AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 12:46 PM

This morning, while I was in a state somewhere between sleep and waking, I saw a bunch of glass balls sitting on something like a table.

My attention became focused upon one particular ball. I saw the ball begin to roll. It rolled off of the table and fell to the floor, smashing to pieces. At the same time, I heard the word, "Pakistan".

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 01:16 PM

To date only Iraq has recognized the Taliban as legitimate, if I have my facts straight.

Well you haven't actually, Troll. In fact the Taliban has been recognised by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. I think that is the lot. It would be a bit surprising if Iraq recognised them - they are poles apart ideologically, though necesssity makes strange bedfellow.

Butbthe fcat that the only countries sthat appear to have recoignised the Taliban appeasr to be allies of the USA is just one of the paradoxical things about this. On the other hand the Iranian government detests them.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 01:30 PM

Here's the text of what that Afghan clerics council said, from today's Guardian (London):

'Osama bin Laden should choose another place'

Friday September 21, 2001

The following are extracts from the text of a verdict issued by the grand council of ulema, or clerics, yesterday, recommending to the ruling Taliban that they persuade Osama bin Laden to leave Afghanistan.

"The nation of Afghanistan has always referred major issues to honourable ulema for a solution. The honourable ulema have always endeavoured to find a solution to problems

"... The ulema of Afghanistan, in the face of their heavy responsibility for the solution of the problems, and in the light of Islam's holy religion, endorse the following decision and verdict: The ulema of Afghanistan voice their sadness over deaths in America and hope that America does not attack Afghanistan, exerts complete patience and accuracy and investigates the issue in its totality.

"The ulema of Afghanistan demand of America that the United Nations and the Organisation of Islamic Conference [OIC] investigate independently and precisely the recent events to clarify the reality and prevent harassment of innocent people.

"The UN and the OIC deliberate over the utterances of America's president who has said that this war will be a crusade. This news has hurt the feelings of Muslims and has posed a major threat to the world.

"In order to avoid the current tumult and also similar suspicion in the future, the high council of the honourable ulema recommends to the Islamic Emirate to persuade Osama bin Laden to leave Afghanistan whenever possible ... and choose another place for himself.

"If, in the light of the above-mentioned decisions, America does not agree and attacks Afghanistan, then, in the light of the sacred Sharia [law] the following verdict is presented: All books of our religious persuasion say that if infidels attack the soil of a Muslim country, jihad [holy war] becomes an order for the Muslims of that country...

"If infidels invade an Islamic country and that country does not have the ability to defend itself, jihad becomes an obligation on all Muslims.

"If infidels attack the soil of Muslims they can, in time of need, ask Islamic and non-Islamic governments for help...

"If at the time of America's attack, any Muslim, whether an Afghan or non-Afghan, cooperates with infidels, becomes an accomplice or a spy, that person is also punishable with death like the foreign invaders."

It reads like a compromise between one lot who wanted a conciliatory response, and one who wanted a belligerent response. As you'd expect, I suppose. If you ever read hoe the First World War started after the Assassination of the Arch-Duke in Sarajevo by a pro-Serbian terrorist, you'll get a feeling of deja vu around here.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: Troll
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 01:32 PM

Thanks Kevin. I really wasn't sure.
'Spaw, your post can be taken several ways. I think I'll answer it this way: Sorry 'Spaw. I prefer my guys to be a little more butch.

love and kisses,

troll

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 01:40 PM

Spaw is a guy - makes him inedible. I'm with you troll.
Peace - Steve

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 01:45 PM

Deja Vu?

The Seeds Of More

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 02:50 PM

Did I hear Mr Bush say that? "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists"

Do we know yet what exactly we are expected to be with?

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 03:15 PM

Do we know yet what exactly we are expected to be with?

Roger, that is exactly what for me is the biggest worry. I am not so naive as to think blood will not be shed and frankly, to root out terrorist organizations, some will be obviously necessary. I get disheartened though with lines where we are "waving the big dick" as Peg said the other day, but I am offset with encouragement when the talk is of using ALL the tools and methods we can to do the job. This is indeed "not my Father's war" and and I continue to believe that the administration and Congress are not going to rashly squander the lives of young people. At the same time, I want to hear more of what is expecting of other countries........more than "with us or agin' us".......

What are we really expecting from the UK, Germany, France.....or Russia and China........or Saudi Arabia. The talk is turning in that direction and I anxiously await as you do. Sharing of Human Intelligence, banking relationships.......The pressure can be applied to make the blood flow less if we are wise enough to use it.

Spaw

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 03:57 PM

Saudi Arabia is of course one of the tiny handful of countries (handful is an exageration) that recognises the Taliban, and the place the people identified as suiciders on those planes come from, and where Bin Ladin came from, and the type of Islamic Fundamentalism identified with his organisation - "fundamentalism of the Right" has its roots.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Sep 01 - 05:25 PM

New Thread #10

Spaw

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• World Trade Center-Unreal Disaster
• AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
• AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
• AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
• AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**PART SEVEN..thoughts
• AMERICAN ATTACKS=PART EIGHT.more still
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
• AMERICAN ATTACKS*PART TEN-&the future is
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**PART ELEVEN: Long Haul
• American Attacks**Part Fifty - Got him!
• American Attacks**Part Twelve: Steady On
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