BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 10:11 AM

that you have to seek clarification from "three year olds"?

So you admit that you ARE a three-ear-old. Thanks for the confirmation.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 10:18 AM

"Another woman revealed her Jewish friends resigned the day he became leader, because they didn't believe it was "safe" for them stay. "

Well hundreds of thousands of people, including lots of Jews, who knows, not only didn't resign but even moved in the opposite direction. As for "feeling safe," how safe was it at the Tory central office when bullying and sexual assault was taking place almost under the noses of Cameron et al? Didn't seem that it was especially safe for the person who committed suicide, did it?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 11:24 AM

Greg F. - 17 Aug 16 - 10:11 AM

Ah that explains a great deal "." - I can see plainly now that you do have tremendous problems with the English language in terms of reading it, writing it and understanding it. So great are your difficulties you don't even understand the things that you yourself have written.

"Well hundreds of thousands of people, including lots of Jews, who knows, not only didn't resign but even moved in the opposite direction." - Shaw

And with that movement came the "new" £3 members from the hard left that started causing all the problems. This has all really just kicked-off since Corbyn, "The Leader", took charge hasn't it?

Status of Wallasey Constituency Labour Party Shaw - found out yet from your pals in Labour's NEC yet?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 11:31 AM

"Started all the problems?" Not one of the alleged antisemitism culprits was a £3 member. Try to tell the truth for once.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 11:32 AM

Not that things were all that hot before. Shall we chat about Tower Hamlets and Mr Rahman?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 12:12 PM

"Not one of the alleged antisemitism culprits was a £3 member"

And you know this how Shaw? As your pal Jom would say that statement is unqualified so it is unreliable.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 01:31 PM

Name them in that case. There was, er, Naz Shah, who made her comments years ago, before she was elected, Ken Livingstone, definitely a Labour man slightly before the three-quidders lined up... Come off it, Teribus, the bloody thing blew up almost before the three-quidders got a look-in. Name names if you know any different. Which you don't, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 01:39 PM

And back to your attempted Wallasey smear (second attempt as my post didn't take). Nobody knows who put the brick through the window. Could have been a pissed Tory for all we know (though there aren't many Tories in Wallasey so maybe you've got me there 😂😂😂). The proceedings at the meeting that caused the trouble are still disputed. Your claim that it was typical Labour bullying and intimidation is no better than mine that the whole thing is jumped-up nonsense invented by embittered Blairites. As neither you nor I was there, why don't we give that one a rest until the facts emerge. Oh, of course, I forgot. Labour always whitewashes everything like that. Not like those spin-free Tories with their underage gay sex parties and their head-office bullying that drives people to suicide. Nah, don't believe a word of it! Canonise the Tories, demonise Labour!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Aug 16 - 07:24 PM

"Your claim that it was typical Labour bullying and intimidation is no better than mine that the whole thing is jumped-up nonsense invented by embittered Blairites."

You mean apart fro the fact that the situation was so bad that the Merseyside Police said that they could not guarantee anybody's safety at CLP meetings and Labour's NEC decided to suspend Wallasey CLP? And it still remains suspended - sound like "jumped-up nonsense" to you?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Aug 16 - 03:40 AM

Not everyone believes the "cancer of antisemitism" Has been eradicated from The Labour Party

Huffington Post Monday,
"Jewish Labour members who voted overwhelmingly to nominate Owen Smith in the upcoming leadership election were motivated by Jeremy Corbyn's response to allegations of anti-Semitism in the party, a former shadow cabinet minister has said.

Lilian Greenwood blamed the current party leadership for Corbyn mustering just 4% of the vote from Jewish Labour Movement.

The JLM has been a Labour affiliated organisations since 1920 and announced the result of its ballot on who to back for party leader this morning. The group has more than 1,500 members, 58.9% of whom responded to the poll."

