BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:21 AM

You have completely misrepresented Alice Perry's report. You must think we're all so bloody stupid that we'll accept the word of Keith and not check the facts for ourselves. Well, Keith, we can read. The snippet you quoted above is completely out of context and you should be ashamed of yourself. You see, Keith, your reputation regarding this kind of shabby behaviour is such that you are always going to be checked up on.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:32 AM

Good work Keith, the apologists are drowning in the evidence and becoming more and more desperate in their denial even as their party is coming clean.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:48 AM

You have already cited these two cases professors, more than once I think.

Do you have anything else or are you struggling.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:04 AM

I'll say he's struggling. Wallowing in a mire of his own making of the obsessive need to blacken the Labour Party. Of course, misrepresentation and downright dishonesty, as ever, are the main weapons in his armoury. Still, with fiends like bobad, who needs enemas?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:20 AM

Bobad
No answer
re you claiming that all criticism of Israel is Antisemitic?
Don't expect an answer to this one either
"BBC 18 July,"
What's your point in putting the same quotes up over and over again
Where is your evidence of a serious problem recognised by "a large number of Labour Party members?"
Don't expect an answer to this one either
A matcehd pair of Trolls
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:46 AM

Rag,
You have already cited these two cases professors, more than once I think.

Yes, but some of you appeared to have forgotten them.
I did not quote out of context then or now Steve.
What a silly accusation Steve. So easy to refute by just linking to the article itself.
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/
Sorry Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:56 AM

A two month old article that has already been discussed at length.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:06 AM

A two month old article that has been quoted by me and ignored by all of you.
Never "discussed at length."
Not by any of you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:08 AM

The article was generally a constructive and harmonious piece of narrative which affirmed the party's robust position against discrimination. Keith plucked tiny bits out of it with the clear intention of communicating a sense of crisis which was completely absent from the article. It's what creationists and Jehovah's Witnesses do with the Bible. Like those people, Keith hopes we'll accept his spin and not bother to check. Same as he did in the Wheatcroft fiasco. Well he has another think coming.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:46 AM

"Never "discussed at length.""
Perhaps we believe it is of no significance
It has been put into context (far more important than a hastily grabbed cut 'n-paste) of what is happening in Britain which ahs been ignored by you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:46 PM

Back then you all said that antisemitism was not a serious issue for Labour, and that I was making it all up.

To prove you wrong I quoted, ""The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse." and, "The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue ."

That showed that you were all wrong and I was telling it how it was.
You were in denial, and I had it right.

Naz Shah now admits her antisemitism and ignorance.
You all supported her bile at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:53 PM

"
Back then you all said that antisemitism was not a serious issue for Labour, and that I was making it all up."
You were
""The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse."
Any antisemitism is apalling - the tiny handful of possible cases does not add up to your claim that it was a major problem.
You were not telling it as it was and an enquiry into the matter put the problem where it beloinged.
The truth is, you would have liked there to be a problem - you have yet to endorse the findings of the enquiry
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 01:42 PM

Yes, well let me quote you some other snippets, Keith, to show how snippet-picking can be used (abused in your case) to show polar opposites. From the very same report:

Zero tolerance of anti-Semitism

Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for. Jeremy introduced a new code of conduct for the party, which states:

"The Labour Party is an anti-racist party, committed to combating and campaigning against all forms of racism….Labour will not tolerate racism in any form inside or outside the party….Any behaviour or use of language which targets or intimidates members of ethnic or religious communities or incites racism, including anti-Semitism…or undermines Labour's ability to campaign against any form of racism, is unacceptable".

"...Many members of the NEC have backgrounds in fighting racism and inequality and are proud of Labour's traditional role in promoting equality and showing moral leadership on these issues. The NEC agreed that it is vital that Labour stands up for our values and our history as the party who fights for human rights and equality."

There now! Looks dead good now, doesn't it, Keith? Cor, who'd have believed it came from the same report that you are cherrypicking to smear Labour! Anyone can extract just the bits to suit their prejudices and that is exactly what you did and exactly what you do all the time. Dishonest, disreputable, busted, can't be trusted. That's you through and through.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:05 PM

Jim,
the tiny handful of possible cases does not add up to your claim that it was a major problem.

You are still in denial!
"The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue ."

Steve, as if anyone would defend racism in the party!
Of course they all condemn it and claim to oppose it, but the NEC still said it was a "serious issue" for the party.

