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HI Max: What about Shambles requests?

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Subject: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: harpgirl
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 08:35 PM

So Max, since no one else seems willing to pull back the curtain and take a look at your cute butt, what do you really have to say about Shambles complaints? Would you just respond already, so we can go on to some other way of exercising our dark impulses?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 08:42 PM

I'm gonna exercise mine by analyzing every post Harpie ever made and correlating them against psychological profies I gather from the Internet in places like www.stars_impel-dot-org. Mwhahahaha.....

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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: bobad
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 08:43 PM

Did you mean to say exorcising?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:17 PM

Move to BS, please.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:32 PM

Who cares? Not me.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:35 PM

I don't care what you say, I think it's outrageous to subject hamsters to that sort of treatment. They don't like water! I am unalterably opposed to the whole thing, and I refuse to mollycoddle people who try to justify it by saying it's just clean fun!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:57 PM

oh, all we need is for Max to get into ***explaining*** his policies to Shambles! NOT!

You think there are long, tedious threads now!?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:12 AM

Well, actually, I think Max' policies are pretty clear, aren't they? Joe manages the threads, with the help of the clones; Jeff manages the new code and tricky Java and such, and Max keeps the system up, makes the high-level calls he has to, does the re-booting and deep debugging and mostly trusts the judgement of the rest. All of these guys are producers of lots of lumiere and blow no horns. Their ratio of productive contributions to noise is the highest in the community, possibly excepting Masako and his kindred scholars.

What's not to know about it?


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:20 AM

Oh boy!!! Shambles is going to love this, someone else doing his bitching for him.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:03 AM

I am eating yum-yums from Couplands in Barton.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:11 AM

Living off the fat of the land as usual Greg?
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:13 AM

harpy, I suspect you will learn a lot about Mudcat in this thread.

There will be rather more sensitivity here towards Max being asked to Joe and others being accused over something only Max can clarify.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:22 AM

I wish I knew what everyone was talking about....


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:39 AM

Just think ingratitude, and biting the hand that feeds you Lynne.
If it wasn't playing into the hands of the conspiracy theorists I'd suggest either closing this superfluous thread or amalgamating it with Shambles long moan about someone editing his lustrous posts.
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:42 AM

The 400 + posts in this thread may help explain the problem - as to the solution - you will find very few post in that thread that address the issue let alone many that offer any solution. Well none that are physically possible.

In the UK.....?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:58 AM

Lynne, read the initial post and Joe Offer's official answer as Lead Clone...which is about post #120. All of the rest are repetitive, derisive and/or basically unnecessary...including a few from me.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:03 AM

The way I see it Lynne is that for 4 or more years, shambles has had it, in spite of others poiting out how unlikely it is that Joe Offer and his evil empire are destryoing Max's dream by acting against his wishes. Shambles refuses to ask Max if this is true but someone else now has.

My other post porbably relates to art's comments as well as any other. Max might be seen has the hand that feeds them but the concept that the hands that feed Max by doing duties for him is that touch harder to grasp.

To some, clones are fair game.

I suppose the question really hinges on whether you as a manager would stand by for 4 years and watch your employess get call liars.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:17 AM

I couldn't get anyone in the medical community to take me seriously when I brought my imaginary playmate Robert in with a broken collarbone. Some of the nurses would agree to see him, but they were just laughing and lying. Even I could see through that much! No-one would take X-Rays, because they said they wouldn't show anything up on an imaginary playmate. No-one would bandage him because they didn't know where to put the bandages. He was in a lot of pain, I could feel that even though he was being brave, and there was just no help to be had.

I told him he would have to sleep it off, even though I was not especially sure what that meant. It was something my mother used to tell my father to do, so I guessed it might work.

Robert got better after a few days; I thik his kind heal faster than we do. Sometimes I wish I could use the same therapy on people who are not imaginary.

Amos


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:20 AM

I still maintain that in this case silence is the best answer. His actions support the clones - and NO response is going to satisy The Shambles in any case. Plus, since Max has requested that questions of this type be conducted off the main forum - his responding here could be seen as "giving in"


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:41 AM

Do non-problems need real solutions?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:43 AM

Harp. Harp. Harp.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:50 AM

Amos, they refused to X-ray Robert because no one would be billable.

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: harpgirl
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:54 AM

Fuck the lot of you. Max needs to deal with this. This place is sick.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,catsphiddle@work
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:57 AM

Harpgirl...if you feel that way why do you hang around?

Mudcat is fine the way it is. The majority of people accept the way it is run and are happy with it and support Max and Joe's decisions. There is no need to be foul mouthed and hurl abuse. You are just lowering yourself. Get over it.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:09 AM

Harpy:

You didn't answer my question. Ya gonna wave your arms and storm off now?

A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:31 AM

Damn right it's sick. Any place where a majority of the members support the notion of strapping a poor little hamster into a tiny straitjacket and dragging him (or her) around a cold, slimy pond behind a noisy, fume-spewing radio-controlled speedboat is SICK! Beyond the pale! This place should be shut down permanently.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:53 AM

LH, you are greatly confused, as has been previously shown by your expressed preference in "actors." That is not a straitjacket, it is a lifejacket, and its use is generally required in all inland waters deeper than six (6) inches.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:55 AM

What about when they got little Hammy up in a balloon? No wonder they needed so many doubles!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:03 AM

Yawn

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:04 AM

LH... On behalf of People against the Inhumane Treatment of Hampsters, thank you for standing up for our furry friends. PITH on them.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:08 AM

Damn right. And that's to say nothing of the playground rocket launchings. Shocking! Unconscionable!

Look, I tried to read one of Shambles' threads about the forum way back when, I really did. I plowed through the acres of verbiage, searching for a reason for it all, a justification, a cause...

It was like chewing on a large piece of rubber and waiting for it to dissolve in your mouth. Useless.

That's why I would rather save the hamsters.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: harpgirl
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:18 AM

let me say it differently. It hurts my heart to see the Shambles versus clones and their supporters hurl abuse at one another with no end to it. I hurt when I see unsolved problems make people be mean to each other. I hurt when I see people's sadism stirred up by people's masochism. I hurt. I don't like it.

People I want to like and admire say cruel things to one another. I hurt when people gang up on one another. I hurt when no one does anything about it. And look here, no one has said anything sensitive to me. Just made jokes, told me to go away, or insisted that they know what the "majority" thinks. It's even hardened Jerry Rasmussen's heart. Even he is sarcastic.

What's wrong with this picture? Max, what's wrong with this picture?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:31 AM

Perhaps if you said something other then what renders essentially as:

"Everyone is mean to me"

and "FUCK YOU!"

which recently seems to be your two major themes.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:33 AM

I don't think any of us are empowered to really deal with the situation, harpgirl. Are we? Seems to me that Max runs the forum as he wants to, so if you or Shambles feel a change would be good, then you simply have to talk to Max directly about it, I would think. And see what happens.

I came here in all innocence a few years ago, and was initially shocked and rather hurt to be treated as a "troll", because I was a "Guest" poster. Accordingly, I got a membership. Then I went through the various stages of surprise at how mean some people could be here...which I wasn't prepared for. Then I got used to it, and learned how to let it wash off me like water off a duck. I just don't take it all that seriously anymore. People don't owe it to me to meet MY expectations.

This turned out to be good for training me in many things:

1. How not to become a target for people.
2. How not to let people upset and control me.
3. How not to develop and hold grudges.
4. How to like people even IF they are not nice all the time.
5. How to listen to people who are not "nice".
6. How to get along with people who are not inclined to get along.
7. How to find humor in my own and other people's frailties.

And so on...

This place is tough, but it's quite a training ground in interpersonal dynamics. When you have real trouble getting along with a particular person here, I think the best thing to do is PM them and see if you can straighten it out privately. It's not a good idea to fight tooth and nail with them in front of the whole forum, unless you do it tongue in cheek. I often do that with some of my most worthy opponents here, just for fun.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM

Problem Harpy, WHAT PROBLEM? There is no problem except in the fevered imagination of our own pet monomaniac Shambles, and boy have we wasted an awful lot of time on these imaginary ubermeisters.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:09 PM

What makes you think that this is a resolveable problem, Harpgirl? We've already had endless threads on this, one alone going over 1,000 posts. How many thousand posts do you want before you accept that threads are not going to bring a resolution to what on many levels seems a non-problem to begin with? No, my heart isn't hardened.. I just don't see any sense in endlessly chewing an old bone.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:24 PM

Harp,

I hear ya, and it is unpleasant, I agree; for my own part, i retreated into humor after about ten attempts to communicate what I thought was reasonably with Shambo; he would have none of it. It was like trying to offer an explanation to a clunky transmission, with the result that it jes' keeps on clunking. In other words, talking to a machine. When a machineposes as a human, no-one is fooled.   It's harder to see through the reverse scenario, when a human is taken over by an endless loop of mechanical churning into which understanding cannot be allowed.

Now, it may not look like it, but this refusal to dialogue, this deluging of communication lines with no-communication, to me is not just some hurting unit trying to be understood. Rather it is either some kind of OCD or it is just plain passive aggression.

While I agree we should not be mean to each other, I would simply point out that there are lots of ways to be mean. Given that no middle ground appears as viable in Shambo's universe, he places himself, repeatedly and voluntarily, in an endless posture of adversarial windage and kind of forces folks to side with him or with the Joe-and-the-clones team.

The only way to resolve this sort of quandary is to assess the real values demonstrated by the proponents and compare them to your own purposes and values. To me Joe and the clones have added several hundred times the value that Shambles has, even though I have enjoyed Roger's posts from time to time on other subjects. So, since I am forced to make a choice, by reason of Sham's Corian-hided obstinacy, will retreat into humor which will at least make this silly business less tedious.

Hope this is clear, and I hope it helps, actually. I bear no ill-will to any of these participants. But Roger's issue has been raised and answered a score of times and he will not be concise, will not make clear proposals, and will not stop maundering about no matter what is said to him. Every answer is anopportunity for another five thousand words which end up exactly where they began.

So my question to you is this. 1. Is there a specific request you are aware of that Shambles is making that has not already been answered?

If so, can you state it in less than 25 words?

If it is that "all edits to any threads should only occur with the permission of the poster", that has already been asked and answered.

The answer, to put it in other words, was "The right to occasionally edit threads for clarity or to remedy violations of common standards shall be reserved to the judgement of Max and his delegates, who are at this time Joe Offer and his appointed clones, who are entrusted with making the necessary judgements for the common good."

And that is the answer, and it hasn't changed.

Am I missing something, really?

A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:28 PM

" It hurts my heart to see the Shambles versus clones and their supporters hurl abuse at one another"

Then stop reading those threads...

"I hurt. I don't like it"
Awwww... poor little muffin...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:50 PM

Jerry

What make you think this problem is not resolvable. What I think is lacking is our will to resolve it and to carry on passing meanless personal judgements on each other (whether we have the power to impose these judgements or not). This forum has always been for public discussion and open debate - not judgement of a posters personal worth - by fellow posters.

Some seem to think that Max has the solution. I think that the solution is with all of us.

Whatever side you may feel you are forced into taking - THE PROBLEM is the FACT that there is all this DIVISION on our forum......Do you really think that all of this DIVISION is a non-problem and it will just go away if you think nice thoughts and keep your head in the sand long enough?

Do you really think it acceptable for moderators or representitives of the site's owner to mount public personal attacks upon fellow posters, isolate their postings for selective imposition, taunt, bully, call them names and encourage others to do this?

And even if you do think this behaviour is now acceptable on our forum and continue to openly side with this - would you be too surprised if others did not agree and would you accept that this disagreement might be a problem that may divide us - and for little or no reason? Or is this DIVISION a 'non-problem'?

This DIVISION remains a fact that sadly is only going to get worse - if it is not addressed and resolved to ensure that all posters can once again contribute on equal terms on our forum.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:02 PM

And theyyyyy're OFFF!


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:04 PM

THIS IS A TEST. IT IS ONLY A TEST.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M TESTING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TESTING. I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M TESTING. I MUST BE BORED TO POST TO THIS AGAIN AT ALL.

THIS IS A TEST. THIS IS ONLY A TEST.

Harpgirl,

Reread your own opening post. It seems you were assuming since YOU feel like you need to hear from Max on this, that many more of us also have that need. Me not pulling back the curtain to look at Max's "cute little butt" as you put it, has nothing to do with willingness. I just don't want to. The Shambles ramblings do not stir or conjure any "dark impulses" in me. And if they did, that would be my issue to deal with, not Max's.

I expressed that, succinctly and non-abusively. I did not tell you to fuck off for making the mistake of acting as if you might be speaking for me. Who is hurling abuse at whom?

I would join the SAVE THE HAMSTERS movement, but the little rodents cannibalize their own children--they deserve what they get (evil laughter.)

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Yawn
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:11 PM

It was like chewing on a large piece of rubber and waiting for it to dissolve in your mouth. Useless.

LOL LOL LOL - love that one LH!



What make you think this problem is not resolvable

Shambles, you are pretending to be very logical about this, and you think you can slip a little assumption of yours past us and we won't notice.

THERE IS NO PROBLEM!

NOTHING NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED!


Now why don't you be a good boy, run along and find something to do - like pull the wings off a few flies.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:32 PM

(Don Quixote levels his lace and charges yet again at the offending structure)

Little Boy: Mommy, why is that crazy man bashing away at our windmill?

Mother: We're not sure. I guess he thinks it's the right and noble thing to do.

Little Boy: But where are we supposed to get our flour?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:36 PM

Divisions are caused by divisive people.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: bobad
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:39 PM

No wonder Don Quixote never got anywhere - attacking those windmills with his lace.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:39 PM

Me so cricetus au rat us.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

Clinton's right. An EDIT feature would be so nice.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:51 PM

Gnu, whatever do you MEAN?????


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:57 PM

Oops. Mesocricetus auratus, of the family Cricetinae. So much Jaysus Cricetinae? I knew there was some kinda divine intention to this here hamster thread.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:00 PM

Would that be the same hamster that is getting pretty long in the tooth and keeps pooping out on the wheel that keeps Mudcat running?

Explains a lot.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:01 PM

about Corridus, a hamster of being extrodiare, speak not you thus!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Megan L
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:05 PM

bairns bairns if ye werny all sae far a wa id skelp yer chorus an send ye all tae bed withoot any supper. Oh boooogar it if ye dinny like the roundaboot go play on the swings.

As for you Little Hawk if ye bring thon dambed haimster intae this hoose again ah'll pit ye on the falmin wheel tae power this place :)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:08 PM

Would a hamster, by any other name, be as Danety.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:12 PM

Oh!!! I was wrong, all wrong about the darling little creatures. Gnu, I owe you soooooooo much. I googled criticetinae. Apparently mommy hampsters will stuff babies in their mouths to protect them!!!

I've converted. Where do I send my dues?

LH--you may be overly concerned. Apparently some species of hamsters swim quite well, and fill their check pouches with air for flotation. THEY DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' LIFE JACKET. They probably pay good money to rent the boat--adrenalin rushes...that sort of thing.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:38 PM

Harpy, have you considered counciling?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:13 PM

I would have thought that shambles is quite capable of dealing with this himself, without any assistance. Why prolong the agony?


I love hamsters - anything the little darlings want to do is fine by me.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:26 PM

I'd take Harpgirl more seriously (o.k.. seriously at all) if she didn't send abusive PMs..... As it stands, she's just a stupid bint...

(May as well sink to your level h-girl)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM

Let's give The Shambles a permathread to title and manage (gasp-- edit?!?!?!?) for himself.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:48 PM

Better... lets give shambles a kick up the arse with a frozen size 13 for being an idiot...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:51 PM

I agree Susan. And may I suggest "Hamster Heaven" for the title. Now, I hope that the clones don't change that title without my permission. Or, I shall have to post to it to pontificate, proliferate, propogate, propitiate... oh, PITH on it.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:51 PM

hg hurls as good as she gets...it's kind of funny to see her try to take the high road in this bullshit..."I hurt"....oh, please!

Shambles is delusional and needs help, but not your kind, hg!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:59 PM

"I hope that the clones don't change that title without my permission"

Anything you post here is the 'property' of Mudcat... They will do with is as they please...

Don't like it? Get the FUCK OUT!

I mean for shits sake, where's the sense of perspective... to get this worked up over some cruddy little message board on a pimple of the butt of the puny 'folk' section of the internet?!?! Like anything that happens here matters in any way shape or form in the real world?!?!?

Get a damn life...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:10 PM

"You have proven yourself by your comments to me and many others to be an insensitive boor. I'm not interested in your opinion."

Guess who sent me the above, and did'nt sign it or put any kisses on the bottom?

Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:10 PM

You can't mean that, Clinton! I happen to know for a fact that your very sanity rests on this forum being up and running at least 4 days a week, and that you are under the impression you can't live without it!

(nod, wink)

My advice is, kick the habit. Get a hamster instead, and watch the little critter go through its antics. You'll have to stay up late at night for that, but it's worth it, believe me.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:14 PM

I dunno Giok. William Shatner?

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:24 PM

It wasn't Shatner. I just asked him.

He said, "It's true I'm not interested in his (Giok's) opinion. I couldn't care less. But I wouldn't call him an insensitive boor. Hell, I don't even know the guy."


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:26 PM

Only if he promises to stick solely to that thread & never pollutes any other. Then we can ignore it... Ahhhh... But that'd spoil his fun - the average squalling two year old attention seeker never likes being ignored!

Roger - This 'problem' is not resolvable because you're on the other side of it! Beneath your facade of 'reasonable debate', you will never accept anything other than complete & utter capitulation to your point of view. Much as I like you in other respects, on the matter of censorship, you know my opinion of you! :-/

You pretend to be willing to talk, but for so long as there is any hint of what you consider censorship, you will be whining about it. My comparison of you, on this topic, with a two year is less than semi-joking. You claim to want debate & compromise, but no compromise is possible. It's all or nothing for you, & most posters here seem to believe that your philosophy is a road to nothing. I agree. In my experience an uncontrolled board becomes a desert. Winds may blow across it from the margins, but nothing fruitful lasts within its borders. Of course, you don't see that, you only see your flourishing Paradise; not under your control, perhaps, but under your benign patronage without which it could not be...

The rest of us see dry, dusty sand, but you persist... Monomania is a wonderful thing, but being full of wonder is not always a plus, any more than miracles or luck are always good...

Harpgirl - in your own terms, since you don't like it, why don't you eff off? Apart from Roger, the rest of us seem to like MC just fine. But, I suppose, since we're bored & fed up with Roger's mindless repetitive clockwork drivel, we must also be soulless mannequins under the control of the evil empire? Right? {Rollseyes} (P.S. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, & if you stop being defensive & sensitive on someone else's behalf, you might just start to see how silly you look).


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:43 PM

"your very sanity rests on this forum being up"

My what? saaa... sssaaaan... saaaaaaniiteeee???

Never heard of it...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:02 PM

Get the fuck out if I don't like it? Get a damn life? Clinton! Get a grip bud. Or, get a Bud. And read my post again.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:06 PM

Gnu... I was just using what you said as 'parody' to make a point... the get a life was NOT aimed at you...

Bud? I'll buy if we drink beer instead o.k.?

(sorry for the misunderstanding... ahh the joys of text only communication eh?)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:17 PM

Harp, why do you insist on this shit??? Must I play Dulcinea to your Quixote? (Shut up, Spaw and Amos!!!!) This whole thread is phony. All anyone ever asked of Shambles was to take his bitch to Max. Go back and read. You will find a man who would not like it if folks quit picking on him. There have been times when no one responded a few days and he continued in a manner most desperate, IMO. He courts this. If your heart is to hurt, dearie, it should hurt for a poor soul in need of your professional services as well as a drug regimen. I say this without rancor. His posts are clear in what they demonstrate. Your starting this thread to speak for him almost suggests an enabling personality to me. He is plenty capable (as he demonstrates ad nauseum) of speaking for himself. It is the listening piece he objects to.

Mick


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:29 PM

Roger - This 'problem' is not resolvable because you're on the other side of it! Beneath your facade of 'reasonable debate', you will never accept anything other than complete & utter capitulation to your point of view.

There is nothing like setting your expectations high - that does not mean that you may not be prepared to be realistic and settle for a little bit less. But the factor you are missing is when the other side is being totally unrealistic and not prepared to move at all - and more damagingly - prepared to watch the whole edifice they claim to be protecting - be torn apart by encouraging the resulting divisions.

Joe's wish now to 'index', 'consolidate' 'prefix', 'clarify' and generally try to control the postings of others - can be undertaken without the need for him to claim that thread titles are for him to impose changes on - as and when he wishes to. Or try and obtain general approval for his wish to do this.

