and then whinge incessantly when the general public thinks they're bonkers and that the noise they make is rubbish anyway.

It's been my lifelong ambition to raise awareness of the tradarts to the cultural status they deserve, an achievement already realised in most other countries I have worked in or at least visited. It will never be acceptable to laugh at the low, maligned image portrayed (and sometimes deservedly as a result of sloppy presentation) in many branches of the English media. That is why it is necessary to examine the wider implications of such inhouse lampooning and make sure no more of it escapes into wider currency.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:59 AM

Do you get paid to write for any publications? If so, why not go do that and leave this thread alone?! You're definitely not going to make a living writing here.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:10 PM

Rumour (rumor) has it that Diane Easby has/does write for publication, not sure which ones. I must admit to getting a wee bit tired of the some of the rather verbose postings, and not just on this particular thread and not just by the aforementioned personage. Some judicious editing is perhaps needed in some cases?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:17 PM

Most music journalists have some performance experience as part of their backgrounds. Many also have dabbled in promotion, management or organisation too. Indeed, the more diverse practical experience within the chosen genre, the better the understanding and thus quality of criticism is likely to result. But no, wearing more than one hat at once is not only potentially unethical but lays the aspiring journalist open to accusations of bias.

And how off-topic is that? But someone did ask . . .

Oh, and I made my living from both writing and from production for many a long year. Meanwhile, I made no money whatsoever for me out of promotion as it was largely for benefits for anti-racist/fascist, anti-Tory, anti-union-bashing, anti-imperialist solidarity and liberation causes. Making money for myself was not the remit, though I doubt if you will grasp this concept.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:23 PM

Diane, I have great respect for your views as to professionalism, and protecting the real performers ability to get paid. Having said that, I must say that it is annoying and boorish to continue to take over threads, like this where folks are simply having a bit of a good time, and twist it into a tirade. It almost seems like a way to simply draw attention to yourself. I must admit to wondering, at times, as to your motives.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:35 PM

Then I suggest that if people really do want to ask me such fucking stupid, off-topic questions, they do so offlist. If I reply, they will be invoiced.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:44 PM

Diane.
I think what Big Mick, and others are saying (in a polite way), is Please put a sock in it.
Why do you persist in wrecking other peoples fun?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:53 PM

If I was going to say put a sock in it, I'd say so, and not in a polite way, so far I haven't said so.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:55 PM

Do I tell you to put a sock over your concertina?
Far from "spoiling anyone's fun" I'm indicating connections and trains of thought and indeed action to enhance the music's profile, which they are apparently missing.
As, in fact, I believe to be the purpose of Frank's venture in the first place.
Though I may, of course, be completely wasting my breath / time . . .


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:00 PM

Nice try, Mick, but perhaps too subtle. Apparently she can't start a new thread all of her own to discuss the "wider issues."


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:07 PM

Perhaps Mud E Ceilidh could open up one've the 'controversy' threads, just for arguments sake?


Peaty Shrimps


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:13 PM

Perhaps Mud E Ceildh could have a thread 101 ways to tell someone to please leave, it might increase some folks vocabulary enough that they dont keep repeating the same epithet.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:24 PM

There is no point in starting yet another thread about attitudes to traditional music: academic v pisstake, if you like. I have already said so in reply to someone who told me this was not the topic. It is. I also don't believe "Da Management" would want multiple threads on the same theme.

I am speaking to what I see as the implications of the topic and what I believe "Frank" was getting at, though I could, of course, be wrong.

Many of you, however, are now talking about me. Why? I'm not the topic nor am I interesting, but the state of the music industry and possibly ways to rescue and boost traditional music is, and is crucially important.

Do continue (if you really want) to ignore the herds of elephants rampaging about the room. Some deity of choice might step in with a miracle to rescue our cultural heritage. Though I wouldn't bank on it.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:27 PM

IF that's what you're trying to do, build up and preserve cultural heritage, there are better ways than beating folks over the head and cursing at them.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:29 PM

"Fuck off, dipshit" works for me.However, if the "Target" is a verbose, pedantic pain in the ass I might be a bit more erudite.
But, you all know me, I hate to complain.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:42 PM

Twa 'undred!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:06 PM

Oh dear, the grapes are very sour today.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:28 PM

Tell ya' what Gioko.....Let's talk about the merits of farting "Duelling Banjos" while blowing dope. Whaddaya think? I find its very relevant to a fun thread about Mudcat and as we already have a couple of folks on drugs and stomping on their personal flaming shit bags it oughta' go like gangbusters...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Bewitched
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:32 PM

Are Captain Birdseye and Diane Easby real people or part of the whole Borfolk parody? Surely, nobody can be as pompous, humourless, self-important and bitter as these two? They are cartoon characters, yes? The Easby creation claims to be a writer but I've googled her and while there are hundreds of demented entries causing fights on message boards, there's not one proper piece of writing under her name.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:00 PM

"Are Captain Birdseye and Diane Easby real people?"

Captain Birdseye
apparently he's dead......

