BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 05:40 AM

If I wanted to distance myself I'd tell you out loud, twat. You do not get to read anything into the fact that I had yet to refer to her. Life's too short. Netanyahu's remarks about the problem of Israeli Arabs is about as racist as it gets. Trust you not to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 05:44 AM

Cross posted ungrammatically with Jim there.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 12:23 PM

She attended the conference and she made her position clear - you have what she said

You have not told us what she supposedly said or who claims to have heard her.
Why not tell us Jim?

Steve,
Netanyahu's remarks about the problem of Israeli Arabs is about as racist as it gets. Trust you not to see it.

I may not be the only one. Explain the racism, and what it has to do with Smeeth anyway.

Re Marc Wadsworth, you may believe his denials and protestations, but the Party did not. He was suspended.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 12:57 PM

"Why not tell us Jim?"
Have done Keith
Why not respond to your accusation that I made up "Self-hating Jews" and while you're at it, you might as well add Netanyahu's "non racism" - or is this something else you are going to do a runner from?
Can add as many of these as you wish each time you ask, if that's what you like.
"but the Party did not"
The Labour Party have not been given the opportunity to decide on Wadsworth's behaviour, just has Wadsworth has not been given the opportunity to state his case.
"I've now been expelled from the Labour party. I've received a letter from this very shadowy unit called the constitutional unit and they have summarily expelled me without any opportunity to give my side, just based on media reports."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 01:14 PM

It is virtually impossible to find out who makes up the 'constitutional unit' other than it was set up by the Labour 'old guard', has vehemently opposed Corbyn from day one, has attempted to block his re-election and objects to new members being allowed to join.
It seems to have no connection to the mainstream Labour Partyand in no way represent their view.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 03:47 AM

Have done Keith

No you have not Jim.
You have nothing on Smeeth. If you did you would be happy to repeat it.
Just lying smears against someone attacked for being Jewish Jim.
For shame!

Wadsworth was suspended from the Labour Party. That could not happen unless the leadership, the NEC and Corbyn believed it justified.

Netanyahu. I linked to the passage you cut and pasted.
It is about demographic trends in Israel. Nothing racist in it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 05:09 AM

"No you have not Jim."
Yest I have and I am not going to respond to your accusations until you begin to answer some of mine - and apologise for accusing me of making pu the "Self hating Jews" statement
Smeeth attended the conference, as I sated - that for me, is enough to link her with the pro Israel campaign
She supported Netunyahu' racist slur of the Palestinian people - which you claim is not racist.
She is also an employee of a group whose job it is to attract the elite to supporting the Israeli regime - enough evidence for me, without her support for Netunyahu's "NOT" racism.
"You have nothing on Smeeth. "
Yes it could - the group who took the action is an internal Quango, answerable to nobody but themselves.
He was not even given the right to reply - that is not how the Labour party operates - as you well know
If he, or anybody, is guilty of Antisemitism, they should be kicked out on their arses, but it has to be proved that they are.
Labour has acted impeccably throughout this affair and has gone by the book
The Tories j=have yet to even acknowledge the demand for an enquiry into Islamophobia and have appointed a racist as foreign secretary.
I know where my vote would go for a principled and responsible party
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 06:31 AM

apologise for accusing me of making pu the "Self hating Jews" statement

I have made no such accusation.

Smeeth attended the conference, as I sated - that for me, is enough to link her with the pro Israel campaign

So what? Like Steve she is pro-Israel.
She has family there. What is wrong with that?

She supported Netunyahu' racist slur of the Palestinian people

How do you know she supported it?
What was the racist slur anyway? Quote please.

She is also an employee of a group whose job it is to attract the elite to supporting the Israeli regime

Please justify that claim.

You have still not put up a shred of evidence to support one of your smears against her.
You are just running with the pack of antisemites with their campaign of hate against her as a Jew.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:17 AM

"I have made no such accusation."
Oh, for Christ's sake!!!
do you wonder why nobody wants any part of you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:24 AM

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
"So, your assertion that the regime "have insulted all Jews who disagree with them as "self-hating" is made up shit Jim, like so many of your claims."
Somewhat stupid to lie about something you said on the same thread
Now will you piss off?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:31 AM

You are just running with the pack of antisemites

He's lead dog in the pack of sickos.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:37 AM

Jim,
the regime "have insulted all Jews who disagree with them as "self-hating" is made up shit Jim

it is "made up shit" Jim.
The "regime" has not done that.
There is a free press that disagrees with them all the time, and an opposition whose very purpose is to criticise the "regime."

