BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 16 - 03:52 AM

"They said it was a "serious issue.""
A major Party being accused of Antisemitism is a serious issue - there is no indication whatever that those accusations have any foundation and only two pro-Israeli extremists have suggested that (surprise- surprise)
"I did not say "major problem" so you made that up."
You have suggested that people within the Labour Party, including "many labour party members" have - you made it up
Making up such things is tantamount to saying there is a major problem - you lied and you lied when you claimed to have put it up - you are now serially lying to prove there is a serious problem within the Labour Party - otherwise, why would you be behaving the way you are?
"Sadiq Khan and the entire NEC!"
See what I mean
Both have not suggested there is a serious problem with Antisemitism - Sadiq himself has been accused of Antisemitism too.
They have addressed the fact that the Labour Party is under attack, Sadiq has questioned how that attack is being handled, what enquiries that have been held have absolved the Labour Party and no accusation can possibly be made until the matter has been gone into fully - except by you, it seems, tat appears to be the way you work.
As I said, the Conservative Party is the traditional home of British Antisemitism and it would take a complete groundshift to alter that position.
The term 'Antisemitism' has been rendered totally meaningless by the Israeli policy of hiding behind it to defend its own State terrorist activities.
Claims are now coming from Israel that any criticism of Israeli policy is automatically Antisemitic - why do you refuse to address that fact (rhetorical question - I know why)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 16 - 04:26 AM

Well, Keith, I'm a patient man. Apart from the blatant Wheatcroft misquote, which you want me to stop mentioning (simple way of achieving that: admit it. Even Teribus knows you made a mistake, though "honest mistake" could be pushing it a bit), you misrepresented Jackie Butler by leaving inconvenient bits out of the quote (a misquote, in other words) and you misrepresented me by trying to bracket me with people who are ardently pro-Israel. It's all silly, avoidable behaviour that never helps your case and, worst of all, you never, ever backtrack. Pig-headedness, mindless stubbornness and hubris can't see you through. Very sad.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jun 16 - 08:17 AM

Keith - not nasty... just over robust sarcasm, which I accept now in the cold light of day as maybe going a little too far... apologies..

But it was born out of exasperation and boredom with your constantly repetitive style of [non] debate...

In my life I honestly have encountered a few individuals with similar obsessive mindsets of denial as yours,
nearly all when involved in voluntary work in my late teens & 20s.

That bloke I mentioned was real and truly sad.
He was very intelligent and educated, well presented in his business suit;
but since his personal misfortunes, something had snapped in his mind.
Sitting there all day in the drop in centre, forlornly clutching his briefcase,
awaiting the next unsuspecting new listener to sit next to him.
Repeating the exact same word for word story over and over.....
and laying out the contents of his briefcase,
documents that 'proved' he was right and not to be blamed.......

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 05:32 AM

Jim,
there is no indication whatever that those accusations have any foundation

Yes there is.
"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. "
" The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries."
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Steve, I have debunked you Wheatcroft claims many times and am happy to keep doing it.
I quoted him accurately and in full.

you misrepresented Jackie Butler by leaving inconvenient bits out of the quote (a misquote, in other words)

Not true.
I referred to the BBC report on her reinstatement, and quoted their first 3 sentences in full.

Jackie Walker's suspension was lifted following an investigation, the party said.
The Kent activist and vice chair of the Momentum movement wrote about "the African holocaust" and Jews as "chief financiers of the slave trade".
Here is the rest of the piece.
I did not leave out any of her contentious remarks.
Your claim is false.


She said the past few weeks had been "a living nightmare".
Ms Walker said: "I am glad this investigation has fully cleared me of any wrongdoing.
"I am not a racist, but I robustly defend my right and the right of others to speak openly and frankly about matters of grave political and historical importance."