No surely not.......
but honestly, officer, she looked dead


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:13 PM

This thread belongs on the parody website. Brilliant piece of work, guys.
Spaw, as your keeper, I must insist that you behave or retire to Jacqui's cellar...NOW!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:16 PM

"This thread belongs on the parody website. Brilliant piece of work, guys"

I'm all for the parody being opened up to interactivity, for those WITH a sense of humour (humor), of course.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:16 PM

Not to our cellar he doesn't. You've paid for him - you keep him in your cellar. I'd be worried about the noxious gases combining with the pilot light on the boiler!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:25 PM

It does sometimes occur to me that I might, inadvertently, have strayed into an obscure dialect of a defunct Indo-European language of which even I have scarcely absorbed the rudiments of syntax or morphology. Particularly when I ask why the fuck are people talking about me?

But no, I have checked this thread (at least) and confirmed to myself that I have addressed consistently the topic of what and who Lawrence / Frank was getting at in the fake thread and what results was he hoping to achieve.

I could, of course, (as previously noted) be entirely wrong, but a wild guess would be that he wanted GEFFs in ill-fitting anoraks to consider, just for once, how their blinkered, entirely unreal, ill-considered (ahem) renditions (and scribblings) damaged the image of tradarts to the outside, "normal" world and to assess how they might do just a little to untarnish it.

But no, they're still talking about me and not about what I said (because they haven't read it or else are unable to assimilate it), oh no, just variations on what they imagine I might have said, though wouldn't think so if they actually knew me.

Earlier today I saw that an especially dim nurse had inscribed across my notes that I "communicated well in English". I said that yes, of course I do but would you like me to communicate with you in some other language and if so, which? I could ask the same here.

Entirely off-topic alert:

Although the bulk of my journalism has been of an industrial and political nature, I wrote my first music pieces for English Dance & Song and Club Folk over 40 years ago. I was a Morning Star music writer (among other things) for nearly a decade between Trevor Hyett before me and Karl Dallas after me. I have freelanced for more publications than I can be arsed to list and got a host of dancers and musicians onto children's telly programmes (whether they wanted to or not). All of which is almost entirely irrelevant except that it does indicate that I do know what goes on in the real world of music as opposed to the singaround at No- Farting-Under-The-Haystack.



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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:29 PM

Phaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppppppppp


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Les from Hull
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:33 PM

Well, this thread surely proves why it is appropriate to parody Mudcat! Although I don't think anyone could quite do it as well as we have. At least it made me look at anagrams for my Mudcat name.

Smell of Hurl


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:41 PM

Hijack Zone Men


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:18 PM

It is very sad....

Look at the great feeling of fun and mirth that was generated in the early postings in this thread.

Then look at the vituperative tirades that it has descended into in its latter parts.

In the guidelines for posting on to this board, it says, "We believe that Mudcatters are blessed with common sense and admirable judgment, and should have little need of rules." I think that this thread shows that this is not the case.

If Mudcat had firm and fair board administators, surely some contributors would have been banned by now.

So, pausing only to point out that an anagram of VIC AND TINA SMITH is CHAINS DI IN MT VAT, I'm out of here.

And in case the previous paragraph is misinterpreted, can I point out that I am trying to salvage some ironic humour from this turn of events?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:24 PM

So this really is a parody?????


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:39 PM

"So this really is a parody?????"

Damn it we've been sussed! *LOL*


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:40 PM

Are Captain Birdseye and Diane Easby real people?

Dick is and so am I. We both play English concertina, though not together.
I'm not on Facebook. That pic's a fake. A Céline Dion fan? Pah.
Where does this crap come from?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 05:20 PM

"Where does this crap come from?"
Oh dear...*sigh*
Humour (humor) once more was the driving force behind me hunting down some online references to The Captain and Diane Easby (wait a sec that sounds like..oh never mind! ;-) )

Captain Birdseye was easy (though I must admit I initially typed Captain Birdseed into Google)

Diane Easby was going to be harder, first off having to avoid all her postings on various bulletin boards (there's lots of those, as our viewers may know)I settled on the Face Book thingie, simply because, well, I thought it was hilarious, particularly the reference to Celine Dion


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 05:39 PM

Ironic ☺


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:03 PM

Lots of references?
I suppose there might be. I haven't looked since I used to be somebody else.
It comes of an ability to write to topic on a wide range of subjects.
So, not much scope in a thread which puerile sniggering schoolpersons (no, let's be accurate, mainly schoolboys) want to keep pegged down to the lowest common denominator.
I think, after all, I might be on Facebook but under what identity I can't remember. I might have been substance-influenced at the time.
Should anyone find me, I'm really not interested in knowing about it.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Frank Ingnobody
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:32 PM

Always liked that Die Online, especially her hit song My Hog Will Eat On. We must get her down to Warring-on-Thames some day.

Regards,   

Drink on, fang boy


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:57 PM

an anagram of VIC AND TINA SMITH is CHAINS DI IN MT VAT, I'm out of here

Ant And His Victim, surely


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:02 PM

Where else would I get to be

ANAL HEN NOISE

(If I put in the B it makes me a banal hen. Boring. Still don't know what to do with that stupid J.)


I hereby dub our esteemed moderator Joe Offer

OREO JEFF


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:50 PM

Interesting that Frank should have posted like that ... considering that those anagrams don't work ... not his usual high standard..


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:52 PM

... and the fact that at the time of posting, I doubt if he would have made it home from the club. Do I smell an impostor here???


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Howard Jones
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:51 PM

Ms Easby, you appear to me to have addressed consistently the topic of what you wish Lawrence / Frank was getting at in the fake thread and what results was he hoping to achieve. The rest of us were simply assuming he might be trying to amuse us by poking gentle fun at the peculiar little world we inhabit. Terribly naive of us and not showing much political awareness, I'm afraid, but there's more than enough other threads addressing the topics you want to discuss.