I don't consider that Joe's clear wish to impose his personal judgement upon the contributions of his fellow posters - in order to 'clarify' - to be more important than the wishes of posters to have their words - as posted. They may of course agree to any proposed changes - if asked?

I also don't accept that presenting Joe and his fellow volunteers with the requirement to first ask posters before they impose any changes upon their fellow posters is too 'cumbersome' nor that avoiding inconvenience to our (anonymous) volunteers should now be thought to be the prime consideration of our forum.

These will remain my views and if I really need to - in order to inform posters of the reality of what lies behind the 'spin' and to try and return to the friendly and tolerant spirit and equal treatment to all posters that used to be taken for granted on our forum - I will continue to express and evidence this. Using moderate language and without mounting any abusive persaonal attacks. Posters can completely ignore this - if they wish to.

But it seems to be a lot more fun to follow the poor example now being set by our volunteers and their supporters and to post only to make personal judgements of fellow posters.....Sadly with all of this - it is going to take a lot of effort to put the genie back in the bottle - but I still think that it is worth the effort to try.

Any help will be much appreciated.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:35 PM

Mick...take his bitch to Max who IS she, hg?:-)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:35 PM

Then start your own message board shambles...

and stay there


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:38 PM

Dear Max,

    Is it true that William Shatner tilts at windmills, riding a chimpanzee, wearing lace panties, a beer in one hand, with a hamster jammed in his front shirt pocket, jaw pouches full inflated to serve as an airbag? And can you confirm the wild rumor that you recently 'mooned' a certain Mudcatter?

    Answer quickly please. Inquiring minds and the Society for the Ethical Treatment of Hamsters want to know.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:41 PM

Seriously Mr. Paramedic...........I was just sitting at my computer reading along and suddenly the image of a friend dressed as Dulcinea came over me and I seem to have blacked out........Why is the room rotating?.........No I don't do drugs although I'm now considering it..............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:43 PM

I did not read your post Shambo. I was petting my hamster. Ya gotta have priorities, eh?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:51 PM

Where do you want help shambles?

If it is over an opion given from Max to clarify matters, I think I've reached the point where I would support you. Although I'd still think you pretty spineless for not at least attempting to PM him first.

If on the other hand for example your point is over what I can only read as Mudcat's (ultimately Max's) position over indexing and moving, I would be in an impossible position as if my view over anything counted, I would support the position and openly say I do move, combine. etc. elsewhere...

That said, I'm not convinced any debate opening

"Joe's wish now to 'index', 'consolidate' 'prefix', 'clarify' and generally try to control the postings of others"

Is worthy of thought. A slight rewording even to

"Mudcat's wish now to 'index', 'consolidate' 'prefix', 'clarify' and generally try to control the postings of others"

might (and I'm not sure it would be) worthy of debate for some for gathering of opinion.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:52 PM

And what happens when he misses the windmill and slams into Big M- er-I mean-Dulcinea? Do the jaw pouches offer enough protection? Offer? Did I say Offer? Did you say that windmill is named in honor of Joe Offer?

I am soooo confuuuuuuused! Beam me up, Scotty.

J.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:54 PM

Scotty--forget that last request. I kinda like this craziness!

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:01 PM

The use of the expression "generally control" is inaccurate and designed only to stir others up.

There has been no indication any control except the most ordinary cosmetic and qutidien matters. Naming a thread a Song Challenege in which the author invites others to write a song is so normal as to be sleep-inducing. Yet here, in Wonderland, it is like the little Eat Me cake which blows things up to Brobdingnagian scale.

This is the plainest sort of passive aggression, hiding behind a very thin veneer of rationality which while rationalized is not actually rational, IMHO.

A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:10 PM

"This is the plainest sort of passive aggression, hiding behind a very thin veneer of rationality which while rationalized is not actually rational, IMHO"

Could be Amos....Could be. Or else he's just a broke-dick mamalucca contemplating his own asshole.

Ya' know he IS so much fun to "abuse" because it is just that.......fun!!! He has been carrying on this tirade for years and admits he will not quit until it all goes HIS way. So what the fuck........Might as well kick him in the balls.....if you can find any.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:11 PM

Harpgirl - in your own terms, since you don't like it, why don't you eff off? Apart from Roger, the rest of us seem to like MC just fine. But, I suppose, since we're bored & fed up with Roger's mindless repetitive clockwork drivel, we must also be soulless mannequins under the control of the evil empire? Right? {Rollseyes} (P.S. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, & if you stop being defensive & sensitive on someone else's behalf, you might just start to see how silly you look).

While I am not sure that it is a good idea to adopt the questionable methods of those who abuse others in such language - that is not to say that I have not been sorely tempted to do the same. But the idea that I (and others) may not like the Mudcat is plainly absurd.

Cheap and corked plonk - may taste OK to those who have only ever been served up with this - it will hardly be drinkable to those who have been used to the real thing. Perhaps we will all be able to taste the real vintage stuff again? Perhaps then we will not take it for granted but cherish it this time.

But if you are bored - simply don't read it. End of.........


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:22 PM

I sure hope they don't get you to write up the Policies & Procedures manual for Mudcat, Shambles. Your circular thinking makes me dizzy.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:30 PM

And don't forget to check out the cool recipes in the Mater's and Squash thread below. Oh, and Dulcinea--you can stuff your bra with ripe tomatoes to carry off the part. They feel almost real;^)

Janie

(Let's see....I am being irreverent, or simply irrelevent.......hmmmm.........gotta' go back to school on that one.)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:32 PM

I tell ya' guys, I'm usually really good at causing a thread to wither away to nuthin'. Happens more times than not when I post to a thread. Hope I haven't lost my touch....

J


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:37 PM

Here's hopin'...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:04 PM

Here's an alternative notion.

Leave Max out of it.

He's nobody's Dad around here, kids. We can quibble all day if we want -- I sure don't -- or we can find a reasonable compromise.

ASSUMING such a thing is possible.

The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal. Evidently, Shambles feels they should be nil -- that only "fellow posters" in our great cybercommune should have the power to allow any changes.

This of course would defeat the purpose of having such authority, which was made necessary by wicked anti-social shitheads in the past. It is the anti-social, above all else who have changed the mood and flavor here, not the volunteers. The problem was not created by the volunteers, it was created by juveniles and a**holes. Or by spammers, who will never approve of having their threads deleted or marked as unwanted commercial spam. So the notion of asking people if you can edit their stuff is totally extraneous to the reason for needing to do any editing in those categories -- of course their harmful intentions are such that they would decline. IF they were sane enough to accept such a modification, they wouldn't be writing scurrilous invalidations

Correcting typos? Adding a prefix to a thread name? These are NOT SUBSTANTIVE FACTORS. They improve communication EVEN if they annoy the original author who WAS NOT RESPONSIVE to a common good through some sort of oversight, or error, or unawareness. Pride of authorship is one thing, if you have written carefully and well, but thread pre-fixes are below the par and should not even be noticed. This isn't the Library of Congress, for cry-i -- it's a voluntary discussion site!

So how do we bridge this insistent, droning gap?

1. Well, we could make it personal and just give Sham his own unedited thread. I don't think that is his point though.

2. Or we could just say -- to hell with it, the present standard is good enough for 99.5% of us, let it ride as it is. That has certainly been my feeling so far.

3. We could tabulate a vote to formalize the process, assuming we could persuade Joe and Max -- who have the actual power over the matter at hand -- to accede to such a decision.

4. We could ignore it and hope it dies out. Just paint it black and close our ears.

5. We could articulate the exact protocols and formal specification of when any post or thread may or may not be changed and by whom. That has already been pretty well tried in the FAQ.

6. We could say, "This is not a community under law, but a community under the free willing participation of anyone who participates" and on that basis let the current situation continue indefinitely, being shaped by its participants, of which I will no longer be one as far as this subject goes; expecting it will sooner or later evolve one way or the other -- toward understanding or toward oblivion. That's kind of the default value. If that's the one we go with, as has been the case hitherto, I only hope it evolves sooner rather than later.
Unless something new gets said on it, I think I have plumb run out of comments to make!


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:23 PM

Hey Amos.....How about if we ask Joe or a clone to delte and move to an archived thread, ANY Shambles post that contains no new info.....LOL

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:27 PM

" Leave Max out of it."

Bull... it's HIS message board... That MAKES it his responsibility whether he wants to acknowledge it or not...

I'll tell ya, if I was him, Mudcat would be the best kept secret on the whole internet...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:30 PM

What is his responsibility, CH? To act to intercede over Shambo's discontent? Why would he?

A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:02 PM

Max don't owe anyone any explanation for anything, even though most everything has already been beat to death. And he don't owe anyone shit in the first place.... conversely... youse him.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:03 PM

Oops... youse 'owe' him.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:11 AM

Here's an alternative notion.

Leave Max out of it.

He's nobody's Dad around here, kids. We can quibble all day if we want -- I sure don't -- or we can find a reasonable compromise.

ASSUMING such a thing is possible.


Amos when the assumption is made that the problem is a non problem or it is only one poster that is the problem – posters could just ignore it. But when the solution is seen by our volunteers to post and encourage endless personal judgements – abusive personal attacks – foul language, name calling, threats, and assessments of every aspect of the perssonality of a fellow poster who they have never met. A poster who does not respond in kind but just tries to express and evidences their personal view on a public discussion forum set aside on Max's site – for that purpose. And when very few poster actually address the reality of the problem – there is very little chance of us all ever finding any real solution to a very real problem. For encouraging all this personal judgement and resulting division - IS the problem.

Amos - I welcome your late arrival to making some attempt at a solution to all this division - a solution that is more than possible – where there is a will. For a solution and an end to all this personal judgement - is not only possible – it is vital. But before much positive input can be added by our forum – the answers to certain question need to be openly provided to our forum as secrecy in these matters only leads to damaging speculation.

The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal. Evidently, Shambles feels they should be nil -- that only "fellow posters" in our great cybercommune should have the power to allow any changes.

1. Who are 'The Clone Department' now?

2. How many of them are there now?

3. Is it really so helpful or proportionate now - for any of these fellow posters to have the choice of being anonymous?

Amos –

Can the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as minimal? What more real power over their fellow posters could they possibly require than this?

My view is not as you state – it is that many changes of course can be made to any contribution– with the originator's permission or possible at their request. But where the concern is only one of clarification - and stated to be in order to be helpful to our forum's readers – is it really now proportionate for such changes be imposed upon the words of our forum's contributors – without their knowledge or permission? When the attempt to always obtain permission first would be so easy to undertake and all posters would then again be seen to be receiving the equal treatment that has been customary (until recently) on our forum?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:29 AM

Looks like somebody's name has been added to the 'Most favoured' list. He he
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:30 AM

all posters would then again be seen to be receiving the equal treatment that has been customary (until recently) on our forum?

I am pretty sure that is more or less the case now, Shambo. THis desire for equal treatment of all posters is a granfalloon. All posters are equal. But some posts are not.


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:36 AM

I have seen a great many posts in my life, and they are clearly not all equal. My neighbour has three that are falling down, sadly in need of repair.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

"Can the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as minimal?"



~~~~yes~~~~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:01 PM

and.........


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:02 PM

100!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:06 PM

Well, why not? Probably makes as much sense as anything else here.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:35 PM

Sure is hot here in North Carolina today. Think I'll join the hampsters behind that speedboat.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:49 PM

~~~~yes~~~~

No Bill - minimal or none at all - just describes the amount of imposition your posts are likely to receive currently - no matter how personally abusive they may be.

Amos says - All posters are equal. But some posts are not.

I think Bill D's plainly quite absurd answer demonstrates that some posters are considered and consider themselves now - to be a lot more equal than other posters on our forum. They certainly feel that their posts will always be free of the imposition that they smugly consider would be 'minimal' when imposed upon someone else.

Amos - As it was you who used the word minimal - perhaps we may get a fair and more sensible answer from you? One that we will never receive from Bill D? Although I would not bet too much hard cash on it.

Do you still consider the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as 'minimal'? What more real power over their fellow posters could they possibly require than this?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:20 PM

Martin Gibson would tell you that you are all full of shit.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: michaelr
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:24 PM

And for once he would be right.

What's the point of this thread? Or of Roger's obsession?

No, don't answer that. Please. Just save the bandwidth for things that matter.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:54 PM

Roger:

Yes, I do. What I see is the least effort needed to maintain useability and a minimum of order.

I don't know which posters you are talking about. I usually try to think of the issiues BEFORE I post. For example, I try to put clear, unambiguous titles on any thread I start. But I have every confidence that if I blow the rules by mistake, I can count on Joe to call me off base if I am, and I just say, Aw, heck; okay.

Why you see the various daemons you do in the same objective phenomena is, I think, a personal issue, not a community one.

I have nothing to add.

Come to think of it I already said that!

A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:27 AM

"Martin Gibson would tell you that you are all full of shit."

Martin at least had the balls to sign his name.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM

Amos - I asked.

Do you still consider the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as 'minimal'? What more real power over their fellow posters could they possibly require than this?

Amos replied

Yes, I do. What I see is the least effort needed to maintain useability and a minimum of order.

This answer slides from the original assessment of the extent of the ability - by you as minimal – to addressing a different issue entirely and using words that any 'spin doctor' would be proud of. You do not even attempt to explain what – if you consider this ability (to impose at will) is the minimum – what you (or we) could possibly consider to be the maximum…

Perhaps you were originally referring only to the effort required - on the part of those imposing – being and needing to be minimal? This need – not to place too much strain upon our volunteers – looks rapidly to becoming the primary concern on our forum…….

However, this is what you said - and which I have aked you to clarify.

The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal.


Why you see the various daemons you do in the same objective phenomena is, I think, a personal issue, not a community one.

That may well be the case – but you may agree that it takes - two-to tango. The assumptions made by certain volunteer fellow posters that cause the selective imposition of their personal judgement upon my contributions and not upon those of others – is defended publicly to this community as being impartial and NOT personally motivated. When it is obvious – to anyone who examines the evidence provided – that this judgement and editing is selective and personally motivated. That makes it very much a community issue and one that is not address and solved – will result in there being no more community.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:08 AM

The (incorrect) assumptions and the pointless personal judgements resulting in the special treatment imposed upon one poster - based on these assumptions - is well demonstrated in this post.

http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=1539530

Please remember - the things referred to in this post are NOT facts. They are just the (perfectly valid) personal views of one fellow poster about another expressed in a conventional post and not made (this time) in a editing comment..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:35 AM

By the way – In reference to Joe Offer's claim in the above linked post - that I have compared him with Hitler - I put The Shambles - Joe Offer and Hitler in the advance search and the only post that came-up was the following.

http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=1499823

I agree with both the preceeding guests, I have only been around for about 4 years, but in that time I've seen people condemned and castigated for a lot less the Martin Gibson got away with. I was disappointed that Joe Offer seemed to excuse him while on the other hand crossing swords with The Shambles over much less offensive postings. I also found it funny that a lot of people seemed to excuse Martin's behaviour on the grounds that he was pretty knowledgable on some aspects of folk music, and anyway he was being rude mostly below the line, which some seem to regard as 'beyond the pale' anyway. That's a bit like saying you excuse Hitler because he was good with kids. As has been said MG should have been curbed long before he got to be the problem he has to quite a few people, and he did show up a weakness in the policing of this forum that I love.
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:22 AM

I assure you with all the confidence I can muster, Sham, that if you are being singled out in some way it is directly coupled to the long history you have of upbraiding and calumniating those who are helping. Now I'm being a spin doctor, issit?   Oh and avoiding the issue as well, not addressing points you made, hmmm?

Well, sorry. I do what I can, but I see our time is up. Perhaps next week, eh?

A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:36 AM

Hehehe... I just got back from me camp. And this thread is at the top of the BS section.... it is to laugh. Had a lovely time. The neighbours had their annual Games Day and there was a big crowd... even had a hoser all the way from The Big Smoke. Lots of booze and eats of all sorts and great banter and sing alongs around the roasring fire. I went to bed at midnight. The part I most enjoyed was singing on the porch of my camp at 05:10h. I wasn't even yelled at. Most of them had (have?) hangovers.

BTW... I didn't read any more of the posts to this thread.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:02 AM

Thank you for quoting my post Roger but I can't see what validity it might have in proving you have been picked on unfairly, considering it was a critique of the lax policing of the MG phenomenon and not a complaint about policing of the Mudcat threads in general.
It's no good wasting your verbal diarrhoea on me Roger I can see right through your masochist posturing.
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:14 AM

I received a PM today from Roger advising me that I was full of shit.

This was in response, I suppose, to my sarcasm in my last post.

I suppose when passive aggression fails, name-calling is an appropriate response, eh?

In any case, Sham's concerns about being picked on and about the unfairness of it all are no longer my concern IMO he is flailing in a web of his own design and refusing to take the most elementary responsibility for it. I have nothing to add to such a narcissistic viewpoint.


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM

Being FOS for all of us is only a matter of degree and not a matter of being 100%full or 100%empty.

I for one would like edit priviledges since my dyslexia makes it very difficult to write and spell correctly the first time around.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:18 AM

Anyone know the old chestnut about the boy who cried 'repression'?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:20 AM

gee, I see Roger does not like his rhetorical questions being answered simply!

My short, simple answer was totally serious. ~~~yes~~~ means that I, as well as most others, seem to think the editing IS minimal and not troubling.

I do **NOT** feel I receive special treatment. I try to exercise the restraint necessary to avoid the need for being edited. Try it.

This thread now demonstrates why I said that it would be folly for Max to get into a running debate with Roger about the issue. Shambles simply does not WANT any editing, any anonymity among the editing staff that he doesn't want, or any editing without permission by the editing staff that he doesn't want...etc...

No amount of discussion will change what he wants and doesn't want.

I suggest we just let him type till his fingers are sore, and quit responding unless there is something new.

*gritting my teeth and making resolution*


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:49 AM

I personally think that Max is probably laughing his socks off at all Roger's threads, and that is really what we should all be doing.
I bet the < > i / a href and = keys on Roger's keyboard are plumb tuckered out.
Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:21 PM

I received a PM today from Roger advising me that I was full of shit.

Amos -

If you are going to go against the convention here of NOT making PMs public - perhaps you could either describe this personal message more accuratly or post it in full.

What I posted privately to Amos - was just what had already been posted publicly in this thread. Which was -

As our nameless guest said.

Martin Gibson would tell you that you are all full of shit.


This in a PM with the title of Smiles - may suggest that Amos has not only lost his sense of humour - but also that what he tries to suggest is the case to our forum - may be just as unreliable as his ability to read his PMs. One ability which I would suggest - has been demonstrated to be 'MINIMAL' *Smiles*


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 02:43 PM

My short, simple answer was totally serious. ~~~yes~~~ means that I, as well as most others, seem to think the editing IS minimal and not troubling.