Jim, tell us why you are making all these accusations against Ruth Smeeth.

Then tell us why you can not support any of them with a single verifiable fact.

It looks a lot like prejudice Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:09 AM

"The "regime" has not done that.
Yes it has Keith and you were given proof of that - from Haaretz and from Jews throughot the world
You lied - you lied about lying - now you are denying facts
"Israel has announced a $26 million investment in an anti-BDS campaign. Accusing its non-Jewish critics of anti-Semitism and its Jewish critics of being "self-hating Jews" is a central element of this campaign."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:10 AM

Wadsworth is a long-time campaigner against racism and all forms of discrimination. When he made his remarks HE DID NOT KNOW THAT SHE WAS A JEW.

You don't believe him, do you, Keith? You cherrypick who to believe in Labour, don't you, Keith? How many times now have you supported the "whole of the NEC" when they've supposedly expressed how appalled they are at the antisemitic this, that and the other? Do you know who is on the "whole of the NEC," Keith? Why, there are a good few people on there who you wouldn't personally trust to tell you the time, yet, when you glean that they're allegedly saying things that suit your warped agenda, they're almost saintly in their honesty and truthfulness! And if you REALLY can't see that Bibi's singling out of the largest non-Jewish section of the Israeli people as a demographic problem is blatant racism, then I'm afraid you clearly haven't a clue as to the meaning of the word. Well, we know that anyway, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:32 AM

"A July 9 story in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that Netanyahu used the epithet "self-hating Jews" to describe Axelrod and Emanuel, who are viewed by the Israeli government as the driving force behind Obama's push to pressure Israel to freeze settlement activity. Only when the quote was picked up by American newspapers did Netanyahu's spokesman, Mark Regev, issue a statement denying that the prime minister had used that term"
http://www.wrmea.org/2009-november/israel-and-judaism-attempts-to-silence-critics-of-israeli-policies-as-self-hating-jews-a-failing-strategy.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:55 AM

I gave up on Mudcat three years ago because of juvenile flaming threads such as this one, especially when I found myself being drawn in and upsetting folks too (Sorry Dick). I was hoping that maybe things have improved.

Oh well. I suppose it just means ignoring certain contributors. Life's too short for bickering now.

Can't we play nicely?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 09:25 AM

Yet oddly, Uncle, according to your posting record you rarely, if ever, went below the line as a participant (very sane of you!) Well I suppose you get the odd flame war "up there" as well, but Shirley not enough to get you to quit...😒

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 09:35 AM

Steve, I said that the Party did not believe Wadsworth's protestations and denials. That is why they suspended him.

I do not know the whole of the NEC.
"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. "
That was a quote from a report on an NEC meeting.
"The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue " was another from the same report.
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Jim, tell us why you are making all these accusations against Ruth Smeeth.

Then tell us why you can not support any of them with a single verifiable fact.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 09:43 AM

Jim, your first quote is of two journalists in the Irish Times.
Your second is from WRMA. Hardly reliable sources.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Uncle Tone
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 10:27 AM

From Steve: Yet oddly, Uncle, according to your posting record you rarely, if ever, went below the line as a participant (very sane of you!) Well I suppose you get the odd flame war "up there" as well, but Shirley not enough to get you to quit...😒

I confess to giving our Dick Miles a rough time, I think in response to what I saw then as a bit of pomposity, but we have since met eye-to- steely-eye, shaken hands and put it behind us.

Well, I have any road up.

Been busy elsewhere though.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:00 AM

Jewish British MP under police protection following anti-Semitic death threat

September 6, 2016

(JTA) – A Jewish member of the British Parliament was put under police protection following an anti-Semitic death threat on Facebook.

The message from July repeatedly called Ruth Smeeth a "Yid" and said "the gallows would be a fine and fitting place" for the Labour Party MP to "swing from," the Jewish Chronicle reported last week. It also expressed strong support for Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who is in an election battle to remain in his post.

