BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:35 AM

Of course the figures can be substantiated Greg - But that wouldn't be good enough for you would it? So I challenged you to come up with figures of your own to cross-check with the ones I provided - then there would be no argument would there?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:42 AM

Of course the figures can be substantiated

Then do so and stop arseing about.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:54 AM

And another misrepresentation.....

Misrepresentation Greg?

Shaw has stated publicly that he is a member of the Labour party.

Here's a link to Corbyn talking of the party's friends Hamas and Hezbollah: YouTube

You are the only one misrepresenting here. Give us something of substance for once.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 12:57 PM

The only person arsing about here Greg F. is you.

Here are the statistics:

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967 (For some reason Shaw has cherry-picked this start point):

Israeli Deaths - 7,661
Israeli Wounded - 19,334

Arab Deaths - 74,840
Arab Wounded - 59,011

Do you want to move the goal posts Shaw?

Since 1920 the figures are as follows:

Jewish/Israeli Deaths - 24,969
Jewish/Israeli Wounded - 36,260

Arab Deaths - 91,105
Arab Wounded - 78,038

If you wish to dispute those figures Greg F. then present figures of your own. If you can't or won't then STFU about them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 01:00 PM

Here are the statistics:

Source, T-Bird?? Or just your arse again?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 01:31 PM

You have nothing to counter them "."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 01:33 PM

Source, T-Bird? Or just your arse again?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 04:53 PM

Hamas are neither friends of mine nor of the Labour Party. My views on religion and religion-led politics are well known on this forum. I don't know how many times I've publicly disapproved of Hamas, or stated that people who declare that Israel should be wiped off the map are lunatics. So stuff your silliness where the sun don't shine, bobad. If there's any room left up there next to the bullshit therein, of course. Oops, I forgot. There are two of you, of course, both cheats. There may be more room than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 05:01 PM

2014.

"Between 8 July and 27 August, more than 2,100 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip, along with 66 Israeli soldiers and seven civilians in Israel.
The UN says the vast majority of Palestinian deaths are civilian. But figures from previous operations over the past six years in the densely populated Gaza Strip show it is not the first time civilians have paid a heavy price." [BBC]

Just a cherrypicked snippet. It really isn't worth getting us started on this, is it, Teribus?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 06:16 PM

Arab/Israeli casualty figures since 1967 (For some reason Shaw has cherry-picked this start point):

Israeli Deaths - 7,661
Israeli Wounded - 19,334

Arab Deaths - 74,840
Arab Wounded - 59,011

That is what you asked for wasn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:06 PM

The UN says the vast majority of Palestinian deaths are civilian.

Hamas and all the other terrorist groups in Gaza fight as civilians. They also, self admittedly, use civilians as human shields. The IDF goes way beyond the norm in trying to avoid civilian deaths, it is considered to be the most moral army in the world by military experts.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:14 PM

Hamas are neither friends of mine nor of the Labour Party.

Jeremy Corbyn calling Hamas and Hezbollah "our friends" ie of the Labour Party: YouTube.

Shaw is a master at denying inconvenient truths when it suits his cause.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:29 PM

Weasel words, bobad (do look that up). The man who killed you is always the man who fired the bullet. You are the master of denial (not to speak of cowardliness, cheating and lying -shall we go,overall that again?) Here's an illustration of denial for you, written by a Jewish man as it happens (not that that should bother us). Read and learn.

They held up a stone.
I said, "Stone."
Smiling they said, "Stone."

They showed me a tree.
I said, "Tree."
Smiling they said, "Tree."

They shed a man's blood.
I said, "Blood."
Smiling they said, "Paint."

They shed a man's blood.
I said, "Blood."
Smiling they said, "Paint."

[Dannie Abse]

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 07:30 PM

I.e., "Shall we go over all that again"

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:03 PM

We don't have to cherrypick starting points, Teribus. If comparing casualties is your game (it isn't mine either, if you must know), then any starting point shows Israel in a terrible light. I did suggest not going there but it seems you can't help it, then when your figures are not looking good, which they can never do, you invent all manner of tortuous "explanations."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:13 PM

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.'