Bill the answer you gave to the first question you first quoted was plainly absurd. The answer you have just given (above) to your own different question - may be worthy of being taken slightly more seriously by our forum but it was not the answer to the question actually being asked – was it? As quoted by you and then answered by you in the following post……

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D - PM
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

"Can the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as minimal?"

~~~~yes~~~~

---------------------------------------------------------------
Bill If you do seriously expect our forum to accept that you do consider this ABILITY (to impose at will) is the minimum – perhaps you could tell us what you (or we) could possibly consider to be the maximum ABILITY? Perhaps the ABILITY to delete the whole post - before it even gets posted – or the ABILITY to go out and shoot the posters before they can even write it?

The ABILITY for anonymous volunteer posters impose their judgement upon offensive and abusive personal attacks is one thing – the ABILITY to do this when these elements are not a factor cannot be described seriously by anyone – except perhaps Stalin (or Bill D) – as a minimal ability.

That you may consider the current EXERCISE of this ABILITY on our forum is minimal – is one thing but it is not the same thing as saying you consider the ABILTY itself to be minimal. That is what Amos stated. The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal

Should being given the ABILITY to impose your personal judgement upon your fellow posters on our forum - be always recognised as the being given the maximum power possible? That this ABILITY now appears to be thought minimal and taken and exercised so lightly – is a serious concern for any poster who understood that the freedom to have one's words appear as posted on our forum (as long as these words were not offensive etc) was a given right.   

But it only needs one anonymous volunteer fellow to use this ABILITY when it is clearly seen to be personally motivated and selective – to discredit all the good work of our volunteers and the whole credibility of our forum.

A factor made even worse by the automatic justification and defence of this action – mainly by those who feel they will always be safe from such imposition. And just as importantly – the publicly encouraged reaction against any poster who is unfortunate to be subject to it and is foolish enough to request a different approach to be adopted.

Can we all just agree to return to being – 'fellow posters' again – drink the good wine together again and not just be given the dregs and pretend to ourselves that it really tastes just as good as the vintage use to?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

Help, help, I'm being opressed!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 03:04 PM

Just because nobody's getting at you doesn't mean you can't feel paranoid if you want to.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 03:52 PM

"Can we all just agree to return to being – 'fellow posters' again – drink the good wine together again and not just be given the dregs and pretend to ourselves that it really tastes just as good as the vintage use to?" The Shambles

I can, if you can, Roger. Let's.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:24 PM

From the DSM-IV Glossary of Specific Defense Mechanisms and Coping Styles. (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition.)

help-rejecting complaining: The individual deals with emotional conflict or stressors by complaining or making repetitious requests for help that disquise covert feelings of hostility or reproach toward others, which are then expressed by rejecting the suggestions, advice, or help others offer.

Also see definitions for delusion, ideas of reference, delusion of reference and overvalued idea, all found in the DSM-IV's Glossary of Technical Terms.

Roger probably can not make use of the help many are trying to offer--that is offering him the view of less distorted roadmaps of reality.

Me--I like hamsters.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:12 PM

*breaking resolution briefly for clarification*

ABILITY??? I see....someone **MIGHT** get carried away and decide to edit or censor me. Well, I'll chance it. Can't see how the ABILITY to edit can be made partial, anyway. And Joe says that he & Jeff can always UNdelete a thread or overrule editing if the need arises.....so I'll live with it.

*back to resolution mode*


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:49 PM

I have the ability to go down to the local sporting-goods store and buy a pistol or rifle, and then I'd have the ability to walk up and down my street shooting at the neighbors' cats. Doesn't mean I ever would. Why would anyone ever care enough to edit/censor a routine discussion thread such as this one or its precursor, even as silly as they have gotten?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:50 PM

Oops...back to the HTML practice page......

no worries:-)..fixed it for ya...just another joe clone


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:21 PM

Why would anyone ever care enough to edit/censor a routine discussion thread

Don't kid yourself there. In any place where posts are made, an opinion can be given that an "editor" does not like, eg. if you posted telling me what a nice honest chap Tony Blair is, a temptation within me if I had the power might say "delete that crap". Could happen to clones here if things got personal at them, etc.

The thing is if you are doing that sort of work which you have been entrusted to do, you leave any personal feeling out of it, Whether you care or not is irrelevant, Whether you are woking in line with site policy is relevant.

It's not about whether a person might care enough or not but whether they can distance feelings enough to do thier duty, a duty which could mean letting something stand you want to delete or deleting something you want to let stand. One trusts that people they appoint to carry out such tasks are up to that.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:44 AM

And editing thread names for clarity, what's wrong with that?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:49 AM

And STILL the persecutors of innocent hamsters go unpunished!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:54 AM

Someone told me this hamster thread was back from all the drift and I see that it is. LH, point dastardly doers out and we'll organize a protest rally... a real big PITH up.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 09:24 AM

I found this funny, but the I've always had an oddball sense of humour
Stress any syllable
G. ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 09:48 AM

MY hamsters are retired since Windows 3.1 was replaced and they no longer have to power the system! They are happily converting old cardboard tubes to mulch and looking over my shoulder as I read them "Happy Hamster" threads and tell them scary stories of how hard they'd need to run to keep up with 500+ threads about nothing in particular!

"Be good", I tell them, "or I'll make you run the wheel while I read ALL of Shambles posts!"


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:00 AM

By the way – In reference to Joe Offer's claim in the above linked post - that I have compared him with Hitler - I put The Shambles - Joe Offer and Hitler in the advance search and the only post that came-up was the following. (Shambles)

By the same silly procedure you could also claim that you never have called anyone a witchfinder, for a search with 'The Shambles' and 'witchfinder' only brings up two posts by Micca and a GUEST and none by you.

You did a search that could not find what it claimed to search for. A spurious argument was the consequence.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:01 AM

It is also a verb:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shambling


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:03 AM

Some feel that a spurious argument is better than no argument at all... ;-)

In fact, I know thousands of people who feel that way! My town is full of such people.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:06 AM

"Some feel that a spurious argument is better than no argument at all... ;-)"

I know that kind of logic!
"The exception proves the rule...consequently, the more exceptions, the better the rule!"


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:18 AM

Hey Bill, that would be a great weight loss plan. From now on, any time I spend reading/composing this stuff-- it's out for a walk of at least equal length!

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

Then too, there are specious arguments. I find those more compelling, on the whole, than spurious arguments. This is where George Bush needs help. He has shown great mastery of the spurious, but only a vague grasp of the specious.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 12:56 PM

Susan...I have a GREAT exercise program....I have just linked it to my memory. The more I forget, the more I get to run back & forth and up & downstairs!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jeffp
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:00 PM

Bill, that's too true to be funny! Townhouse living is for the young.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:06 PM

I always say, "My head will never save my legs" as I go back into the room I just left for the umpteenth time for whatever it was I went in there for in the first place!
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:19 PM

You did a search that could not find what it claimed to search for.

Amongst many claims made about me here by Joe Offer - that have proved to be untrue - he has additionally claimed that I have compared him to Hitler. As far as I can recall - I have not posted such a claim. I did the search to see if I could find a post where I may have done this - and I posted the result of that search.

If I ever did post such a comparison - I am sure Wolfgang that you will be able to find it for us.......


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:24 PM

you have several times made comparisions between the editing of Joe and the clones to the rise of the Nazi party. You may have never actually compared Joe to Hitler - but that certainly was what most people would infer from your comments.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:27 PM

Boy, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill! LOL!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:27 PM

Is he a monorchid then?
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:38 PM

Shambles / The Shambles (Click on 'History')
The way that fifteenth century buildings lean into the middle of the cobbled street means that the roofs almost touch in the middle So you could say The Shambles is 'over the top'

It is also interesting to notice the way the pavements on either side of the street are raised up, this was done to create a channel which the butchers would wash away their waste through; offal and blood would gush down Shambles twice weekly. And spouts all sorts of offal rubbish!

Nigel


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 02:22 PM

Just click on his name in any message he's posted, and you will receive a complete collection of everything Shambles has said on Mudcat. And not one word of it has been deleted, except for some of his more glaring duplications.
Joe Offer


The above statement posted on our forum (in a conventional post and not an editing comment and for the second time) is not true. I have asked for an apology and received the following reply – this time in an editing comment.

Yes, Roger, if you posted to one of those general brawl threads or Spam threads that was deleted, then your message was deleted along with it. That happened with a number of Martin Gibson threads, because it was impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you wish to have copies of any of those messages, I will gladly send them to you, suitable for framing. I didn't find any of them just now - but if you tell me where they are....I didn't know you were in the habit of posting to Martin Gibson and Spam threads.[sigh]

And this again in an editing comment.

OK, Roger. I am so sorry for whatever you require me to be sorry for; and at the same time, I am especially sorry for whatever else I'm supposed to be sorry for. Does that make you happy? I DO want you to feel good about this.
....or was it Mmario or Big Mick or katlaughing or Catspaw that was supposed to be sorry? I'm so confused. What thing? What past?
Who cares?
-Joe Offer-


And this again in an editing comment.

No, Roger. I see no need to apologize. I haven't found any of your words that were deleted, although I concede that one or two of your 8,362 posts may have been deleted, if they were in a thread that was deleted. I did a quick check, and found none. It's not an all-encompassing check, but a quick check shows nothing. You're back to quoting out-of-context remarks from 2003 - comments that make very good sense when read in context. You've gone looney again. It's time to go back into your hole. Goodbye, Roger.
Maybe you just don't get it. It's worthwhile to respond to you when you're reasonably rational, when you address an actual issue. When you resort to two-year-old, out-of-context quotations and ad hominem attacks and one-in-a-million situations, you've gone too far, and there's no reasoning with you. Then it's not fun any more. Go hibernate, and come back when you're ready to be rational.

-Joe Offer-


It is quite obvious that Joe Offer has no idea how many or whether my words have been deleted or not. He does not now - seem very interested in correctly informing our forum – and he is still not prepare to apologise for wrongly but emphatically informing our forum – not once but twice – in reference to my postings that not one word of it has been deleted.

If remember correctly - Joe was quite pleased with the idea of being The Witchfinder General.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 02:27 PM

1. RE: Auschwitz and other mass murder - Jan 30 2005 3:42AM
"None of these actions will have changed the fact that this post (and possibly others) will have been placed on this forum open to the public.

Attempts by the Nazi's and others - to rewrite history are rightly being critised here, so are their attempts to limit individual freedoms, silence any opposing views and ultimately take total control through these methods. For these to succeed not only will have good folk done nothing to prevent it - many other good folk will have actively supported these methods - and for what they consider (or are told to consider) are the very best reasons....

Many posts here express how difficult it is to understand how we do these terrible things to our fellow human beings. If we are to ever understand this and most importantly to stop doing it - it is vital that we first enable all views to be expressed - no matter how offensive we may think them to be. I would go further and say that the more we all agree how offensive these views are - the more important it is that we ensure that they remain for all to see..... "



2. Subject: RE: BS: PBS to Censor Auschwitz Documentary
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 05:11 PM

Again this preoccupation with the exact word for evil regimes. As if it really matters.

If you get bitten by a poisonous creature - and you wish to survive - it may be very important to know exactly what the species was - so as to be able use the correct anti-serum.

But other than that - debates about which one is more venomous than others matter little. As is probably enough to lump them together as posionous creatures and do your very best to avoid any contact with them or avoid creating any situations where these poisonous creatures can use their venom.

Any bite from any dictator is probably just as bad as a bite from a fascist dictator.....


I think this level of censorship is well-intended and perfectly acceptable..........


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 02:34 PM

It's not my task to find anything here, Shambles. I just did point out that your search could not find what it claimed and that therefore your argument based upon that search was faulty.

You posted the misleading information, you may correct it after doing the search correctly. If you don't know what you have done wrong after all those years here, PM me and I'll tell you.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 03:45 PM

Yes, do that, Shambles. I have PM'd Wolfgang on numerous occasions, and he always responds in an erudite, polite, and totally informative manner. Wolfgang is a person whom one can PM with absolute confidence of receiving a satisfying response.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 04:45 PM

While you're at it there Shamballess......Why not PM MAX along with Wolfgang? Oh yeah, I forgot......Max won't give you a satisfying response will he?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 05:47 PM

.... oh, yeah ..... by the way ...... it ain't our forum. We just use it. It's Max's. Just pointing out your use of a very old tactic. When you need a false premise upon which to build your arguments, you just say it enough times until it is perceived to be true. Guys like you are champs at this.

Did you ever do the two things Spaw asked? I didn't think so. That would provide truth, and we can't be having that, now can we?

Now, let's see ..... I believe we were on the fallow fellow performing fellatio on the fawning faerie flexing in the field.........

Mick


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 06:51 PM

This is just getting too funny. Shambles, I'm so very very sorry for everything I've done. (just thought I should apologize too)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 07:03 PM

I'm as sorry as I can be.

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:37 AM

Yeah. As for me, I'm almost ready to commit ritual suicide over some of the thoughtless things I've said...

But first I have to complete my Winona Ryder picture collection.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 04:18 AM

Sorry just isn't the word!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 04:57 AM

Let's spell it out for you.

1) "Yes, Roger, if you posted to one of those general brawl threads or Spam threads that was deleted, then your message was deleted along with it. That happened with a number of Martin Gibson threads, because it was impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you wish to have copies of any of those messages, I will gladly send them to you, suitable for framing. I didn't find any of them just now - but if you tell me where they are....I didn't know you were in the habit of posting to Martin Gibson and Spam threads.[sigh]"

2) "OK, Roger. I am so sorry for whatever you require me to be sorry for; and at the same time, I am especially sorry for whatever else I'm supposed to be sorry for. Does that make you happy? I DO want you to feel good about this.
....or was it Mmario or Big Mick or katlaughing or Catspaw that was supposed to be sorry? I'm so confused. What thing? What past?
Who cares?
-Joe Offer-"

3) "No, Roger. I see no need to apologize. I haven't found any of your words that were deleted, although I concede that one or two of your 8,362 posts may have been deleted, if they were in a thread that was deleted. I did a quick check, and found none. It's not an all-encompassing check, but a quick check shows nothing. You're back to quoting out-of-context remarks from 2003 - comments that make very good sense when read in context. You've gone looney again. It's time to go back into your hole. Goodbye, Roger.
Maybe you just don't get it. It's worthwhile to respond to you when you're reasonably rational, when you address an actual issue. When you resort to two-year-old, out-of-context quotations and ad hominem attacks and one-in-a-million situations, you've gone too far, and there's no reasoning with you. Then it's not fun any more. Go hibernate, and come back when you're ready to be rational.
-Joe Offer-"

1) Joe is saying that if you posted to an MG or spam thread the message is gone. So if you remember how many times you posted to whatever many of those threads, you've got the number right there.

2) Is irrelevant.

3) No WORDS in your posts were deleted, but some posts have gone along with entire threads. See #1.
The advice is still good.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 05:01 AM

Sorry - seems to be the hardest word.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 10:24 AM

Brevity already!! Now there's a new side to Roger that I didn't suspect he posessed.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 10:28 AM

To quote an old friend of mine, DANG!

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:00 AM

Hey! Hey, FLIPhead!!! Have I, like, got yer full attenshun here?



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DELETE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



(holdin'up my middle finger in yer flippin' direction)

And if I knew flippin' HTML I would have put it in red letters 5 feet high.

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,G
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:29 AM

I just finished reading this thread for the first time (speed read type so I could have missed something but I doubt it).

With regard to this thread;

1. Why?
2. Does anyone know the quandry? (Quoting Amos)
3. What has been resolved?
4. Hamsters are hurting.
5. My head is hurting.
6. Harpgirl has no patience.
7. Much ado about nothing?
8. World hunger could have been resolved with the effort expended   
   here.
9. But........probably better than watching TV.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:32 AM

Only marginally...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:42 AM

It's not about whether a person might care enough or not but whether they can distance feelings enough to do thier duty, a duty which could mean letting something stand you want to delete or deleting something you want to let stand. One trusts that people they appoint to carry out such tasks are up to that.

What happens at the point when it is perfectly clear from the evidence - that it would be very unwise to place your trust in these people's ability to do this?

And when it is also clear from the evidence - that they are not up to such tasks - but when it is also quite clear that they still intend not only to continue to expect that trust - but to insist and demand that trust is given to them?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:51 AM

Earth to Roger? Earth to Roger?

We can hear him, but he can't hear us.

Ohmygawd, he's got the hampsters!!!!

J.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:54 AM

And when it is also clear from the evidence What evidence?- that they are not up to such tasks - but when it is also quite clear that they still intend not only to continue to expect that trust - but to insist and demand that trust is given to them?

You miss the entire point again Shambles - the matter of trust is between the volunteers and Max - not the volunteers and the posters. This is Max's site; he chose the people who volunteer their time and efforts - and he is satisfied with their work.

Any other point is moot.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM

Does anyone wish to answer the following?

1. Who are 'The Clone Department' now?

2. How many of them are there now?

3. Is it really so helpful or proportionate now - for any of these fellow posters to have the choice of being anonymous?



Now that we seem to eventually have some agreement on this thread that the ablity for one poster to anonymously impose their words upon a fellow poster cannot be dismissed as 'minimal' - perhaps some agreement could also be made about when our forum feels the exercise of such imposition is proportionate and by whom?

At the moment our volunteer fellow poster's understanding is - when ever they wish to. Do you consider this to be this proportionate or desirable on our forum?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:14 PM

1) no one's business except Max's

2) No one's business except Max's

3) Max does not require them to reveal themselves - therefore they don't have to.

perhaps some agreement could also be made about when our forum feels the exercise of such imposition is proportionate and by whom?

The forum has no say in the matter. Nor do the posters on the forum. The site belongs to Max. max has already made the decision by granting the clones the rights to edit.


At the moment our volunteer fellow poster's understanding is - when ever they wish to. I highly doubt it. Evidence? ANY evidence?

Do you consider this to be this proportionate or desirable on our forum? this question has no relavance whatsoever except as a theoretical supposition. Expecially since it is preceeded by several erroneous statements.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:27 PM

Well, perhaps some clarification would be useful. Is a volunteer fellow poster the same as a "Joe Clone." Or am I/we somehow being compelled to post? And who really cares who they are and how many of them there are? Or is there some supressed need to compose a song about Joe Offer and the Seven...Nine...Eight-Six...Clones? Should we give them name? After all, most people hear use something other than their real name. How about Bashful, Shy, Anonymouse, Timid, Pseudonomious and so forth? Any maybe, as they are imposing their unrestrained will upon innocent posters, they can change the poster's name to something appropriate.....Grumpy, perhaps?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:57 PM

Shambles, what part of what MMario said do you not understand? It is quite clear to most of us that this site belongs to Max. We have NO say in how it is run. All we have is the freedom to leave. Enough already!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Yawn
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 01:06 PM

...it is perfectly clear from the evidence that it would be very unwise to place your trust in these people's ability to do this?

...it is also clear from the evidence - that they are not up to such tasks -


He thinks if he keeps on saying things like this over and over again, that we will start to accept it as fact. The fact is there is NO evidence, and it is NOT perfectly clear - only in his obsessed mind. The rest of us, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY - MAX, seem to be quite happy with the job they are doing. If there are any minor problems, most of us are perfectly content to communicate with them privately.

This guy has only one objective - to make trouble for Joe and the Clones. If he really wanted change, he would communicate with Max, but of course he has proved that he has no intention of doing that.

And so it goes on......and on.........and on.............

I could easily stay away from this thread, but there is a kind of morbid fascination in watching - it's rather like watching an infinite loop of film of a train wreck.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:08 PM

Shambles, what part of what MMario said do you not understand? It is quite clear to most of us that this site belongs to Max. We have NO say in how it is run.

Kendall - It is indeed long been clear that this site belongs to Max and I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.

However this is a part of Max's website that he has very generously set aside for invited contributions from the public and called the Mudcat Discussion Forum. I have some agreement - for my reference to this part of Max's site - as our forum. It is from a very unlikely source - and perhaps you would agree with the both of us?

[PM] Joe Offer BS: Censorship on Mudcat (1009* d) RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat 31 Mar 05

Well, I have to agree with Shambles that Max seems to convey the idea that this is "our" forum. However, it also seems quite clear that very few of us want "our" forum to be taken over by those who would wish to make it a place of combat and chaos.

So, Max appointed some of us to try to keep down the worst of the nastiness. We don't do enough to satisfy some people (Clinton Hammond, for example), and we do too much to satisfy Shambles.

So, we continue to stumble along what we see as the middle path, knowing that we will never satisfy everybody. Such is life.

-Joe Offer-


Our forum is certainly not Joe Offer's and it does not say that it is in the FAQ - yet.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:31 PM

YOu did see that part about "Max appointed"?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:42 PM

The word was 'appointed' - it was not anointed.