Smeeth, 37, told the British media that she holds Corbyn personally responsible for the actions of his supporters.

"I expect Jeremy to show true leadership, which means calling out individuals at times by name to say what they are doing it is unacceptable," she told the British Sun newspaper last week. "He must stand up and say enough is enough, and he has done nowhere near enough yet."

Smeeth, who represents a district in Stoke-on-Trent, the largest city in western England's Staffordshire County, reportedly has received 25,000 abusive or anti-Semitic posts. She had panic buttons and CCTV surveillance cameras installed in her home, the Chronicle reported.

Corbyn, who has called Hezbollah and Hamas "friends," has been accused of fostering an atmosphere of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

According to the BBC, the threat to Smeeth was issued soon after she fled the launch of Labour's report into anti-Semitism in tears after being accused by an activist of colluding with the right-wing press.

JTA

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:01 AM

" juvenile flaming threads such as this one"
Uncle Tone
Apologies - won't happen again with this feller - not worth it
Welcome back
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:02 AM

British lawmaker who shared anti-Semitic Facebook posts under police investigation

(JTA) — A British lawmaker who was suspended from the Labour party for anti-Semitic comments posted on social media is being investigated by police.

Naz Shah, who was readmitted to the party in July, could be charged with inciting religious hatred, an offense punishable by up to seven years in prison, the Daily Mail reported Monday.

Shah, 42, one of nine Muslims in Parliament, was suspended in May for sharing a post on Facebook suggesting Israel's Jews should be relocated to the US and tweeting the hashtag "#IsraelApartheid" and a quote saying, "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." Another post called on her friends to back a poll criticizing Israel.

The posts had appeared in early August, 2014, during the Gaza war between Israel and Hamas. She later apologized for the posts.

She was one of at least 20 Labour figures who had been either suspended or kicked out of the party this spring amid intense public scrutiny over the proliferation of anti-Semitic and vitriolic anti-Israel rhetoric after the 2014 election of Jeremy Corbyn to lead the party.

The West Yorkshire Police opened an investigation into the social media posts after receiving several complaints, the Mail reported. The investigation reportedly is in its final stages. The full investigation file will be handed over to the Crown Prosecution Service within days, according to the newspaper.

A spokesman for the British non-profit organization, Campaign Against Antisemtism, told the Mail that the Labour Party still has not come to grips with the problem of anti-Semitism in the party ranks.

"If it is true that there is an ongoing police investigation into anti-Semitic hate crime allegedly committed by Naz Shah, and Labour was aware of it but decided to end her suspension before the police investigation had concluded, then this is yet further evidence of the Party's abject failure to grasp its anti-Semitism problem," he said.

JTA

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 12:02 PM

You need more reliable sources, boobs. She said Israel, not "Israel's Jews." Israel is a country containing Jews, Arabs, Christians and none of the above. And the "Campaign Against Antisemtism" [sic] along with the Chronicle are hardly setups that anyone other than confirmed delusionals would regard as neutral, let's face it. Finally, no sane person in the UK ever resorts to the Daily Mail. You and your sources. Tsk. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 12:48 PM

Steve, are you still denying the antisemitism in Shah's comments, even though they have been recognised by the NEC, the Party leadership, Corbyn and Shah herself?

Whatever definition of antisemitism you are working to is clearly inadequate Steve.
Blatant antisemitism is invisible to you!

Jim, before you go, tell us why you are making all these accusations against Ruth Smeeth.

Then tell us why you can not support any of them with a single verifiable fact.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 12:59 PM

Who said I'm going Keith?
I'm stopping this dialogue with someone who has no concept of truth and self-respect; that's all.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 01:09 PM

Sod off, Keith. You haven't the faintest idea what antisemitism is.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 01:35 PM

Steve, it is you who refuse to recognise antisemitism that is obvious to everyone else.
Everyone else is using definitions very like those of EUMC, which you reject.

Jim, staying or going, tell us why you made all those accusations against Ruth Smeeth.

And, why you can not support any of them with a single verifiable fact?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 01:41 PM

"Sod off, Keith. You haven't the faintest idea what antisemitism is."
Don't feed the troll Steve - Uncle Tone (above) was right
It's ****** up far too may threads
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 02:30 PM

You need more reliable sources....

