BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 07:54 AM

Jim,
the Israeli regime are insisting that all criticisms of its policy - even by Jews, is Anrtisemi

More tosh from Jim!
They have a free press and media that constantly criticises government policy.
They have an Opposition, whose JOB it is to challenge and criticise government policy.

No Antisemitism, other than criticism of Israel was found

Yes it was, but Chakrabarti chose not to detail it or name the guilty.
We have plenty of examples though, and they have been detailed here.

Steve,
NOT EVIDENCE THAT SHE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH.

Yes it is. Not proof but evidence certainly.
There can be no proof that a peerage was awarded for donations or whitewashes, so it is nauseatingly disengenuous of you to demand it.
I am sure you believe the former without proof, so why demand it for the latter?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 09:19 AM

Jim Carroll - 09 Aug 16 - 06:13 AM

Usual mixture of bluster and denial I see Jom.

1: "If the Labour Party is to survive, this has to either be proven with evidence and numbers or walked away from."

Chakrabarti's Report ensures the latter. Despite howls of protest from rather a large number of people within the Labour Party and from groups representing the Jewish Community in the UK.

2: "Make your case - give us numbers or examples - show us there is evidence of Antisemitism or stick your accusations up your fascist holes."

Charmingly put as ever Jom.

We know the numbers last reported it was 50 suspensions - because of the recommendations detailed in Chakrabarti's Report nothing more will ever be heard of the names or the details related to why these people have been suspended - That Jom is as effective a "cover-up" as anyone could wish for. And the Labour Party far from dealing with this with complete transparency they've made it as opaque and obscured as they possibly could have {Remembering of course that Baroness Royall's Report would never, ever have been put into the public domain by Labour's NEC had it not first been leaked}

Examples we had 5 complete with names and examples of the remarks that were made.

Does support for Hamas count as legitimate protest against the Israeli Government? That is the Hamas, whose founding Charter states:

(a) Strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. (Article 6)(That explodes any "myth" about seeking any Two-State Solution)
(b) There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer. (Article 13)
(c) Calls for action "by the people as a single body" against "a vicious enemy which acts in a way similar to Nazism, making no differentiation between man and woman, between children and old people. (Article 20) ("no differentiation between man and woman, between children and old people" - Does that sound like the Israeli Government they are talking about?)
(d) Conspiracy charges against Israel and the whole of the Jewish people: "Israel, Judaism and Jews".[Article 28)

Does singing "Rockets over Tel Aviv" count as legitimate protest against the Israeli Government?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:25 AM

(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:27 AM

Bit surprised you have the nerve to show your face again here after your having been exposed as a hypocrite and an apologist for Antisemitism
You want to prove there's a problem with Antisemitism in the Labour party, tell us what it is, who's involved and how many.
The idea of putting a Party with no history of antisemitism or bigotry on trial and refusing to specify what those charges are and who you are accusing is bloody obscene.
Even Stalin wenbt to the trouble of trumping up charges and providing some sort of evidence
You are a pair of extremist half-wits - and you are an apologist for antisemitism, so your reasons for behaving the way you do is to push your ow nextremist agenda
who are these antisemites - what have they said that makes them antisemitic - how many of them are there?   
Answer that you you may hAve a CASE - THIS IS GETTING BLOODY RIDICULOUS - A TRAIL WITHOUT SPECIFYING THE CHARGES AND REFUSING TO NAME THE ACCUSED - WHAT EXTREMIST WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?
"Chakrabarti's Report ensures the latter."
No it doesn't until some solid evidence proves there to be a problem with Antisemitism in the Labour Party the verdict of the survey stands
You have produced no evidence, neither has anybody else.
"Charmingly put as ever Jom."
Don't thik you have any grounds for complaint about how to address people =- you are an ill-mannered thug - I took my cue from you.
"Does support for Hamas count as legitimate protest against the Israeli Government?"
Support for the Palestinian People does not count - unfortunately, as things Stand in the Middle East, Hamas is the only opposition the Palestinians have against Israeli terrorism so, no, of course it does not count.
Ironically, Hamas has not acted in any way different from all resistance movements involved in National Liberation - including the Jewish Freedom Fighters who fought for the State of Israel.
Israel is carrying out a war of ethnic cleansing to create a monotheist State - what rules of warfare do you suggest the Palestinians adopt to stop that from happening.
And no - I am not a Hamas supporter, but I see the peresent alternative to them unthinkable as things stand
Had the U.S. not protected Israel with their vetoes, Israel would have stood trial for atrocities long ago.
"Does singing "Rockets over Tel Aviv" count"
(Won't take advantage of the amusing typo - as you would)
No more than using chemical or anti-personnel weapons, or facilitation the massacre of 3,500 unarmed refugees..... or all the other atrocities carried out against a civilian and largely unarmed Third World people "counts" - but shit happens in war.
Show thaty these things never happened and you might have a case - I suppose you could take Keith's line and just deny them
Aren't you one of the people who claimed that the Arabs have no right to Palestine - cae proven, I think - another supporter of the Israeli regime taking a pop at Labour - a pattern well established, I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Stu
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:31 AM