Covenant of Hamas Article 7.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 08:58 PM

So? You are under some kind of illusion that you can cut me to the quick by mentioning Hamas. Well you can't. I have no time for Hamas. I have lots of time for the people trapped. You know as well as I do that if Hamas want to progress they will have to talk. Simple as that. The IRA had to talk. The only people on the planet who never have to talk are the Israeli regime. The US, with its totally unconditional military aid, makes sure that Israel never has to talk. Oh yes, they will enter talks but only on their terms. That makes it look like they're talking, but all the talks ever held have been a sham, because, put simply, Israel can do what they like. Now you should be in bed. Both of you, you cheating pair. Don't go biting each other's arses in bed now. You might get over-excited, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:06 PM

Labour dropped the British-Danish G4S multinational security firm over its relationship with Israel following a controversial vote last year by members of its National Executive Committee. It then sought to find a replacement for the September 25 Liverpool event, in vain.

Unable to find an alternative security firm, the left-wing party went back to G4S earlier this week, only to be turned down.

Quite apart from any bitter feelings left over from the Israel-related boycott, the company told the Telegraph newspaper it refused to work with UK Labour in light a number of incidents in which members of the party (Shaw?) cursed at and spat on G4S employees.

Britain's Jewish community leaders have accused Corbyn of both encouraging anti-Semitic rhetoric with his policies on Israel and of whitewashing the hate speech problems they said this creates within Labour. The party has in recent months also faced a succession of scandals over anti-Semitism within its ranks.

TOI

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:17 PM

if Hamas want to progress they will have to talk

You're such a sap Shaw - name one Islamist terrorist group that has "talked".




'[Peace] initiatives,   and   so-called   peaceful   solutions   and

international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than

a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13 Covenant of Hamas.)

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:19 PM

Brainless burbling. Are you seriously accusing ME of cursing and spitting at G4S employees? Well let me tell you that I didn't even know about any G4S spat! Jesus Christ on a bike even Woodcock at his most ebullient must be squirming at such a laughable allusion, you bloody twit. Grow up, why don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:23 PM

Israel can pretend to enter talks, but it's relationship with the US, predicated on the fact that no US politician who values his career can ever brief against Israel, means that it need never offer a single crumb of compromise. You really don't understand any of this, do you, cheat?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: ripov
Date: 25 Aug 16 - 09:30 PM

Just a quick dip into and out from a rather boring thread -

1. How come some people feel they are entitled to their own special brand of racism (i.e. antisemitism). Behaviour is either racist or not. Whichever race is implied is irrelevant. And making differences because of race is certainly racism.
2. Palestinians are also semites.
3. Most governments are organisations of rogues. The ones in question don't seem to be exceptions.
4, While Corbyn appears to be an honourable exception, the rest of the parliamentary labour party appear to be a bunch of backstabbing self-seekers, who no-one in their right mind would vote for.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 02:28 AM

Steve Shaw - 25 Aug 16 - 08:03 PM

"If comparing casualties is your game (it isn't mine either, if you must know), then any starting point shows Israel in a terrible light. I did suggest not going there but it seems you can't help it,"

But Shaw comparing casualties is very much your thing - you after all introduced the subject and requested those figures, taking 1967 as your start point {Conveniently ignoring the 47 years of conflict that preceded your selected start point} - you did write this didn't you?

Steve Shaw - 23 Aug 16 - 05:38 AM

"And let's have your comparative Israeli/"Arab" casualty figures for, say, the period since the '67 war. Don't forget to include the Gazan women and children and the massacred refugees in Lebanon, old chap."

That being the case Shaw - you can hardly castigate someone for actually providing information that you, yourself have requested.

Ratio British to German civilian casualties during the Second World War was 1:43 - that is what results from starting and waging an all out war and losing it.

Ratio Jewish/Israeli to Arab casualties since 1920 has been as follows for dead and wounded:

Deaths 1:4
Wounded 1:2

The same ratios starting at 1967

Deaths 1:10
Wounded 1:3

Israel is being constantly accused of waging an all out war against the Palestinians by your pals Shaw - the figures simply do not show that. They do however show that the "Leaders" of the "Palestinian" people particularly in Gaza must be on the slowest learning curve in human history. Tell me Shaw how many "Palestinians" were killed by the Israeli Defence Force in the last month? How many attacks and how many rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza in the last month?. Then go back and look for the same information over whatever period you like since Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 and then see whether or not if there is a clear correlation.