You need to overcome your anti-Jewish bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 03:01 PM

"You need to overcome your anti-Jewish bigotry."
And you need to learn the difference between the Jewish people and ISRAELI FASCISM
IN MORE DETAIL
AND AGAIN
Jim Carrroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 05:18 PM

Jaysus Jim, don't mention Haaretz to booboo! Dontcha know that they're unreliable Jew-haters that must be cherrypicked! Fer chrissake Jim, play safe with booboo and stick with the neutrals such as the Jewish Chronicle, the Jerusalem Post, the Campaign Against Antisemitism and the Daily Mail! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:12 PM

The damage is incalculable. There is sufficient evidence to suggest that in recent years, Haaretz newspaper has caused more harm to the image of Israel than the combined efforts of our adversaries.

Although he passionately denies being post-Zionist, Amos imposed his radical left-wing ideology onto the newspaper which has now been transformed into a vehicle that provides much of the anti-Israeli sentiment and even anti-Semitic lies and distortions that are a boon to our adversaries.

It is difficult to comprehend the depths to which this once highly regarded newspaper has descended.

The Jerusalem Post

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:00 PM

Yeah, Bubo, them damm Jewish anti-semites are a real pain in the arse, ain't they???

Jesus wept( as it were)

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:47 PM

Last week I wrote critically about Celtic fans responsible for a pro-Palestinian flag display at a match against an Israeli team. I would have been equally critical had Rangers flown Israeli flags during a match against Palestinians.

Apart from anything else, it's atrociously bad manners.

Football is supposed to bring people together, not tear them apart, which is why Uefa bans "gestures, words, objects or any other means to transmit any message of an ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature".

The twitter abuse from Celtic fanatics and Israel-haters was predictably vicious, and there were the usual crazy allegations against Israel from ignoramuses, anti-Zionists and anti-semites.



Bigotry feeds on ignorance when it comes to the hatred of Israel, says Ruth Dudley Edwards

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 16 - 09:19 PM

Ah, bollocks, boobs, aren't free speech and democracy so bloody inconvenient! I bet that, if you lived in Israel, you'd want Harretz banned!

Now remind me. What was that you were quoting from the... DAILY MAIL...?


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 02:24 AM

Steve Shaw - 06 Sep 16 - 12:02 PM

"Finally, no sane person in the UK ever resorts to the Daily Mail."

Pleased that you said that Shaw - Jom does.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 03:09 AM

"Pleased that you said that Shaw - Jom does."
As you never produce anything from any newspaper, journal or book, can we assume you don't (or can't) read any anything?
That's the impression you leave.
I've really got under your skin haven't I?
Hope the sleeping pills manage to get you a decent night's sleep.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 03:58 AM

This was the Mail quote.
"Last night West Yorkshire Police said an 'investigation is ongoing', the first time it has confirmed the MP (Naz Shah)is under suspicion."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3773718/Police-probe-MP-Naz-Shah-online-anti-Israel-rant-Labour-let-in.html#ixzz4JYQBkFDR
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Whatever your opinion of the paper, that is not something they could get away with making up.
The quote is genuine, and other papers have run it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 04:24 AM

"Sod off, Keith. You haven't the faintest idea what antisemitism is."

I have not accused anyone of it.
I have just reported Labour's denunciations of it.
You two just deny it all.

E.g. Shah, whose antisemitism was recognised by the NEC, the Party leadership, Corbyn and Shah herself, but denied by you two.

It is clearly you who haven't the faintest idea what antisemitism is, and are incapable of recognising blatant examples that are obvious to everyone else!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 05:07 AM

If the SINGLE Labour MP to be officially investigated for promoting race hatred so far, is found guilty, she should be punished under the law, as should any individual in Britain - including foreign ministers who use terms like "piccaninnies" and editors who publish articles suggesting that that black people have lower IQs, or describing Papua Ne Guinesns as "cannibals"..........
So far, there has been one case which MIGHT be found to take further.
Let's see what happens when the Tories embark on their investigation into Islamophobia in their party - that we should all live that long!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 05:33 AM

"I have not accused anyone of it" (Anti-semitism) Oh yes you have professor. Me for one.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 05:37 AM

"It is clearly you who haven't the faintest idea what antisemitism"
By Archibald Ramsey from the Red Book, written long after the Nazis had embarked on the persecution of the Jewish People. - compared, by you to the theme song from 'Dad's Army'

Onward, conscript army…you have naught to fear.
Isaac Hore-Belisha …will lead you from the rear.
Clad by Monty Burton [Jewish clothes- and uniform maker],…
fed on Lyons' pies [Jewish restaurant and tea shop chain];
Fight for Yiddish conquests …while the Briton dies.
Onward, conscript army, marching on to war.
Fight and die for Jewry… as we did before.