It is not true that I "misrepresented Jackie Butler by leaving inconvenient bits out of the quote "

That is all the BBC piece had about it.
I quoted them in full.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36405130

Anything else Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 06:43 AM

Already addressed to death in this very thread, all of it. Try not to waste our time, though do feel free to waste your energy. Anyway, I thought you were giving us a rest for a few days. Just think, Keith, if you'd stuck to that this angst-ridden thread, yet another that has shredded your credibility, would have sunk quietly below the cutoff line, never to be seen again.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 07:38 AM

""The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. ""
There have been a couple of reported cases - no more - they are, ot course appalling as are any such examples of racist or cultural abuse, but that is no reason so suggest it is widespread or in any way a serious problem - there is no indication that there is any more than there is serious Islamophobia in the Conservative Party because an enquiry is being held there - or are you suggesting that the same applies to the Tories?
You have deliberately made yourself part of the Israeli propaganda campaign and you have lied in an attempt to show there is a serious problem - you have even lied n claimng you have given links where you haven't - _ summed up your links - two serious accusations by two people linked directly to Israeli propaganda.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 10:12 AM

Sorry Steve.
I was unwell and had to cut my visit short.

I have only ever said that some Labourites accuse others of antisemitism.
It is your denials that have kept this thread going long after it dropped out of the news.
I have just repeated my original contention, as Pfr acknowledges and castigates me for.

Already addressed to death in this very thread, all of it.

The only example you can produce is that BBC one where I quoted the relevant three sentences in full.
Your claim is a lie.
If you are not lying, produce some of the actual misquoted you claim.
Good luck with that!

Jim,
There have been a couple of reported cases

At least four, and many that were not reported. Some 50 people were suspended.

- they are, ot course appalling as are any such examples of racist or cultural abuse,

That is all I have ever claimed!

but that is no reason so suggest it is widespread

I have not, but there have been a number of cases.

or in any way a serious problem.

The Labour Party NEC said that it "recognises the seriousness of this issue " so the fact that you and Steve do not hardly matters!!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 10:33 AM

Er, that last bit is yet another misrepresentation. Well done, Keith. I've said in this thread that the issue is a serious one and should be properly addressed and that I agree with what the party is doing about it. All here in the thread. You have this seemingly irresistible urge to do Aunt Sallys.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 10:40 AM

Which is not to imply that I think there is a serious problem. There isn't. But there is an issue to address. And that Labour is addressing it far better than any other organisation I can think of.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 10:48 AM

Steve,
Er, that last bit is yet another misrepresentation.

I can prove that claim is as false as all the others.
Here is the whole passage

"Anti-Semitism inquiry
Jeremy Corbyn then introduced Baroness Jan Royall, who has conducted two recent investigations into specific allegations of anti-Semitism, and Shami Chakrabarti, who will be chairing a wider ranging inquiry looking at anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries. You can read the executive summaries and recommendations of Baroness Royall's reports online at http://press.labour.org.uk/post/144505485689/baroness-royall-inquiry."
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 10:50 AM

The "entire" Labour Party NEC said that it "recognises the seriousness of this issue " so the fact that you and Jim do not hardly matters!!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 11:07 AM

"At least four, and many that were not reported. Some 50 people were suspended."
Out of how many Labour Party Members - 400,000 on the last count and steadily rising - now 4 really is a serious problem, don't you think?
I could probably list you at least a dozen Conservatives from personal experience and that's without thinking.
What are you on?
"At least four, and many that were not reported"
If they were not reported - you know about them how exactly - what have I told you about hacking
Your attempts to create 'facts' is becoming as legendary as your 'historians'
How many of those fifty have actually been found guilty of anything - none, I think - doesn't stop this good ol redneck from slinging the rope over the branch
Does any of this have any foundation in reality or are they among all the the 'links you claim to have provided?
I suggest that the vast majority if not all of these can be traced back to criticism of Israel and extreme Zionism and attacks on the Jewish Peoiple don't feature in any of this garbage.
"but there have been a number of cases."
Surely you meaqn "number of accusations" or are actual proven cases something you have hacked into in the small hours?
"recognises the seriousness of this issue "
When are you going to stop this - if a major political party is accused of Antisemitism is is a serious issue - a million miles away from there being a major or any sort of problem with Antisemitism.
Your spite is overwhelming - on this as well as other subjects.
What was it Drippipe Thynne used to say, "you silly twisted boy".
Now , any progress on the "many labour party members" front yet - no?
Thought not.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 12:01 PM