You're showing all the stereotypical failings of the Left: taking everything far too seriously, turning everything into an issue, and boring its opponents into submission.

This is, or was, a light-hearted thread, so lighten up.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 01:51 AM

Gee, I was hoping for my own, personal anagram. "Oreo Jeff"?
Well, I suppose it could be a lot worse....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:52 AM

No, I won't be "lightening up" any time soon, so you can keep your patronising homilies for your semi-detatched, suburban-lite, Daily Mail coffee mornings.

Yesterday I was actually thinking of calling Lawrence / Frank for confirmation that he was taking the piss out of the fatuous, middle-class equivalent of fiddling while the eternal city was on fire, but decided that surely nobody actually fritters away their time solving tedious, turgid, timewasting anagrams as an end in itself. While they could, after all, admit that they just can't be arsed to try and change things, they won't cos that's just not in their strategy and tactics. Like they'll trot along to Tory Bozza's free St George's fest because it's simpler to get to than the Tolpuddle commemoration and kid themselves with "Oooh, it's just like 1965" and remain blind to the economic and social cataclysms thundering around them.

But hold on, you're telling me that there are those who try to turn their pointless, anodyne non-activity into a virtuous excuse for doing sod all at best and assuming the status quo will go on and on and on . . . Are these, I wonder, the very same plastic holograms who sit in serried ranks at Cambridge doing Sudoku? Sounds like a stereotypical failing of the brainwashed descendants of Thatcherism to me.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: caitlin rua
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:52 AM

Surreysinger (or is that Guildfordgargler?) I think you may be reading more into that ghost post than was put there. It just looks to me like an attempt to turn the subject away from all the fighting and nastiness and get the thread back into a better mood (that is, if it wants to be in a better mood).

F. Ingnobody is not a person. He is a cartoon character. His creator has got a lot of mileage out of doing parodies, including one of Mudcat, so it's fair enough when the shoe is occasionally on the other foot. It's just a harmless bit of fun, for Heaven's sake. It's a tribute to F.I. that he's still so famous after all these years.   

In the words of Rumble O over on Mud-e-ceilidh: You've really arrived when you are well-known enough and relevant enough to be parodied.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,OK so I'm not F. Ingnobody
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 04:23 AM

Oh come on, the anagrams aren't THAT bad. Celine Dion is only missing her C, the song title its R, and I got my name right, didn't I?

Anyway like Caitlin said, it was just a joke to try and lighten things up. (Too bad it didn't work for more than an hour.) Didn't mean to rattle yer cage. Move on now?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 05:26 AM

Oreo - Yep, it could be a whole lot worse. The only other things I could think of were ROOF FEE, which left me with yet another J that I didn't know what to do with, or else

O JEER OFF

So count yourself lucky!

Love,

Anal Hen

(no, you can't call me "Anal" for short...)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Haruo
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 05:37 AM

Yeah, that's pretty cool, but it wouldn't let me actually start a controversy (maybe because I tried to post as "ᏓᏆᏙᎥ ᏥᏤᎳᎵᏥ (dzidzəlalič)" and it couldn't spell it. Haruo


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 05:57 AM

I love Diane's post ironic humour.
With talent like that, she should go far.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:06 AM

And starts the journey Today !


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:40 AM

Hey Caitlin and Frank Clone... you are both actually reading far more into my post than was there, as well ;-)   No cages rattled, as such ...read those posts again and you'll see that I was just pointing out that that post wasn't actually from Frank/Lawrence - physically impossible as he was actually in the process of MC'ing the club at the time. I was mildly amused, and had to check the timings of the posts to be sure !

And Frank Clone,sorry, surely it's not an anagram if you haven't used all the letters ?

The one thing we defintely are agreed on is that it would be good for this thread to revert to the cheerful state it was originally in!

And Joe ... I could only come up with Jef Orfeo   ...shame, could have done with another F ... but I suppose these days the spelling of names is variable. Great surname, though!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:46 AM

I used to post as "Lewd" Pip Radish, which is an anagram of... urhh...
-toc- -toc- -toc- -toc-
-badup, badup, badalabup! bong!

Philip Edwards

Oh, yeah. Never mind.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Howard Jones
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:46 AM

Ms Easby, the point is that you have made up your mind that this thread is about one thing, when everyone else has told you repeatedly that it's about something else. The points you are making may be perfectly valid, it's just that this thread isn't the place for them. There are plenty of other threads, past and present, to do that.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:48 AM

Now it's our great illustrious leader's turn, who needs to either tell us what the D in his middle name stands for, or else risk going down in history for all time as

LEX MAGPIES


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Cllr
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:49 AM

hmmm lead fingers becomes deaf lingers


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:58 AM

I normally sign off my posts as "DC" - not too many anagrams for that!


CD


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,OK so I'm not F. Ingnobody
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:05 AM

S'pose you're right about not using all the letters, Surrey - but

CONNIE LIED

just doesn't have quite the same ring about it. And we never know whether Connie has been untruthful or that she specialises in German classical song. Maybe she and Jef Orfeo could get together and sing a duet of

MY ONE ILL WARTHOG


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:17 AM

Now Connie Lied would work better for me... and I LOVE that title ... much better in each case than the original!!!