That was my case all along.
You denied it.
I was right.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:49 PM

"Steve, as if anyone would defend racism in the party!"

Well why don't you bloody join it then. There was plenty of racism from your beloved Tories and UKIP (Boris, Gove and Nige) in the out campaign - "I'm centre-right" my arse. It was crypto-fascism and xenophobia being invoked...your crowd, Keith, unapologetic. My crowd are not having that stuff in our ranks thank you very much and we don't care if our fight against the very few bad apples goes public. It's called honesty. Look it up. It's a stranger to people like you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 03:11 PM

""The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue .""
And you fail to recognise that any accuasation to any left (ish) political party is a serious issue - the seriousness lies in the accusation not the numbers of people who have been exposed as being Antisemitic -we've been through this
Simple test - how many people in the Labour Party have been discovered to be antisemitism in fact?
5 - 10 - 100 - 1000 -
If so, who are they.
So far, the charges of Antisemitism have been leveled at critics of Israel.
If this is not the case, what form does the Antisemitism take?
You said there is a serious problem - did the NEC cover it up when they decided that there was not a problem?
The two people who claim there is a significant number of party members who are Antisemites are right wing members of an Israeli propaganda organisation.
So:
How many Antisemites
Who are they - have they been expelled?
What exactly does that antisemitism take
Do you believe (alnog with Bobad, The Israeli Justice Minister, and the Israeli propaganda machine, that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
You are twisting words, dealing in half-truths and ignoring the fact that no significant problem was uncovered by the enquiry.
"That was my case all along."
Yoyr case was that there was a serious problem - no problem was found - you were wrong
You know you wwere wrone so you went and looked up something else and cae up with mysogyny
You are a right-wing, atrocity denying fanatic
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 03:20 PM

Spot on, Jim. Straightforward, honest posting from you versus twisted, contorted, agenda-laden spin and smears from Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:24 PM

We've been through this half a dozen times.
If a policeman knowks on my door and says I've been accused of doing away with with my neigbour it's a serious issue - for me, for the policeman, for all concerned.
It will be treated seriously by me, by the authorities, by all concerned and if it is found to be true, action will be taken.
This has been found to have no basis nd the Labour everybody has moved on - that is Keioth's problem - he wanted it to be true and when it was found to be unsubstantiated, he moved on to something else.
It's what he dos.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:02 PM

Yep. A pathetic, obsessive, one-track minded defective personality. His lot have just wreaked ruin on this country for generations via, games, lies and racism and all he can do is nit-pick about a few unguarded remarks from a handful out of half a million Labour members, a handful who have been dealt with in any case. Very sad. Very very sad.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 03:57 AM

Yoyr case was that there was a serious problem - no problem was found - you were wrong

The entire NEC and numerous high profile officials said there was a serious issue with antisemitism in the party.
Against that you denials just make you ridiculous.

Page 1 of the Chakrabarti report,
"there is too much clear evidence (going back some years) of minority hateful or ignorant attitudes and
behaviours festering within a sometimes bitter incivility of discourse. This has no place in a modern
democratic socialist party that puts equality, inclusion and human rights at its heart. Moreover, I have
heard too many Jewish voices express concern that antisemitism has not been taken seriously enough
in the Labour Party and broader Left for some years.
An occasionally toxic atmosphere is in danger of shutting down free speech within the Party rather
than facilitating it, and is understandably utilised by its opponents."

So I was right and you were all wrong.
Now the issues are intimidation, misogyny and homophobia.
Whither the Labour Party?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:29 AM

"So I was right and you were all wrong."
"of MINORITY A minority Keith - not a major problem, as you suggested
Some people really don't understand the difference between right and wrong - usually children
It seems some people don't understand the term MINORITY either
The report also listed a number of measures to deal with that MINORITY
Some time ago, it was recognised that there was a problem of Islamophobia in the Tory Party and demands were made for an enquiry
TORY ISLAMOPHOBIA
The Labour Party were pretty nifty in dealing with the MINORITY problem within their ranks - what's happening with your lot - anything?
Don't you think it should before it becomes a
NATIONWIDE PROBLEM
Lat's here it for the Tory Party's problems - your a great one for speaking up for the accused!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:54 AM

The issue has been dealt with promptly by the Labour Party, that was why the Chakrabati Report was commissioned and published.