Heh, heh, you're wiping the floor with them Keith, that's why they're being so petulant........keep up the good fight.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 12:35 PM

You've proved nothing, Keith. Your last post didn't actually address anything I've said. Mysterious. And which one of you said that, BoGuestbad?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 12:46 PM

The "entire" Labour Party NEC said that it "recognises the seriousness of this issue " so the fact that Steve and Jim do not hardly matters!!

It just shows that you are in denial of the truth.


My case is that Labour people have accused other Labour people of antisemitism, backed it with quotes, and have not misquoted anyone.
Steve can not produce an example of a misquote because he lied.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 01:18 PM

bobad - what you just posted kinda reminds me of a General Custer's last few moments trying to keep up troop moral... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 01:23 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 01:45 PM

ok.. bangers and spuds are now in the oven.. got a few spare minutes...

Military History pedants .. yes I actually know that wasn't his exact rank at death..

But I typed that quick whilst chuckling too hard at bob's post...
- at least I didn't call him General Custard, as fondly remembered from childhood cowboys and indians games... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 16 - 02:28 PM

"The "entire" Labour Party NEC said that it "recognises the seriousness of this issue "
And Jim and Steve recognise that when a major Party is accused of Antisemitism it is a serious issue.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 04:21 AM

When a major party ACCUSES ITSELF of antisemitism, it is a serious issue.
Hence the question, "Whither the Labour Party."

pfr, again nothing on the issues, just a personal attack on Bobad.
Have you anything of substance to say?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 04:30 AM

"When a major party ACCUSES ITSELF of antisemitism, it is a serious issue."
Where has the Labour Party accused itself of Antisemitism and how could any party do such a thing without producing the evidence - you have produced none.
Rather, you have relied on unrepresentative quotes, distorted descriptions of attitudes, Israeli generated propaganda and downright lying in making claims that have been proven to to be true.
Nothing new under the sun eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 04:32 AM

Bobad is a hate-filled Antisemitic fanatic and deserves all the attacking due to him and his kind
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 04:38 AM

Bobad is a hate-filled Antisemitic fanatic and deserves all the attacking due to him and his kind

Saying things like that should be an expulsion issue Jim.

Where has the Labour Party accused itself of Antisemitism and how could any party do such a thing without producing the evidence - you have produced none.
Rather, you have relied on unrepresentative quotes...

Labour List is not "unrepresentative" and it reported theat the "entire NEC "recognises the seriousness of this issue."

The former elected leader of Scottish Labour is not unrepresentative.
Sadiq Khan is not unrepresentative.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 05:52 AM

"Saying things like that should be an expulsion issue Jim."
Calling people "Antisemitics" as many times as Bobad does should be an issue as far as I'm concerned, as should calling people a "liar as many times as you do.
If the behaviour of both of you in this respect isn't breaching the rules of this forum, it should be.
"recognises the seriousness of this issue."
Your dementia is showing again Keith - being accused of Antisemitism is a serious issue, being guilty of it is a different matter altogether.
We've dealt with the Labour open supporter of the Israeli propaganda campaign and the Mayor of London at least half-a-dozen times - you repeating it as often as you do is now becoming embarrassing.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 06:13 AM

You should be ashamed of yourself, coming to the defence of bobad. From behind a wall of cowardly anonymity, whilst retaining his bobad option, he called us a worse name than antisemite. He called us Jew-haters, whilst hypocritically bleating that he needed his anonymity so that the rest of us would attack the issue, not the man. Well done for showing us your true colours, Keith. Now let's see you calling for HIS expulsion for taking a secret double identity in order to attack perfectly fair-minded people.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 08:31 AM