"Councillor Joe Goldberg, the JLM's local government officer, also said that Smith's replacement of Corbyn as leader would "eradicate" the "cancer" of anti-Semitism from Labour. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-lilian-greenwood-antisemitism_uk_57b1aeade4b01f97d8f31235

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 16 - 06:09 AM

Quite frankly, and you know it full well, the term "cancer of antisemitism" as applied to Labour is totally inappropriate. You should be ashamed of yourself for choosing that quote, as should the person who said it. In fact, he should be suspended from the party in my opinion. If he disagrees with the enquiry report there are far better ways than that of expressing his view.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 16 - 09:14 AM

Not everyone believes the "cancer of antisemitism" Has been eradicated from The Labour Party<.I>

Not "everyone" believes the earth is round, Profesor.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Aug 16 - 09:06 PM

Greg, Keith is a typical right-winger who relishes the Tory press and who hates the Labour Party. Like most of the far right who have been fed this demonise-Labour stuff by the Mail, the Murdoch press and the apologists for the Israeli regime (and hey, Greg, just watch how Keith is going to misquote THAT!), he's been taken in hook, line and sinker by the manipulators of the far right. In fact, he probably thinks he's one of them himself! Still, with a man who will tell you that he's really moderately centre-right and is merely putting Israel's side of the story (which means condemning all criticism of the Israeli regime as antisemitic via a document that was never adopted, whilst at the same time defending mass murder), well what can you do!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 04:31 AM

Steve,
Keith is a typical right-winger who relishes the Tory press

I am not right wing and always quote from the Left Wing press,like the HP.

I think the opinions of Jewish members on antisemitism within the Party are based on experience of it ands much better better informed than yours, which you are never able to substantiate anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 05:37 AM

So what are YOUR personal experiences of antisemitism in Labour that make you qualified to tell me who's more informed than whom? Do you also think that victims should be in charge of prison sentences - after all, judges and juries only hear the stories second-hand, rather like you and me with regard to Labour's alleged antisemitism, as it happens? 😂 And you don't always quote from the "left-wing press" (who are they, anyway - certainly not the Huffington Post). All you bring to these discussions is right-wing bias, which you're perfectly entitled to do of course, and blind pro-Israeli regime bigotry. That's all OK too, but don't do it then deny that you've done it!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 07:11 AM

Tory Turmoil

I wonder what our usual suspects will have to say about this report

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 08:05 AM

Oops - I can't get that link to work. Perhaps the Tories have spun it away! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 08:20 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tatler-tory-bullying-scandal-report-grieving-father-dismisses-findings-as-whitewash/ar-BBvJDui

Hmmm tried again still wouldn't work, try copy and pasting the above

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 08:35 AM

WHAT! A Tory-commissioned report into Tory misbehaviour being described as a whitewash? NEVER! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

..........Keith.....?   😂😂😂


(Jaysus, I've busted it again. Is the corset shop still open? 😂😂😂)

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 09:37 AM

the Murdoch press

We've got our own problems with that this side of the pond too, tha knows.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 09:43 AM

Keith probably thinks the Murdoch press is moderately centre-left. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 10:06 AM

Steve,
And you don't always quote from the "left-wing press" (who are they, anyway - certainly not the Huffington Post)

My quotes on this have been from Guardian, Labour List, Independent, Daily Mirror and the HP.
"The Huffington Post was launched on May 9, 2005 as an overtly liberal/left commentary outlet "

I deplore bullying and intimidation in Tory Party as well, and note that the person was permanently expelled from the Party, unlike any of the Labour antisemites.

The suicide's father described the report as a whitewash, but the Guardian on Thursday said,
"Read beyond the headlines, and Wednesday's report is quietly damning. "

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 10:48 AM

an overtly liberal/left commentary outlet "


What you, Professor, fail to understanand is that what passes for much of "the left" in the U.S. is pretty much the equivalent of the more progressive "Rockefeller Republicans" of days of yore.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 11:29 AM

If you deplore bullying and intimidation in the Tory party, then let's see you expend as many words on it now as you have on Labour's (still only alleged, and only by apologists for the Israeli regime) antisemitism. Even though the report is a bit of a Tory oil-on-troubled-waters job, makes tough reading, doesn't it? Think I'd rather be in a party containing a few people who open their big gobs before engaging the brain than in a party in which there was sexual intimidation and bullying from an already-known bully boy which was ignored by the top brass and lied about by Shapps. And that's only the bits the Tory report has told us about. Speaks volumes that the lad's parents wanted nothing to do with it. Oh, then there's our racist buffoon at the foreign office, of course. And don't mention those underage gay sex parties...