As for Max - Mel "Six" Page ? of Mel A Pigsex ?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: evansakes
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:23 AM

This thread is just too funny for words. Clearly a wicked conspiracy between Diane and F.Ingnobody and they must both be creasing themselves now with every successive irate plea to 'lighten up', 'naff off' and 'get a life'.

This whole debate is a complete 'wind-up' and we've all been well and truly 'had'? It's astonishing that people would be able to take all those 'outraged' postings above seriously as it would be clinically impossible for any one individual to be so completely bereft of a sense of humour.

Wouldn't it?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Will Fly
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:34 AM

Hmmph! Not many anagrams available for my name.

L.F. Willy


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:41 AM

It's been a fantastic spectator sport, but I'm just a little disappointed that nobody from E-coli has joined in the scrap here.

They (the e-ceilidh mailing list, dedicated to narrowing the definition of English ceilidh to as narrow a list of approved bands and callers as possible and looking contemptuously down on absolutely everybody else) are obviously targetted in the Mud-e-ceilidh name and logo as well.

Presumably a three-line-whip has been issued, and all their horror and outrage has been limited to internal e-coli distribution only!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:43 AM

You feeling seedy Doug?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 07:53 AM

No, just wanted to record my words.

CD


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Gedi
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 08:22 AM

"This whole debate is a complete 'wind-up' and we've all been well and truly 'had'? It's astonishing that people would be able to take all those 'outraged' postings above seriously as it would be clinically impossible for any one individual to be so completely bereft of a sense of humour.

Wouldn't it?"

Couldn't have put it better myself TF.
I think DE is really another 'creation' of F.Ingnobody just to see how far he can push the envelope.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 08:42 AM

Since I have not commented on this thread does it mean that I am saved?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 08:44 AM

Aw cum oan Gedi theres naebuddy kin push an envelope that far.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 09:43 AM

DaveS ... LOL!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 10:02 AM

Just as a matter of general interest and to confirm that they DO exist , I have personnaly met Captain Birdseye AND Ms Easby !


AND Lived to tell the tale !


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Cllr
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 10:06 AM

yes but look how meeting you effected them
rllc


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:43 PM

Jeer Posh Off


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:54 PM

"Clearly a wicked conspiracy between Diane and F.Ingnobody"

And what makes you think they're not the same person? *LOL*


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:59 PM

So GEFF means, Good Enough For Frank, then?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: evansakes
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:08 PM

"And what makes you think they're not the same person?"

Simply because F. Ingnobody LIKES folk music


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 04:28 PM

Ever been sitting with a few mates having a quiet chat in a pub and some loud mouth comes in, sits at the table, monopolises the conversation and destroys the conviviality, so one by one you have slink away and go home?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 04:40 PM

Frank likes folk music

Nah, course he doesn't or at least he hasn't time to decide whether he does or not because he has to do everything else himself.

Vermin's got the right idea though. Introduced to Lola Farjunk, local collector and archivist, he says: "Ah, you're one of those bodies who find the lives of us old ones so fascinating you jot it all down while your own life passes you by. Do you rate me as a bloke 'oos company you enjoy or as a rare sighting of an endangered species, a butterfly in need of pinning?"

Ms Farjun coughs and asks: "Could you tell me how your generation used to entertain yourselves of an evening?"

Vermin: "Bloody worries me the way you use the past tense. Well for a start we have a right good time spendin' the whole night down the pub dancing and singing without ever feeling the urge to bloomin' well talk about folk music".

(ex SR 15 Spring 1983)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 05:39 PM

Well for a start we have a right good time spendin' the whole night down the pub dancing and singing ......

but, surely, you wouldn't approve Diane? He wasn't a professional and shouldn't have been allowed to enjoy himself singing and dancing. His amateurish attempts to sing in public would have given a bad name to traditional music.

DC


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Old Vermin
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 05:42 PM

Well, I shall take no notice of tha-at. I shall do what I damn' well want to. None of this arty-farty nonsense.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 03:30 AM

Mr Chadwick hasn't the faintest idea of that which I may or may not "approve", though had he actually read my previous contributions he might have had a slightly less muddled idea.

"Vermin" is representative of the old-style country singer or perhaps a traveller, an entirely separate concept to the lazy, incompetent "floor singer" who's learned (or hasn't) his/her material off a recording. It's only by sheer accident that Vermin has been dragged into a revivalist "f*lk club". Like my grandfather, his music was an essential part of his life, not an add-on hobby.

It's a slur to describe him as not a "professional" or "amateurish". He may or may not have been an "amateur", though, as he was clearly modelled on Fred Jordan, he would probably have been paid sometimes. And have you ever witnessed travellers (because that's about all that's left who still do this) performing their handed-down repertoires? I think not, or you wouldn't have the temerity to look down on them with such bourgeois sneering. They don't label their music "traditional", it's simply what they do because it's theirs. Nor would they ever dream of referring to themselves by the poncy term "source singer", beloved of the faux cognoscenti.

The entirely artificial environment of a revivalist venue is a wholly different matter. It is a public place of entertainment in which representations of what used to be is re-enacted, or better still, reinterpreted and rearranged, for a paying audience. It is (or should be) a showcase where the uninitiated can get a glimpse into a bygone culture (because that world no longer exists and in many instances never did).