You must die for Poland…pay your debt of thanks
All your benefactors…international banks.
So place against the Germans…beneath the Jewish star
Onward toward the shambles…Goy cattle that you are!
"Poor, persecuted Jewry"…will finance war again.
Forward for the slaughter… for the Hebrews' gain.

Driven toward the shambles…like a flock of sheep
By lying propaganda…by their plans laid deep.
So for Israel Moses Sieff…you must fight and die
That Marks & Spencer's [department store] neon sign…
May still light up our sky.
Forward, on to Poland…10 million men shall fall,
That Judah's reign of terror…May hold us all in thrall.

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 12:57 PM
Silly songs don't count, or I could post "Who Do You
Think You Are Kidding Mr Hitler" as proof to the contrary!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 05:54 AM

Rag,
"I have not accused anyone of it" (Anti-semitism) Oh yes you have professor. Me for one.

I have not Rag. Produce the quote in full please.

Jim,
The Party should not have reinstated Shah if she was still being investigated by the police.

And Jim, please explain why you have joined in the online persecution of Ruth Smeeth by posting the same baseless accusations here.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 06:09 AM

"The Party should not have reinstated Shah if she was still being investigated by the police."
The announcement that she was being investigated was announced 2 days ago
"Ruth Smeeth by posting the same baseless accusations here.
Ruth Smeeth attended the conference where Netunyahu racially attacked the Palestinian people and supported that statement- not as the daughter of Israelis but as a British Politician.
You have accused several people, including me, of Antisemitism for criticing Israel
Your concern is defending Israeli terrorism, your attitude to the Jewish People is doing the hunting.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 06:10 AM

I'm busy making cheese, look back through your own posts professor.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 06:15 AM

Jim,
Ruth Smeeth attended the conference where Netunyahu racially attacked the Palestinian people

Please quote him racially attacking anyone.

and supported that statement-

Did she? You have provided nothing to support that claim, and there was no racial attack to support anyway.

You have accused several people, including me, of Antisemitism for criticing Israel

Completely untrue.

Rag,
I'm busy making cheese, look back through your own posts professor.

I have.
You are wrong as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 06:52 AM

"Please quote him racially attacking anyone."
Have done Keith - the fact that your racism excludes that expounded by Israei statesmen is your problem.
"Did she? "
Yes - but the fact that she was a delegate at shoulch a high-powered conference establishes her credentials as a pro Israel nodding dog.
"Completely untrue. "
Yes you have and have been provided with the examples several times
I re-entered one argument when you accused people here of being "racist" - by providing examples of your own.
I assume you're not going to respond to this piece of antisemitism of your own - goood an excuse for reminding you of it
"From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 12:57 PM
Silly songs don't count, or I could post "Who Do You
Think You Are Kidding Mr Hitler" as proof to the contrary!"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 07:20 AM

From the professor;

"Such double standard are themselves antisemitic Rag. We are entitled to an explanation"

So you accuse me, with no evidence, of being anti-Semitic and then you lie about accusing me. Par for the course really, lies and deceit.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 10:18 AM

Jim, there is no racism in the piece I linked to and you pasted.
It is a factual discourse on demographic projections which all countries do.

YOU HAVE STILL PRODUCED NOTHING TO SHOW THAT SHE AGREED WITH ANYTHING HE SAID!!!!

Yes - but the fact that she was a delegate at shoulch a high-powered conference establishes her credentials as a pro Israel nodding dog.

No it does not.

"Completely untrue. "
Yes you have and have been provided with the examples several times

Completely untrue. Not once Jim.

Rag,
"Such double standard are themselves antisemitic Rag. We are entitled to an explanation"

Such double standards are antisemitic, and I suggested you explain why you were making them.
You declined, but I still did not accuse you of being antisemitic.