I wish you lot would get a room.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:33 AM

Raggytash - 09 Aug 16 - 10:25 AM

(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

"Just saying like." - says Raggy

Worked out well for all those folks in Gaza didn't it Raggy? - Just saying like......

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:44 AM

Raggytash - 09 Aug 16 - 10:25 AM

(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

"Just saying like." - Says Raggy

That certainly worked out well for all those folks of different religions and political affiliations in Gaza - the latter coexisted magnificently in safety and security up until the point Hamas launched them off the roofs of high-rise buildings - Just saying like

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:47 AM

Worked out well for all those folks in Gaza

That the folks the Israeli Gov't annihilated, T?,

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:05 AM

And when did the Israeli throw people off high-rise buildings Greg F.?

Hamas did that to members of Fatah they rounded up in Gaza in 2007. I must say you guys and Hamas have got a very strange idea of what constitutes safety and security of those under Hamas governance. On the subject of governance and respect of the rights of the population in general - When was the last time elections were held in Gaza Greg F.?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:30 AM

No, just bomb the buildings out of existence.

Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:54 AM


(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

Christians are disappearing from the whole Middle East through persecution, likewise Yazidis from Syria, and there are regular massacres of Christians in Pakistan.
Then there are the killings of one kind of Muslim by other kinds.
Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 12:22 PM

Oh how very original of the professor and his sidekick to use an expression someone else used.

Either of you EVER had an original thought of your own?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 12:28 PM

"Worked out well for all those folks in Gaza didn't it Raggy? "
Thanks to Israeli genocidal terrorism, do you mean?
Just saying, like!
"And when did the Israeli throw people off high-rise buildings Greg F"
And when did Hamas adopt a policy of ethnic cleansing and facilitate the massacre of 3,500 unarmed rafugees
How long do you want to go on with this - plenty more examples.?
USE of WHITE PHOSPHORUS
U.S. COVER UP
ISRAELI WAR CRIMES HAARETZ
ETHNIC CLEANSING HAARETZ
ISRAELI WAR CRIMES
Want any more?
Jim Carroll



Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 12:44 PM

Either of you EVER had an original thought of your own?

Correction: Either of you EVER had a thought, period?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 01:49 PM

"Either of you EVER had an original thought of your own?" - Raggy {"Just saying like"}

Judging by the respective input to this thread and considering some others I'd say both of us have given the subject a great deal more attention and thought than you (Or "say nothin'" Greg F.) have Raggy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:02 PM

Keep up with the anti-Semitic tropes Carroll, they show you to the world for the Jew hating bigot that you are.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:13 PM

Hi
The Party's over....it's time to call it a day..!!!

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:14 PM

Parry Mitchell, a Jewish member of the House of Lords and a former frontbencher under Ed Miliband, said anti-Semitism in Labour had been "permitted to fester" under Mr Corbyn.

In a letter to The Times this morning, Lord Mitchell said the inquiry led by Shami Chakrabarti, which concluded the party was not "over-run" by anti-Semitism, was an "insipid whitewash".

He said he will resign if Corbyn is re-elected leader.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:19 PM

Gillian Merron, who is now the chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, suggested that Shami Chakrabarti's antisemitism inquiry within the Labour Party was "something of a whitewash".