The all-too-common practice of allowing incapable (or not yet proficient) people onstage in public to perform really badly serves to reinforce the perception out there among the "normals" that "f*lk" is a joke. That is what Borfolk lampoons again and again. Frank was trying (and lamentably failing) to do it better.

It's been said over and over again (and not just by me) that the experience of bringing new people along to a club night has been a dreadful mistake of toe-curling embarrassment which has resulted only in turning them off the genre for life, having had all their prejudices confirmed. It's not (and never really has been) the way to go. Borfolk illustrates this and what's scary (and no longer all that funny) is that things are not changing - or at least not nearly quickly enough.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: evansakes
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 03:51 AM

blah blah blah faux cognoscenti blah blah blah.

Oh, DO give it a rest, Frank. This gross caricature alter ego of yours parodying a neo-fundamentalist folkie has now been sussed by pretty much all and sundry.

It will get to the point soon where it won't even be funny anymore...


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 04:04 AM

Those who know Lawrence Heath and who also know me are more than fully aware that we are not one and the same. For a start, he does infinitely more than I do in practical terms to try and redress the balance of ignorance in "f*lky never-never land". He's tireless and infinitely more patient than I am.

I merely observe and comment. Because I can. For a start, I advise that twicky person to get back to hoeing his cabbages.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:29 AM

Well. I know Mr Heath very well.
And I am sure that his opinion would be diametrically opposite to that espoused by Diane.
It's a joke......Either appreciate it or let it go.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:35 AM

That depends on whether you are equating L Heath's outlook with that of "Frank".
If anyone is they must be terminally bonkers.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:49 AM

. . . f'rinstance: the twickyperson is associated with a venue way out on London's western fringes (known somewhat improbably as The Cabbage Field or something) where I went a few times several years ago when I really, really wanted to see an artist. I moved to the other side of the capital and have never been since. Twicky puts about a rumour that I'm boycotting the place. I actually never think back on it, though I do recall it wasn't much worse than many another, though I qlearned rapidly to behave like a Borfolk audience and stick to the bar except when the guest was on. To put it ever more clearly and bluntly, venues shouldn't be like this. It shows disrespect to the music, to the artists who care about it, and to the audience.

I've known Lawrence Heath (quite vaguely) for over 30 years. But I know very well what he does and I admire his patience and tenacity. I fear his Borfolk pisstaking has been far too gentle though as the dire scenario depicted is still all too prevalent and his cringeworthy characters still abound.

Comes, presumably, of a literacy deficiency.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:54 AM

Now, now, children!

(for the record I know Lawrence Heath, Ralphie and Diane and can assure any interested parties that they are all different people. I've even seen the latter two together. We're all friends really, I hope)

I can't say if I've met Frank....

Love and peace to you all!
Anahata


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:57 AM

Thoroughly enjoyed the parody but then I am a poor mortal who doesnt pretend to be more than they are and can take pleasure in gentle humour


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: treewind
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:08 AM

Oops! lost my cookie!
Found my cookie!
A.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:21 AM

Ooh, is this a new game? It's much better than anagrams.
I've seen Anahata and Ralph in the same frame together. Likewise A and I have exchanged a word (and beer) or three on occasion. R might have been there too, though he might deny it. Many people might have spied me and L. Heath consorting quite openly in a public place.

I've re-read my post of 0330 feline time and, though not monosyllabic, it is oh so very explanatory and (I think) rather good. Do try and get through it. Dictionaries are available.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,A ragman
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:28 AM

I am new to mudcat and am finding this all very interesting.

As I say, I am new here and do not understand all of the conventions. For example – on the forum home page where it shows the number of postings to a thread some of the numbers have a "d" next to them. Does this mean that Diane Easby has contributed and are therefore to be avoided?

;-)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:34 AM

Oooh


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:27 AM

While I have decided that there's really not a pressing need to intrude telephonically on the good Mr Heath's Sunday merely to check on just how exactly his assessment of the current state of musbiz coincides with mine, it will surely be raised next time we're in contact.

Sadly, the day when this ceases to be an issue is still far from dawning, though I hope not to experience too many Borfolk moments when Leon Rosselson comes to Walthamstow tonight.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Gedi
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:40 AM

I'm new to this anagram thing.

Ms Easby, If your not F.Ingnobody they surely you must be Linda Snell?

I just love guessing games....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: kendall
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:48 AM

Old Maine saying, "Brevity is the soul of wit."


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:49 AM

Ruth Archer, who has wisely kept out of this moronic thread, woud be able (since she is acquainted) to advise you that I am not LYNDA SNELL (for that is how she is spelled).

[Which information has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. Had you dragged in the Grundys or the departed Tom Forrest, there might have been a teensy smidgeon of a point].


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: NormanD
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:55 AM

Diane E: "I hope not to experience too many Borfolk moments when Leon Rosselson comes to Walthamstow tonight."

Walthamstow tonight? he must be a fast traveller. I'm sitting looking at a leaflet advertising him at The Tricycle Theatre (Kilburn) tonight at 7.30, along with Robb Johnson, Frankie Armstrong, etc.
By the way, has anyone seen this? It's a funny parody of Mudcat although I think this thread is much more hilarious.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:58 AM

Norman, you're quite right. I just have his name on the calendar. You've reminded me to turn West rather than East when I set off later on. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:59 AM

Do keep up dear boy its that parody that has her twistin her frillies. :)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: evansakes
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 08:59 AM

"Twicky puts about a rumour that I'm boycotting the place"

Cough! Splutter! Eh?