So much obsessive hatred, what a burden it must be.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 08:36 AM

I don't hate you. In fact, if I thought you were old enough, I'd let you buy me a pint.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 09:08 AM

"So much obsessive hatred, what a burden it must be."
Couldn't agree more
You have habitually referred to every criticism of Israeli policy as "Antisemitic", no matter what it was.
This is right in line with the inappropriatly appointed Israel's justice minister, Ayelet Shaked's statement, now being debated seriously in the Jerusalem Post.
Nobody here has ever accused 'The Jews' of anything, other than you - you are the main Antisemite here (a close runner-up being Keith, who only occasionally makes the accusation when he paints himself into a corner, as he invariably does.   
If oyu have any example of any of us accusing the Jewish People of anything, feel free to point it out.
Apparently, after having clamped down (quite rightly in some cases) on bad behaviour on this thread, hate-mail such as yours manages to slip under the wire each time - A similar tolerance is shown to those who choose to attack Irish people.
As much as I admire and enjoy this forum, I'm at a loss to understand why such behaviour as yors and Keith's is tolerated.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 09:53 AM

Both your obsessive fixations on the individual rather than the topic of the thread exemplifies perfectly why some choose to post anonymously when that option is available to them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 10:17 AM

"pfr, again nothing on the issues, .... Have you anything of substance to say?"

Keith - You seem to have a very short selective memory - I had much of value to contribute to this 'debate',
but as always, inevitably got exasperated and bored trying to reason with thick brick walled defensively fortified fortress Keith..

As for Bob... I'm becoming more convinced he is using a software autobot
programmed with key words and phrases to randomly generate his posts to this thread... 🙄


Though gotta admire you and bob's desperate optimism in the face of certain defeat...

But if I was a hapless low rank soldier under your battlefield command, I'd be shitting bricks and praying the wife got my last letter home... 😨

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 10:45 AM

No contribution to the discussion again Pfr.
Just personal stuff, as from Jim and Steve.

What I complained of from Jim, and suggested that it merited expulsion, was his advocating of personal attacks on another member.

Sunday Times today,

"A black rights activist linked to the left-wing group Momentum has been suspended from the Labour Party over remarks drawing parallels between Zionism and the Nazis.

Marlene Ellis, the acting general secretary of Momentum Black ConneXions, a group of Jeremy Corbyn's supporters promoting black rights, signed a letter criticising Labour for suspending Ken Livingstone.

The action against the former mayor of London was taken pending an investigation after he claimed that Hitler had once supported Zionism and that antisemitism was not exactly the same as racism. He has denied antisemitism."
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-activist-suspended-for-antisemitism-9rf7t3d5s

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 11:02 AM

Keith - what's more personal than you constantly attacking and maliciously maligning the one political party
that genuinely defends the well being of my old mum, my wife, and myself...!!!???

Tell me that then mr [w]easily offended self righteous pompous pants... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 11:18 AM

