BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:09 PM

Yo, Boo & Bullshot: anything germaine to say regarding the latest slaughter of innocents except "Palestinian nits make Palestinian lice"?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:04 PM

"Our doctrine in fighting you (the Jews) is that we will totally exterminate you. We will not leave a single one of you alive, because you are alien usurpers of the land and eternal mercenaries."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:03 PM

A4.2.1.2. Requirement to Distinguish . The requirement to distinguish between combatants

and civilians and between military objectives and civilian objects imposes obligations on all the

parties to a conflict. This is true whatever the legal status of the territory on or over which combat

occurs. For example, civilians may not be used in an attempt to render an area immune from military

operations. Also, civilians may not be used to shield a defensive position, to hide military

objectives, or to screen an attack. Neither may they be forced to leave their homes or shelters in

order to disrupt the movement of an adversary.

A4.2.2. Military Objectives. Military attacks must be directed only against military objectives. Military

objectives are those objects which by their nature, location, purpose, or use make an effective

contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture, or neutralization in the

circumstances offers a definite military advantage.

A4.2.2.1. Many objects are clearly military objectives --for example, the enemy's military

encampments or armament (such as military aircraft, tanks, antiaircraft emplacements, and troops

in the field). Factories, workshops, and plants that directly support the needs of the enemy's armed

forces are also generally conceded to be legitimate military objectives.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:00 PM

More of that Israeli "precision accuracy"[sic]:


JEBALIYA REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike hit a crowded Gaza shopping area on Wednesday, killing at least 16 people and wounding more than 150, hours after Israeli tank shells slammed into a U.N. school sheltering displaced Palestinians, killing 15 people, Gaza health officials said.

The latest deadly strikes comes after more than three weeks of fighting that has killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and more than 50 Israelis.

Gaza health ministry official Ashraf al-Kidra and witnesses said the shopping area was busy because residents, and many who had taken shelter in the area from fighting elsewhere, thought a cease-fire was in place. The Palestinian Red Crescent confirmed the death toll.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment on the strike on the shopping area and said it was investigating the report.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:50 PM

Just for the record.

Israel is targeting Hamas and it's affiliated terrorist groups which are hiding behind civilians in schools, hospitals, mosques and residential districts. Some civilians are unfortunately killed and injured because of the terrorists cynical ploy. The aim of Hamas is to stoke the flames of Jew hatred worldwide. The kind of hatred which is currently on display across the world shows how easy this is to do and how good Hamas is at doing it. This is turn encourages Hamas to sacrifice more of its citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:37 PM

Just for the record.

It is a WAR CRIME to site military supplies and operations among civilians BECAUSE THE CIVILIANS THEN LOSE THE PROTECTION OF the protected area.


You have YET to complain that HAMAS is committing WAR CRIMES by their OWN REPORTS.

THAT seems to be OK with you, as long as you can blame Israel for the deaths HAMAS is responsible for.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:30 PM

Just for the record.

Israeli militants are doing the killing.

Braidedbeardedbruce's argument is identical to the nazi concentration camp guards who went down the line killing children till the person building the tunnel admitted to it. Their defence at Nuremberg was that it was the tunnel builder who was guilty of the killing for not stepping forward sooner.

Quite. Although I never thought that in 2014 anybody would use that precedent. Seems I was wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:15 PM

'"vacant UNRWA school and at another school a week before." "
Pity it was vacant - the Israelis would have had an excuse for killing a dozen or so more refugee children
Jim Carroll'
,..,.,

You will doubtless deny that is an antisemitic remark, Jim; just an anti-Israel one, which you will plead is something quite else. & maybe so, at that.

But can you deny that there is a slurpily nastily nauseatingly self-satisfiedly vindictive tone about it? It might not be explicitly antisemitic; but it is intensely disagreeable and I think you should be ashamed of it.

But I don't expect for a moment that you will be...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:08 PM

You mean that Hamas would have had the chance to kill those children and blame Israel.

That would certainly make you and your fellow stooges happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:59 PM

"vacant UNRWA school and at another school a week before." "
Pity it was vacant - the Israelis would have had an excuse for killing a dozen or so more refugee children
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:46 PM

Right Greggie.