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 12:18 PM

Labour Bullying.
Letter in Thursday's Guardian from over a hundred Party workers.
"Intolerable attacks on Labour party staff"
"As former and retired members of Labour party staff, we object in the strongest possible terms to the way in which current party staff are being publicly attacked by some senior members and their supporters. Labour party staff are hard-working, dedicated individuals committed to the party and its objectives. They work long hours and are often required to spend weeks or even months away from home on particular campaigns. Some are on limited-term contracts with little job security. The nature of these jobs means that they are often required to implement unpopular or difficult national decisions in an organisation that is almost entirely voluntary and in which different views and opinions are strongly held.

Despite this, staff remain completely loyal to the party and to their employers, and the least they are entitled to expect is some loyalty and respect in return. To hear members of the Labour party attack their own employees is depressing; to hear talk about "clearing them out" is unacceptable; to hear such statements from the most senior level is intolerable."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 12:30 PM

Steve,
So what are YOUR personal experiences of antisemitism in Labour that make you qualified to tell me who's more informed than whom?

Well Steve, you have been a member for a few months, and the people I have been quoting have been working in the Party for most or all of their adult lives.
I do not dismiss people's views because you claim they are Israel apologists, which you refuse to justify, and which is anyway a non sequitur.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 16 - 02:38 PM

You liar. I repeat: the term I use is APOLOGISTS FOR THE ISRAELI REGIME. Personally, I am an Israel apologist, in the sense that I have no desire to see "Israel wiped off the map" and that I want the ordinary people of Israel, Jews and non-Jews alike, to have the peace, security and prosperity that their leaders and their misguided American allies deny them. I've said this here so many times. So why don't you just sod off with your nasty misrepresentations.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 03:59 AM

You liar. I repeat: the term I use is APOLOGISTS FOR THE ISRAELI REGIME.

I do not lie.
You said of them, "Because they are both Israel apologists. What's your problem?"

You still have not produced anything to justify any of those quoted being apologists for the Israeli regime anyway. Sadiq Khan? The entire NEC?

You still have not said why that would mean their views on antisemitism should be dismissed either.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 07:28 AM

The terminology I use is "apologists for the Israeli regime." That does not mean "Jews." That does not mean "people who oppose Hamas." That does not mean "people who defend Israel's right to exist." That does not mean "people who feel sorry for ordinary Israelis whose leaders and allies are imposing insecurity on them." It means people who seek to justify even the worst excesses of the Israeli regime, such as killing hundreds of children in Gaza, carrying out massacres in Lebanon, stealing the best Palestinian land for settlements, building an apartheid wall that cuts Palestinians' farms in half and the Arab citizens of Israel as second-class. On the few occasions I've used the term "Israel apologists" it's because I'm responding directly to equivalent terminology in your posts. I am not going to resort to pedantry every time. Life's too short. Now you know bloody well what I mean and always have, but, if you've forgotten, this post will clear it up. Now stop being so bloody dishonest. As for dismissing people's views on antisemitism, yes I do dismiss people's views that are not predicated on the proper definition, which is very simple: if you attack Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS, you are antisemitic. I dismiss views predicated on a false brand of antisemitism that says you can't criticise the actions of the Israeli state. I don't care whether you think that's antisemitic just because I don't happen to criticise everybody else in the same way at the same time. That is just childish. The aim of your preferred definition is to prevent criticism of the actions of the Israeli state. That is incredibly dishonest and yes I dismiss it out of hand. Now you don't deserve this explanation, so just clear off, will you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 07:33 AM

treating the Arab citizens

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 08:30 AM

killing hundreds of children in Gaza, carrying out massacres in Lebanon, stealing the best Palestinian land for settlements, building an apartheid wall that cuts Palestinians' farms in half and the Arab citizens of Israel as second-class.

Anyone who perpetuates such despicable lies about Israel in order to demonize her is an anti-Semite.........period, full stop, no ifs, ands or buts about it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 09:39 AM

Ah, the bad penny has turned up on cue!   Bobad, old bean, even if every one of those things was a big lie (and none of them are, of course), it STILL wouldn't constitute antisemitism, because we are NOT saying those things were done by Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS, or because that's what Jews do, or because it's in their blood. Those things were done by devious, power-mad, dishonest, racist politicians. Such people are found all over the world, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and none of the above. You wouldn't know a lie if one reared up and bit your arse. After all, you lived one for years as an anonymous, sniping coward yet still show no shame in turning up here to say stupid things.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 10:29 AM

When Jews call out something as antisemitic, leftist non-Jews feel curiously entitled to tell Jews they're wrong, that they are exaggerating or lying or using it as a decoy tactic – and to then treat them to a long lecture on what anti-Jewish racism really is.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 10:37 AM

When Jews call out against the policies of the Israeli Government why then do certain folks feel curiously entitled call only non-Jews who
call out against the policies of the Israeli Government anti-semites???