"Both your obsessive fixations on the individual rather than the topic of the thread exemplifies perfectly why some choose to post anonymously when that option is available to them."
You use your anonymity in order to freely and excessively replace argument with gutter-level abuse and in doing so, yo have no right whatever to complain when others return your behaviour in kind.
Your use of anonymity is a form of cowardice - you would never dare to behave the way you do from behind the safety of your keyboard as you would face-to face - I know damn well if you behaved the way you do in person to some of the people I've met you'd be sent home with your teeth in your pocket.
Perhaps it might help if you pretended we were arguing over a pint - that would slow your gallop somewhat.
You automatically react to arguments you can't handle with a scream of "Antisemitism"
Keith has been a bit more inventive and has gone through a small repertoire of tricks
He used to hide behind unacceptable arguments by claiming he only said them because somebody else did.
Then he discovered the "historian" gambit by selecting right -sounding scoops from the net and presenting them as gospel from "eminent" historians *who he'd never heard of five minutes earlier and certainly never read.
Of late he's taken to making statements, denying he ever made them, then, when proved he has, goes on to defend them as strongly as he was before he "never said them".
The latest thing is to make statements and, when asked for substantiation, go silent for a few posts and repeat them all over again - as often as he sees fit - which is exactly what he is doing here.
Teribus just acts like a bully, talks down to people most of the time and makes pronouncements he never feels the need to season with proof, expecting what he has said tio be accepted without question.   
This is a great forum, or could be if it wasn't for people who behave like you trio.
I believe that collectively, this forum has enough collective knowledge to build cities if it was used to exchange ideas rather than score points.
With you lot, winning seems to be more important that finding the truth or at least, to come to some mutual conclusion.
Ths makes discussion in which you are involved both unfruitful and unpleasant.
You really need to look to your own behaviour before you start pointing fingers.
I heve no problem with healthy robust argument - I much prefer it to anodyne agreement, but you lot have become beyind the pale.
If you refer to me as an "Antisemite" one more time I shall move heaven and earth to have you removed from this thread - that goes for Keith as well - I can come with the bully - I got used to it in primary school.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 11:30 AM

And what's more personal, Keith, than the friend you defend calling me a Jew hater?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 01:14 PM

Pfr,
Keith - what's more personal than you constantly attacking and maliciously maligning the one political party
that genuinely defends the well being of my old mum, my wife, and myself...!!!???

I have not done that, and if I had criticised a political party, that would not be a personal attack on anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 01:20 PM

Well looky here, he who calls others Islamophobes and denigrates the religious beliefs of others is whining about being called out as a Jew hater. Can't you just smell the hypocrisy?

Those who complain the most of being judged tend to be the most judgemental of others.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 01:43 PM

Those who complain the most of being judged tend to be the most judgemental of others.

As you should know, PeepBo, since you & your proxy identity are one of those greatest complainers of all time. Jerk.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 01:53 PM

Keith - Sun's out, oven fish 'n' chips are cookin'... life's too short for petty squabbles with indefatigable blinkered pedants...

"I have not done that, and if I had criticised a political party, that would not be a personal attack on anyone."

..that really show's how limited your understanding is of the reality of labour party politics..

The party is it's people...!!!

It's not just an abstract academic conceptual construct to be debated and demolished in isolation;
in a sterile vacuum, inhabited by highfaluting geriatric armchair keyboard warriors...

'You' attack without good justification, ordinary decent people will defend and if necessary, counter attack...

Bullies should not ne so surprised or feign outrage when that happens... 😣


Btw.. I don't actually know your age, but intelligent politically aware people of my generation grew up
with the concepts loosely gathered under the 'slogan'

"The personal is political".....

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 02:19 PM

I cab be awfully judgemental of forum cheats, especially when I'm always unfailing open about who I am. I feel sorry for Keith, bobad, because he has some kind of mental aberration that prevents him from being truthful and objective. But you're not the same. You're just a cheat.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 02:25 PM

Somebody call a cab.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 02:28 PM

""A black rights activist linked to the left-wing group Momentum has been suspended from the Labour Party over remarks drawing parallels between Zionism and the Nazis."
Well done him/her it's about time someone stood up to be counted..
Will all those Jews who have said and are still saying exactly the same thing be expelled from Israel, d'you think?
Thanks to Israeli propaganda manipulation there no longer exists a clear definition of Antisemitism so comparing Israeli behaviour to the Nazis is now acceptable, especially as that is exactly how they are behaving - that part of the definion no longer applies – if the Israelis decide without consultation, that any critisicm of Israeli policy is Antisemitic then the rest of us can just as arbitrarily decide that we will compare that polict to the Nazis, especially as exactly the same thing has been said by Holocaust survivors, Israeli Generals and former heads of Mossad – and was being suggested as far back as the 1940s by Einstein and his fellow intellectuals.
You can't pick the bits of a definition that just suit you and ignore the ones that don't.
I believe you have described critics of Israel "Antisemitic" - Bobad certainly has.
That makes you by definition Anti-Semitic.
"Those who complain the most of being judged tend to be the most judgemental of others."
Don't you just?
Keith is a fully exposed (though not admitted) Islamophobe - I'm sure nobody needs the quote any more!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 03:03 PM