It has also been covered on here.

Anything else.

I see Boris Johnson has been rebuked for blaming the Munich Shootings on Islamic Terrorists, the first of many occasions when he engaged mouth without first engaging brain I think.

I've said before I think he's been set up to fail, then Teresa May can get him out of politics altogether. Time alone will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:59 AM

Of course it was a minority Jim, but it was still a serious issue for the party.
not according to me, but according to the entire NEC, numerous senior Labour figures and the Chakrabarti report.
Your denials were proved false.

Some time ago, it was recognised that there was a problem of Islamophobia in the Tory Party and demands were made for an enquiry

No, you just made that up.
There were claims that the London mayoral campaign used Khan's religion against him, but that was strongly disputed.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:02 AM

Rag,

The issue has been dealt with promptly by the Labour Party, that was why the Chakrabati Report was commissioned and published.

Thank you for agreeing that there was an issue.
Chakrabarti,
"....concern that antisemitism has not been taken seriously enough
in the Labour Party and broader Left for some years."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:04 AM

"for some years."
So not that promptly Rag.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:23 AM

The matter has been dealt with to the satisfaction of most people, you being the obvious exception.

Anything new ...................... no thought not.


Next for shaving !!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 05:30 AM

Should we have a peep at racism within the Conservative Party?

Conservative Racism


You may wish to note the question as to whether all these issues have ever been dealt with.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:01 AM

"Of course it was a minority Jim, but it was still a serious issue for the party."
And taken seriously by them
A little different from it being a major problem, as you indicated.
Bigotry or racisim in any form and to any degree is s serious problem to any party aspiring to be Socialist - it is against the whole philosophy of the movement, which is all encompassing and international, by its very nature.
If there had been a problem, as you suggested, it would have been acted on with expulsions and referred to as "significant" - it wasn't, as I have been point out all along and you have been contradicting.
So much for your being "right".
If you read the report, it is largely a matter of language usage (as your cut-'n-paste points out) - not discrimination against any particular racial or cultural group, not active prejudice - sloppy language.
Much of it stems from the rightful opposition to the policy of the Israeli regime.
By describing all opposition to their policy as 'Antisemitic' the Israelis have decided to blame 'The Jews' for their war crimes, human rights abuses and acts of terror.
If the Israeli Justice Minister can openly claim that all criticism to Israeli policy is "antisemitic' it is hardly surprising that people take her word for it and blame The Jews for criminal and inhuman acts by the Israeli regime.
Not too long ago a survey carried out in Britain suggested that one third of the population held and openly expressed racist and bigoted views.
In these circumstances, it is heartening and more than a little surprising that the "problem" of Antisemitism is as insignificant as it actually turned out to be - a very small molehill made into a very large mountain.
I made nothing up - there has always been a claim of Islamophobia in the conservative party, just as Antisemitism has always been the domain of the right, not the left.
You choose to deny it - now why am I not surprised!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:07 AM

Rag,
satisfaction of most people, you being the obvious exception.

Why do you say that?
I am quite satisfied thank you.
I am just arguing with people who claim there was never an issue in the first place.
They were wrong. There was.
I was right all along.

Accusations have often been made against Tories.
I have never challenged or denied any of them, so what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:11 AM

We have been asking the same question of you professor.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:18 AM

Jim,
A little different from it being a major problem, as you indicated.

No. A "serious issue" is "a major problem" though I never said "major problem" anyway.

it would have been acted on with expulsions and referred to as "significant" - it wasn't,

A "serious issue" IS "significant" Jim.

The entire NEC and numerous high profile officials and Chakrabarti said there was a serious issue with antisemitism in the party.
Against that you denials just make you ridiculous.

I made nothing up

Yes you did.
You said,
"Some time ago, it was recognised that there was a problem of Islamophobia in the Tory Party and demands were made for an enquiry"

Entirely made up shit Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:27 AM

More than a claim, Jim - what about Eton Toryboy Zac Goldsmith's disgraceful racist smear campaigning in the London mayoral election? What about the extremely unsubtle appeals to people's lowest racist instincts by the out campaign? Cynical posh Tory Eton boys, along with their crypto-fascist ally Nigel Farage, who got everything wrong and who doomed the country to decades on the sidelines, all passing without comment from Keith (presumably he approves, that's why). Makes the Labour "antisemitism" allegations look like a dropped saucer at a tea party. You and I have both addressed the allegations seriously. Keith utters not a single word of criticism about the far worse outrages on his side whilst hectoring us about careless language from a very few mostly junior members of the Labour Party. I call that extreme hypocrisy. Shades of his refusal ever to criticise the Israeli regime no matter how dreadful their actions. Remember that next time he tells us that he's "centre-right."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 06:45 AM