The word 'we' used to mean all Mudcatters.

When anyone referred to 'us' it used to mean all Mudcatters.


Any of us who claim to appreciate the fine thing The Mudcat Forum became (and any part they may had played in that) – should feel sad at the needless division that has resulted in a situation where - when these words are now used on our forum – they do not have the same meaning.

Sometimes you first have to recognise and accept that something IS broken - before you can find a way to fix it……..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:46 PM

Roger - you are as guilty as anyone on this forum of using "we" when you actually mean "in my opinion" or "I".

And there have been groups with divergent interests on this forum since before I joined. There is rarely a time when ANYONE on this forum has been able to use "us" to mean "all mudcatters" with confidence.

Sometimes a lone voice calling in the wilderness isn't a prophet - it's just wrong.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 04:22 PM

When Joe Offer now uses the word 'we' he does not mean all of us - does he? Whatever our differences - do you not think this is now rather sad?

MMario all I am 'guilty' of is holding, trying to express (in my own words) and evidencing a view that may be different to yours on a discussion forum generously set up for that very purpose on Max's website.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 04:26 PM

LMAO at Roger's answers............The boy has more shit than a Christmas goose!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 04:29 PM

Roger - you must consider context.

And while you may feel you are carrying on a discussion - you will note from many peoples posts on this and your other threads that the majority of people who comment consider that you are carrying on a pointless repetitious diatribe.

Those questions that can be answered for you have been answered. those questions that have not been answered the owner of the site has requested be discussed off forum, privately. Yet you continue to bring them up here.

That is not discussion. It doesn't even begin to resemble discussion.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:18 PM

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:08 PM

...

... I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.


Now I've seen everything! There is nothing to say, after a statement like that. Oh I know more will BE said, but really! This is too much!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 06:32 PM

Shambles says:
    I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.


Oh, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy!
How I've longed for this day!!!

Thank you so much, Shambles. Now we can all go about our business without all your lecturing.

I hope you enjoyed my story in the other thread. I made up the part about HappyGirl to add a little sexual tension to the story. She doesn't really love you - but sex sells, you know.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 07:02 PM

If Max was not happy with the work of the clones he would take away their ability to make changes. As he hasn't I, for one, can only assume that he has no problem with what is being done.

From the posts here and on the complaint thread it is clear that the MAJORITY of posters to these threads are of the same opinion. Those who have not posted clearly are not bothered either way, otherwise they would have read the threads and posted to them.

Democracy is a wonderful thing, isn't it!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 07:58 PM

Roger, as a clone, I feel compelled to answer your questions.

1. Who are 'The Clone Department' now?

None of your friggin' busininess

2. How many of them are there now?
None of your friggin' business

3. Is it really so helpful or proportionate now - for any of these fellow posters to have the choice of being anonymous?
This is also none of your friggin' business, but the answer is "yes"

I also feel compelled to say I am sorry, so here goes.

I am sorry that you ever showed up here.

Further, I am sorry that you are allowed to keep this nonsense going.

Finally, I am sorry that you don't quit and leave in peace.

Mick


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 08:27 PM

Seems to me if we knew who all the clones were, it would simply lead to a lot of personal attacks instead of general pissing and moaning.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 08:48 PM

I don't give a hoot who the clones are or how many of them there are. They are needed. If I didn't like this place, I wouldn't come here.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 09:53 PM

Many years ago on an endlessly long drive during which my brothers and I incessently whined "Are we there yet?", my grandmother introduced Monkey in the Courthouse.
"Monkey in the Courthouse
Monkey wants to speak
Speak, monkey, speak!"

It worked on the under ten crowd. Should work here.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 10:49 PM

In similar fashion, when I was a child, my mother introduced my sisters and me to the "the last one to speak is a rotten egg" game. Since no one wanted to be a rotten egg, persumably everyone would stop talking.

But sometimes it's so hard to stop talking when you're told to. And apparently it's hard to stop 'talking' when you haven't anything of substance to say.

Maybe the next time 'someone' talks who keeps saying the same thing over and over and over again, one of us should bring out the kids games.

If the monkey in the courthouse game doesn't get'em, then maybe the rotten egg game will. After all, we're all still kids at heart.

And some of us are more so than others.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,615
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:12 PM

OK - The next one to post is a rotten egg !!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:08 AM

Seems to me if we knew who all the clones were, it would simply lead to a lot of personal attacks instead of general pissing and moaning.

Kendall - most of the abusive personal attacks, pissing and moaning are currently coming from the volunteer fellow posters that are known to us (and those that post to blindly support them). Joe Offer, Mick, jeri and kat etc do not appear to be being responded to in in kind - do they?

The anonymous ones could be chipping in too - but we would not know this.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:00 AM

I'm distressed at the blatant discrimintation against gerbils in this thread. Gerbils are just as sweet as hamsters (with or without 'P') and have the benefit of nigh on perpetual motion, something your average hamster can barely even dream of.

A computer powered by gerbil goes faster than any Broadband or super duper highway. I just wish the cats wouldn't eat them so quickly.

Oh and a direct quote from Shambles from one of his first few posts here.....

"End of......... "

Oh how we wish.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:14 AM

Well Liz that seems only fair, after all look what the Desert Rats did to Rommel; I think it's the long back legs that make the difference myself.
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:22 AM

Roger, I don't need to know who the clones are. If one has a complaint one takes it up with Joe Offer, if that doesn't work, Max. Would you also like the address, phone number and CV of the Clones?
The way you rip into Joe, I can't blame the Clones for wanting annonimity.
Joe is contributing generously of his time and patience to help run this place, leave him alone, find something else to fill your time.
You are a master of taking things out of context.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 06:48 AM

GUEST,615's post started the rotten egg game.

I guess it's fitting that Shambles was the next person who posted on this thread and thus was the winner of that game.

PEE-YEW!!!
[This is the expression that my sisers and I directed toward the person who won].

But then again, since Shambles is so serious about his convoluted concerns, he probably had no thought about playing that game.

What a shame.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 06:48 AM

Shables says: "most of the abusive personal attacks, pissing and moaning are currently coming from the volunteer fellow posters that are known to us ".

Wrong, Roger! Blatantly, obviously and hypocritically wrong. For example, most of the moaning in this thread has come from your not-as-good-as-you'd-have-us-think-self. And most of the abusive personal attacks too, though couched in defensive-aggressive terms. Being told to shut up is not an abusive personal attack; inferring that someone is a liar, is!

I also have made some abusive remarks towards you, which you gladly accepted - at least you did not even try to defend yourself against my accusations. So here goes another one:

You are a hypocritical sod and a megalomaniac who seeks to improve his own standing by attacking the volunteer organisers of this forum. You are malicious and vindictive, unable to stomach perceived slights from 4 years ago. You are also a crashing bore, inarticulate but voluminous and repetitious in your writings.

There. I put it in bold in case you missed that, so now you can get my details from the "members" section, and sue me for libel.

Oh yes - you 'll do that after you PM Max, of course. Like, never.

Because those are open and fair battles you know you cannot win, you COWARD.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 06:59 AM

Joe Offer says.

Shambles says:
I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.


MMario says.

Roger - you must consider context.

What was said in full was -

Kendall - It is indeed long been clear that this site belongs to Max and I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.

However this is a part of Max's website that he has very generously set aside for invited contributions from the public and called the Mudcat Discussion Forum.


Joe Offer also says.

Well, I have to agree with Shambles that Max seems to convey the idea that this is "our" forum. However, it also seems quite clear that very few of us want "our" forum to be taken over by those who would wish to make it a place of combat and chaos.

My view is that it is partly this unrealistic fear of our forum being 'taken over' has led to the current situation where 'combat and chaos' is now the norm. It must be clear now to many on our forum - that the main aim of those whose impossible wish is to control every aspect of the postings of others - is not any any cost - to lose that control - whatever 'combat and chaos' may be the result. But when combat is the only tactic inconsitently used by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - chaos is the only possible result

Currently (known and possibly unknown) representitives of the site's owner now think it acceptable to make abusive personal attacks and name-call upon those who Max has invited to contribute - simply because their views are different - when their role is supposedly to protect our forum from abusive personal attacks and name-calling.

Who protects us all from abusive personal attacks when they emanate from those who volunteer to protect us?

Kendall - why would making known the names of the currently unknown volunteer fellow posters thought to be a problem? Why is there this assumption of combat? If Max's so-called representitives were not seen to initiate combat - and fire the first shots at the contributions of their fellow posters. By imposing their persoanal judgement upon their words at will - without the originator's knowledge or permission - there is a very good chance that peace may eventually break-out on our forum.

But that would not do would it? For then there would be no need or justification to have any anonymous or known volunteers to impose their judgement upon the words of fellow posters in order to supposedly protect fellow posters. And there would be a grave danger that certain of this number may feel they will lose control and have to resort once again to shaping our forum only by their contributions.   

I am tired of the 'combat and chaos' that this gang of anonomous volunteer fellow posters now increasing impose. Whilst presenting the option to fellow posters to stop posting to our forum - if they do not like what this gang have turned our forum into by imposing and encouraging all these needless personal judgements.

I am also tired of the 'combat and chaos' that this anonymous gang clearly have a vested interest in encouraging. If you are tired of reading me (and others saying things this) then please do what you can to help improve the current situation - or just simply ignore it.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:07 AM

Yada-yada-yada, blah, blah, blah, bollocks.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:33 AM

Haven't jumped into this thread before and probably won't again though I've read the whole thing.

I think it's a credit to Max and the Mudcat that this type of exchange can take place in open discussion without censure.

I do, however, regret the hint of rudeness that has crept into the thread. If we must have the debate let's maintain some decorum and respect. Folks wouldn't say some of the things they say here to the person sitting next to them in a bar for fear of a punch on the nose, so no need for it here either.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:39 AM

The way you rip into Joe, I can't blame the Clones for wanting annonimity.

I do not agree with Joe's views and he does not agree with mine. If we were posting equally - that would be fine.

Even though we are not now posting as equals and he (and anonymous others) has shown he has the power to and is more than willing to impose his words upon mine - I do not make abusive personal attacks upon him - call him names and encourage others to do this or respond in kind to those Joe Offer makes on me.

I do not do this to the known volunteer fellow posters (and their supporters) who also make similar public personal attacks and use foul language to do it - so why would making known to our forum - the names of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters place them at any more risk from me (or anyone else)?

But the issue of volunteer fellow posters who may wish to remain anonymous is rather crucial to the refusal by Joe Offer - of my rather simple request - that any proposed change to a poster's words - be first made in request to the thread's originator. For it is a fact that there is no way that an anonymous fellow volunteer could send a PM to a poster (who did use their name) - and remain anonymous.

I suggest the protection of this annonimity - rather than all the other attempted jusifications - is why this simple request is rejected - out of hand - by my volunteer fellow poster.

These anonymous ones do not need your sympathy or any protection from me - for they have the power not only to 'rip into us' but to impose their judgement upon our words - as and when they wish.

Always assuming of course - Le Scaramouche - that you are one of these anonymous ones?

It is also a fact that those who would impose their words upon an orginator's thread title because they may judge the originator has not made it clear or judge it wanting in some way - are not quite so limited. As the lenghth of title they can impose can be longer - as the volunteer fellow poster will be able to use more characters than are available to the originator. A fact that I think makes imposing this judgement even more needlessly unfair and contentious.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:41 AM

Mooman, I can only speak for myself, of course. I am known as a mild-mannered person, but if it was Shambles sitting next to me in the bar, I would say the same things to him. He has earned it, mainly through his covert malice. And he is welcome to punch me on the nose, when I do, as he is welcome to sue me for libel.

With Shambles, I now use language that I didn't even use with Martin Gibson. What can I say - Roger brings out the worst in me; he tests tolerance levels I didn't know that I had... I am not proud of it, but he has earned it.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:42 AM

I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.

Except that.... clearly, as you go on to describe, you do have such a wish.

...the 'combat and chaos' that this gang of anonomous volunteer fellow posters now increasing impose.... the 'combat and chaos' that this anonymous gang clearly have a vested interest in encouraging....

Roger if you honestly believe your own crap, wouldn't this be an urgent enough concern to PM MAX immediately? And for how long have you had this concern, and done nothing but wage a war of words on Max's whole system of site management? Does it make sense to you that a concerrn of that magnitude would not be taken to the site owner at once?

This "gang" you refer to-- you know, they aren't anonymous to MAX. He can yank their chains any time he finds it necessary, individually or severally. He can fire their supervisors. He can handle it however he pleases.

I guess your own internal bullshit detector keeps you from taking this "concern" to Max in the fashion prescribed. I don't think, deep down, you DO believe your own crap about this. I think your arguments, "evidence," and opinions lack credibility even to yourself.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:25 AM

Roger if you honestly believe your own crap, wouldn't this be an urgent enough concern to PM MAX immediately?

Why is there the assumption that I have not contacted Max?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:28 AM

You have been asked repeatedly if you have contacted Max. If you have contacted Max, why is this still being carried out in numerous threads?

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:31 AM

Because Max hasn't given him the answer he wanted?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:36 AM

Well in that case, HAVE YOU, or HAVEN'T YOU? It would help us to judge the strength of your argument if we knew the answer.

Roger, this has been going on for ever, and from the tone of the responses you receive, it's time to put up, or shut up; preferably the latter, as you seem to be a lone complainant, in an otherwise satisfied community.

I'm sorry mate, but this constant drip, drip, drip brings out the worst in me too.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:39 AM

Moo....I love ya' Man.......But bekieve me I would say what I have and more if Shambles were next to me in bar. I would take it for awhile but there comes a point when you call a fool a fool and frankly Roger passed that point some years ago. This whole act he puts on now is just total BS. I would say MORE to him here but it takes too much typing and is a total waste of time and bandwidth....as are his postings. So if the question is would I take this crap from him in person the answer is no. ... Not in a New York minute!

I'm really enjoying the laughs he can get here by using the same tired sstuff over and over and a few phrases are just too much. DOes he think we will roll over his way if he repeats himself ad nauseum. I really like the way he praises Max as if he cares......."the forum Max has 'generously' provided. Yeah......Thanks Max but most websites like this one have forums, Then there is "we who Max has invited to post." Were there engraved invitations? I guess he is so deferential to Max that he wouldn't want to trouble him by complaining but would prefer to ramble on here. ANd of course no matter how many times it's explained, he doesn't seem to comprehend that the Clones are not volunteers and on the net most mods are anonymous for obvious reasons......and if they are not......The site owner wants to have final say and not get into these type of discussions about his moderators. If I have a problem with something a clone has done it makes more sense to contact Max.

Roger, feel free to PM Max at any time. Everyone seems to be on the bandwagon and wants you to talk to Max........what's holding you up? Bandits?

Have some courage of your convictions and prove you're not just a big windbag.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:42 AM

Susan -

You - I know from past experience are not aware of what it is - but there is a difference between a public debate on a discussion forum intended for that very purpose and any form of personal correspondence.

Most of us do know and respect this difference and would not place any personal correspondence on a public forum and would not make themselves look foolish by making any public demands for anyone else to do this.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:47 AM

Of course I am aware of the distinction. Only in your case-- which you have made unique in the annals of Mudcat-- do people ask you about this. Your past posts have indicated you prefer this public attack to the requested private approach or the Help Forum approach.

It's you who make yourself foolish in front of the community.

You like to "defend" the Mudcat you know and love. Yours is not the only view of Mudcat, nor the only one worth "defending." You violate my sense of what Mudcat's finest is, on a regular basis.

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:48 AM

Roger - you obviously don't know the difference between a debate and a whine. You also seem unable to qoute in context and refuse to answer questions. You also refuse to follow established procedure as laid down by the site owner. You coat all this will your "right to free speech" or some such clap-trap.

You are posting on a private site. You have no rights. Period.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:48 AM

Jaysus, Sham, but you raise bullshit to the level of an art form!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:49 AM

Let me add my response to Mooman's critique re 'you wouldn't say that to his face' Oh yes I would and with knobs on, I am well known for my total lack of tact and my preference for saying what I think, I find it removes the doubt from ones relationships. What's more I might even add an adjective or two.
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:57 AM

Good thing I didn't say anything about the dirty knife!


Cook: (shouting) You bastards! You vicious, heartless bastards! Look what you've done to him! He's worked his fingers to the bone to make this place what it is, and you come in with your petty feeble quibbling and you grind him into the dirt, this fine, honourable Man, whose boots you are not worthy to kiss. Oh... it makes me mad... mad! (slams cleaver into the table)

The whole of Monty Python's - Resturant Sketch can be read on the following...

http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/restrant.htm


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:59 AM

anyone seen the hamsters lately?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,G
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:12 AM

Little Hawk and MMario have the proper insight with regards to this thread - particulary "you are posting on a private site
and have no rights".

1. The Hamsters are still hurting
2. My head is still hurting
3. I can only help myself, not all the Hamsters of the World.
4. Soooooooooo, I will visit with you elsewhere, not here.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:20 AM

I do, however, regret the hint of rudeness that has crept into the thread. If we must have the debate let's maintain some decorum and respect. Folks wouldn't say some of the things they say here to the person sitting next to them in a bar for fear of a punch on the nose, so no need for it here either.

The attempt to return to reasonable debate was welcome but you and I must frequent different pubs than some of my friends here do.....

There used to be no need for such things here - but not too surprisingly given the circumstances - there sadly does now seem to be a need.

Yes - Hang the witch!

This thread does well demonstrate the problem but there are very few real attempts to find a solution. Perhaps this 'combat and chaos' is now the new 'rock and roll' that our forum must now get used to?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,G
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:49 AM

.."visit with you elsewhere" was meant to say not this thread.
The forum is fine, well, okay, and posting to it is on a voluntary basis and at the discretion of the individual.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:54 AM

Gimme an "H"!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:56 AM

"H!"


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:03 AM

*sitting on hands*

I will NOT respond....


(yes, I DID type this with my nose, since you ask)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:06 AM

This thread does well demonstrate the problem but there are very few real attempts to find a solution

I take this to mean that you have NOT contacted Max off this forum? since that is the accepted and established procedure?

Not much anyone else other then you can do about that.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:22 AM

Noted! Different opinians are the spice of life. But I still stand by my point (there it is on my left).

    WW
    O O
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Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:36 AM

Very symbolic Richard, what tartan is that kilt you're wearing?
Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:38 AM

Do I get anything for a post 222? Like a little row of ducks....

LTS


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:52 AM

Dang! I tried to post a llama for liz, but I put it in the wrong thread.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:52 AM

Hi Giok,

Well I suppose it would be Muir or Blackwatch (;>)

But wouldn't you rather see my Aran jumper (thereby giving the thread a spurious folk connection)...

Richard


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:57 AM

Some bloody jumper that, I watched it for 5 minutes and it never moved.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:59 AM

¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:36 AM

I hate these chain letters!
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: kendall
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:42 AM

Old Maine proverb; "The more you stir a turd, the worse it stinks."


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:53 AM

Geeziz Kendall......Is that something you Maine folk have experience at? I mean I've never stirred a turd myself but I'm willing to take your word for it! I suppose it has something to do with the weather. Not much to do in the cold winter so y'all stir a turd every now and again huh? Well to each his own I say!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:55 AM

What type of turd are we talking about. Let's get specific. Moose ? Dog ? Guest ? Cat ? Badger ? Shambles ? Rabbit ?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:10 PM

Monkeys!!!! The whole lot of you!
Kendall, put that stick down and go wash your hands. Liz, put that gerbil down and go wash your hands. Spaw, just go.
m


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:11 PM

Moose, as in Moose Turd Pie, I suppose if it's Maine! (;>)

moo


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:14 PM

Turkey turd beer anyone?

(_) (_) (_) (_)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:17 PM

Sins, don't make me go! It was YOU I was worried about! Did they make you do that when you moved there? Is it some kind of downeast initiation procedure? Stir a turd for Maine or something? Was it gruesome? Come to think of it, does Bush stir turds in Kennebunkport? Or does he just spin Junior and Jeb a few times for the same effect?

So many questions................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:23 PM

LOL...Spaw is un-kinking and returning in fine fettle! WB, Patterson!


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:25 PM

"..Where seldom is stirred - a disparaging turd..."


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:29 PM

some of them stir by themselves... Turdus migratorius


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:31 PM

Quick Maine man, bring me a footstool!
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:34 PM

Turd analogies are just so preposterous......I love 'em!

Back in the mid 70's Ted Turner took a new 12 Meter out for testing name Mariner. This was one of the ugliest Twelves ever built and as is so often true, beauty is speed and ugly is slow and Mariner was dog slow. It had a fair bow but the stern was cutoff square with a trasom alost 90 degrees to the waterline. The designer went into long explanations about the design and how it would just take a little work to get it up to speed.