You can't keep track of your lies without extensive notes, then?

If we are talking about NOW, and not 64 years ago, ISRAEL has possesion of the West Bank, and you are saying all the Palestinians should go away, like the Christians and Jews driven out in 1948?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:35 PM

Oh, now I gotcha, Bullshot- response to a post 14+ hours ago with 30 posts in between. Back then. Uh Huh.

You COULD reference what you're bullshotting on about, you know- help keep things straight in your own mind (or what passes for it) if nothing else.

Speaking of "back then": we're not discussing what you were doing 64 years ago, Bullshot - we're talking about NOW. Try to keep up, eh? Its a different world, ya know.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:14 PM

Sorry did I actually write that theUN did the slaughtering - not even the Israei'sd have got round to blaming them - yet, early days though!
M7 lag on my part, but 'twill give the usual suspects an excuse not to respond
Jim carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:13 PM

"UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon last week expressed alarm that rockets had been discovered at a vacant UNRWA school and at another school a week before."

I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:10 PM

Jabilaya school, taken over by the U.N. as a refugee centre was attacked by the U.N. yesterday result Israelis-19, Non combatants-0
The U.N. informed the Israelis of the use of the school, including theexact location on 17 occasions, the last time being on the day of the attack
The dead included children and U.N officials.
"Oh look, there's one of those Hamas chappies isn't it?" - bang, bang, bang - another hundred dead civilians.
"Israel over all" as someone nearly said.
"Are you listening, Jim?"
Sorry Mike, can't hear you over all the screams of the dying children - are you counting the dead - has it reached genocide on your sliding scale yet?
Con't suppose there's anywhere near enough to remind you of anything!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 11:58 AM

"Palestinian and Israeli leaders finally recover the Road Map to Peace, only to discover that, while they were looking for it, the Lug Nuts of Mutual Interest came off the Front Left Wheel of Accommodation, causing the Sport Utility Vehicle of Progress to crash into the Ditch of Despair." 
― Dave Barry, Dave Barry's History of the Millennium

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 10:55 AM

shhh. another Hamas war crime to ignore…


"Gaza: The United Nations agency that looks after Palestinian refugees said it had found a cache of rockets at one of its schools in the Gaza Strip and deplored those who had put them there.

United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesman Chris Gunness condemned those responsible for placing civilians in harm's way by storing the rockets at the school but he did not specifically blame any party.

"We condemn the group or groups who endangered civilians by placing these munitions in our school. This is yet another flagrant violation of the neutrality of our premises. We call on all the warring parties to respect the inviolability of UN property," Mr Gunness said.

Israel has claimed throughout the three-week conflict that Hamas and other Islamic militant groups have used schools and other civilian sites to store weapons, making them legitimate targets.

Israel has targeted a handful of UN sites during three weeks of fighting in the campaign against Islamist militants in the Gaza Strip, and has in the past said the agency's property was used for hostile purposes.
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon last week expressed alarm that rockets had been discovered at a vacant UNRWA school and at another school a week before."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 10:10 AM

So, Greggie,

You don't even bother to read YOUR OWN posts???


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 06:45 PM

Hey Bullshot:

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

Like hating them durn Palestinians, you mean - right?
"

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 10:08 AM

Sorry, Greggie boy. When I was that age,....

Bullshot, what the hell are you going on about? You appaently HAVE lost it completely.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 10:06 AM

Here's that pin-point Israeli accuracy again- hey, what's 700 feet give or take?

**

Shelling of UN school kills 15 as Gaza war rages
By KARIN LAUB and PETER ENAV, Associated Press
Wednesday, July 30, 2014

JEBALIYA REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli tank shells slammed into a crowded U.N. school sheltering Gazans displaced by fighting on Wednesday, killing 15 and wounding 90 after tearing through the walls of two classrooms, a spokesman for a U.N. aid agency and a health official said.

Israeli airstrikes and shelling also killed 40 Palestinians elsewhere in the coastal territory Wednesday, including multiple members of two families struck in their homes, health officials said.