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 10:38 AM

PS:Bubo, Jews are not a "race".

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 10:54 AM

I should have specified "regressive leftist non-Jews" as the progressive left recognize who the bad actors in the Middle East are.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 11:24 AM

Ah, but Bubu- what about the Jews in Israel and worldwide that oppose the Israeli Government policies in Gaza, the occupied territories, in building settlements and the wall & etc -

Are these Jews therefore "anti-semites"?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 12:32 PM

The terminology I use is "apologists for the Israeli regime."

OK, apologists for the democratically elected government of Israel.

You still have not given any reason to call them that, as opposed to being apologists for any other country, and you still have not explained why their views on antisemitism within Labour should be dismissed because of it.

You have failed to make your case.
There is more reason to dismiss your views on Labour antisemitism than Jews and non-Jews who have worked for the Party for most or all of their adult lives and who speak from actual experience and knowledge, unlike you.
I remind you that you failed to recognise the anisemitism expressed by Naz Shah

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 16 - 01:29 PM

Naz Shah made a very stupid comment about ISRAEL (not about JEWS) that was based on the perceived bad behaviour of the ISRAELI REGIME. She did not make a comment about the bad behaviour of the members of the regime ARISING FROM THE FACT THAT THEY ARE JEWS. Her remark was stupid, immature and very unwise. It was not antisemitic. You clearly haven't a clue what antisemitism is. You clearly want to defend the record of successive Israeli regimes no matter how lousy that record has been. That is dishonest and it reveals that you want Israel to be treated far more favourably than anyone else. In fact, you reject all criticism. I have yet to see you accept any criticism of anything perpetrated by the state of Israel. As for democracy in Israel, you've been told before about how Palestinians in Israel are routinely discriminated against: how they are held up without reason for days at road blocks, how school buses won't go through Arab areas forcing children to walk for miles, how unemployment among non-Jews is far higher than among Jews and about how how pay levels among non-Jews are far lower. Ask the non-Jews who were kicked off good land in order to create exclusively Jewish settlements, or the hundreds of non-Jews who have been held in jail for months or years not only without charge but also without even being told why they are being held about your precious democracy. In Israel, democracy stops as soon as you leave the polling station for approximately a quarter of the population. Your deliberate blindness to all this is is a prime example of appalling bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 11:27 AM

Why are you still trying to discuss Israel in a thread about Labour?
You are obsessed!

Her remark was stupid, immature and very unwise. It was not antisemitic.

That is your assertion.
Against that we have the fact that she was suspended from the Party because of her antisemitic statements until she withdrew them and apologised for them.
Also the fact that having been reinstated she acknowledged in a BBC interview that it had been antisemitic, which she said was down to her ignorance of Jewish history.

So Steve, your assertion is contradicted by the action of the Party Exec., and by Shah's own assessment of what she said.

You have failed to make your case.
There is more reason to dismiss your views on Labour antisemitism than Jews and non-Jews who have worked for the Party for most or all of their adult lives and who speak from actual experience and knowledge, unlike you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 12:12 PM

Ask the non-Jews who were kicked off good land in order to create exclusively Jewish settlements

There are no illegal settlements - unless of course one assumes that Jews should not own property or build in those areas because they are Jews. Every current Jewish "settlement" is on land owned by Jews before 1948 or purchased after 1967. Settlements that tried to set up on land that was not Jewish owned have been dismantled. We continue to hear the term "illegal", but "legal and illegal" has to be more that political desires and interests. It has to refer to law. And, frankly, law established during the illegal Jordanian occupation of the area in which jewish property was confiscated and retitied, and current PA regulations that ban sales or ownership of property by Jews is not valid.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 12:29 PM

Give me any quote from any LABOUR OFFICIAL that she was suspended FOR ANTISEMITIC STATEMENTS. That's what you've just said. Not suspected antisemitic statements and not alleged antisemitic statements. So let's be having it. Not the first time you've been asked, either.