I might've said at one point that we'd need to make special arrangements to tie up your high horse in the yard (and take the doors off their hinges to ensure easy access for the uppermost part of your body). Beyond that your money is as good as anyone else's as far as we're concerned. It's the Askews tonight.

ps How's the weather today up there in cloud cuckoo land?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:01 AM

Full circle already? The mind boggles! Perhaps we should spend some time discussing this and try to identify which of us are being lampooned (in particular that is).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:01 AM

Keep up yerself.

I was reading Borfolk 30 years ago and didn't just come across it yesterday.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:08 AM

What are you wittering about you foolish woman my comment was to Norman (a mans name) hence the dear boy but if the jock strap fits hen then you wear it. Noo awa an pit on yer make up or somethin ahm sure there must be some bags o Portland blue cirle still tae be found.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:13 AM

In reply (I think) to the post above written in a previously undiscovered primitive language) I know very well who Norman is.
You, however, are clearly unaware that Southern Rag commenced publication in 1979.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:29 AM

I'd just like to say that Old Vermin is an old friend of mine and that we have exchanged poached pheasants, snared rabbits, dynamited salmon, beer, songs and fleas for many years. His day job is Professor of Biomusicology at Borchester University.

I'd like to say that but....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:31 AM

Funny Idea I just had ! We havent had so much repetitive twaddle since the good old days of S******s .




(Or some OTHER street in York)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:42 AM

Borchester University

Professor Valiant has asked me to point out that his seat of learning is Borcestershire University and that he is not a character in a radio soap which other contributors have persisted in referring to erroneously.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:51 AM

Reality is an illusion, brought on by lack of alcohol.


Diane,as you are certainly well aware. Megan is posting in her native Scots tongue. For you to wilfully misunderstand her, and to respond with the remarks you did, is dangerously close to racism.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 09:54 AM

Yes, you're right.
Time for a pint of Old Vermin.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Don Arsinane
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 10:09 AM

What's happened to Mick Slide? He's gone very quiet. Maybe the drugs finally kicked in?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 10:14 AM

This might explain why Don.




"Subject: RE: BS: Fred Goodwin's home attacked - hahaha!
From: Captain Birdseye - PM
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:17 AM

I am the Quiet Man .


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 10:16 AM

Well. this is all jolly good pointless fun.
Ridiculous rants from Diane. (thats ridiculous with a capital R)
Interesting ripostes from all and sundry.
And all about a gentle comic website, that never set out to be anyhing other than that!
Coudn't make it up, could you?
I'm off to get my sense of humour bypass renewed...
Bye Bye
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 10:27 AM

Meanwhile, down at the Swiggin' Pig . . .

Oi landlord, don't let that Ralph have any more Old Vermin.
It screws up his medication y'know.
He's supposed to be on next . . . Frank, stop him . . .


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: NormanD
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 10:53 AM

I wrote earlier:
"By the way, has anyone seen this? It's a funny parody of Mudcat although I think this thread is much more hilarious."

To which Megan L speedily replied:
"Do keep up dear boy its that parody that has her twistin her frillies. :)"

Perhaps I should have put a little face at the end of my posting to denote that I was taking the piss.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:10 AM

It's been a fantastic spectator sport, but I'm just a little disappointed that nobody from E-coli has joined in the scrap here.

We're here...don'tyou worry...just biding our time...

Isn't it about time somebody mentioned the BBC board...

Baz

Who can't be arsed to do an anagram...


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:10 AM

Diane Easby

Professor Valiant has asked me to point out that his seat of learning is Borcestershire University

Ha! Exposed yourself as a fraud there, Diane. The revered professor would never be associated with the upstart Borcestershire University (previosly Borcestershire Polytechnic) which has the temerity to compare itself with that ancient seat of learning Borchester University.

Hilarious thread. Haven't laughed so much since I heard Fred Jordan sing The Fields of Athenry.

Must away to the new session at The Royal Oak, Lewes.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:14 AM

Perhaps you should, Norman, but I doubt if it would have helped in the face of terminal dimness.



Meanwhile, especially for ralph (with a small r), here's a real rant from Borfolk in 1982:

After a guest night, Frank is confronted by his fellow organisers.

F: But don't we want to encourage new singers?

The Committee: Yes but folk singers, Frank, not people who sing meaningless drivel about being out of work or performing pop songs you can hear normal people singing every day. What's more, some of these kids can't sing. Goodness knows, the club's becoming too popular, there are too many floor singers already. Sometimes we have so many the guest can't be fitted in. Some of the audience go so far as to ask for their money back. Just shows they're not here for the music, just the name. The trouble is that your policy of booking professionals has got people coming along every week expecting to be entertained. I ask you, really. We realise that you're only booking these big names to ingratiate yourself with the famous. The fact that they attract big crowds holds no sway with us. In fact these new faces in the audience put our residents off. The club's not the private gathering of friends it used to be. Talking of which, one of your guests suggested that the residents could stand down. But we are the club! The members expect our half hour slot to start the night. We have to run late 'cos the audience always roll up exactly half an hour late. I don't know why.

F: But I reckon you should stand down occasionally.

The Committee: I see, getting personal, eh. Well Mr F Ingnobody, you can take yourself and your megastars elsewhere and never darken Borfolk's door again.