Merron represented Lincoln as Labour MP from 1997 to the 2010 general election

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:57 PM

"Keep up with the anti-Semitic tropes Carroll, "
You're the Antisemit Bobad
What do you think of Keith's "silly" song - do you think it's as harmless as the Dad's Army theme considering what was happening to the Jewish People at the time
I don't expect youto answer this - defending the Jewish people isn't your thing, is it?
Your dishonest spinelessness is a wonderful example of Israeli bhaviour.
Now, if it were about the Israeli regime, that would be different.
"He said he will resign if Corbyn is re-elected leader."
Hopefully he'll take a bunch of right-wingers with him.
'bout time the Labour Party remembered why it was created.
Any word on numbers or examples yet fellers - no - thought not
Beee-zaaaar!
"Well your honour - we think they're guilty but we're not going to tell you who they are or what they've done."
Pity the days of silent film are over - this would make a great Mudkat Kops scenario.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 03:00 PM

Keep up with the anti-Semitic tropes Carroll

Yup Bubo- just like those thouusands of Jewish Israeli citizens who oppose the atrocious policies of the Israeli Government.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 04:46 PM

Just goes to show you eh Greg
Somebody actiually belitles the suffering of the Jewish People - no problem
Somebody criticises the extreme right wing Israeli Regime - tooy thrown ot of th pram
His ancestors really bust be proud of thiis defender of the faith
Sheesh - what a friggin' team of right-wing tossers!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 04:54 PM

I want to see Corbyn elected asaleader of the labour party.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 05:14 PM

"I want to see Corbyn elected asaleader of the labour party."
Me too Dick
He may lack experience but he's streets ahead as far as honesty and principles are concerned.
I might even decide to vote againif he stays.
Do these people really feel it acceptable that you can accuse a Party in this way and refuse to describe what they are accusing it of
I really do find this unbelievably
No wonder the Irish hate them - whoops - forgot - they wouldn't tell us how they did that either
Memo to myself - must resist using the word tosser
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 08:31 PM

"The more stories like this emerge, and the greater the suspicion that the current Labour leadership is unwilling or unable to tackle or even recognize what contemporary antisemitism looks like, the greater the perception will become that, as it stands, the party is a toxic environment for Jews."

ZFUK is not the only organization voicing harsh criticism of Labour's handling of antisemitism in the party.

Jonathan Sacerdoti, director of communications at the Campaign Against Antisemitism, said in a statement that Labour's "constant stream of controversy and scandal…further erodes the trust of all reasonable Britons in the party itself."

"Weak cover stories, half excuses, support from and for extremists, power and honor being handed to those covering up antisemitism, and now money being donated by terrorist sympathizers and supporters; there can be no question that this is being misread or spun by a specific interest group," he said.

Antisemitic Fringe in Labour Emboldened by Rise of Jeremy Corbyn

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 03:51 AM

"ZFUK is not the only organization voicing harsh criticism of Labour's handling of antisemitism in the party."
And once again we have confirmation that this campaign is linked directly to Israel's attempts to offset criticism of it's murderous and predatory behavior.
Bobad's linked article is taken from statements from The Zionist Federation of the U.K. whose self stated aims are...
"The ZF celebrates Israel and challenges our enemies. As the UK affiliate of the World Zionist Organisation, originally founded as the Zionist Organisation at the initiative of Theodor Herzl, The ZF stands up for Israel in all forums, both nationally and internationally. From the media, to civil society, to the political establishment, The ZF is proud to support the noble cause of Zionism."
It really cannot get more plainly stated than that - the "Antisemitism" that Labour is being accused off are not attacks on The Jewish People, but on criticism of Israel - it actually says so in the article - anybody who criticises Israel automatically becomes an Antisemite..
I've asked Bobad is that is is position - with his usual display of courage he refuses to answer,
I was brought up in a household that totally supported the cause of the State of Israel.
The obvious rise in Nazisim in Germany inspired my father, a pacifist Catholic, to volunteer to fight in Spain to attempt to stop the rise of fascism - he fought alongside Jewish Refugees who had fled Germany and recognised the Nazi threat to the Jewish People.
He was wounded, captured and hospitalised, and in San Sebastain Prison he befriended German Jewish members of the Ernst Thälmann Brigade.
When my father died, our house was filled with people I had never met, including some of the Jews who had fought alongside him in Spain, some of whom had gone on to become Jewish Freedom Fighters for the new State of Israel.
Throughout my entire political life I have associated with and befriended left wing Jews who thought, as I do, that this rotten world desperately needs improvement - now "self-hating" Jews all, to the scum who have destroyed the dream of a Jewish Homeland by adopting the same policies as were used to send six million of them to the extermination camps.
To Bobad - I am an Antisemite, because I oppose these people.
Fine by me.
I'm happy to put beliefs against anybody's who doesn't have the courage and the principle to condemn the describing of this song, written on the eve of the extermination of six million Jews, as "a silly song as harmless as the theme song of 'Dad's Army', 'Who Do You Think You're Kidding Mr Hitler":

Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee.