Keith utters not a single word of criticism about the far worse outrages on his side whilst hectoring us about careless language from a very few mostly junior members of the Labour Party. I call that extreme hypocrisy. Shades of his refusal ever to criticise the Israeli regime no matter how dreadful their actions. Remember that next time he tells us that he's "centre-right."

There is no "his side" for me.
I am centre right.
Israel's "dreadful actions" are disputed.
All those accusations against Tories have already been aired here.
No need for me to repeat them.
Nor did I challenge, deny or defend them.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 07:17 AM

"Israels dreadful actions are disputed" - By Israel

"All those accusations against the Tories have already been aired here, No need for me to repeat them. Nor did I challenge, deny or defend them" - difficult to defend the indefensible.

"I am centre right" - LOL Best quote of the week !!!!

I'll go back to my cricket and have a giggle.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 07:34 AM

No "his side" my arse. Every time we discuss Israel and you refuse to acknowledge even the slightest criticism of the regime, you tell us that you're only putting "Israel's side of the story." You certainly do have sides, Keith. This thread demonstrates that you are single-mindedly and obsessively taking sides against Labour by refusing to listen to the facts given to you and refusing to acknowledge the far greater havoc that the political side you support is wreaking on this country. You're "not taking sides" in the same way that Pontius Pilate didn't "take sides" against Jesus, you clown.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:07 AM

careless language from a very few mostly junior members of the Labour Party.

Except for Corbyn's embrace of Islamist terrorists as friends.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:28 AM

Going to share your figure yet gobad .......... no thought not

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:29 AM

Which he did not do, you smearing, cheating little liar.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:46 AM

Corbyn speaking of his friends Hamas and Hezbollah: YouTube

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:52 AM

"Except for Corbyn's embrace of Islamist terrorists as friends."
No he hasn't
Corbyn has realised that there are two side to the Palestinian question and has highlighted the need for recognising that
Terrorism is a handy label to hang on those you disagree with - I can remember the talk of Jewish terrorists blowing up the Star of David Hotel.
Acts of terrorism are now being committed on a regular basis by both sides - but of you don't recognise that being committed by Israel as Terrorism, do you?
"There is no "his side" for me"
Bloody nonsense - you even stated during the arguments of Israel rthat you were "just putting Israel's point of view"
Israels dreadful actions are disputed" "
See what I mean?
Israel's acts of human rights abuses, mass murder and terrorism were watched day after day throughot the murderous incursions - fully reported and documented
It became necessary for Israel to demand the abolition of the International criminal court in order to be tried for them.
You most certanily not "cetre right" - there are three of you on this foreum (nobody takes Bobad seriously) who hold the most extreme right wing views I have ever come across - some of your own statements would be subject to prosecution were they made off the internet.
Know thyself Keith.
You are certainly correct when you keep claiming to be "right" - you are as "right" as they come.
" A "serious issue" is "a major problem"
Then you will be able to tell us what that issue was.
One more time:
"How many Antisemites
Who are they - have they been expelled?
What exactly does that antisemitism take
Do you believe (alnog with Bobad, The Israeli Justice Minister, and the Israeli propaganda machine, that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic."
You didn't answer these questions whan foirst asked - I doubt if you will answer them now.
You really need to distinguish between a serious issue and an issue taken seriously
Of course it was taken seriously - it would have been irresponsible not to have done so - the end result - no major problem that was not to be found anywhere else in Britain.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:56 AM

Hamas and Hezbollah are Islamist terrorist groups except, of course, to Jew hating apologists.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 09:08 AM

Like who? Name the Jew haters you know, you bloody coward, and prove that they are. Smears are easy. As you and your ally Keith know only too well, facts are a little harder to come by. The people of Lebanon and Gaza were attacked by order of the Israeli regime, not by bands of rampaging Jews doing their own thing. Hamas and Hezbollah have certainly carried out terrorist activities, but then so has the Israeli regime, in spades. Your problem and Keith's problem is that you condemn the one but not the other. You both need to recognise that millions of people in Lebanon and Gaza approve of Hamas and Hezbollah, not just for resisting Israel but also because they help to run the country, rather well in the case of Lebanon. Look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 09:22 AM