Steve Shaw - 25 Aug 16 - 08:58 PM

"The only people on the planet who never have to talk are the Israeli regime. The US, with its totally unconditional military aid, makes sure that Israel never has to talk. Oh yes, they will enter talks but only on their terms. That makes it look like they're talking, but all the talks ever held have been a sham, because, put simply, Israel can do what they like."

The peace agreement signed with Egypt was no sham.

The peace agreement signed with Jordan was no sham.

The ceasefire agreements brokered by the UN have been complied with by Israel and largely ignored by Hezbollah, Hamas and Al-Fatah.

If it is talks that you say must happen, then try convincing Hamas and Hezbollah they have no intention whatsoever of talking, their aims are quite clear, you might be in denial over them but the Israeli Government is not. The primary responsibility of the democratically elected Government of Israel is to look to and provide for the safety and security of the people and state of Israel from any and all attacks - that it has done remarkably well against incredible odds since the inception of the State of Israel in 1948.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 05:34 AM

The peace agreement with Egypt was a sell-out, and just look what a happy country Egypt has been ever since. Bastion of democracy, eh? Good to see you supporting the UN ceasefire agreements. Pity about all those UN resolutions, ignored by Israel, vetoed by their massive poodle the US, isn't it though? And in your defence of Israel's defending itself, you forgot to mention that Gaza is now the world's biggest jail, that Israel has a habit of bulldozing homes, denying building materials to rebuild them and lighting up the skies with white phosphorus in order to pick out schools to shell. Gosh, isn't self-defence such a loose term! Now remind me, how many children did they kill last time out in a territory they had purported to have abandoned? Oh, and those two refugee camps in Lebanon...self-defence again, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:02 AM

Steve Shaw - 26 Aug 16 - 05:34 AM

Shaw at his hilarious best:

1: Egypt is in a mess because it no longer pursues a policy aimed at the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of it's population.

2: Talking about "Bastions of democracy" Shaw, when were the last elections held in Gaza and in the West Bank eh? How many elections have the Israelis cancelled, postponed and dispensed with?

3: Pity your pals in Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran can't see their way to "supporting the UN ceasefire agreements".

4: What UN Resolutions? Resolution in Council or Assembly, the former are binding on member states, the others are non-binding and serve as "recommendations" - Major difference there Shaw and you are perfectly aware of that difference.

5: ."That Gaza is now the world's biggest jail" is down entirely to the people who say they are representing the population and governing the place. It most certainly is NOT the fault of the people they are attacking.

6: "Denying building materials to rebuild them" What denial of building materials Shaw? Where do you think Hamas got the concrete, cement, steel and rebar to construct their underground shelters and bunkers? Shelters and protection for the "fighters" Shaw - nothing whatsoever for the population they are supposed to be looking after.

7: White Phosphorus does not light up the sky - quite the reverse in fact - but trotting out lines like that is simply emotive claptrap.

8: Since 2005, 15,000 rockets and missiles of various types have been fired from Gaza into Israel. Under similar circumstances had that amount of ordnance had been fired into the UK, I would fully expect that our Government and our armed forces would have taken every measure at their command to eradicate the source of that bombardment and those carrying out the attacks along with anyone supporting them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:18 AM

Gaza is now the world's biggest jail

Gaza in 2016: a Hamas production.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:42 AM

I have one question of both camps. It may not have an answer. You may not want to answer such a question that demands honesty and courage

.
Teribus bobad and Keith Shaw, What is your most preferred end game/solution/outcome for Israel and Palestine , whether it takes one or a thousand generations ?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 09:01 AM

A single secular democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity, Jews and non-Jews living side by side. No mini-enclaves of Jews or Arabs. There is absolutely no other ultimate answer. At present, of all the nations on earth calling themselves denocracies, Israel is by easily the furthest away from that ideal. If you're an Arab in Israel, democracy ends for you the moment you leave the polling booth.

Your latest post is your most childish yet, Teribus. Sun's shining and I'm gardening, so bugger off.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 10:43 AM

The current right wing Israel is far apart from that end game Steve.
Would Palestine homes and farms be made whole again?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 01:10 PM

Ya want REAL anti-semites Bubo? Check out these "alt-right" assholes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/us/politics/alt-right-reaction.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:11 PM

Bloody Nora, Kevin, OK. Central government garners the dough via taxation then decides how and to whom it should be channelled and in what amounts.