The Israeli military said mortar shells had been fired from near the school, and that soldiers fired back. The mortars were fired from a distance of some 200 meters (yards) from the school, said an Israeli military official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:43 AM

I posted this earlier in the Caliphate thread, which has been hijacked for another anti-Israel thread.

Time magazine yesterday.

"Fatality figures provided by Hamas and other groups should be viewed with suspicion. Not only do Israeli figures cast doubt on claims that the vast majority of fatalities are non-combatants, but a careful review of Palestinian sources also raises doubts.

Analyses of the casualties listed in the daily reports published by the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, a Gaza-based organization operating under Hamas rule, indicate that young males ages 17 to 30 make up a large portion of the fatalities, and a particularly noticeable spike occurs between males ages 21 to 27, a pattern consistent with the age distribution typically found among combatants and military conscripts. Palestinian sources attempt to conceal this discrepancy with their public message by labeling most of these young men as civilians. Only a minority is identified as members of armed groups. As a result, the PCHR calculates civilian fatalities at 82% as of July 26. PCHR provides the most detailed casualty reports of the various Palestinian agencies from Gaza that provide figures to the media and to international organizations like the UN. Its figures closely match those of the Hamas-run Gazan Health Ministry and other groups.

We have seen this before. A similar dispute over casualty figures occurred during Israel's "Operation Cast Lead" in the Gaza Strip in January 2009. The Israelis contended that the majority of the fatalities were combatants; the Palestinians claimed they were civilians. The media and international organizations tended to side with the Palestinians. The UN's own investigatory commission headed by Richard Goldstone, which produced the Goldstone Report, cited PCHR's figures along with other Palestinian groups providing similar figures. Over a year later, after the news media had moved on, Hamas Interior Minister Fathi Hammad enumerated Hamas fatalities at 600 to 700, a figure close to the Israeli estimate of 709 and about three times higher than the figure of 236 combatants provided by PCHR in 2009 and cited in the Goldstone Report. "
http://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/
http://time.com/3035937/gaza-israel-hamas-palestinian-casualties/

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

Iran, not satisfied with the number of Gazans its proxy Hamas is causing to be slaughtered, is now planning not only to rearm them but to also arm the West Bank.

Iranian official: We'll arm West Bank with missiles

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:07 AM

Steve Shaw: "You really are barking mad, aren't you, minnow. Are you sure you're not Bibi's uncle? :-)"


MY PREVIOUS POST:

"Europe saw some of the ugliest eruptions of blatant anti-Semitism since the 1940s. Critics of Israel often claim that Israel unfairly hides from critics by charging anti-Semitism, but cries of "death to the Jews," "slit the Jews throats," or "Jews to the gas chambers" along with the smashing and torching of Jewish-owned shops and attacks on synagogues, have pulled back the cover, revealing anti-Jewish sentiment that still runs deep, and in most cases remains unspoken in polite circles. We will find out how seriously European leaders address the matter now that we have found what lay hidden behind the curtain of civil discourse."

http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/29/opinion/ghitis-israel-palestine/index.html


So, Steve, it is certainly YOUR sanity ( or your deliberate bigotry) that needs to be looked at.

I GAVE the reference- Did you bother to look at it before you made fun of it?

I guess not- facts are much too inconvenient for the likes of you and the Three Stooges ( Musket, GregF, and Jimmy)

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:03 AM

Sorry, Greggie boy.

When I was that age, I was playing with the Palestinians that lived across the street. But they were ones who had been driven out of Ramallah BY THE ARAB LEAGUE in 1948. THEIR land has been taken by the present PLO for it's capital.

But since it was not Israel that took their land, I guess that you don't give a damn.

As usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:52 AM

"The real utility of the body count is that it offers reporters and commentators who cite it the chance to ascribe implicit blame to Israel while evading questions about ultimate responsibility for the killing. Questions such as: Why is Hamas hiding rockets in U.N.-run schools, as acknowledged by the U.N. itself? What does it mean that Hamas has turned Gaza's central hospital into "a de facto headquarters," as reported by the Washington Post? And why does Hamas keep rejecting, or violating, cease-fires agreed to by Israel?