Poorer still and poorer
Grow the trueborn sons,
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance,
Fooled by Jewish lies,
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies.

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But, by the God of battles
T'will serve to hang them yet.

Please feel free to call me an "Antisemite" for as long as the fanct takes you Bobad - personally, I'm at a loss to find a word which describes your behaviour.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:22 AM

Jim, one anti-semite wrote a silly song for his antisemitic friends, on the eve of this country taking on the might of the Third Reich expecting nothing but deaths and crushing defeat.
The song was never published or sung in public.

"Well your honour - we think they're guilty but we're not going to tell you who they are or what they've done."

How can we when Chakrabarti refused to make them public in her whitewash reeport.
We do know that 50 people were suspended from the party, and that the "entire NEC was appalled" just by "recent incidents" of antisemitism.

The problem was serious enough to require two labour Party inquiries and a Parliamentary one yet to report.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:54 AM

Are those two examples of prominent apologists for the Israeli regime supposed to be evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH, Keith, or do they merely represent the fact that you enjoy nothing more than flogging dead horses? Wouldn't you have thought that, by now, had there been any truth in the allegation, the gutter press would have gone to town on it? Or maybe your mate Rupert fancies the arse off of Shami so is laying off... 😂😂😂

There are no Jew-hating bigots in this thread, bobad, but I'll tell you this much: there won't be many Jews, in Israel or anywhere else, who would want you for a friend, especially if they heard about how you hid behind a cheating second identity in order to call people Jew haters leaving "bobad" unscathed. They simply wouldn't feel safe. You are the archetypal antisemite. A Hamas secret agent couldn't be doing a better job than you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:07 AM

"Jim, one anti-semite wrote a silly song for his antisemitic friends, "
Are you really defending this ****** song by a bunch of British fascist who went on to attempt to form a provisional Government for when "Herr Hitler won the war"
"The song was never published or sung in public."
So what - does that make Antisemitism from members of the Government, the House of Lords, The Press.
Your disgustingly antisemitic comment was that it was a harmless "silly" song - considering what was to follow, that is an obscene statement to make, and considering what would have happened had Hitler won the war, it is dismissing genocide.
You are fully aware of this, which is why you lied about having said it "Not true. Produce a quote why don't you?!"
I really think you're finished here, don't you Keith?
You really do disgust me.
"How can we when Chakrabarti refused to make them public in her whitewash report."
The report is now in the hands of those in whose interest it would be to release the details of Labour's "Antisemitism" - none is forthcoming so I really must be very, very, Antisemitic, don't you think????
As Bobad's link pointed out, it amounts to criticism of Israel, which makes the civilised world "antisemitic"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:32 AM

Steve,
two examples of prominent apologists for the Israeli regime

They were lifelong Labour people, but yes they were Jews so their views on Labour antisemitism do not count.
By "apologists" you presumably mean they supported Israel's right to exist. I thought you did too Steve.

Jim,
Are you really defending this ****** song
No.

Your disgustingly antisemitic comment was that it was a harmless "silly" song

It was a silly song, and disgustingly antisemitic.
I never said it was harmless, but that little clique of antisemites had no influence.
We went to war against Herr Hitler and stood alone aginst him at great and terrible.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:32 AM

....cost

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 06:36 AM

"It was a silly song, and disgustingly antisemitic."
Then why did you compare it to the theme song from 'Dad's Army'
"I never said it was harmless,"
Then why did you compare it to the theme song from 'Dad's Army' We went to "war against Herr Hitler and stood alone aginst him at great and terrible."
Diversive bullshit.
Can I remind you of how that argument started.
I recalled having been told as a young man of British politicians describing reports of Auschwitz as "lies by whingeing Yids".   
You objected strenuously saying I had made it up - you insisted that such an idea was "illogical"
Despite having been presented with the behaviour of some British politicians, you continued to defend your "illogical" argument.
You have never had any interest in the welfare of the Jewish People - your only interest is to defend the interests of right wing extremism - here and in Israel.
Inn this particular case, that included defending virulent Antisemitic fascism by extremely dangerous British Fascists art a time when, as you say "we went to war against Herr Hitler and stood alone against him at great and terrible cost".
I like the "Herr" - by the way - not often you see him referred to as Mr.
And before you use it as an excuse - mine was a direct quote from British Fascists - yours was your own chosen description.
Jay-sus - is the mask really slipping when you're put to it??
"you presumably mean they supported Israel's right to exist."
More made up Keith shit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:43 AM

Steve,

Are those two examples of prominent apologists for the Israeli regime supposed to be evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH,

No. I was showing that the inference is widely held, especially by Labour Jews whose opinion is highly relevant.

prominent apologists for the Israeli regime
Can you for once justify that assertion?