A ridiculous point about perspective, Woodcock. Useless. Stop struggling.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:24 PM

Steve Shaw - 26 Aug 16 - 09:01 AM

"A single secular democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity, Jews and non-Jews living side by side. No mini-enclaves of Jews or Arabs."

Worked out well in the Lebanon didn't it Shaw - And of course Gaza for that matter.

Donuel - 26 Aug 16 - 10:43 AM

"The current right wing Israel is far apart from that end game Steve."

Be interested in hearing the rational behind that statement. As far as their track record shows, the Israelis are more than ready to talk to anyone, and when such talks have taken place the agreements reached have stood the test of time. The same however can not be said of those who make up the Palestinian Authority {Their former leader Arafat threw away the best chance they ever had in 2000}, Hamas and Hezbollah. The last two have ruled out any prospect of talks or negotiation, yet as far as you can see it Donuel it would appear that you only see the fault as being only on the side of the Israelis.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:39 PM

That would have to be part of the deal, Donuel. I've visited Cyprus three times in recent years. A terribly divided island since the Turkish occupation of the north in 1973, though in that case, unlike with Israel/Palestine, current confrontations are muted. But if the two halves ever get together again there are deep-rooted recriminations to resolve. Tough. The Greek side still harbours resentments about the theft of their ancestral homes, that kind of thing, and the Turkish side feels threatened. It's sad to see such a massive army presence for such a tiny population in the north. As with Israel-Palestine, there is a mountain to climb. One side declaring that they want the other side wiped off the map is no way to go. The people in northern Cyprus are struggling. But they are just ordinary people, not devils. I saw their market stalls in Kyrenia piled high with the most amazing produce, and no-one there to buy it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:49 PM

So they're all unreconstructed savages with tribal values who are best left to tear each other to pieces, Teribus. Not actual human beings. You really haven't got a clue, have you. As for Israel's talks, there have been no genuine talks ever, for the very simple reason that, thanks to the unconditional bankrolling by the US of all their military needs, Israel never has to give one inch. And no politician in the US who values his career dares brief against Israel. The icing on that multi-layered cake is that Israel has the media on its side in every western country. There are reasons for that that we don't need to go into here, but, before booboo chimes in, it has nothing to do with "Jews controlling the mass media," etc.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 04:51 PM

"A single secular democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity, Jews and non-Jews living side by side. No mini-enclaves of Jews or Arabs."

That pretty much describes Israel today - can't say the same for it's neighbours though.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 05:37 PM

That pretty much describes Israel today

You're joking, right? Or just blind?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 05:39 PM

Several times in this thread I have described the gross inequalities between Jews and Arabs in Israel, pointing to severe discrimination against the latter. These facts are just that, facts, not my opinions. Easy to access. None so blind, bobad.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 05:41 PM

Great minds, Greg. I posted mine before reading yours. Bobad is a chap who never lets facts get in the way. Or two chaps.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 07:31 PM

Steve Shaw - 26 Aug 16 - 05:39 PM

How does these "gross inequalities between Jews and Arabs in Israel, pointing to severe discrimination against the latter" square with there being 17 out of 120 Arab Knesset Members? What about Israeli Arabs in the Cabinet? Or Israeli Arab Generals in the IDF? Or Israeli Arab Ambassadors?

The Israeli Arabs constitute almost 21% of the population of Israel so with al this discrimination and inequality I really would love to hear how all those mentioned above managed to get through the net.

Tell me Shaw who forms the political opposition in Gaza? I know they don't do elections, but are there any other political Parties in Gaza {Or did they all fly off the roofs of high-rise buildings a few years back?}

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 07:40 PM

"The icing on that multi-layered cake is that Israel has the media on its side in every western country."