Turner put in a lot of work and the thing just got slower. Turner went off on the designer and the boat screaming at a press conference that, "Even a turd is tapered at both ends!"

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM

Maine turd stirring practices:-

One starts with dog turds, plentiful and easy to obtain, especially when you are the proud owner of a 90lb yellow lab. This way, if you get it wrong you aren't messing up a good'un.

Once you've got the practice you can go on to woodchuck, chipmunk or skunk. The real prize is to find the moose turds, much prized for their use in pies, second only to blueberry pie in this part of the world.

One has to be able to describe, in as few words as possible, the odour resulting from the stirring process and to grade on a scale of 1 - 10, the extent to which such movement increases the aroma.

If you come and visit we'll take you out to practice the art.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:02 PM

At least with a turd you have a beginning and an end. I'm not sure we can say the same thing for this thread.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:15 PM

Well you all know why a turd is tapered at the end, don't you?
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:19 PM

......but it is starting approximate the same odor.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:34 PM

Say Giok, why is a turd is tapered at the end...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:54 PM

Question: What happened to the spelling cheer that Little Hawk
          started at 9:54am and Guest responded to at 9:56am?

Answer:   We got sidetracked talkin about turds.


So I'm gonna try to revive that cheer again...

Here goes:

"Gimme An "E"!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:00 PM

What are we spelling ?

And say... Where did Harpgirl go ? She started this thread.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:03 PM

Manager: It gets me here. I can't give you any excuses for it - there are no excuses. I've been meaning to spend more time in the restaurant recently, but I haven't been too well ,.. (emotionally) things aren't going very well back there. The poor cook's son has been put away again, and poor old Mrs Dalrymple who does the washing up can hardly move her poor fingers, and then there's Gilberto's war wound - but they're good people, and they're kind people, and together we were beginning to get over this dark patch ... there was light at the end of the tunnel . .. now this . .. now this...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:25 PM

Wesley asked "What are we spelling?"

My response:
Don't start me to lyin. I was just tryin to do my part to move this conversation to some subject that a resonable person could figure out and maybe have a bit of fun with.

So if an "E" doesn't for you, you can buy another vowel.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:29 PM

Hey, Wesley! Did you buy an "a" thereby causing me to spell "reasonable" wrong?

No??

Okay. Then I guess I have to admit that it was a typo.

My bad.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:50 PM

Lemme guess....would it be because the asshole shuts up?


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:51 PM

thread constipation?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:55 PM

But what if the asshole never shuts up?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:57 PM

Ah ha! Possibly and hence the request for an "E".


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 03:06 PM

I had to go and do some recording mixdown on the new album, that's what happened. Geez! Allrighty then...

Gimme an "A"!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: kendall
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 03:25 PM

Down Mongol!! mustn't kill the customers..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 03:53 PM

With turds it's generally the experience that a turd-passing leaves one feeling better. I don't get the impression Sham's make him feel the least bit better, about anything.

The internal contradictions in his posts are coming more often and more clearly-- words left out that, because they are not included, reverse the meaning of what he says. Posts where all the words are there, but the statements don't reconcile with other statements he's just made or that he makes a few posts later. Statements about the harms done to "all Mudcat" that are soon admitted as perceived harms done only to his own feelings. See for yourself-- it's all coming apart.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:30 PM

"These anonymous ones do not need your sympathy or any protection from me - for they have the power not only to 'rip into us' but to impose their judgement upon our words - as and when they wish.

Always assuming of course - Le Scaramouche - that you are one of these anonymous ones?"

Be afraid, be very afraid......
I'm not a Joe Clone, I've neither the time nor patience to do so, having my hands full moderating several Yahoo groups.
They may have the power to impose themselves upon our words, but have they?

Wasn't the Marxist peasent called Roger too?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:31 PM

Flippin' "A", man!!!!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:47 PM

"M"?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:53 PM

It prevents your arsehole closing with a bang!
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:56 PM

Give me a "S".


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 05:04 PM

I gotta go p.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 05:11 PM

Y? O, Y?


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 05:11 PM

Here I come to save the day!

.... all you ever wanted to know about it, and many things you didn't.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 05:53 PM

ye"S"?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 06:05 PM

You guys* are party poopers!

[* guys" meaning people in general and not gender]

So are we spelling ham---- or not?? Or are we spelling
ham------- or something else???

Oh well, I'll just sit back and see where this weird thread flows.

It beats watching the "fair & balanced" TV news-now that's real crapola.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 06:26 PM

to "Turkey in the Straw"

"A man fell into a septic tank.
Boy, that tank it really stank.
He really couldn't swim inside that tank,
But he went through the movements before he sank"

(with belated thanks, like by 20 years, to Art Thieme)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:39 PM

I object strongly to all this thread creep. Let's get back on topic....

The Shambles is (are) still holding the hamsters (hampsters) hostage up there in space, we still don't know if the airbags worked, and Mick still has not posted a picture of himself done up as Dulcinea. How in the world can you think that Maine moose sh*t, blueberry pie or torpedo shaped dog turds have any bearing (baring) (burying-oops--that would be cat turds not moose turds) on the plight of rodents in general, or hampsters, gerbils, or the Mudcat in particular!

(He may have kidnapped harpgirl--either that or they were in cahoots cuz she disappeared even before the hampsters.)

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 08:50 PM

It's okay Janie.....Take all the time you want to figure it out. Or take all the turds you can stand.......Gets a bit odiferous but, uh........Hey! Stand? Gets?

Tall and tan and young and lovely
The girl from Ipanema goes walking
And when she passes, each one she passes goes.....Ahhhhh.


Sorry... Had an Antonio Carlos Jobim moment there at the mention of Stan Getz.......Ya' know when you read the words to that, you have to ask, was the girl from Ipanema getting ooooo's and ahhh's or was she walking down the beach farting? Which brings us back to the turds....

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:09 PM

Don't forget the bed bugs. And btw, why do people say "crazy as bedbugs" or is it just me that says that?

Sometimes I wonder as I wander [which is from some song or the other. I couldn't have just made it up, I don't think [and that's a problem-the not thinking part, not the wandering part].

But just to add some culture to this mix and mash, speaking of wandering, the word "griot" that became known as a result of the "Roots" TV series usually translates as "wandering minstrel" and is a referent for the West African hereditary class of musicians/singers/historians. But "griots" is a French term and the African title used for this class of performing artists {male & female}in Senegal and The Gambia is "djaliba" or "jali". [source some books and some people from those cultures who I met up with along the way].

And now back to the poop...and the hampsters...and the kidnapping of Harpgirl {???!!!} and the spelling...

and whatever else happens happens.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:22 PM

Squirrels are subject to lengthy bouts of exasperation.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:31 PM

Crazy as a shithouse rat.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:32 PM

Did you know if you delouse a hedgehog it gets withdrawal symptoms?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:34 PM

And if you take cranberries and stew them like prunes, they taste much more like applesauce than rhubarb does.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:34 PM

Please jacqui not my LAWWWWNNNNN!!!!!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:44 PM

did I miss something??

sIx


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:50 PM

Not a thing sIx..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:32 PM

Well Jerry, that's not exactly true. We had a riveting and informative discussion of Maine turds, their use and the proper way to stir them for maximum odiferous effect. Other questions have arisen regarding subjects as diverse as African word meanings, the lyrics of Antonio Carlos Jobim, and of course the personality of hedgehogs in withdrawal. All of these are for more enlightening and entertaining than the original subject of this thread.....whatever it was.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:47 PM

Stirring turds? That's another expression for "training the dolphin to dive for chocolate", isn't it?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:08 PM

Sins - you have to accept that if you live in Maine your lawn is likely to be used for turd stirring sessions.

Live with it lady.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:58 PM

I gotta confess--as I read back through this thread my conscience begins to bother me.

I have had some fun and laughs at the expense of becoming persecutory and abusive. I know that Roger has been persecutory, irrational and unreasonable toward the clones many times--but that doesn't make it ok to do the same. I have been just plain mean. It is a little disconcerting to realize that I have been having fun at some one else's expense.

Roger, FWIW, I think you owe the clones and some others apologies for victimizing them. But that call is for you to make. AND, two wrongs don't make a right. I owe you an apology. I'm sorry to have contributed to the ridicule.

In truth, Roger doesn't much bother me because 1. He has never directed his attention toward me, and 2. I don't read his posts-- historically I just skip over threads I see he has posted to a number of times. I do this in part because he obviously has some problems with reality testing, and in part because of the rancor that so often gets generated. He may start it, but it takes the rest of us to jump in. And jump in I did.

And in this instance it wasn't even Roger who decided to start the pot boiling--it was harpgirl. Why she wanted to get something going is beyond me--she is too smart to have begun this unwittingly--but the rest of us, Roger included, picked up our own spoons and started stirring.

I think it fitting that I close with the following: We have seen the enemy, and we are sh*t. (*BG*)

Janie the Party Pooper


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:17 AM

Meanwhile, back at the ranch -

Of course, you've heard about the man who went swimming in the sea near a sewerage outfall - he kept going through the motions - under-turd.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 01:55 AM

Man, this is more exciting than the Perils of Pauline!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 02:11 AM

I know that Roger has been persecutory, irrational and unreasonable toward the clones many times--but that doesn't make it ok to do the same.

That you KNOW this to be the case is interesting as you also say...

In truth, Roger doesn't much bother me because 1. He has never directed his attention toward me, and 2. I don't read his posts-- historically I just skip over threads I see he has posted to a number of times.

But your move from finding posting to be "persecutory and abusive" to something more in the spirit of the traditional Mudcat spirit BC (before Catspaw) - if genuine - is to be welcomed.

Perhaps some evidence to support the claims of these alleged persecutory, irrational and unreasonable posting towards anyone here from me can be provided?

However - there has been much evidence provided here of persecutory, irrational and unreasonable behaviour from our volunteer fellow posters. This in the form of personal attacks - name calling - offensive language and general bullying towards their fellow posters and as this is setting an example for others to follow - there is no sign that this 'combat and chaos' is going to stop.

Where is any evidence that I have responded in kind to these abusive personal attacks that are now encouraged to be publicly made against selected fellow posters?

The request is a simple one..... The reaction to this request - which is personal judgement of those making the request and some of it abusive - is as unhelpful as it is now sadly predictable.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 04:15 AM

The subject has changed, Shambles; we're talking about turds now.

Oh wait!... you've always been talking shit.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:20 AM

For all those who wish to spell 'turd'.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:31 AM

I see yet another imposed thread closure.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84039&messages=2

I am sure will see no complaints about this imposition from the originator of this thread or perhaps they will now express a less charitable view of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters?

Yes, Rog-o, as you can see it was redundant and covered by this thread. And no one was talking turds over there, so I exercised editorial control so that we can talk about turds. Stay on subject please. Mudelf


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:28 AM

I have no reason to want to spell turd so this thread will continue to work for our purposes of simply stirring and stinking. I can already spell turd. See? Turd.

Since Maine seems to have a real thing going with the turd stirring and the pie, I need to ask if there is a corresponding group of other desserts? Or, like in Mince Meat, are there any main course selections in this category?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:34 AM

Beaver Delight perhaps 'Spaw?

moo


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:50 AM

Come to think of it, I have never seen beaver shit. I suppose, after a nice long sleep in the lodge, and, given the fact that they eat some of the roughest roughage there is, there isn't much chance of making it to dry land. I wonder if they have a "designated area" or if they just castor wherever.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:53 AM

Beaver Delight? Oh my, my good Mooman!!!

Certainly more interesting than turd recipes!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:58 AM

Some of my thoughts on the merits of thread drift:

If a topic becomes redundant,[as the original topic of this thread was IMO even before this thread began since it had been discussed ad nauseum on previous threads] then it is appropriate for members and guests to attempt to move the conversation to tangential and non-tangential topics which in & of themselves may be interesting, informative, and witty, and may also serve as a heads up to the person who repeats the same points over and over and over again that we got his message thank you very much, we don't agree, and now it's time for a change of subject.


In summation, I believe that positive vibrations can be sent in any number of ways. Purposeful thread drift can be one of those ways.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:59 AM

"Come to think of it, I have never seen beaver shit. I suppose, after a nice long sleep in the lodge, and, given the fact that they eat some of the roughest roughage there is, there isn't much chance of making it to dry land. I wonder if they have a "designated area" or if they just castor wherever."

I HAVE heard a beaver fart! It's kinda' doggy sounding and very distinctive and I might add, quite appropriate. Listen closely outside a lodge and you can hear them farting...........BARK...BARK...BARK

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:09 AM

I personally would have preferred a cleaner and less odorous topic than turds.

Consider if you will the lotus flower.

That beautiful flower emerges from the depths of muddy swamps. And
I have it on good authority-well at least from some Internet sites, that the lotus is the only plant to fruit and flower simultaneously.

Amazing!

See this excerpt:

"[the lotus] is [an ancient Egyptian] symbol of the sun, of creation and rebirth. Because at night the flower closes and sinks underwater, at dawn it rises and opens again. According to one creation myth it was a giant lotus which first rose out of the watery chaos at the beginning of time. From this giant lotus the sun itself rose on the first day. A symbol of Upper Egypt .The lotus flower played a prominent role in the version of the creation story that originated in Heliopolis. Before the universe came into being, there was an infinite ocean of inert water which constituted the primeval being named Nun. Out of Nun emerged a lotus flower, together with a single mound of dry land. The lotus blossoms opened, and out stepped the self-created sun god, Atum, as a child. A slightly different version of the creation story originated in Hermopolis. In that version, the sun god who formed himself from the chaos of Nun emerged from the lotus petals as Ra. The lotus is a flower which opens and closes each day. His history went on to say that the petals of the lotus blossom enfolded him when he returned to it each night.

The lotus flower has been featured extensively throughout the art of ancient Egypt. In various works of art, you may see it held in the hand of a god or human, serving as a border to outline a section of the artwork, unfolding to reveal various gods or humans, and many other depictions. The ancient Egyptians from the 4th dynasty greatly valued the sacred lotus, in religious ceremonies and funerals."
   
For more on the lotus flower, click HERE

-snip-

Another website suggests that people visualize the lotus inside themselves. I guess every body can have symbolic lotus [lotuses?} growing inside us because we all have an excess of mental and emotional and spiritual crapola, even if our physical crapola is well regulated.

Okay, I'm off to try that visualization.

Peace & love,


Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:12 AM

I bow to your superior knowledge and lengthy personal research Spaw. They are trying to re-introduce beaver here in the Scottish highlands, and should I live long enough to see it I shall certainly make a point of listening outside their lodge to hear the sounds you see graphically describe.
All those years without beavers; what a good job we have sheep!

Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:19 AM

So now we have the start of The Maine Menu. All contributions for alternative dishes welcome:

The Maine Menu


Lobster Risque

***

Moose Turd Pie (with real Maine-stirred turds)

***

Beaver Delight

***

Petits Furs and Coffee




Bon appetit!

moo


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:36 AM

And, for a dessert alternative, of course...


Kendall Cake with Sins Sauce


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:46 AM

And Lord knows that Sins can be saucy!!! The Kendall cake can often be a bit dry and crusty though........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:55 AM

299


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:56 AM

300, for what it's worth.....


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: mooman
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:01 AM

The Maine Menu



Lobster Risque

***

Moose Turd Pie (with real Maine-stirred turds)
Bear Rump (donut-free)
(served with vegetables of the day and jacqui potatoes)

***

Beaver Delight
Kendall Cake with Sins Sauce

***

Petits Furs and Coffee

***

A selection of Guest Whines


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:04 AM

Lets not forget - some turkey turd beer to wash it all down.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:06 AM

Many years ago I worked for an Employment Agency where I was allowed to place WOMEN in jobs UNDER $10,000 per year ONLY because...the male counselors needed to earn enough to support families. That they were all single didn't seem to matter.

So, on my first day in the office I had to choose a nom de plume to put in newspaper ads. DIdn't want candidates tracking me down by my real name. The guidelines? A four letter name beginning with the actual first letter of my last name - S.

Given the job, I suggested Mary Shit but they opted for Syms.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:12 AM

... perhaps a down east dingleberry cordial with dessert?

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:31 AM

Years ago I hosted a German couple for a week in a "friendship" exchange between Dusseldorf and Charleston, WV. Wolfgang's English was better than my German which is non-existent, but I was often unclear how much he understood.

Friends came to supper one night, including my friend George who tended to pepper his speech with the phrases 'no shit', 'straight shit' and 'bullshit.' Wolfgang finally stopped him to ask what he meant. We Americans looked around at each other sheepishly, and then began to try to politely tell him what shit is. He stopped us again. He knew what shit was, he wanted clarification on the differences in meaning of no shit, bullshit and straight shit.

Now, I may be full of shit, but I'm here to tell you, my shit don't stink!

J.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:45 AM

Dangleberries and Custard
Shambles Meringue (again)
Kangaroolade (for JennyO)
Poms Dauphinoise (Jenny again)
Tarte au Pongs (Spaw)
Dish of the Dags
Oeuf for Fucks Sake
Duck a L'Orange et Vert

G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:58 AM

Could this possibly segue into the FOABST?

Or Strange Koosine?

But then, that would require a change of thread title from the dreaded Joe Offer.

Yikes!

Best leave it as it is..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:29 AM

For the record, Joe Offer has requested changing the title of a couple of threads that I started, and I agreed that his title was an improvement. I suspect that there are many others that have had the same experience. If there is someone other than Shambles who claims that a title was changed without consultation, I'd like to see them post in this thread.

Much more importantly, I'd like to know if properly grooming a hedgehog requires a hedge clipper..

No hedging on the answer.

In respect for my friend Art..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:45 AM

My relationship with Joe, in his role as site admin, has varied over the years, and I would say from my view of it that this has depended on my own behavior more than anything else.

Sometimes Joe has worked with me before making a change, sometimes he has made the change and explained it privately, sometimes he has made the change and explained it in an editorial insertion, sometimes he's directed a comment at me in a thread post.

In each and every case, I would have to say it was clear that his over-riding priority was the wellbeing of all that Mudcat is to all of us-- all the somtimes-contradictory paradigms people have expressed over time, about what the nature of the site is, to them.

I would also have to say that I think Joe and I both learned how to get along pretty damn well. One reason for this, from my end, is that eventually I learned to have faith that Joe is a feeling, thinking, learning human being. I learned to remind myself that I might see his decisions differently with some hindsight, and that no single decision he makes about my stuff here is actually urgent.

Now, someone made a decision in the last 24 hours about a thread I started yesterday. When I came across it, I disagreed in my feelings, but in my head I agreed comepletely with the decision they implemented, and their explanation of it. I don't need to know who it was, or what else they were thinking or feeling. It's fine with me that they took the action they did.

I sure don't need Shambles "defending" his cause by making an attempt to spin me into the "victim" role along with him.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:59 AM

Admirable posts from both Wyzzy and Jerry but now if y'all could return to the topic of this blown-all-to-hell thread (thankfully) which is now, for better or for worse.......Turd Recipes and the Maine Menu.

Have you got any? Maybe a nice casserole?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:08 AM

I see another Shambles thread appeared and disappeared in double quick time today, no surprise there as it was a bit naughty; fun though!
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:09 AM

Well said, Susan.

Twice, I think, Joe has sent me a PM telling me that he had changed my title in order to make it easier to find later- I agreed completely.

Even reporters on the most major of newspapers have editors.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:15 AM

Why thank you, Spaw.

Alas, I have no really worthy recipes of mine own to share; but be assured that I am collecting the contributions here into a new church cookbook. I hpe to have it ready as a fuindraiser in time for the March '06 Lenten Series (coming sooner than we might think), where each parish hosts one Wednesday evening's worship & dish-to-pass supper.

Let's see tho--

Hardi has a favorite called the Sh*t Sandwhich of Life. The ingredients vary-- whatever comes one's way can go into it. Another winner with him is usually the Mere Mushroom-- feet planted in sh*t and kept in the dark.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:17 AM

In summation, I believe that positive vibrations can be sent in any number of ways. Purposeful thread drift can be one of those ways.

Of course it is another one of these things that if you were rude enough insist on doing to a conversation outside of the skewed world that our forum looks to be fast becomming - and based on the assumptions and personal judgements displayed in your justification summary - you would likely to expect a punch on the nose.

A fear of such possible positive vibration being sent to one's nose - that would normally tend to disuade us from such public displays of rudeness.

Jerry said.

If there is someone other than Shambles who claims that a title was changed without consultation, I'd like to see them post in this thread.

So they too can be subject to the abusive personal attacks - name-calling - foul language and general insulting comments and public conversations about them that we see here? Not really very likely is it?

Jerry - Are you saying that this special treatment is reserved for me only? And if so - despite the rather hollow claims by them for impartiality - this special imposition by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters on the three of my thread titles detailed and supposedly imposed only for 'clarifcation' in isolation - is perfectly acceptable and not personally motivated?

If you think such imposition (for clarity only) is acceptable on my threads titles alone - why would anyone expect you (or anyone else) to view imposition upon their thread titles any differently?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:18 AM

Oops, forgot-- serve the above with nuts dipped in sh*t and coated with a thin candy shell.

Or that other Mudcat classic-- Catbox Cake.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:19 AM