Jim,
"It was a silly song, and disgustingly antisemitic."
Then why did you compare it to the theme song from 'Dad's Army'

Because neither song has any historical significance, though the Dad's Army one reflects most closely how Brits felt at the time.

I recalled having been told as a young man of British politicians describing reports of Auschwitz as "lies by whingeing Yids".   
You objected strenuously saying I had made it up -

No. You gave it as an actual quote.
You were forced to concede that it was not. It was made up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 04:24 AM

"Because neither song has any historical significance, though the Dad's Army one reflects most closely how Brits felt at the time."
Apoloogist crap Keith
If songs like this had no significance, then neither did anything that happened in Europe in the thirties and forties.
They were part for the history of who was doing what to who
It is now illegal in Germany to deny that the Holocaust didn't happen.
It should be equally illegal to deny that prominent people i Britain supported those event - which was precisely what you attempted to do.
As usual, your interest wasn't then and still isn't in what happened to the Jewish People, but to defend the British right wing establishment.
You attempted to deny or at least play down the role of some of the British 'Great and Good' who actually supported Hitler and the Nazis.
These people and what they did were part of what happened - our history, just as musc as was the appeasement of Hitler, That no attempts to stop the rise of Hitler were ever undertaken, the fact that a British Monarch and his lady where friends of "Herr Hitler", that he taught the Royal children to give the Nazi salute......
ALL A PART OF BRITISH HISTORY
To deny or play down any of this is equivalent to denying that the Holocaust happened.
"No. You gave it as an actual quote."
Which is how I first herd it - the fact that I was unable to trace it was immaterial
What is very material is that you went to great lengths to deny it, claiming that it was "illogical" - please tell me that you still hold that view - PLEASE!!
You were given the facts of British fascism yet you still claimed that that statement could not have been made.
Wht should people like those wow wrote:
"Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee."
should not have claimed the Holocaust to have been a "lie invented by whingeing Yids?"
You are a truely evil little man.
"No. I was showing that the inference is widely held"
No it is not.
Despite the fact that the Israelis now have the contents of the enquiry in full, not one statement implicating The Labour Party in serious Antisemitism - not one.
All the quotes given so far have been criticism of Israeli war crimes - which is not Antisemitism.
Some critics may have adopted the same policy of blaming the Jewish People, but so have the Israelis, so have you and certainly, so has Bobad - making you all Antisemites.
You, with your appeasement of British fascism, most certainly are anyway.
A REMINDER of WHAT YOU SUPPORT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 06:56 AM

Israel isn't the only country on Earth, and certainly not the only one in the Mideast, that has ever violated the human rights of its minorities, and sometimes, even majorities.

Condemning that isn't Jew hatred.

On the other hand, condemning Israel exclusively, obsessively and selectively is.

How to spot a Jew hater

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 07:39 AM

condemning Israel exclusively, obsessively and selectively is.

Actually, Bubo, that would be antiisraelic.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:21 AM

condemning Israel exclusively, obsessively and selectively is.
Nobody is, but at the present time Israel is solely to blame for what we are discussing here
We may as well bring up the atrocities committed by the US in Vietnam.
We are not discussing atrocities in general - we ar discussing the Gaza Massacres and war crimes, the stealing of Palestinian land, the creation of a Apartheid Stae and the ethnic cleansing of Palaesinians

HOW TO SPOT AN APPEASER OF ANTISEMITISM
Present him with this, ask him to condemn it as antisemitism and recieve no reply.   
"Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee.

Poorer still and poorer
Grow the trueborn sons,
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance,
Fooled by Jewish lies,
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies.