Is this the end of Frank? Is this the last of Borfolk? Who knows? Who cares?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:35 AM

Diane
Life A Get
You sort out the anangram.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:41 AM

Borfolk always did have the world's biggest speech bubbles. So that's where Diane Easby did her apprenticeship. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:42 AM

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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:42 AM

Well, well, I thought it was you that found Borfolk funny (as opposed to tragically still true today), and my retelling of the demise of Frank was purely to amuse you.

Oh dear . . .

(And I can spell 'anagram', even if I don't waste time doing them).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:42 AM

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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:49 AM

Sorry, Dick, I seem to have nicked your three-ton.

I know I shouldn't mention this, but I really, really wonder if any of the participants here actually get the point of Borfolk?
Cos I think they've mostly got the mentality of committee members, meself . . .

(Oh dear again).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 11:53 AM

I was once in a Folk Club that Ms Easby would have LOVED ! The MC actually told the audience " This is a FOLK CLUB - you are NOT here to enjoy yorselves !"

Ths SAD thing is , he was NOT making a joke !


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:01 PM

Erm, not at all likely.

Firstly, have you not grasped that I am fundamentally sceptical of the entire concept of the revival "f*lk club" and secondly, from where did you get the impression that I was on the side of the Borfolk committee?

Adult literacy classes are available, I'm told. They might offer help in extracting meaning from structured sentences.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:02 PM

Diane
Go Away
Nobody is finding you funny, and your slightly (Radically) left of Chaiman Mao attitudes are beginning to annoy.
So....Go away....Please.
We don't actually care that you worked for some commie rag 40 years ago.
So, you met Karl Dallas... So, you you were there when Steeleye formed....(actually no, but Hey)
Am I Bovvered??? No No No...
So just go away.
What started as a lighthearted comment on a lampoon of Mudcat has been hijacked by you and Mr Miles into some sort of political rant.
Enough already.
We Don't care.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:15 PM

Political rants I can do, having contributed to several different far left publications. However, they are far from the topic.

What's wrong with the music scene, however, is the subject of this thread. It's what Borfolk was about and it's what was being pointed at (not so gently) in the spoof thread. This is what I'm addressing. So who's being off topic?

If it makes some people (and I certainly don'tmean you, Ralph Jordan) uncomfortable because their lack of attention and respect for music is being exposed, so be it. That was surely the original intention of Borfolk.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:27 PM

Diane
Which part of the two words "Away" and "Go" Don't you understand?
I'd much rather spend my time with the people that you are belittling in your interminable boring rants, than with the more politically correct, holier than thou group (of 1 apparently) that you represent.
Stop, Desist, End......
For Goodness sake...
STOP IT


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:37 PM

Ralph, I don't think anyone else is interested in whatever it is you're trying to convey to me.
It's nothing whatsoever to do with the topic.
Please talk to me offlist.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:48 PM

No Diane, *you're* not interested in what Ralph is saying to you or in what the majority want this thread to be about. For heavens sake, most of the contributors here are performers and organisers who are doing their bit to further folk and traditional music. The choir don't want to be preached at, they want to get back to the vestry and crack a few jokes.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 12:59 PM

Well, Diane, youi are stating very clearly what the thread is meant o be about. Well, I started it, and I can tell you with some confidence its purpose was actually to draw the attention ofMudcatters to an amusing, clever, and modern spoof of the Mudcat forum: in particular its mix of slightly bizarre contributors.
The thread was not, for exmple, designed to be a vehicle for people to spew abuse at each other, or to tell us in excruciating detail how they used to be familiar with Borfolk and Steeleye Span and left wing politics thirty years ago.Which may of course be very interesting to some people, but perhaps not to all. Perhaps a special thread could be started for that stuff(it could be titled "Borfolk: a parody" or something, it would certainly be boring).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: NormanD
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 01:44 PM

I think it might be a good idea to start up a series of individual splinter threads, on the theme of how we / I have been personally affected / maligned / sticked & stoned / not been stoned / accused of being stoned / accused of wandering into the thread pilot's compartment with a loaded gun / etc etc. Then we could all chip in.

This thread is fun, even more so than the one that's satirising it. I haven't laughed so much since I went to a particular left group meeting and some recently expelled ex-members were outside giving out a leaflet accusing other members of walking off (without due authorisation or democratic agreement) with two sleeping bags and a Roneo duplicating machine.

Now, in case this is open to misunderstanding or misinterpretation, or just plain meshuges, here's a couple of emoticons to choose from:
:)
:(
;)
;(


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Gedi
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 01:49 PM

Well said Manitas. Now, wheres that Communion Wine gone........


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 02:05 PM

Hi Greg, Manitas, Gedi, NormanD. et al
Thank You.
This started as a pleasant litle "Hommage" to a very tongue in cheek website, lampooning us....!!!
And then it got Hi-jacked by two individuals for ends known only to themselves.
One has a personal adjenda with the Editor of a certain UK magazine. Luckily he's gone now.
The other just seems to hate us all!!
The Borfolk stuff is a lovely and (dare I say it) loving parody of us all.
If one can't laugh at oneself. what is the point of being?
As I've stated before, Peter Bellamy adored his Borfolk name!
So away with the miserable contributors to this thread.
Start your own socio-political thread, and leave the rest of us to have a bit of harmless fun.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: NormanD
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 02:16 PM

Pretty much agreed. Except that I do find most of what Diane has written on this thread to be of much interest to me.