Didn't finish
Bobad
You are an Islamophobe too - you once put up one of the largest attacks on the Muslim religion I have ever come across - hundreds of claimed examples of Islamic terrorism dating back to Biblical Times as proof that Islam was a terrorist religion - you lifted them all from the extremist site 'Muslim Watch.
Keith supported your selections unquestioningly, demanding that we disprove them, even though most of them were untraceable.
Paint that whatever colour you like, that's Islamophobia - and both of you were guilty of it.
If you can describe us as Antisemitic so we can describe you as Islamophobic
The only difference is that we have the proof, you do not.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 03:59 PM

Jim Carroll you are an apologist for Islamist terrorism, that explains your anti-semitism.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 05:14 PM

You have nothing to say, forum cheater, so why not put a sock in it.

I've never made an antisemitic remark in my life. For thirteen years of my teaching career I worked in rough schools in east London. Not once did I ever allow a racist remark in my classroom to pass. I'm quite proud of that, actually. I have a really simple definition of antisemitism that I stick to. You're an antisemite if you attack Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS. A remark that does not match that simple criterion cannot be antisemitic. I'm perfectly aware that remarks that don't directly attack Jews, but which are intended to disadvantage them in more subtle ways, can also be antisemitic. My antennae are tuned. I don't give a stuff what Israeli politicians say or whst pro-Israel lobbyists say. I don't give a stuff what discredited criteria, never adopted by the EU, say. I've fought racism all my life and I know what antisemitism is. I don't need some snivelling little forum-cheating gobshite and his Hertford henchman to tell me, thank you very much. Too many bloody miles on the clock.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 06:02 PM

Hey, where's BeardedBS when ya need him? Lets get all the clowns together - unfair to expect PooBah to carry the load all by himself!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 06:34 PM

Hey, where's BeardedBS when ya need him?

Jews have learned from history that some company is best avoided.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 16 - 06:49 PM

Really? As with whites in apartheid South Africa, and whites in segregationalist America, learning that negro company is best avoided? Jim says you're antisemitic. You're now calling Jews racist. You're antisemitic, bobad!

Actually, it's far more probable that you're just a crazy, mixed-up bloke. Who also happens to be a cheat, lest I forget.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jun 16 - 04:18 AM

Nothing but personal attack from you people now.
I have dementia, I am an Islamophobe, I have a " mental aberration" that prevents me being truthful, though no untruth has been or can be produced.

Of course you only resort to such abuse because you have no case.

You claim that it is not a serious issue for the party, but "the entire NEC" of the party say it is.
So you lose.

You attack me for saying that Labour people accuse other Labour people of it, but it is shown to be a fact.
So you lose.

All you can do is make up shit about me.

And Pfr tries to make the case that political parties should never be criticised because it might offend their supporters!
You lose that one straight away, silly.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jun 16 - 05:31 AM

Say goodnight to the folks, Gracie...

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jun 16 - 06:29 AM

"Nothing but personal attack from you people now."
Hardly nothing - but have you ever considered that you might actually deserve the personal attacks
I've just withdrawn from a thread in which you and your mate hqave launcced personal attacks on my friends, family my neighbours and in fact the vast majority of the occupants of this island by representing them as "brainwashed" ignorant, gullible, and misled by propaganda.
I've just been describes as an apologist for Islamist terrorism and an anti-Semite (again) by the feller you are defending - you have made similar accusations in the past.
Have you ever considered that you might actually deserve the personal attacks.
I will attempt to have Bobad's vitriolic and sladerous posting removed and will arasei the question of his membership of this forum.
If you ever do the same again, I will respond in exactly the same way.
You are a pair of extremists who have no place in decent company.
People here are responding to what you say and how you behave not who you are.
Jim Carroll