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But, by the God of battles
T'will serve to hang them yet."
You are a Holocaust denier - I thought tthat was Antisemitic!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:49 AM

Incdently Bubblyrat
"How to spot a Jew hater"
Is editorial from the right wing Toronto Sun - a tabloid bumwipe to the Right of our own bum-wipe Sun - a supporter of exteme right-wing politics in Britain and America - just the place to go for evenness and accuracy - once you get past the page three dolly-bird.
Your extremist tendencies are showing again
"antisemitism" uses - Brooklyn
CRITICISM of ISRAEL
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:53 AM

Just spotted one.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 09:51 AM

"Just spotted one."
Then get away from that mirror
Spineless little Jew-hating creep
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 09:57 AM

"Israel is solely to blame for what we are discussing here"

Really? I thought what is being discussed here is Labour's hell bent rush to destruction at the hands of, and on the watch of, the one the faithful of "Momentum" call "The Leader".

As for the origin of the comment "lie invented by whingeing Yids?" That you first put down to ONE politician, who you could not identify, or provide evidence that the comment was ever made.

You have now changed that Jom to numerous politicians you were "told" about. Yet you still cannot name one. This you believe wholeheartedly, and you think everyone else should too.

The British public have been told of numerous members of the Labour Party who have made anti-Semitic comments and about rewards offered and accepted for covering it all up - making the problem go away - Quite a number of people believe that and oddly enough they have far greater justification for believing that than you have believing what you do Jom.

Don't you find it funny that in the 1930s roughly 250 people to varying degrees admired Hitler and the Nazis out of a population of how many millions? And these people who you refer to as the "great and the good" sang anti-Semitic songs. Well Jom advance the clock 75 years and we find that it is now a section of the Labour Party singing anti-Semitic songs - "trickledown effect"??

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 10:04 AM

Spineless little Jew-hating creep

The more you dissemble the more you reveal of yourself, so do keep it up, it's accumulating.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 11:08 AM

"Really? I thought what is being discussed here is Labour's hell bent rush to destruction at the hands of, and on the watch of, the one the faithful of "Momentum" call "The Leader"
Been skulking under the stairs - we're discussing the plot to discredit the Labour Party on the basis of no evidence to date
You come across any examples otr numbers yet - no - thought not.
"Labour's hell bent rush to destruction at the hands of, and on the watch of, the one the faithful of "Momentum" call "The Leader"
Wrong again, we're looking at an attempted right wing coup in the Labour party not unsimilar to what is happening in the rest of Europe.
I'm really not surprised that you have chosen your side, fascist that you are.
Corbyn my be inexperienced, but he reflects what the Labour Party should stand for - right politics is fucking up the entire planet at the present time - aant you with your 'itinerant wok force' - you lazy British workers and "crap manufacturing industry" gives us an pretty good example of why   
I have no idea what type of leader he would turn out to be, any more than you have but at least he doesn't present the 'Death's Head Danny Tebbit' future that you and yours offers.
Its a bit ludicrous to tak about a Tory support takling about a party being - it wasn't a Labour leader that was forced to resign after Brexit - nor have they appointed a racist, braindead, unqualified foreign spokesman or created a situation of increasing economic crisis, rising unemployment and the upheaval facing British people working abroad.
The entire parliamentary system has been destabalised -so gloating about what's happening to the Labour Party seems somewhat ludicrous.
"That you first put down to ONE politician, who you could not identify,"
I did not - I put it down to a reportedly overheard conversation in Westminster.
Stop making things up and pay attention
I explained exactly where I got the story - that I was unable to provide the source is immaterial (unless you, like Keith, would like to show it was "illogical")   
What I did provide was names of people in responsible positions whose actions made the story credible - likely even.
Britain had an active Antisemitic Fascist movement working during World War Two to prepare a provisional government for the day "Herr Hitler came to power".
Now why on earth should comments such as I have described have been made
It's not how many people who supported admired Hitler that presented the threat - it's who they were and what position in society they held - kings, nobility, politicians., newspaper proprietors, giants of industry - they were the people capable of doing the damage.
Had Germany won and your lot managed to take over - wonder wheer they would have erected their gas chambers!!
Mudcat seems to have acquired a comfy little Kabal of Klansmen to defend the good name of the British right - do you think the others carry weapons, as you have boasted doing?
Must drop my sisters a line reminding them to lock the front door at night.
You goose - steppers really are something
Go- on, show us your gun again!!
"The British public have been told of numerous members of the Labour Party who have made anti-Semitic comments a"
No they haven't - nobody has "told the British people" any such thing
No specific Antisemitism ahs been identified - not even from the leaked enquiry, no numbers are forthcoming, no description of what from that "antisemitism" takes.
An accusation, instigated by the millions of pounds worth propaganda campaign
LATEST
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 11:14 AM

the more you reveal of yourself, so do keep it up, it's accumulating.