A reasonable person might conclude from this that Hamas, which started the war, wants it to continue, and that it relies on Israel's moral scruples not to destroy civilian sites that it cynically uses for military purposes. But then there is the Palestine Effect. By this reasoning, Hamas only initiated the fighting because Israel refused to countenance the creation of a Palestinian coalition that included Hamas, and because Israel further objected to helping pay the salaries of Hamas's civil servants in Gaza.
"

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:44 AM

Stephens goes on with another extremely important point. He points out that this body count we keep getting of dead Palestinian civilians is most likely completely bogus. Why? Because the media is using the numbers supplied them by… Hamas! The one group that has a vested interest in making sure there is a large civilian death rate–whether there really is one or not–is the one "reporting" those statistics. And the western media is lapping it up.

To cast doubt on the 82 percent civilian deaths statistic Hamas is reporting, Stephens notes that Hamas also reported exactly the same percentage in the 2008-09 Gaza conflict. Gee what a coinicdence, eh?

"When minutely exact statistics are provided in chaotic circumstances, it suggests the statistics are garbage," Stephens says. "When a news organization relies—without clarification—on data provided by a bureaucratic organ of a terrorist organization, there's something wrong there, too."

"A reasonable person might conclude from this that Hamas, which started the war, wants it to continue, and that it relies on Israel's moral scruples not to destroy civilian sites that it cynically uses for military purposes," Stephen sensibly says.

Then are these two important, morally based paragraphs noting that this whole incursion is the fault of the so-called Palestinians, not Israel:

"Let's get this one straight. Israel is culpable because (a) it won't accept a Palestinian government that includes a terrorist organization sworn to the Jewish state's destruction; (b) it won't help that organization out of its financial jam; and (c) it won't ease a quasi-blockade—jointly imposed with Egypt—on a territory whose central economic activity appears to be building rocket factories and pouring imported concrete into terrorist tunnels.
This is either bald moral idiocy or thinly veiled bigotry. It mistakes effect for cause, treats self-respect as arrogance and self-defense as aggression, and makes demands of the Jewish state that would be dismissed out of hand anywhere else. To argue the Palestinian side, in this war, is to make the case for barbarism. It is to erase, in the name of humanitarianism, the moral distinctions from which the concept of humanity arises."

Exactly right.

So, the upshot is, if you support the Palis, you are an immoral cretin who supports terrorism, lies, and murder. On top of that you aren't very intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:42 AM

http://online.wsj.com/articles/bret-stephens-palestine-makes-you-dumb-1406590159

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:33 AM

And the TRUTH shall set you free.

Hamas kills its own citizens and then blames it on Israel.

On Monday, reports rocketed around the globe of a humanitarian disaster at the Al-Shati refugee camp in Gaza. Eyewitness reports were shared on social media and in news articles and reports of the horrific civilian casualties. Many a finger was pointed at Israel. NBC reported it as a "strike" carried out by an "Israeli drone," stating that it struck in an area full of children.

Israel claimed in response that the incident was the result of a Hamas rocket misfire, rather than an Israeli strike, a claim met with skepticism by many. This morning, an Italian reporter who was in Gaza until today has bolstered Israel's claim, apparently confirming on Twitter that the explosion was indeed the result of a Hamas rocket.

    Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation: misfired rocket killed children yday in Shati. Witness: militants rushed and cleared debris

    — gabrielebarbati (@gabrielebarbati) July 29, 2014

The reporter makes a point that he had to wait until he was safely away from potential Hamas retaliation for reporting this. Other reporters in Gaza, perhaps even NBC reporters, may surely be under similar pressure to watch what they say.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 06:56 AM

In his new book, "Making David Into Goliath: How the World Turned Against Israel" (Encounter Books), Joshua Muravchik, a fellow at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, details the historic campaign to demonize the Mideast's one consistent democracy. Here, he explains how the United Nations went from being an ally to Israel to one of its biggest threats.