I think Diane likes cats. I suspect the cat(s?) wake her up at some ungodly hour, and going on the computer is preferable to being trampled upon and left sleepless.

Yes, I think the cat's to blame. Calm the cat with goat's milk, it works with mine.

Which nicely brings it back round to bleating.....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 02:26 PM

As Greg started the thread, and presumably knows what the topic was intended to be, all I can say is "Hear hear".


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 02:37 PM

Funny Idea I just had ! We havent had so much repetitive twaddle since the good old days of S******s

I'd been thinking that for a while Terry.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 02:47 PM

Hold on a cotton-pickin' minute . . .

Any suggestion that I've been miserable in my contributions is an outright lie (and I don't remember Dick being that either, but he can speak for himself).

I've been reading Borfolk since its first publication 30 years ago. It was funny then (as I said), and still is . . . though tinged with poignancy and frustration that the underlying, systemic problems that have existed in English trad music since the revival are, sadly, still there and improving not one wit.

This is because certain elements just don't care about standards, presentation, image and professionalism. That's hardly being miserable, it's speaking the stark, unvarnished truth about how the English as a nation, alone in the world, have been conditioned and educated into despising and being ashamed of their cultural heritage.

This is not solely my analysis, as borne out by liberal quoting and paraphrasing by me from a number of sources, notably The English Acoustic Collective.

But Lawrence Heath, disguised as the hapless Frank, was saying it way back in Southern Rag and he's saying it now (clearly far too gently for some) in the spoof thread.. Unfortunately, some are taking this as "ooh look, aren't we quaint". No, you're letting gold slip through your fingers by not safeguarding and investing it.


Off-topic alert but I didn't raise the points:

One point of correction out of millions: my first major feature was on the Steeleye Span relaunch in 1971 (which was not only for the Morning Star but was extensively syndicated), but obviously I was aware of all its multitudinous components long before Ashley pressganged them.. I used to be Cecilia Sharp, great-niece of Maud Karpeles, doncha know (somebody once wrote to me believing that . . .).

Oh, and did I know Karl Dallas? Yes, of course. He even propositioned me. Twice, IIRC, and he only tried it on with Anne Briggs once.


And yes, Norman. Spot on re the cats.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 03:10 PM

Never mind the communion wine, what about the vicar's gin he thinks is safely hidden behind the stack of John Rutter.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: High Hopes (inactive)
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 03:28 PM

"what about the vicar's gin he thinks is safely hidden behind the stack of John Rutter. "

so that's why the local village lovelies are performing a circle dance around Farmer Partington's haystack ?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 03:35 PM

Always wondered if John Rutter had a purpose ... now I know!!


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 04:10 PM

Hey Ralphie, I don't think that telling any contributor to 'Go away' is particularly democratic.

You and, indeed, 99% of other contributors, may not like the postings of any given individual, but why shouldn't they post?

Hell, I prefer provocative to anodyne, informed to regurgitated, and acerbic to placatory.

Always offering a different perspective; I can't imagine Mudcat without such contributors. Just read and reflect; don't rush to rubbish.

I don't hold with cliches either.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 04:25 PM

"Hey Ralphie, I don't think that telling any contributor to 'Go away' is particularly democratic."

While I may or may not agree with other posters on Mudcat I will not deny them their right to post. Telling someone to go away just because you don't happen to like what they're saying is ignorant, to put not too finer point on it. (though I must admit that I have this sneaking feeling in the back of my mind that Ralphie's response is all part of the parody,[tell me it's so Joe, tell me it's so]).


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Gedi
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:26 PM

"what about the vicar's gin he thinks is safely hidden behind the stack of John Rutter. "

Now you're talkin'. Lead on McDuff....


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 05:49 PM

Give the Devil his/her due. There is SOME justice in Diane's criticisms of folk clubs, and her endorsement of the criticisms implied by some of the Borfolk satire. And she HAS made a few humorous remarks in this very thread, giving the lie to accusations of a lack of humour. And she DID apologise for an unfortunate remark about the Guid Scots Tongue.

However -- given a choice between an informal singaround, with a range of performers good, bad and indifferent, and the output of "the music industry" or "musbiz" (to quote two terms from Diane's postings), I'll take the informal any day.

A modicum of "image and professionalism" is all to the good, but it can easily go to excess, giving the performance priority over the material. Although we're not peasants (nor the urban equivalent) in our local pub singing what we learnt from our families, we're closer to that than we are to commercial music.

BTW thanks for the prompt about the banjo. I was of course looking everywhere but the furniture at the top of the page.

Richard


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 06:24 PM

At least, in singarounds and the like we are out entertaining ourselves and, mostly, others. That, to me, is the purpose of those gatherings.

I would guess if the only folk who were allowed to sing the songs were those that had them handed down from their families the whole thing would, by now, have come to a shuddering halt.


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Old Vermin
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:28 PM

'Pint of Old Vermin' indeed. At my age? Haven't the strength.

Be that Easby woman a-arguing with hersell?


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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Mar 09 - 07:38 PM

For those who would like to have some more fun, as originally intended, I invite you to the new Mudcat Parody thread...it's moderated..only fun allowed!
    I think I'd agree. Let's close this one and see if the new thread has a friendlier tone.
    -Joe Offer-


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