Yes, Bubo, but enough has already accumulated for us to know what a piece of work you really are! No need to accumulate more. Case proven.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 12:57 PM

The more you dissemble the more you reveal of yourself, so do keep it up, it's accumulating.
My offer still stands - even doubled
I will make as large a donation as you care to name if you can give me one example of my never attacking The Jewish People - one will do
A failure to do this makers you the trollish liar that you are.
You are living proof of the risk the Israel regime have put the Jewish People to in blaming them for Israeli atrocities - poncing of the dead of Auschwitz
It's little wonder that you don't have the spine to even mention Keith's atrociious trivialising of extreme Antsemitism
As I said - the Kapo mentality
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 01:06 PM

"...but yes they were Jews so their views on Labour antisemitism do not count."

"But yes?" Do not pretend that you are agreeing with something I said. I referred to Israel regime apologists. If you want to pin "Jew" on them, fire away, but bear in mind that that's precisely what Adolf's goons did in the runup to Kristallnacht. There are plenty of Israel apologists who are not Jews. You have just branded yourself an antisemite. Thanks for saving the rest of us from the trouble.


"By "apologists" you presumably mean they supported Israel's right to exist. I thought you did too Steve."

Oh, isn't the world so black and white, Keith. Don't forget that act of contrition next Sunday, you hateful little man.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 01:11 PM

"I did not - I put it down to a reportedly overheard conversation in Westminster."

Jom those are your words, and not so long ago on this thread you were rabbiting on about Justice and Legal Systems and the like. A question for you, well a couple really:

1: Do you know what "hearsay" is? Do you know what it means?

2: Are you also aware that it does not constitute evidence in any way, shape, or form.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:03 PM

Oh yes, Teribus, we are plenty aware of that, don't you worry. Speaking of which, where is YOUR evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN EXCHANGE FOR a whitewash, that isn't hearsay, puttting two and two and two together to make five, she's a red and what more do you need, "it's bleeding obvious when you think about it," etc. etc? What's sauce for the...oh, never mind...

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:12 PM

Bibi is 100% correct. Israel cares more about the Palestinians that the Palestinian leaders care about them.

The Prime Minister of Israel
4 hrs ·

I'm going to say something now that some of you will not believe. But I'm going to say it anyway because it's true.

I, the Prime Minister of Israel, care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do.
Israel cares more about Palestinians than their own leaders do.

That sounds incredible, right?

But consider the following:
A few days ago, the world learned that Hamas, the terrorist organization that rules Gaza, stole millions of dollars from humanitarian organizations like World Vision and the United Nations.

Innocent and impoverished Palestinians were denied vital aid supplied from nations around the world.
Hamas used this stolen money to build a war machine to murder Jews.

I want you to think about that. Let that sink in.

Hamas stole critical support for Palestinian children so that they could kill our children.

So I ask you—who cares more about Palestinians?

Israel, that facilitates the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza, every single day?
Or Hamas, that robs Palestinian children of that very same aid?

Israel, that treats wounded Palestinians from Gaza in its hospitals?
Or Hamas that prevents injured Palestinians from getting help?

Imagine, just imagine, where we might all be if Palestinian leaders cared as much about helping their own people as they did about hurting our people. The Palestinian people deserve better.

And today, I express my deepest sympathy with innocent Palestinians and those well-meaning nations who generously donated money to help them.

The cynicism and cruelty of Hamas is hurting all of us.
It's hurting peace.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:20 PM

" Do you know what "hearsay" is?"
I know what it is when it is repeated over a number of decades by different people in different cities- probably right.
Out of curiosity, why is is so important to you to defend something that was fairly common among the British 'great and good' and might have been said by any of them at any time?
We know they were about at the time - stretching up to the British monarch -
BRITISH FASCISM
Why on earth should it have not happened?
Don't get me wrong - I have no objection to your doing so - far from it - it is confirmation of what a nasty little right-armed saluter you really are, so please keep defending your friends..
Are you aware that no evidence is needed to prove such things of such people - you have the information about the Right Club - or was that just nasty, made up shit.
You know what Doc Freud said about people whi constantly talk down to people - that it's usually a sign that they can't geyt one up when required
Why not try Viagra - it might halp your problem , though it will rob us of a great deal of amusement