EHmmmm I don't think that that was what the Balen Report concluded Shaw, read that sentence of yours to those in the know at the BBC and you'd be laughed out of the building.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 08:56 PM

Western media are overwhelmingly on Israel's side, twerp. For Christ's sake, man. As for those gross inequalities, I did invite you to look it up. In fact, I've given facts and figures in this very thread. Arabs in Israel are severely discriminated against. In terms of pay, unemployment, housing and education, they lag way behind Israeli Jews. Now either you think that's because Jews are the superior race (knowing you and your sorry ilk, I would hardly be surprised if that's what you thought), or it's because there is serious discrimination against Arabs in Israel. Now why don't you look it up if you don't believe me. I mean, why let facts get in the way of your blind anti-Arab bigotry. Go on, look it up, right now. Apart from those rather obstinate statistics that you'd rather not confront, we have all the stories about non-Jews being held up without reason at pointless road blocks, not to speak of thousands of Palestinians held for years in Israeli jails without charge or even without being told why they're being held. And that includes hundreds of women and children. Uncomfortable, eh? Go on, look it up, why don't you. You won't like what you find, but, of course, you'd far rather chicken out and pontificate about how wonderfully moral the actions of the state of Israel always are than face the facts. You've been seriously taken in, Woodcock, old fruit. It's about time you looked for the facts first instead of settling on received wisdom then finding the propaganda to fit.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 09:21 PM

Western media are overwhelmingly on Israel's side

Unsubstantiated Shaw bullshit. Even if it were true who's side would you have them be on? The side who's expressed goal is to kill Jews like you and the party you belong to support?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 09:39 PM

Even if it were true who's side would you have them be on?

Truth's & justice's perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 02:37 AM

I am sure that there are inequalities and discrimination in Israel as exist in every single country and in every single society on this planet Shaw {After all we have been discussing instances of this self same racism in the Labour Party haven't we}, whether it amounts to actual racism or ethnocentrism is open to question. But in Israel as in most other countries it is not deliberate Government policy and it is actively discouraged by Government.

Care to discuss the inequalities and the discrimination faced by minorities in the countries that border Israel? Just to get a balance.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 06:20 AM

Don't be childish. Of course there is inequality and discrimination everywhere. But, in Israel, Jewish people get their school buses to go through their towns, not around the edges. Jewish people are not held for days at road blocks. Jewish people don't have their family farms cut in half by a concrete wall. Jewish people are not trapped inside a squalid, overcrowded little enclave in their millions. Jewish people are not discriminated against in the workplace. Jewish people are not held in jails for years without charge (I mean, what kind of "democracy" is that!) Now either you think that Jewish people are better in every way than Arabs or there is deliberate discrimination. Make your mind up now. Deliberate, I said. And just because little Jimmy at the desk next to me looks up girls' skirts it doesn't mean that it's OK for me to nick your apple. Do grow up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 06:24 AM

"Unsubstantiated Shaw bullshit. Even if it were true who's side would you have them be on? The side who's expressed goal is to kill Jews like you and the party you belong to support?"

I suggest you stay clear of the drink and drugs before you post in future. Better still, why don't you take your bilious hatred elsewhere?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 06:40 AM

Steve Shaw - 27 Aug 16 - 06:20 AM

No Shaw it is high time that you grew up.

Jews in Israel are not discriminated against? Where did you get that crap from? There are reports of discrimination between different branches of the religion, but again NOT driven by Government Policy which is most certainly against any form of racism, inequality and discrimination.

Now let us all hear you complain about inequality, discrimination and racism in the countries surrounding Israel. Or don't they matter.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 07:12 AM

Yes they matter. I don't know where you get the idea from that I defend to the hilt what happens in Islamic states. I don't. I hate it. But you don't get let off from stealing my apple because the other lad looks up girls' skirts. The discrimination I have pointed to in Israel is perfectly deliberate. The wall was built deliberately. The road blocks are not accidental. The prisons and justice system are doing what they do by design. The school buses don't miss the Arab towns out because the satnav maps are out of date. If those things happened to you you'd go mental. Now either you deny that these things happen (go on, look them up) or you're defending them because you think that Arabs as a race deserve all they get, innocent or guilty. Which is it to be?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 08:37 AM

Only Steve was courageous and rational enough to attempt to visualize an end game to the Mideast problem or as some call it "Ethniclashistan"

Teribus dared to put words in my mouth by decreeing I said something I did not say.

I can have a discussion with the propaganda of Teribus, but not with Teribus

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 10:11 AM

Teribus dared to put words in my mouth

S.O.P.

Ditto Bubo.