Like Ken Livingstone, I found none of her comments to be antisemitic, not even the one about "the Jews are rallying." Her own remarks in the BBC interview were:

"One of the tough conversations I had to have with myself was about, God, am I anti-Semitic?

"And I had to really question my heart of hearts. Yes, I have ignorance, yes everybody has prejudice, sub conscious biases, but does that make me anti-Semitic? And the answer was no, I do not have a hatred of Jewish people."

Her remarks were inflammatory, inexcusable, immature, stupid, mistimed and ignorant. But antisemitism means hating Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS. That does not include stating what Jews are actually doing, as long as what is being said is true, though she didn't half choose her moment badly. If I say that most Israeli Jews rally round their leaders, that is true but I can think of a million better ways of saying it. But she was speaking as a Muslim at a time when the Israeli regime were perpetrating outrages in Gaza (which you and the rest of your Islamophobic cohort don't accept, of course) against her fellow Muslims. She has backed down, apologised, grown up a bit and she has been reinstated. That is how it is. If you think it's wrong, tough. It's not your party. Take out a civil summons against her for hate speech, which is what real antisemitism is. Go on, piss or get off the pot. You want to big up a flash-in-the-pan incident whilst ignoring the far worse racism and probable criminality on your own side just because you don't like Muslims and will never hear a single word of criticism about the Israeli regime. Now just get over yourself. And the reason we are including Israel is because you and you extremist friends here WANT TO INCLUDE ANY CRITICISM AT ALL OF THE ACTIONS OF THE ISRAELI STATE AS ANTISEMITISM. That's the way the various pro-Israeli factions in the Labour Party and elsewhere want it, and your cheerleaders are the Israeli regime. So you can just drop that particular bit of dishonest bleating as well.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 12:31 PM

And try not to be stupid for a minute or two, bobad. It'll be an uphill struggle for sure, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 12:54 PM

There are no illegal settlements

Yeah, right. You taking over as a speech writer for Trump, Bubo? He needs someone who can write better fiction.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 01:09 PM

Wiki, on the legality of Israeli settlements:

...the consensus view of the international community is that Israeli settlements are illegal and constitute a violation of international law. According to the BBC, every government in the world, except Israel, considers the settlements to be illegal.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 01:55 PM

Well, waddaya expect from those rabid antisemites at the BBC, Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 02:03 PM

According to official Arab statistics, over 989,000 Jews were forced out of their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970's. Some 650,000 resettled in Israel, leaving behind personal property valued today at more than $990 billion. Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands has been estimated at 120,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the State of Israel). Valued today at about 15 trillion dollars.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 02:06 PM

official Arab statistics

Source, Bubo?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 02:08 PM

The only US president who didn't think the settlements are illegal was the twat Raygun, and even he told Israel to knock it off. Of course, Israel's massive Yankee puppet won't actually do anything about it, but at least it knows, like everyone else on the planet except for Keith, bobad and the Bibi brigade, that the settlements are unjust, illegal and a major obstacle to peace.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 21 Aug 16 - 02:16 PM

Text of Law drafted by Political Committee of Arab League

    Beginning with November 28, 1947, all Jewish citizens of (Name of Arab Country) will be considered as members of the Jewish minority State of Palestine and will have to register with the authorities of the region wherein they reside, giving their names, the exact number of members in their families, their addresses, the names of their banks and the amounts of their deposits in these banks. This formality is to be accomplished within seven days.

    Beginning with (November 28, 1947), bank accounts of Jews will be frozen. These funds will be utilized in part or in full to finance the movement of resistance to Zionist ambitions in Palestine.

    Beginning with (November 28, 1947), only Jews who are subjects of foreign countries will be considered as "neutrals". These will be compelled either to return to their countries, with a minimum of delay, or be considered as Arabs and obliged to accept active service with the Arab army.

    Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of those armies, will be considered as "Arabs".

    Every Jew whose activities reveal that he is an active Zionist will be considered as a political prisoner and will be interned in places specifically designated for that purpose by police authorities or by the Government. His financial resources, instead of being frozen, will be confiscated.

    Any Jew who will be able to prove that his activities are anti-Zionist will be free to act as he likes, provided that he declares his readiness to join the Arab armies.

    The foregoing (para.6) does not mean that those Jews will not be submitted to paragraphs 1 and 2 of this law.