Very recently Joe changed the prefix of the Sally Walker thread from my Lyric Add to Origin cuz that is what the thread had sequed to. He PM'd me after the fact. It was nice of him to take the time to pm me, but absolutely unneccessary. Even more recently, a post of mine was deleted from another thread. Apparently both the insult I was reacting to and the responses of myself and others were all deleted.

So what?

I did not disagree with either of those decisions, but if I had--so what? Joe et. al. are willing to take the time and effort to help maintain this site. Max has chosen to delegate to them. It is their call to make. Whether I agree or disagree is immaterial.

I happen to mostly enjoy myself here, find the site helpful and educational, and have met and gotten to know some extradinary people through the forum and the Getaways. My impression is the clones do the very best job they can. I don't pay to use this site, have donated minimal $$$ to the site (guilty but poor) and rarely contribute anything above or below the line that adds much value. I get much from logging in, and give little.

I have no need to complain. I also have no right to complain.

XXOO

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:23 AM

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 02:08 PM

...

... I for one have no wish to have a say in how Max's site is run.


~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

Now see what you went and done, Spaw...left me to my own devises to figure out what was going on. Ha! Shoulda known better than to trust a prankster like you. Still, you hardly know me. How did you guess that I would stir the turd?

Have you tried my road-apple and sweet potato casserole?

J.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:36 AM

*emerging from self imposed silence because I can't bear seeing rhetoric so abused.*

If there is someone other than Shambles who claims that a title was changed without consultation, I'd like to see them post in this thread.

"So they too can be subject to the abusive personal attacks - name-calling - foul language and general insulting comments and public conversations about them that we see here? Not really very likely is it?"

let me get this straight...No replies from offended parties PROVES that there are offended parties who are too frightened or intimidated to post?

as in "snapping my fingers keeps Tigers away"

Shambles, your convoluted logic has gone over the edge this time.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM

No replies from offended parties PROVES that there are offended parties who are too frightened or intimidated to post?

Bill - This is your assumption and these are your words - they are not mine.

No replies here (as requested by Jerry) - with the expectation of the general reception displayed here - proves nothing and I did not state or imply that it would prove anything.

I only stated that such a thing is highly unlikely to happen for the very good reasons

Perhaps Bill you would care to address the rest of what I actually did say and answer what I did ask?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:08 PM

First you will have to state clearly what it is you are asking. since Bill is not the only one that has difficulty figuring out what you are saying.

As far as *I* can see, and I know from speaking with others that they also hold this viewpoint, all your questions have been answered. they have been answered completley and thoroughly. they have been answered many times. They apparently have NOT been answered to you satisfaction because:

A) Max hasn't answered directly

(something that is unlikely to happen as he has requested that questions and complaints of this nature be taken up off forum)

b) they aren't the answers you want.

If you are talking about Jerry's question - there are other posters who have had thread titles changed without prior consultation. janie has posted verification, I have posted verification - and I beleive other people have also mentioned it happening.

the difference is that none of the others have made a stink about it.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:13 PM

Why should Bill answer you? You never provide anything but the same old tripe.....and you never take it to Max! So I think maybe I'll see if I can get Joe or a clone to start removing your postings that are repetitious and contain nothing new.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:15 PM

Having them replaced by links would cut the database down in size, wouldn't it?

Especially since he is now pasting in entire sections of irrelevant material as well as mis-qouting and qouting out of context.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:17 PM

perhaps I would NOT care to reply to your claims, since I have stated numerous times that I do not agree that there is a problem. Only you seem to notice a problem

"This is your assumption and these are your words - they are not mine."
Just as Pat Robertson didn't really mean to suggest we should assassinate Hugo Chavez? Splitting hairs does not change the implication of what you claim....


Perhaps YOU would care to explain who those folks are, who are not replying for fear of being abused?

*back to sitting on my hands, as I feel sometimes I am debating a robot Turing program*


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:17 PM

Hey - Did you see how fast the "Hi Shambles: What about Max's request" thread got pulled?

This proves once and for all that Max and his clones are using evil censorship techniques to protect Shambles and his ilk from being asked awkward questions.

Well I for one say that there should be no more of this one-sided protection of Shambles.

Let him stand up for himself for once.

Come on Shambles, come out from behind your shield of clones, and explain yourself clearly.    We won't laugh - honest.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:23 PM

Good thing I didn't say anything about the dirty knife!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:24 PM

Oh no! Now there are two of them! It's contagious.
Can someone free up a padded room or two at the NYCFTTS? Bald eAGLE CAB PROBABLY BE SAVED.
dAMN cAPSLOCK!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:28 PM

Why is no one clamoring for my cowpattie with buffalo chips recipe?

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:29 PM

Shambles, as a matter of information, I'm a Sagittarius.

Of all the astrological sun signs, Sagittarian individuals are known for drifting from one conversational topic to the next, inserting a third topic, and then flowing back to the first topic without missing a beat. Doing so seems to come natural to me {I'll just speak for myself here and not other heavily Sagittarius influenced people-sun signs or otherwise}.

But sometimes-as in the case of this thread, I change the subject on purpose-usually to add something of interest to me that hopefully also will be of interest to others.

Some people may not like my tendency to go off topic, but I have never received a punch in the nose because I inserted a different tidbit of information into an ongoing discussion.

Actually, I've never ever gotten punched in the nose or anywhere else.

I guess I've been lucky or blessed that way {knock on wood}.

Shambles, all this to say, I'm still sending positive vibrations your way.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:29 PM

buffalo chips are so last decade! Now if you had a recipe for Bison crisps!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:30 PM

A dirty knife?

No, your semantics have me completely lost there, Shambles.

(Or is this some sort of code we censorship haters have to use - you know like "The wild goose flies North" sort of thing the BBC used to send to the French resistance?).

I'm with you Shambles.

er ... "the blue box has no lid"    (nod, nod, wink, wink)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:30 PM

Since you asked, Jerry, and since you challenged, Shambles, I suppose that I might be considered "the victim" in the instance Jeri cited here.

If you read the thread, you will note that I was a bit rushed and hence neglected to include the "where" in the thread title. It was fortunate that Jeri spotted my ommission and "clarified" my announcement. Had she tried to PM me first, it probably wouldn't have reached me until after the event, as Linn's cookie is the default setting and I only use mine when posting or expecting a PM. The fact is, the title I gave the thread was woefully inadequate and could have resulted in too many folk reading a thread which was literally out of their realm.

There are so many threads, and for many, so little time to read them, that clarification of titles is an important service to all.

In the interest of full disclusure, I should add that Jeri and I live four miles apart and we work together at our day job when there's work. We are thus able to communicate more often and more thoroughly. But this is an exception and not a normal situation for most Mudcatters.

I, for one, welcome thework of the Joeclones in clarification of titles and all the other thankless tasks they perform so well -- Tom


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:37 PM

Hey Azizi--I'm a Sag also--now I know why I ramble so...how come yu do it more coherently than I? Must be because I am near the cusp, huh?

Mmario--Last decade--hrumff!!! You want last decade? I'll do better than that--I'll do 3 decades past---rabbit pellet fondue.

Hmmmm.......buffalo crisps....with cinnamon and sugar or garlic? What do you think?

J.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:40 PM

I'll see your bison crisps and raise you bunny turd cookies - they look like chocolate chip but taste like...............rabbit turd.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:40 PM

Buffalo Bagels; to quote Colonel Sherman Potter.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:44 PM

Do you serve the fondue in one of those gooseshit green little pots with the can of sterno that smells like stale urine under it to keep it warm>

Memories - gives me the warm fuzzies - at least for a couple seconds - then the nausea kicks in...

hmmmmm- what about an oriental flair with the crisps - cinnamon and rice wine vinegar. garlic would be good too.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:46 PM

speaking of Colonel Potter - did you ever notice his resemblence to Mr. Peabody's boy Sherman? Do you think they may be related?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:54 PM

Mario.....Your use of the word "fuzzies" made me think of FIZZIES!

Let's see.......How about a Bear Whizz Fizzie served up in the classic way?.......Warmish water in a colored aluminum tumbler!!! For an extra 50 cents you can even have Hose Water!!!! A Real Classic.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:54 PM

Shambles:

I see the evidence of others who have had their thread titles changed: some with consultation and others without. For the most part, they seem to think that the changes were minor and for the better. I believe you may be unique in being the only one who complains interminably.

We have privileges in here, not rights.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:55 PM

Right.

That's enought off-topic in here for one day.    (Ooops - almost fell into the trap of being a censor).   Sorry - carry on, as you will.

Meanwhile, for all of those of us who want to become members of my new secret society "The Dirty Knives", all you need to do is send Shambles a PM containing the secret code "the blue box has no lid".   We will add you to our secret list of people what disapprove of evil clones censoring us without our permission.

We will have a secret meeting at a time and date to be arranged, in that little cafe on the corner of Railway Cuttings and Gaslight Alley.    We will try to get Shambles to address us, and deliver his famous speech "Another twenty three reasons why I think censorship is wrong".

Meanwhile, please could we have some quiet in here while our leader publishes a full account of his philosophy and reasoning on this important topic.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:56 PM

Actually, our fondue pot was calfshit yellow.

Ooh Jaqui--and do you cut them with bunny-shaped cookie cutters? How dear!

Mmario--I like the idea of an oriental touch--tamari and fresh ginger maybe--sprinkled with a little Koi crud?

Oh! I feel a rhyme coming on....

Lessee..........How much mud could a mudcat shat
                If a mudcat could shat mud?

No applause now--just send money.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:58 PM

oh - those were indeed the days....

But for the authentic nostalgia lover it would have to be served in one of those tall pastel coloured Tupperwear glasses with the lids that never quite fit without leaking.

that way you get the oily little rainbow shen across the surface of the liquid.

Elk Whizz Fizz would have more class in today's trendy scene though I think. and they don't hibernate so production continues year round! (Have to think of the ecomomics as well as the ethetics!)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 01:28 PM

I remember the tupperware alright but for me the colored aluminum tumbler was the thing. They were the perfect accompaniment to Melmac dinnerware. There was a time period where I think that every friend I had and everyone's home I went to had aluminum tumblers and Melmac dinnerware.

The tumblers must all have come from the factory chipped and dented as I never saw a pristine one. Another thing they all had in common was that the bottoms were never flat so you could just about guarantee a spill. Eventually this relegated them to outdoor usage only and hence the Hose Water Fizzie was born. WIth time though, even outdoor usage was out of the question and the tumblers began to fill a variety of other roles like sandbox toys or garden scoops.

The hose water added something special to the Fizzie taste which was very weak to begin with. It may have added rotted rubber and lead for all I know but hose water was always something special. On a hot summer day there was nothing like it!

To tie this up.....My Mom resisted the Melmac but when Tupperware came out with the same kind of stuff, she bought it up right away, Tupperware being so "far superior" to Melmac. Ours was a four color set too......in pastels......turquoise, pale green, pale yellow, and pink. And of course it was just the same as the Melmac!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 02:44 PM

I saw a cataloge the other day that had those aluminum tumblers for sale. I was tempted to buy them except we have too much crap around the house already.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 02:54 PM

Wesley:

It's not the same if those aluminum tumblers don't come filled with cottage cheese.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 03:01 PM

Aluminum gives you the Old-Timers disease.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 03:40 PM

If that's essential I'll fill them with cottage cheese and mail them to you. What are friends for ?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 03:43 PM

Oh yeah..... aluminum tumblers-- the OLD ones-- are the bomb. Cold lemonade in one of them! Gosh, till you taste beer, you think there's nothing better on earth!

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 04:03 PM

They're not bad for root beer floats either.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 04:57 PM

I had some of the orginals, bought at a tag sale back East. When I found out aluminium could cause altzheimers, I got rid of them, plus nobody in my family used them! I always wanted them when I was kid, but I cannot remember mom and dad having any. We had a lot of small juice and medium milk glasses from chipped beef packaging AND glasses which came in boxes of soap!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:09 PM

WE used to get glasses given away with petrol. At one time I think we had a twelve piece glass setting of just about every type of glass available. If it had looked anything other than free it would have been impressive.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:19 PM

Thanks, Wesley..

Course, I hate cottage cheese... had to convince my sisters it was delicious so they'd eat the cheese and I'd get the tumblers.

Must be a song in there..

Now cereal prizes and send-away-fors... there's something where I could do the eating and the claiming.

Man, this thread is fun!

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:36 PM

we used to get prizes with gas/petrol also, but never anything useful...but the prizes in ceral boxes! I had quite a collection. (My very first camera came for 75¢ and Wheaties box top!

I seem to remember not liking aluminum tumblers....I could taste the metal.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:51 PM

BaldEagle2, you're obviously not a Monty Python aficionado. The "dirty knife" reference is from the Kitchen Sketch. If you have also read the "In the UK......? (thread title change complaint)" thread, you may recognise other bits of the Kitchen Sketch, posted there by Shambles.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:34 PM

Actually Jerry, we have had some of this before but it never gets old does it? Just us!!!

The two best things that were gas station "give-a-ways" were either themed products or stamps. Marathon Oil here in Ohio gave away glasses and dishes using the BC comic strip as a theme. The stuff was a pretty good quality too. The Sinclair folks used their Dino the Dinosaur theme for years and a lot of that stuff is fetching some good prices now.

Trading Stamps were the big thing from the '50's into the '70's in both gas stations and grocery stores. For a gas jockey they were an incredible pain in the ass, especially when it rained! But some folks would switch allegiances based on what kind of stamps you gave. Although most people collected all of them, most also had one as a preference based on their shopping habits at first. But believe me, if a grocer or gas station switched stamps, it was equally likely that the customer would find another store or station as it was for them to swap their favorite stamps!

I saw the real power of stamps in the first gas station I worked at. They had done some work for a customer that went considerably more than they had quoted and the customer raised hell. After some heated discussion, the station owner offered the guy triple stamps on his bill. Almost immediately the fight was over and everyone was buddy-buddy again! Even though this fellow paid a thousand bucks when he was expecting only 500 (quite a sum and quite a difference in the '60's), he was happy as a clam with his S&H Green stamps for $3000. As a matter of fact, he kept on dealing at the station with never another mention of the doubled bill!

Most of the stamp companies had catalogs and showrooms in the bigger cities. As a kid I well remember going in and getting such wonderful crap as TV trays and a deep fryer. Both of these were mandatory household items in the '50's. I often wondered at those who had the patience and whatever else it took to save for TV's and vacation trips which took about a zillion books of stamps.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:42 PM

My first guitar, a Sivertone, cost 3 3/4 books of T.V. Stamps.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:26 PM

Like you, Bill, I could taste the metal. Matter of fact, just reading about those aluminum tumblers makes my teeth tingle. But the colors were wonderful. It was like having christmas decorations in July.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: bobad
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:44 PM

I also remember those tumblers with nostalgia. The were anodized. Anodizing will protect the aluminum parts by making the surface much harder than natural aluminum. Aluminum oxide is grown out of the surface during anodizing and then becomes aluminum hydrate that is extremely hard.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:46 PM

Janie, as Azizi already knows, I too am a Sagittarius. As though no one could tell!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 07:54 PM

And I guess you know that Alba is a Sag too!

We're so hot!!
and so modest too :>)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:03 PM

Hey, spaw:

Yeah, I think I may have started a thread on box top send-aways. Thanks for reminding me of S & H Green Stamps. We had a store in my home town in Wisconsin, and I remember how exciting it was when we'd get a book or two of stamps filled and we'd go down to the store and shop. Thinking that you're getting something for nothing has never grown old.

Think I'll see if I really did start a thread on cereal box tops. At my age, you never know what you did..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:33 PM

I'm a Leo with a Sagittarius ascendent.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:40 PM

Hey Jacqui!

Great! I'm a Sag with Aquarius moon and Virgo ascendant.

Of course, we fire signs are known for our warmth {ha ha!}

Okay which Mudcatters and Guests have an Aries sun, moon, or ascendent? We might as well have a grand trine going here.

[This is natal astrology talk but y'll knew that, right?]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 08:49 PM

Mine's a Leo moon as well with, I think 4 other planets in Leo.

My Taurus husband tends to keep me grounded, thank goodness.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:22 PM

I'm a Feces with Penis rising.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:25 PM

A friend with a new astrology book once asked my birth date and location...I told her, but added that I didn't put much stock in those things.

"Umm-hmm," she said, "that's just what your reading says you'd say."

can't win......


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: number 6
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:26 PM

I think I'm missing something here ??

sIx


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:32 PM

Not really 6.....This thread has both evolved and elevated from the depths of Shambleshit to whatever to hell it is you would like to say. Got problems with bunions? THIS is the place to talk about it!! Shambles has nothing to say that hasn't already been said and has been rendered down to a pulpy mass of drivel so go ahead and tell us where it hurts.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:37 PM

Uuhhhhh.....I never can remember where my moon, accending, etc. are--no, that's not right. I don't know them because neither my Mom or Dad have ever been able to remember what time of day I was born, or even if was am or pm. All Mom remembers is being shocked at how big my feet were. It took several years for my mouth to get big enough to accomodate them.

My son, however, is Sagittarius with his moon, ascending and 4 planets in Sagittarius. My husband is Leo, with moon and ascending in Leo, and 4 or 5 planets in Sagittarius. Talk about an interesting mix of extreme people living under the same roof. No wonder that roof gets gets raised now and then.:o| All those fire signs---we put out a lot of heat and hot air!

But back to Maine quisine....Did we miss Maine Lobster poop? Appetizer or entre? Shall we vote?

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: number 6
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:47 PM

I'm a Pisce, my wife's a Pisce, 1 of our cats is a Pisce .. no wonder it get's kinda moody under our roof sometimes ... but the music and food is good.

sIx


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:51 PM

A dehumidifier may help with all that Pisces-driven moodiness. Especially important, I hear, to control black mood spores;]

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: number 6
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 10:57 PM

Hmmmmmm ... a thought indeed. But it might cast a dry spell over those Pisce's dreams ... they are important to us you know.

sIx


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:06 PM

Spaw, who was the Senator who informed the Senate that after all, all humans begin as feces? Penis rising? I've seen fresh cow pies with various things rising. Were you in Oregon circa 1950?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Big Mick
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:17 PM

If you don't stop talking about serious shit ..... wrong term ..... important crap .......damn that won't work either .......

Piss on it, back to the discussion of turds.

Mick


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Nosbig Nitram
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 11:17 PM

(sigh)

Why can't we all just get along? Where is the love?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:20 AM

Where is the love? Why right in here with the turds of course. Silly ass question if I ever heard one!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:10 AM

But sometimes-as in the case of this thread, I change the subject on purpose-usually to add something of interest to me that hopefully also will be of interest to others.

Azzi - If the subject of the thread does not interest you or you think you have read enough of it - the simple option of course would be to ignore this thread. Or start a new one on the subject that you may think to be of more interest to others (or use the thread that I created for that purpose). For you could also create a specific title for your new thread - that would make it clear to all our readers that they could find conversation on this subject in that thread. It would also avoid any imposed change for 'clarification' that may be the case if any 'unauthorised' conversations are taking place within threads that have no bearing on their title.

Natural thread drift has always been one of the real joys of our forum. To make clumsy attempts to intentionally do this - or to follow like a sheep - the poor example of more experienced fellow posters who really should know better and should perhaps be setting a more positive example - is not so joyous but simply being rude and trying to justify such displays of bad manners.

The use of such basic good manners and consideration for our fellow posters used to be encouraged on our forum. When you start your 'spelling' thread or one for talking about our star signs - I am sure that many posters will see the informative thread title you have given to it and contrubute to it. I for one will respect your wishes for this thread and not post to ignore the subject of the thread and its title or make any attempt to intentionally change the subject to one that I may think to be of more interest than these exciting subjects.

Is there a star sign for sheep - the sign of the blind follower?

I don't think that there is any need on our forum to needlesly bring attention to the different star signs of our forum's posters. *Smiles*

On a more serious note - perhaps though you do have something that may help. How about our forum despensing with individual thread titles altogether and having one big generic thread - one that could ramble and drift whereever it wished?

I suspect the mere thought of such heresy will cause certain of our volunteer fellow posters to have a seizure .........


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:34 AM

That boy could go on a TV quiz programme.
Name.....Shambles
Specialist Subjucts.....HTML coding, and stating the blindingly obvious.

First question.... Have you PMd Max
Answer.....Pass

Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:49 AM

LOL Giok.

Lobster turds.... Hmmm, never thought about that, although I've only lived in Maine since last October. Guess I'm going to have to do some more research. (In Maine that means following the sound of Duelling BBanjos, finding the person with the least teeth and trying to interpret what they tell you.) "grin".


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:17 AM

Consider the Lilies...
He's having a go at the flowers now!!!!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:25 AM

"Of all the astrological sun signs, Sagittarian individuals are known for drifting from one conversational topic to the next, inserting a third topic, and then flowing back to the first topic without missing a beat. Doing so seems to come natural to me {I'll just speak for myself here and not other heavily Sagittarius influenced people-sun signs or otherwise}."

That's a Sagittarus, is it? I thought it was just me.

Shambles keeps flinging Python quotes, as I said, isn't the Marxist peasent in the Holy Grail also called Roger?

I've had some thread titles changed by Joe Clones, a Rory Gallagher one for example, and it has always made sense.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:43 AM

Shambles, thanks for your input.

But I have to respond that I said what I said where I said it because the spirit moved me to say what I said where I said it.