How the UN was perverted into a weapon against Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 06:35 AM

So, Hamas sites it's rocket arsenals in UNRWA schools then shelters its citizens in the same schools which are now legitimate targets and the Jew haters denounce Israel which is the whole purpose of Hamas' diabolic campaign. And the more the Jew haters denounce Israel the more Hamas is encouraged to have more of its citizens killed. That is the only reason for what they are doing. They are playing The Jew haters of the world like a fiddle.

Rockets found in UNRWA school, for third time

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 06:09 AM

If Hamas had not fought the "Jewish Entity" this Ramadan, it could have lost hundreds of millions of dollars in Islamic charity "Zakat" that billionaire sheiks of the Arab gulf states give away to jihadi movements, ranging from the Taliban to al-Qaida and now, ISIS, in a manner similar to wealthy Europeans in the 1500s buying "Indulgences" to cleanse their sins.

And so, as I predicted, on July 29, a day after Ramadan and the end to the charity season, a new ceasefire proposal based on the original Egyptian draft came from Cairo.

This time it had the blessings of the top leaders of the Palestinian movement and the government of President Mahmoud Abbas.

A Hamas spokesperson has reportedly rejected the call, but that is part of its tough-guy act to smear other Arabs as weaklings.

After some posturing and machismo, the Hamas leadership will agree to a ceasefire.

As Deep Throat once said, follow the money.​

In Gaza war, follow the money

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 05:06 AM

And Keith's agenda has been suspect for a long time....

Meanwhile, overnight, Israeli terrorists kill 15 people sheltering in a school in a refugee camp. Contrary to Keith's lies about Israel warning people to leave, a la IRA, The UN spokesman Bob Turner said the attack came without warning and after UNRWA had informed Israel that the school was being used officially for refugees. He spoke of Israel's flagrant violation of the neutrality of the premises. A spokesman for The Whitehouse on the radio said that Israel is not respecting the inviolability of UN premises.

Sounds like another war crime to me. Keith asks why we concentrate on Israel and nowhere else. Well at this time, they are the murdering terrorists and this thread is about "small hope" for the area.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 05:00 AM

Steve: your standard of argument on this thread not up to usual quality. Mainly merely assertive rather than rationally postulated.

Keith: Yes. There is very much to denounce in the dire disappointing land that Israel has turned out, against all our early hopes, to be. But that does not prevent the motivations of a whole lot of people who incessantly denounce it, & it alone, among all the nations of the world, must clearly be exceedingly suspect.

Not that Jim will believe I mean it. He seems to think that, becoz I look for justice in posts like this one, I am only ½·❤-ed in my denunciations & go on loving the place after all. I can never convince him otherwise. If I stood on a box at Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park, & yelled full volume, "Israel is shit; Israelis are all cunts" 500 times, he still wouldn't be convinced, & would still go on calling it "lip-service". Just one of that multitude of things on which the Carroll-mind-made-up is entirely impenetrable, so I've just given up on trying to convince him.

Are you listening, Jim?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 04:29 AM

Anti-Semitism does exist.
The anti-Semites will also be anti-Israel, so the anti-Israel movement must include anti-Semites.

I am suspicious of those who always and only criticise Israel, while rarely expressing an opinion about the shortcomings of other nations.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:14 PM

And that demonstrates what, minnow? Eighty percent of people believe in God, you know, and every one of them is almost certainly wrong. The US elected Dubya twice (allegedly), and tell me how right that was.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:08 PM

Over 90 percent of Jewish Israelis believe Operation Protective Edge is justified, with less than 4% saying they think Israeli has used excessive firepower against targets in the Gaza Stip, according to a poll released Tuesday by the Israel Democracy Institute (IDI).

Read more: Over 90% of Jewish Israelis say Gaza op justified | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/over-90-of-jewish-israelis-say-gaza-op-justified/#ixzz38uSkkJZX
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:02 PM

Boo has a tenuous grasp on reality for some time - apparently he has at this point lost even that and descended into the depths of serious psychosis.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:00 PM

I have heard much more hate directed at Israel

You rather mean you have heard people objecting to actions of the Israeli government, don't you?