"Jew hating apologists."
There you go again accusing Jews of Israeli crimes
Israel would have been tried for war crimes and human rights abuses long ago had it not been for the US veto
America has protected Israel in the same way Russai and Cina has protected Syria
You really must hate the Jews
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 09:51 AM

I would say that anyone who refers to a group that advocates the killing of Jews as a friend is a Jew hater, wouldn't you?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 10:21 AM

"I would say that anyone who refers to a group that advocates the killing of Jews "
I would say that anybody who blames war crimes and human rights abuses on the Jewish people is responsible for putting the libves of all Jews at risk - take a bow.
Cor byn's describing Hezbolah and Hamas "friends" happened seven years ago - he has since thought better of his statement
CORBYN and HAMAS
Do you know if Israel ever apologised for offering to arm Apartheid South Africa with nuclear weapons?
I missed it if they did
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 10:42 AM

"I would say that anyone who refers to a group that advocates the killing of Jews as a friend is a Jew hater, wouldn't you?"

That isn't what you said. You're even misrepresenting your own posts now. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 11:50 AM

Every time we discuss Israel and you refuse to acknowledge even the slightest criticism of the regime, you tell us that you're only putting "Israel's side of the story."

Plenty of you put the criticisms.
Few of us provide Israel's side, which is accepted by all liberal democracies as the truth.

This thread demonstrates that you are single-mindedly and obsessively taking sides against Labour

No.
I have never posted about Labour before in my 20 years here.
This situation is just to big to ignore.
"Labour Party is teetering on the edge of extinction." That was a contender for leader just days ago!

Hamas and Hezbollah have certainly carried out terrorist activities, but then so has the Israeli regime, in spades.

Says who?
Not one single liberal democracy accuses Israel of any terrorism.

Hezbollah fights for Assad.
Happy with that?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 01:09 PM

"
Few of us provide Israel's side, which is accepted by all liberal democracies as the truth."
The so called Libersal democracies have remained silent on it, just a they have remained silent on the atrocities committed by Assad or Qaddafi, or any of their allies prior to them falling out.
this is due to political interest and economic expediency, not support.
Israel has been condemned throughout#t the world by Huab rights groups, by medical workers on the scene, by the international press.... by anybody who has been involved in or witness to the atrocities committed by Israel - there are entire works, from Jews and non Jews alike, condemning the behaviour of the Israeli regime, including high-ranking members of the Israeli establishment
EXTREME TAKEOVER
s you produce the silence of politicians as a support - do not be stupid.
"Few of us provide Israel's side, "
Wonder why - do you think it's because we recognise it as a terrorist state?
I doubt if many here would have provided Hitler's side of the argument - shame on us for the unfair shower of bastards we are.
Wahat an utterly stupid statement.
Israeli atrocities speak for themselves - we have seen them on our television screens, we read about them in our newspapers, I have personally met some of the victims of these atrocities.
"I have never posted about Labour before in my 20 years here"
You are certainly making up for lost time here.
Are you going to provide us with ansrs to the questions?
One more time:
"How many Antisemites
Who are they - have they been expelled?
What form exactly does that antisemitism take
"Hezbollah fights for Assad."
Who the **** supports Hezbollah?
What's your point?
Britain is fighting on the same side as Assad in a war we helped create and could have helped avoid.
Happy with that?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 01:14 PM

Link didn't work
Try this
EXTREME TAKEOVER
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 01:50 PM

Are you going to provide us with ansrs to the questions?
One more time:
"How many Antisemites

I don't know, but enough to "appal" the NEC and for the entire NEC to describe it as a serious issue.

Who are they -

Some were named, Shah, Livingston etc. Otherwise ask Labour. I am just an observer.

What form exactly does that antisemitism take

Antisemitic statements and abuse.

The so called Libersal democracies have remained silent on it,(Israel's crimes)

Yes, because they do not believe in them.

they have remained silent on the atrocities committed by Assad or Qaddafi

No they have not.

Israeli atrocities speak for themselves

No they do not.
I have put Israel's case that the actions were legal and justified.

Who the **** supports Hezbollah?

Steve a few posts ago today.
Happy with that?