And that's all I'm gonna say about what I said and why I said what I said where I said it till the spirit moves me to say more about what I said and why I said what I said where I said it.


Positive vibrations,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:45 AM

[Oh I'm feelin really the spirit now!]

Le Scaramouche does your last post mean that you are a Sag sun sign, or heavily influenced by Sagittarius?

Now why does that not surprise me?!

Howdie brother and Peace!


Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:52 AM

No, I'm Aquarius, when I can be bothered to remember, that is. No, my mind just works that way. Perhaps the ADD's to blame.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:53 AM

or I'm really feelin the spirit now

LOL!!-what ever works for who ever when ever.

Though I must say here and now that according to my personal philosophy-me and the spirit are one {or striving to be}.

And that's as deep as I'm going to get at this time and in this place in this here and in this now.


Positive vibrations,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:58 AM

Le Scaramouche,

I noted that in my natal chart I have an Aquarius moon.

But if you had said that your sun sign is a Pisces or a Libra or another sign that is not very active in my chart, I would still say "Howdie, Brother".


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:02 AM

I'M GLAD Y'ALL GOT THAT SPIRIT MOVING!!! Sadly, Sham hasn't had a movement in years. His proctologist posted here once saying that it is probable, considering the tightness of his sphincter, that Roger's next movemement will be similar in size and hardness to the Kohinoor diamond. Were it not for his verbal diarrhea he would have exploded years ago.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:40 AM

Don't forget I was a #1 hit in 1969.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:56 AM

Can you do the fandango yet?
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 09:29 AM

OK. Time to get back to work on those recipes. Supper seems to be well taken care of. Let us move on to lunch.

I thought it good to do a little research so checked out the 'sammich' thread to get ideas. In the gospel according to Kendall, Italian sub rolls are a Maine invention. It would follow that the common name for said bread is in fact a misnomer. So....

How about a Maine Lobster Poop Pate (how do you accent the 'e'?)served on a Mr. Morse Mainely Italian Sub Roll?

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Nosbig Nitram
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 10:59 AM

It's very insensitive to be making all these scatological jokes at someone else's expence. I am really disturbed by what I see happening on this forum. I think you should all consider taking some sensitivity training in order to avoid falling into these negative, unloving patterns of behaviour.

It's quite impolite to talk the way some of you are talking. Would you want your mother to hear you talk like that?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:05 AM

I just wish she could, rest her weary soul!


A


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:26 PM

And that's all I'm gonna say about what I said and why I said what I said where I said it till the spirit moves me to say more about what I said and why I said what I said where I said it

Fair enough but just be aware that 'loose cannons' like you (not sticking to the subject and thread drifting all over the place) could cause our anonymous volunteer fellow posters to rush to impose a new title upon a thread's originator without their knowledge or permission - for the now vital function of 'clarification'.

LOL


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:35 PM

Who the heck ever came up with that stupid "the Customer is always right" saying anyway - as it is so untrue. for many, many companies you do it their way or you don't do it. Or if they let you do it "your way" they charge extra.


I've even been in restauraunts where when I tried to order my meat rare I've been told the chef doesn't do "rare". And then there are the ones that consider medium to be "cooked until dry as shoe leather"


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

just be aware that 'loose cannons' like you (not sticking to the subject and thread drifting all over the place) could cause our anonymous volunteer fellow posters to rush to impose a new title upon a thread's originator without their knowledge or permission - for the now vital function of 'clarification'.

yeah - right. gee, I know of maybe two incidences in the past 4 years where this has occurred. Can you point out example to support your claim?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:57 PM

...but if we talked about "loose canons," would I have to change this to a music thread?
Or would that be about perverted clergymen?
396
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:04 PM

"Canons to the right of them,
Canons to the left of them,
Volleyed and thundered"

a farting contest among clergy?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:08 PM

Can we talk about turds again?
398
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:10 PM

"(not sticking to the subject and thread drifting all over the place)"

harpgirl has lost interest in the 'subject'...this thread is on its own!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:10 PM

400! *grin*...(I never win these things!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:20 PM

4... Oh bugger!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 01:21 PM

600 is up for grabs at the "In the UK" thread. Better hurry !


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:06 PM

I'm above all those silly things myself!
G


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Nosbig Nitram
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:07 PM

The vital thing here is that we all learn things like mutual respect, tolerance, kindness, that sort of thing. It shouldn't take over 400 posts to do that, should it?

I have found that hugging a teddy bear can help to calm those violent and hostile feelings that come up in debates. How many of you have a teddy bear? Have you considered getting one? If not, give it some thought right now.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:12 PM

Nitram, I just spent some time thinking about getting a teddy bear, as per your advice. I rejected it, as I already have Lakis The Rabbit to keep me company and provide comfort and succour. He is better, as he is fully machine washable.

And Giok, I though I was above such trivial games, until I realised how much fun I was missing on! Hours of scouring the index for the next opportunity... Who needs a life when one has such sport? :-)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:18 PM

I strangled my teddy bear.. Man, you should have seen his eyes bug out!

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:20 PM

Sick, Jerry. Really sick. (Not at all like the rest of this thread;^)

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Nosbig Nitram
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:27 PM

I feel your pain, Jerry! I really do. You must have experienced some terrible childhood trauma to have to act out in that manner. Thank God it was not another human being or an innocent pet that had to bear the brunt of your uncontrollable impulse!

Well, I am thinking that if you were just to try some positive affirmations, such as "I love everybody!" or "Aren't people wonderful?" then you would soon discover amazing effects from it. Simply repeat the affirmations for an hour or so, two or three times a day, and watch how your life transforms!

Now, isn't this nicer than crude jokes about flatulence? I ask you.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:31 PM

Shambles, of course, is almost bulldog like in his singlemindedness. It's a pity he thinks the subject is always HELP, HELP, I'm BEING REPRESSED!!!!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:04 PM

Jerry's teddy said, HELP! HELP! I'M BEING PRESSED!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:08 PM

Jerry's Teddy went to sea and returned seven years later, changed beyond recognition (Salt air does that to a toys stuffing, y'know) and the only way they recognized each other was by matching up the two halves of a tinker-toy Jerry had broken.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:19 PM

The tinker toy that was ruthlessly ground underfoot, you mean.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:19 PM

I didn't really want to do it, Janie. I kept telling him to shut up, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I got sick of him sitting there all stuffed and looking so self-important. If there's anything I can't stand it's someone who is all puffed up!

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:20 PM

And the little bear was overjoyed ... Not to find Jerry, but that someone had removed the broken Tinker Toy Jerry had shoved up his ass many years before.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:24 PM

The final straw was when he kept saying "I'm that kind of a bear.."
"You're no Winnie The Pooh," I answered..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:33 PM

I see the evidence of others who have had their thread titles changed: some with consultation and others without. For the most part, they seem to think that the changes were minor and for the better. I believe you may be unique in being the only one who complains interminably.
Jerry


Do you also judge that I may also be unique in the assumptions – judgements and editing treatment that I receive at the hands of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters? Jerry you didn't answer the following.

Jerry - Are you saying that this special treatment is reserved for me only? And if so - despite the rather hollow claims by them for impartiality - this special imposition by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters on the three of my thread titles detailed and supposedly imposed only for 'clarification' in isolation - is perfectly acceptable and not personally motivated?

If you think such imposition (for clarity only) is acceptable on my threads titles alone - why would anyone expect you (or anyone else) to view imposition upon their thread titles any differently?

We have privileges in here, not rights.

I assume that you accept that the above applies to all of us? Perhaps you would accept that some do think they are now more privileged than others? Or do you also think that the ability to impose judgement upon the words of your fellow posters to be a 'minimal' ability?

Do you accept that there is a basic and traditional right on our forum - to expect that the words of our contributions to appear as posted – unless we first agree to any change - or unless the post is an abusive personal attack – racist etc.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:35 PM

boy is THAT one loaded with land mines!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Nosbig Nitram
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:38 PM

These kind of corrosive personal confrontations can easily be defused by simply imagining yourself AS the person with whom you are having the disagreement. Empathize with his or her needs and concerns deeply, putting your own prejudice aside, and meditate on it for at least 15 minutes. If by the end of that time you are not seeing your "opponent" in a newer and far kinder light, I will be very surprised!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:40 PM

Do you accept that there is a basic and traditional right on our forum - to expect that the words of our contributions to appear as posted – unless we first agree to any change - or unless the post is an abusive personal attack – racist etc.

no. because it isn't true. this is a private site and may be modified, erased, deleted, etc at any time by the owner or his appointed proxies.

That *you* have the expectation that the words of contributions to appear as posted is obvious.

But This is the real world. You do not have the right to expect or demand that.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:46 PM

"Jerry - Are you saying that this special treatment is reserved for me only? And if so - despite the rather hollow claims by them for impartiality - this special imposition by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters on the three of my thread titles detailed and supposedly imposed only for 'clarification' in isolation - is perfectly acceptable and not personally motivated?

If you think such imposition (for clarity only) is acceptable on my threads titles alone - why would anyone expect you (or anyone else) to view imposition upon their thread titles any differently?"

See this:

I see the evidence of others who have had their thread titles changed: some with consultation and others without. For the most part, they seem to think that the changes were minor and for the better. I believe you may be unique in being the only one who complains interminably.
Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:54 PM

There you go creating clairty out of confusion, Scaramouche.

Shambles is up to his usual accusations which bear no resemblance to what others have actually said.

Ted E. Bear has spoken from the grave

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:57 PM

I just love a fairy tale.

Love,

Janie and her bear


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:59 PM

hey! I finally figured out why Sorcha is so great at finding info for people!

We've been assuming she is human - when in reality:

Sorcha is S.O.R.C.H.A; the Search, Organize, Catalog, Heuristic Application!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:16 PM

Shambles is up to his usual accusations which bear no resemblance to what others have actually said.

Jerry - I have accused you of something? You have publicly admitted to the teddy bear abuse - what else have you done?

Do you also judge that I may also be unique in the assumptions – judgements and editing treatment that I receive at the hands of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:20 PM

He said you were unique in WHINGING on about it.
Ad BLOODY nauseum.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:20 PM

Shambles, if your children inherited the trait that keeps on going and going and going, life must get tedious at times. Where did you get it, do you suppose?

What eventually happened to your teddy bear, Jerry, do you suppose?
Ocean voyage moisture can play hell with plush.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:21 PM

shambles - he answered that question quite some time ago.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:25 PM

Duracell Batteries.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:28 PM

Oy!   We was having a very entertaining discussion on topics of interest to most mudcatters, and now we are back off-thread discussing the meaning of one particular and peculiar philosophy.

If you REALLY want to discuss this, please join me in the DKSS (Dirty Kives Secret Society) where such things are always on topic.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:36 PM

MMario said

But This is the real world. You do not have the right to expect or demand that.

To have one's words (if they are civil etc) appear as posted on our forum - has traditionally been been an expectation and not a very contentious expectation up to now. To expect such a thing to continue is hardly demanding anything that has not long been 'a given'.

The rather more contentious expectation (at least from those who seem to be subject to more than their fair share of it) is the one now where anonymous volunteer fellow posters would wish to impose their words upon their fellow posters (claiming to be for purposes of clarification only) - without their knowledge or permission.

Those who feel they will never be subject to such imposition seem to judge that it is perfectly OK when others are subject to more than their fair share of this imposition (for purposes of clarification) and somehow unreasonable for these fellow posters not to be happy about this rather unfair situation.....


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:57 PM

Shambles sez:
    Do you accept that there is a basic and traditional right on our forum - to expect that the words of our contributions to appear as posted – unless we first agree to any change - or unless the post is an abusive personal attack – racist etc.



That's absolutely correct, Shambles. I couldn't have said it better myself. However, that right applies only once. When you type the initial message in a thread, you choose the title - and it remains unchanged in that first message. The thread title is redundant, a repetition of the title of that first message; so it can be changed for utilitarian purposes. If anyone wishes to see what you really said, they need look no further than your message. Isn't that handy?

Max granted you the right to free expression - but I don't recall ever seeing that he granted you the right to redundancy. That redundancy is just a bad habit of yours that tends to bore the rest of us.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:26 PM

Come on, Mr. Offer, shoot him, you have the right.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:09 PM

Can you sell hampstershit?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:23 PM

No. I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 08:48 PM

I see alot has happened since I went awol.

On 26 Aug 05 - 12:26 PM Shambles said I was a loose cannon.

Gee, I've never been called a loose cannon before.

A cannon??? Who, little ole me???!!

Well, I gotta say that I don't think I'm shaped like a cannon.
And actually I'm much too uptight to be considered loose.

Sorry, Shambles, I reject your description of me.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:01 PM

My son threw his teddy in the john to see if it would float. It did until the water saturated it then it sank. Took weeks to dry him out and he never looked quite the same.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:26 PM

Turded teddy then.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:01 AM

The thread title is redundant, a repetition of the title of that first message; so it can be changed for utilitarian purposes

Once again - the issue is not one of any change - it one of this change's selective imposition now - by anonymous volunteer fellow posters - without the originator's knowledge or permission - for reasons only of the title's clarity........Alledgedly.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

Shambles, if they were so dead-set on censoring you, why are you allowed to blather on?

Azizi, you hardly expect us to take the word of a loose canon, do you?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:54 AM

Is this Lou S Cannon related in any way to Frank Cannon the well known TV detective played by William Conrad?
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM

Yep!

But I gotta tell ya that I'm not as loose as I'm gonna be, since
God isn't finished with me yet.

Word up!!! *

*"Word Up!"-an affirming expression from the 1990s or so that use to be the bomb but is largely played out now.

Power to the people!

Azizi


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 12:40 PM

My "Yep" was in reference to Le Scaramouche's question to me and not to Giok's question about Lou S Cannon and Frank Cannon.

With regard to that question, my response is "I haven't got a clue".

Yeah, I know. Some people think that I don't have a clue about alot of things I spout off about.

Maybe that's why someone whose name I won't mention {but it starts with "S" and ends with "s"} thinks that I'm a loose cannon.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 12:47 PM

Which reminds me of a call & response children's cheer that I collected from Pittsburgh, PA area in 1997. The group repeats each line after the leader recites it:

How funky is the chicken.

How loose is the goose.

So come'on everybody

and shake your caboose.

Yeah, shake your caboose.

-snip-

Of course 'caboose' means "buttocks"; "butt".

There's a bunch of words that mean "buttocks". Which ones are you partial to??


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 12:57 PM

Frank Cannon... man, he could shoot! I use to watch every show just to see him knock the bad guys' guns outta their hands at a hundred yards with that little Snub-nosed .38 cal at five minutes to the hour. And they weren't standing still... they were running as fast as Ben Johnson in the 100m steroids and zig-zagging like a sidewinder on a hot tin roof in Death Valley. Man, he could shoot!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 01:20 PM

Loose Cannons of the World unite, and hoist the Oppressors by their own petards!!!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 01:55 PM

Maybe that's why someone whose name I won't mention {but it starts with "S" and ends with "s"} thinks that I'm a loose cannon.

Azzi- I will willing trade being called a 'loose cannon' for some of the names that I have been called by my fellow posters - in these threads.

Many of these posters whom claim to be bored - still can't resist opening the threads they claim to find boring and can't resist refreshing threads again and again by posting mainly to saying how boring they find them and expressing surprise that the threads are still going strong and telling others not to respond.

There probably is a name for these posters............


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:00 PM

My guess is that you know all about "post addiction", Shambles. LOL


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:02 PM

Well, Shambles, this is the equivalent of picking a scab.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:16 PM

Janie said

Very recently Joe changed the prefix of the Sally Walker thread from my Lyric Add to Origin cuz that is what the thread had sequed to. He PM'd me after the fact. It was nice of him to take the time to pm me, but absolutely unneccessary. Even more recently, a post of mine was deleted from another thread. Apparently both the insult I was reacting to and the responses of myself and others were all deleted.

So what?

I did not disagree with either of those decisions, but if I had--so what? Joe et. al. are willing to take the time and effort to help maintain this site. Max has chosen to delegate to them. It is their call to make. Whether I agree or disagree is immaterial.


I think that it has to do with when you started posting on our forum and your expectations. If you only see poor treatment and the dregs you will only expect poor treatment and the dregs – you may then be quite happy to be given poor treatment and the dregs.

It is sad that others who have experienced the vintage wine are only prepared to serve you the dregs.

It is also sad that these individuals feel that they are now in a position to deny you the vintage wine and can choose to serve you only the dregs.

Sad also that the expectations of so many posters have been lowered to the point where they are prepared to think themselves grateful to be served only the dregs or rather to have the dregs imposed upon them.
    The "Origins" tag is added to threads that give the most complete information about a song, including origins information and documented sources. Ordinarily, the tag is added AFTER a thread has developed, depending on the quality of information in the thread. An "origins" thread is roughly equivalent to a DTStudy, except that Origins threads are not edited. If the "origins" thread is used for other purposes, it is changed.
    The "Folklore" tag is intended for non-music information (history, linguistics, folklore, culture, etc.) that has a direct relation to music and songs. If the Folklore tag is used for music information, it is changed.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:17 PM

450!!!!! Thank you!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:25 PM

Maybe, Shambles, it's because Janie has the nous to see that the alteration enhanced the title. There do not have to be hidden and convoluted reasons for reasonable people to behave that way. In my opinion you have to believe there are because now people are coming out and saying they don't agree with your stand, in spite of having had the same treatment.

Grow up mate.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:50 PM

What dregs? Because threads get edited for clarity and offensive stuff, insults and the like, are deleted?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 03:23 PM

"It is sad that others who have experienced the vintage wine are only prepared to serve you the dregs.

It is also sad that these individuals feel that they are now in a position to deny you the vintage wine and can choose to serve you only the dregs.

Sad also that the expectations of so many posters have been lowered to the point where they are prepared to think themselves grateful to be served only the dregs or rather to have the dregs imposed upon them.


To turn your own, and apparently your only weapon against you Roger, I quote your own words. Talk about boring and repetitive, that load of old dregs is vintage Shambles. Apart from which it is insulting to your so called "fellow posters", volunteers or otherwise. So it would seem invidious to criticise other peoples rudeness and then indulge in it yourself, sort of shooting yourself in the foot as they say.


Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:02 PM

But Shambles, we've always done it this way!

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:47 PM

Shatner is more fun.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:38 PM

That's a sad statement, but it's true. Yes, Shatner is more fun. Not as much fun as turds, but certainly more fun than So-and-So's "Requests."
-Joe Offer, derided and maligned-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:41 PM

Better rethink the Getaway, Joe. You'd get "unmaligned" right quick.

Janie


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:10 AM

I haven't heard lately- Joe, you are coming to the Getaway, aren't you?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:04 AM

Susan - a relative newcomer to our forum who has also been denied the vintage wine - says.

But Shambles, we've always done it this way!

Our forum has most certainly not always done it this way. For if our forum ever had done it this way - many posters would not have posted in the first place or continued to post for so long.....

You may have missed this - as it was inserted by fellow poster Joe Offer as an editing comment and did not refresh the thread. A privilge that is not open to us ordinary posters. And (as evidenced in other examples - if not to be fair - in this one) a privilige much abused by some of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - who this privilige is open to - who still insist on placing their personal judgements of fellow posters in them - whilst using the word 'we'.

The main danger of inserting this particular informative editing comment into an existing post in this way - is that as it did not refresh this thread - our readers (whose considerations are now said by our anonymous volunteer posters to be most important) may not see it.

The "Origins" tag is added to threads that give the most complete information about a song, including origins information and documented sources. Ordinarily, the tag is added AFTER a thread has developed, depending on the quality of information in the thread. An "origins" thread is roughly equivalent to a DTStudy, except that Origins threads are not edited. If the "origins" thread is used for other purposes, it is changed.

The "Folklore" tag is intended for non-music information (history, linguistics, folklore, culture, etc.) that has a direct relation to music and songs. If the Folklore tag is used for music information, it is changed.
-Joe Offer-


Again there is nothing wrong with making any change to a thread's title or later adding any prefix - but as our forum's current thread creation screen clearly states that the use of any prefix is optional - perhaps it would be better to first obtain the originator's permission before any change or prefix - is imposed by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters?

    There's really no need to repeat my brown comments, Roger - I put them in brown so people will see them, and I put them in the message they apply to so people can understand what allegation I'm answering without having to read through a dozen of your posts (or, worse yet, without my having to copy-paste your allegations).
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:04 AM

It is sad that others who have experienced the vintage wine are only prepared to serve you the dregs.