Or have you gone over to the lunatic fringe that assumes any criticism of the actions of the government of Israel equates with a hatred of Jews and an anti-Semitic bent?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:39 PM

The calls for the dismantling of Israel and shouts to kill Jews on the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, and Frankfurt, to name some of the major European cities where they've occurred, are indicative of a lethal anti-Semitic mass movement. What unifies many European elites, large numbers of Muslims, motley crews of leftists and neo-Nazis is a loathing of the Jewishness of Israel.

You really are barking mad, aren't you, minnow. Are you sure you're not Bibi's uncle? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:09 PM

iron dome like jock strap

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:44 PM

The calls for the dismantling of Israel and shouts to kill Jews on the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, and Frankfurt, to name some of the major European cities where they've occurred, are indicative of a lethal anti-Semitic mass movement. What unifies many European elites, large numbers of Muslims, motley crews of leftists and neo-Nazis is a loathing of the Jewishness of Israel.

Why Anti-Zionism Is Modern Anti-Semitism

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:07 PM

Interesting. I've quoted that song (by a couple of Jews, BTW) more than once on Mudcat. I have been listening to the BBC over the past week and I have heard much more hate directed at Israel than at Palestinians. And in this forum, actually.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 06:45 PM

Hey Bullshot:

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

Like hating them durn Palestinians, you mean - right?

And also anyone who might dare to criticize the actions of the Gov't of Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 06:17 PM

Oh dear, another bout of serial postarrhoea from Bullshot.

Apparently paregoric is no longer effective. May be Amoebic Postarrhoea- more tenacious & difficult to cure.

Perhaps he should seek medical help........

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 05:22 PM

The real reason for the conflict: WATCH

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:11 PM

Throughout the world, throughout history, the #1 enemy of the leftist has always been reality. From one moment to the next, he twists and tweaks his entire worldview to avoid facing what's right in front of him. He lives in an ever-shifting bubble of protective, self-imposed fantasy.

Which is fine until the bad guys, the ones he calls good guys, drop bombs on him.

Several thousand left-wing activists gathered in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square on Saturday evening, calling for an end to bloodshed in the Gaza Strip and a return to negotiations with the Palestinians.

Slogans chanted by the protesters included "Stop the war," "Bring the soldiers back home" and "Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies," Channel 2 reported…

The demonstrations were cut short when Hamas unilaterally ended a humanitarian truce with Israel and resumed rocket-fire from Gaza.

D'oh!

If you think this will change their minds, you've never tried to talk to a leftist. Maybe a handful of them will realize the absurdity of it, but the rest will just incorporate this into their delusional narrative. "Well, Israel forced Hamas to do it," "This is all because of [fill in the blank with some non sequitur]," "I am a good person," etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:51 PM

Well, we know that Musket is very well "educated".


You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:01 PM

"Europe saw some of the ugliest eruptions of blatant anti-Semitism since the 1940s. Critics of Israel often claim that Israel unfairly hides from critics by charging anti-Semitism, but cries of "death to the Jews," "slit the Jews throats," or "Jews to the gas chambers" along with the smashing and torching of Jewish-owned shops and attacks on synagogues, have pulled back the cover, revealing anti-Jewish sentiment that still runs deep, and in most cases remains unspoken in polite circles. We will find out how seriously European leaders address the matter now that we have found what lay hidden behind the curtain of civil discourse."

http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/29/opinion/ghitis-israel-palestine/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:18 PM

Hamas is drowning under the blood it has on its hands.


But the three stooges, GregF, Musket, and Jimmy, keep repeating the Hamas lines and accepting what has been shown to be false.

They support the killing of Palestinian civilians by the 20-30% of those anti-personnel rockets that land in Gaza. Then they accept the Hamas lies that it was Israeli shells - AND REPEAT THOSE LIES in support of Hamas war criminals.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:12 PM

Yeah yeah, everybody has a bias.

Except you lot?

No you dont have a bias as it happens. In order to have a bias you heed to know how to interpret and then ensure distorted accounts match your prejudice.

That takes a degree of intelligence that I fail to notice on these threads.

Cutting and pasting from subjective sources and then calling anyone who sees through them as biased or, remarkably, jew hater, is not debating, it is giving oxygen to bigotry.

Meanwhile, back in reality. The death toll rises. Israel is drowning under the blood it has on its hands.