I never sampled the vintage wine as in early days of Mudcat (mid/late '99 here) but I see the dregs rather differntly to you. My reading of music threads here has dropped to under 6%. This is in part as I as a person get bored more quickly with a lot of things, part I've seen much before, etc. but also as I think there a proportionally far fewer quality threads around. It realy boils down to a changing me and a changing Internet, although it is fair to say my reading habits at Mudcat have changed far more than anywhere else I visit.

For me this actually makes the indexing more important as good threads to me become more and more obscured by the not so good.

One thing is for sure. We can't even roll the clocks back to when I first started, let alone to when Mudcat first started. Mudcat has changed for many of us but the changes you moan about are to some extent changes brought about by adaption in the face of greater changes.

That said I think even if you had an old Mudcat, as the volume of informative musical threads increased, indexing methods would have been introduced to help those who come to the site looking for information.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:16 AM

My post was made in reference to your attitude, Roger: one with which I am all too familiar in church life, where people cannot accept that anything has changed, nor needs to. Proving again you cannot comnprehend most U.S. humor.

And I arrived in 2000, thank you very much.

And if newcomers can't have a say in how things are done, GO TO HELL. You have said you yourself don't wish to have a say, but as you've made clear--that's worth about as much as anything else you've said.

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:53 AM

That said I think even if you had an old Mudcat, as the volume of informative musical threads increased, indexing methods would have been introduced to help those who come to the site looking for information.

Perhaps so but would you agree there is a differnce between introduction and imposition? And accept that there are different requirements for the music related threads and the non-music related ones?

Where 'indexing' may indeed be a useful tool for the music-related threads - it is less useful for the non-music related ones. The assumption seems to be currently made that methods that may work for one should be applied to the other.

There does not seem to be enough real recognition that the two are now separated - BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT. Where it may be thought useful that music-related threads are clearly titled - there is less of a need for the non-music related threads to be so. In fact some of the most creative contributions to our forum are now made in the titles that our posters come-up with on the non-music section.

Is there really any need to 'index' - 'combine' - 'consolidate' etc any of these non-music related threads? They may be judged by some to be irritating or many other things - but all that needs to be done in such cases - is to ignore them until they fall off the bottom.

Encouraging all the current passing of judgement upon fellow poster's contributions - is not helpful - for unless there are any serious reasons to impose censorship - the contribution has as much right to remain as posted - as any other contribution. And it will remain on our forum - whatever persoanl judgement may be placed upon it. The object of our forum is discussion. The only choices that any poster needs to make is whether to respond to what is being said or to ignore it...........

But whatever 'indexing' may be thought to be required - and for whatever reason (other than what may be judged to be harmful seriously offensive postings etc) - can be undertaken perfectly adequately - without automatic imposition by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:25 AM

You may have missed this editing comment - inserted into the following post by one of our many anonymous volunteer fellow posters and not refreshing this thread.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:31 AM

I see yet another imposed thread closure.


http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=84039&messages=2

I am sure will see no complaints about this imposition from the originator of this thread or perhaps they will now express a less charitable view of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters?

Yes, Rog-o, as you can see it was redundant and covered by this thread. And no one was talking turds over there, so I exercised editorial control so that we can talk about turds. Stay on subject please. Mudelf


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:33 AM

These were the judgements imposed up on Susan's thread when closing it - made not by just one but two of our anonymous volunteer posters - - now hunting in packs - bless them both.

I am closing this. It is redundant and deals with the same issue as two other threads. It will just become another 1000 post thread with nothing new to add. Please use the existing threads.
Thanks, Mudelf

I see you have arrived first. Blessings upon you Mudelf....I have your back!.......FatClone

Does closing a thread because an anonymous volunteer fellow poster - judges there is to be danger of it receiving 1000 posts on a forum set aside by Max for that very purpose - set a rather worrying precedent? If any thread should attract 1000 posts - does our forum not judge the subject to be a popular one on our forum? Where does it say that our anonymous volunteer posters must close fellow poster's threads because they may become popular and before they have a chance to?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:34 AM

Joe! No Getaway???? But I wrote a song for you and even made a costume for the performance. Built a PopeMobile and everything! Damn!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:58 AM

They didn't want it becoming another Shambles vintage whine.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:14 AM

Who are 'they' and in whose interests are 'they' supposed to be serving?

And why would 'their' wishes and judgement be thought more important now - on our forum - than the wishes of the 1000 potential posters to the thread that 'they' have anonymously imposed closure upon and prevented?

The originator of that thread may take offence and not post again. For if the originator does mot take offence and now agrees with the thread's imposed closure - you may question their reasons for creating the thread in the first place? Or you probably won't....


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Oaklet
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM

Aye, what Shambles said and that, like...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:00 AM

The originator of that thread may take offence and not post again.

I believe you are referring to my thread. My posting history should be enough to assure anyone that the danger of my never posting again is nil! For the record, I leave shortly on vacay, so don't chalk my silence up to having taken offence! :~)

I have already commented at length that I agreed with that thread's closing. In any event, were I to take offence or have any other negative reaction whatsoever, I would follow SITE POLICY and contact JOE OFFER personlly and privately, or via the Help Forum if PM were not an option at that time.

For the record, I do not know who closed it nor do I care. I am confident the clone(s) involved were acting on good authority, in good faith, and with sound judgment.

Pfui!

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:21 AM

You may have missed this - as it was inserted by fellow poster Joe Offer as an editing comment and did not refresh the thread. A privilge that is not open to us ordinary posters. And (as evidenced in other examples - if not to be fair - in this one) a privilige much abused by some of our anonymous volunteer fellow posters - who this privilige is open to - who still insist on placing their personal judgements of fellow posters in them - whilst using the word 'we'. (Shambles)

That's vintage Shambles though - I think it could have been a tiny bit - improved by inserting "Max has said - don't sweat the rules - for there are none" at any - randomly chosen position. You may have missed it but the juxtaposition of 'fellow poster Joe Offer' with 'anonymous volunteer fellow posters' and of an implicit critique of abusing the word 'we' with the expression 'our anonymous volunteer fellow posters' makes this just another gem from our favourite writer of nonsense posts.

The hard words Catspaw uses somtimes here towards Shambles only show his envy. He slowly realises he has been surpassed by a new master of this art form. That someone else has now perfected his once novel act of using repetition as a mean to transport humour grieves him. But we all have to bow sooner or later to a new master.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:28 AM

Where can I buy one of the Mk2 Shambles regurgitating machines? The ability to be able to throw in a couple of hundred words, some punctuation, and a dash of HTML coding, press a button and come out with the same crap in a different order is something I thought was only available to Civil Servants for policy document writing. It's coming on the open market like this is indeed a boon to those of us who can't be bothered to think of anything original to say.
Down with innovation!!
Giok


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:31 AM

The solution is simple, folks. We need a Volunteer. Some unselfish soul, with plenty of free time, who can follow Shambles around and "protect" his thread titles, postings, etc. Someone who will send him endless PMs assuring him of their undying and ever-constant vigilance, on his behalf. Someone whom we all know and trust who can attest to the veracity of all which Shambles utters. The Volunteer would be on the fast track to sainthood AND perhaps be good for the soul of Shambles as well, through bringing peace and reassurance in place of delusional paranoia.

As to Vintage Mudcat,no one is deprived. One need only set back the filter to ALL and hang onto their hats as they travel back in time and space to the early days of the unknown frontier...where one may find precious and early discussions and sharings of obscure old tunes and lyrics; creative and hilarious confabs of "what if the hokey-pokey IS what it's all about?" and a whole lot more filled with all kinds of bitching, and pissing, and moaning, but more creative and never as repetitious and boring as now.

So hike up yer trousers/skirts/whathaveyou, and start stompin' those grapes...you'll be transported before ya know it to Immortal Times of the Mudcat thanks to Max and his wonderful machines!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:15 PM

Kat,

Why you no listen?

We have an army of such volunteers in the DKSS who all want to do exactly what you propose.   I thought I had made that clear in my previous posts.   Possibly not - but if not, only because those secret censors have gone and editted my posts to change their meaning.   (They are like that, you know, being thems and all that).

I shall try to get permission from the members of the DKSS to publish the minutes of our inaugral meeting, and then you will see just how passionate we are in following the philosophies of our great leader.

(I think that getting permission to publish will be a shoe-in, for none of us would want to be seen as some sort of censors or editors).

Regards

BE2


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:39 PM

LOL, Wolfgang! Brilliant point.

I have tried applying the very same technique, the "act of using repetition as a means to transport humour", with at least some success (Shatner, hamsters, Hillary Clinton blow-up dolls, Chongo Chimp, etc). I agree that Shambles is approaching absolute mastery of this art form, and he is doing it elegantly through one simple framework by refining that one framework into endless variations of itself. Clever.

I attribute Spaw's downfall to the tragic mistake of using farts as the central buttress of his humour. This was a great strategic error, because farts are simply, to put it bluntly, not very funny...unless you're a ten year old.

Some find that sort of thing irritating or tedious. Others find it hysterically funny. Observe the great comedians of history and you will find that they almost all used the same technique...repetition of easily recognizable images and scenarios.

Classic examples of comedy by repetition: Abbot and Costello, Laurel and Hardy, Charlie Chaplin, Peter Sellers.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 01:15 PM

BE2, I probably missed it because you may not have repeated it ad nauseum through assuming I didn't see the first, second, or third, etc. postings immediately before the cut and paste for the umpteenth time? You know, I have no retention, so things must be said often in as convoluted, yet questioning terms as possible, is this not true also, for you and the others? For, were it not for such repetitions, would we not all miss the exact points made and their oft-repeated-postings, by which that we may gain such insight and then, know that volunteer fellow posters, one and all, are the scum of the earth and we must not follow by example? Or, is it then to be assumed, as volunteer fellow (no dames allowed!)posters, we are ALL of us, we few, we legion, we many thousands, one and all Scum, damned forever to ride 'neath the streets of Boston to never return, whilst reading endless loops of the same cut and pastes over and over and over and over and over...


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:11 PM

What katlaughing said. I would add that the plural of scum is 'scums'. Perhaps we could discuss this?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:15 PM

Would you use it in the plural - I had a quick think and couldn't come up with any use for it.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:24 PM

Like in scumsucking?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:33 PM

Scumspewing.

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:40 PM

Scums of the World, Unite!! (Do we get to do trad crafts, i.e. scumshaw?)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:41 PM

Oh, that's definitely better, Wysi. Perhaps impugning people's integrity and competence could come under that designation? Without insulting, you understand.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:42 PM

We can all go scumpering away to the Getaway!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:46 PM

If you hang around Mudcat long enough you can get a PhS-- Docotr of Scumology-- and become a scumologist. (The lesser degree only takes you to being a Licensed Scumicist.)

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

People not of native extraction in this country cannot legally purchase or retain (except by gift from Native Americans) any 'modern' (post 1972) ivory but scumshaw created by Native artists is legal and very desirable.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:04 PM

skim, scam, scum?

I never seem to get the changes in the language as fast as you young sprouts.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:25 PM

The water was covered in several different scums.
G..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:40 PM

Don't fret, Bill D- you've got it: Skim, scam, scum... See? They're all related in a natural sequence.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:13 PM

Proving again you cannot comnprehend most U.S. humor.

Susan - comprehending most U.S. humour - is not very difficult for anyone.

Considering certain examples of U.S. humour displayed here - to be very funny - is not really the same thing.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:31 PM

Roger, that's an extremely offensive remark. It demonstrates a persistence in disrepecting U.S./UK cultural differences. Oh I know only YOU can judge us all, but you're wrong. Again!

~S~


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:50 PM

Sham likes benny hill, nyah, nyah, nyah.


That offend you, Roger? I wouldn't begin to blanket all UKers in one bed.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:03 PM

Susan - your accusation is as absurd as it is groundless. For your judgement that I had 'proved again that I cannot comprehend most U.S. humour' - was made first - was your judgement - not also 'disrepecting U.S./UK cultural differences'?

You have perhaps shown that you have no comprehension of when someone may be 'pulling your leg'. *Smiles*

You may have missed this. It was inserted into an existing post so as not to refresh this thread.

There's really no need to repeat my brown comments, Roger - I put them in brown so people will see them, and I put them in the message they apply to so people can understand what allegation I'm answering without having to read through a dozen of your posts (or, worse yet, without my having to copy-paste your allegations).
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Oaklet
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:08 PM

Aye, right - that Shambles, right - like he says. like. Canny, that bugger, like. So what he says, I agree, like. Champion.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:57 PM

huh?

Bewildered in Amurica..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 08:02 PM

Oh yeah!!!!!!! One time an anonymouse clone (ackshally, it was Joe) changed my spelling of Amurica to America in a thread title with the totally preposterous claim that if someone tried to access the thread typing in "America" that they wouldn't be able to find it. Have you EVER heard of such blatant, contemptuous, condescending, outrageous insensitivity. That Joe, boy!!!!!!! He must really be a jerk! And he doesn't even use his right name (Which is Nimrod Rozenkrantz.) I've never been so offended in my life.

This place used to be vintage wine.

Now it's vintage whine.

Grossly offended in Derby

Jerry


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:49 PM

I knew "Joe Offer" had to be ficticious! Must have been his under-cover gummint name when he was goin' around investigatin' folks!

When's your birthday, Nimrod?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:26 AM

Harumpf!

Well, my birthday, such as it is, is sometime in August. It happens once a year, usually with little note (since nobody knows when it is, exactly). Me and the Missus went to a swanky hotel in South Tahoe for the occasion this year, though. We had a suit...er, suite.

Nimrod Rosenkrantz
(watch the spelling!~!)

496


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:32 AM

Actualy, with no wish to slight my dear colleague Mr Rosenkrantz, the brains behind the operation is none other than myself. Dionyssos K Gildenstern is my real name. I'm the notorious Greek gangster from Jutland, you know.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:45 AM

Funny, "Gildenstern" doesn't sound Greekish. Are you sure that's not "Guildenstern"?
Aren't you the one that's dead??
498


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:47 AM

The temptation is hard to resist....
499


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:47 AM

500!



I feel a strong urge to gloat.
Where's Flamenco Ted when you need him?
-Joe Offer, Victoriously-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:16 AM

The following thread (with a TECH prefix has been relegated to the BS and for some reason - has now been closed.

Closing threads

This was the original question asked in that thread.

Is there some technical advantage given to the general effective running of our forum - by the closing of threads?

Does it make the site less technically effective in any way or make it run slower - if all threads are left open for new contributions?


If you wish to know the answer – you will have to click on the link – but you will not be able to post to it. Unless of course you kindly ask our anonymous volunteer fellow posters to re-open it – to enable you to do this.
    I can't see any reason why it should have been closed. The "close thread" link is in a location where a volunteer could click it accidentally and not notice, so it may have been closed inadvertantly. Whatever the case, I don't think it should have been closed. I reopened the thread.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:34 AM

Of course I'm 'dead'. Who do you think spread the rumour? Pity Shambles is on to us though.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 06:32 AM

Little Hawk,

sorry I didn't mention you as one other master of this art form. I remember when I first opened a Shatner thread the name Shatner meant nothing to me at all. I then saw your name and smelled what would be coming. I closed the thread immediately and decided I never would want to know who Shatner was. I did never open any Shatner thread yas far as I know and for about 2 years I was successful. But then some people started talking about Shatner in innocuous threads with harmless titles and one time it happened: I realised who Shatner was. I guess I'll never forget that detail but I still don't open Shatner threads.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 07:11 AM

I can't see any reason why it should have been closed. The "close thread" link is in a location where a volunteer could click it accidentally and not notice, so it may have been closed inadvertantly. Whatever the case, I don't think it should have been closed. I reopened the thread.
-Joe Offer-


Please note that Joe Offer and I are in complete agreement on the above.

We both consider that there are no reasons or grounds for why any anonymous voulunteer fellow poster should have imposed closure upon the thread in question and we both consider that it should not have been closed. But the fact remains that despite our agreement - this thread was subject to imposed closure.

As the editing comment only suggest that this thread MAY have been closed by inadvertantly by someone - has it been finally established and can it be confirmed - if indeed it was closed by some accident? Or if it was wrongly but intentionally closed by some anonymous volunteer fellow poster and if so what action will be taken to ensure that this is not repeated?

I may be alone in this - but I do find there is considerable irony and humour in the case of a thread entitled (or currently entitled anyway) 'Closing threads' being subject itself to closure and subsequent re-opening and of no one knowing or admitting to why.....


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 07:25 AM

Is there such a thing as STC or Spontaneous Thread Closure? Or STC -Spontaneous Thead Cumbustion?

Don't get too close when the turd threads spontaneously combust..


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:02 AM

Wolfgang - not opening a Shatner thread is a very wise decision. You don't know how many hours I've agonised over the Shatner question since I first clicked into one of LH's little traps.

The flashes of bad acting and the nightmares where Bill was the leading actor in every TV production......... It's going to take years of therapy to where I can once again close my eyes without seeing that face with the little animal perched atop the balding pate.

Stay away from Shatner threads for your own sanity. It's clear that there are some on the forum who haven't and it's driven them stark staring bonkers.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:23 PM

Yes, Rog-o, as you can see it was redundant and covered by this thread. And no one was talking turds over there, so I exercised editorial control so that we can talk about turds. Stay on subject please. Mudelf

Does anyone wish to own up to being this Mudelf person?

I am sure it is just me - but I find it more than a little offensive that this anonymous volunteer fellow poster can insert personal comments in my posts - have a one-way conversation - issue instructions to me and their identity is witheld from me and our forum.

Whatever happened to the value of being accountable on our forum? It would appear now that the less accountable you are prepared to be - the more ability you are given to impose your judgement upon those who are always prepared to be accountable and stand by their views and actions.

Joe Offer is at least prepared to be known to our forum - when he inserts his editing comments and personal judgements into my posts. Is it really too much to ask - that those who feel themselves qualified to impose their judgement upon their fellow posters are not able to do this anonymously?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:45 PM

AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:53 PM

" if it was wrongly but intentionally closed by some anonymous volunteer fellow poster and if so what action will be taken to ensure that this is not repeated?"

oh, I have NO doubt (it) will be soundly thrashed (virtually, of course) and made to edit all j0hn for Hull threads for proper spelling before (it) is allowed to mess with any serious thread again!!!

(ensure??? ENSURE???...we can't even ensure that repetitious rhetorical questions are not repeated....)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 09:49 PM

Definitely too much Shatner in his past.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 10:16 PM

In his present, more like... he shatner all over this thread


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 03:40 AM

In spite of the treatment difficulties, patients with a paranoid disorder may function quite well. Even though their paranoid views are apparently unshakable, various treatments appear effective in improving social functioning, so that they do not often require lengthy hospitalization. The symptoms are less bizarre than those associated with paranoid schizophrenia. Also, the paranoid disorders seem to cause less disorganization of the personality and disruptions in social and family life. Unlike schizophrenia, which can become progressively worse, paranoid disorder seems to reach a certain level of severity and stay there.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 02:18 AM

(ensure??? ENSURE???...we can't even ensure that repetitious rhetorical questions are not repeated....)

Or can we? Or should we?

Perhaps 'threads have now spoken'? And have ensured - by apparently deciding now to close themselves - to be the final judge of whether they stay to to be contrubuted to - or not?

Our anonymous volunteer posters may be under the impression that they are in control - but our forum seems to have developed a mind of its own.

HELLO DAVE.................


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 05:05 AM

Aren't the Clones accountable to Max?


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 07:49 AM

Le Scaramouche - Yes they are, and this has been pointed out a number of times to Roger, but he is not prepared to accept this fact. (see Giok's post at 30 Aug 3.40am).


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 07:54 AM

Apparently not.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 08:29 AM

HAL has shot poor old Max off into obit somewhere around Jupiter.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 09:39 AM

Hey!

Who was it that said Sham had no sense of humor?

Well, smarty-pants, you sure as hell got that one wrong.

I think someone should cut and paste Sham's HAL joke and post it to one of our joke threads.

Humor like that deserves a much wide audience.

Well Done, Sham! (You show 'em, kid!)


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 05:26 AM

I can't see any reason why it should have been closed. The "close thread" link is in a location where a volunteer could click it accidentally and not notice, so it may have been closed inadvertantly. Whatever the case, I don't think it should have been closed. I reopened the thread.
-Joe Offer-


Just for the sake of completness (and for those posters still with a sense of humour). The thread in question has now been closed by Joe Offer. Who now knows which anonymous volunteer fellow poster was responsible but after publicly speculating that the first closure may have ben a accident - is not at liberty to confirm to our forum - if this was in fact the case.

And Max would still appear to be orbiting Jupiter.....


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 06:02 AM

Just for a millisecond I wondered who re-opened this boring old thread!
G


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 07:19 AM

I didn't. I KNEW.

Oh yes, and $700 now.


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 08:55 AM

And Max would still appear to be orbiting Jupiter.....

On the contrary-- Max posted in other threads several times during the active periods of this thread... and apparently chose to ignore this.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Yawn
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 10:28 AM

I would too if I was Max.


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