AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:15 PM

O' death which came from skies
Born in rage of anger
Striking at the heart
Innocents became your instruments.

Minds reel in disbelief
Hearts cry out with sorrow
Images replay
Reminders of 9-11's terror.

Tears and loss prevail
Perhaps tomorrow's light
Will wipe it away?
No, Death came from the skies, all too real.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:17 PM

Hmm. Things really seem to be getting hostile. Here, and in real life. I don't know about where you all live, but here in my small Minnesota town there are long lines of angry people at the gas stations, fistfights at those same gas stations, and people roaming the streets screaming at nothing. About a half hour ago, my father was threatened by baseball-wielding (and ski-mask wearing) teenagers who were pounding on his truck outside.

And here at Mudcat, there's people ranting like low-rent Mussolinis (I won't name names), and/or picking fights with their fellow Mudcatters...

You/we people (Not all of us, of course. You know who you are.) need to RELAX. Yes, today was awful. But you're helpless to change what happened. Any revenge on the terrorists or their 'host countries' will be empty, and will only inspire more terrorism. Things like this can and will happen again, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. Life is horrible, and you, me, and the USA aren't such badasses. If you cannot control your emotions, either go get medicated or stop typing. It's getting annoying, and you're going to regret it tomorrow. :)

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Clifton53
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:17 PM

Thanks Soph, I missed her post in all the hub-bub.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:18 PM

No soph, but I'd advocate taking the "out" on the members of the group responsible, whatever the nationality. I was simply trying to state that if it is the Islamic Jihad, we need to have a better understanding, that they believe in giving lives for the greater cause.

NEW THREAD #5

Spaw

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Troll
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:25 PM

Those who are guilty must pay. Those who are innocent should not.
That said, anyone who harbors the animals who did this or who hinders our search for the guilty must be considered our enemy also. We should not necessarily bomb them but neither should we ever again have any dealings with them at any level.
He who is the friend of my enemy is my enemy also.
Period!

troll

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: blt
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:27 PM

CNN's website describes the apparent bombing in Kabul as being unrelated to anything the US might be doing but caused by a faction internally, something about blowing up a garbage dump. BBC's website has a broader view than most US press, it's worth looking at.

All this talk about revenge being "wired in," I don't think that's accurate. That takes the responsiblity for acting out of the actor's hands, as if there is no such thing as being able to choose thoughtfully, as if being out of control with rage is fine and dandy. Feeling vengeful and actually taking revenge are two separate things. It makes sense to be extremely emotional in the face of such horror, whether one is furious, feels helpless, betrayed, grief-stricken, numb, scared, or combinations of all those and more. The Salon website, from an interview with Anthony Lake, appears to have already decided we're (the US) at war. The question is simply who are we at war with? And, will anyone think it is relevant to fully answer or understand that question before responding militarily?

blt

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:30 PM

PART FIVE

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:44 PM

The group that carried out the attack must be identified and destroyed. That must only be a first step. The frustration of so many people, particularly in the Middle East, is responsible for the rise of despots, terrorists and primitive fundamentalists. There are over two million refuges who have been in limbo for 50 years. Only a few of the lucky ones have been able to emigrate and begin to establish new lives elsewhere in the world, a number of them live in my city and they are good citizens. Fear of domination, subjugation and occupation is rife in the countries of the Middle East and the will follow leaders who can show strength. It has reached a point where strong action is needed. It will take, I believe, occupation by UN forces (or unilateral occupation if necessary) to guarantee boundaries and promote stability. It will be bloody and take a long time but the inaction of the last 50-80 years has created the situation. If nothing is done, there will be more and more of these attacks. Our armed might can win wars, but there is no defence against small fanatic groups unless we become a country with severely restricted liberties.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Escamillo
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 11:59 PM

From this side of the world where 30,000 civilians were killed and disappeared under the sign of hate, we raise our prayers and claim for a "NEVER AGAIN" , once again. We are so deeply sad that we cannot find the words which could comfort anybody.

May we be illuminated to find a solution other than sending our sons (latins included) to kill and die in a foreign country.

Un abrazo - Andrés (from Buenos Aires, Argentina) Sorry for not posting more often. I'm carrying another, personal pain, but I'm ok. I keep all of you in my heart.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 12:43 AM

I'm sorry you're experiencing difficult times, Andres. I hope things improve for you soon.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: DougR
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 12:46 AM

The United States is now at war against Terrorism. Or it soon will be. Terrorism is not solely the enemy of the United States. It is the enemy of any freedom loving country in the world.

Countries that harbor and protect terrorists should pay dearly for their actions. I am not referring to Terrorists that target the U. S. only. We should join with other nations of the world that are threatened by these bullies, and annihilate them as we do the vermin that invades our gardens. This is a new kind of enemy. They are not necessarily a nation, they are cells operating in some instances, independent of governments. They must be eliminated or else they will hold the world in hostage.

So those of you who sympathize with their actions of today should be careful. Your country could be next.

DougR

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Escamillo
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 05:25 AM

"So those of you who sympathize with their actions of today should be careful. Your country could be next. "

Sorry, DougR, this phrase just below my message (which is one of the few coming from another country) intrigues me. If somehow it could be understood that I symphatize with the criminals, it must be a mistake in my poor English. We are absolutely devastated by this disaster. My hope of not having to send young men to the war is not a criticism, it is just a hope. I wish I've clarified the point.

Un abrazo - Andrés

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: kendall
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 05:52 AM

Sophocleese, consider this. Those bastards hit us because we support Isreal, yes? Doesn't Canada support the USA? Is Ottawa next?

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: sophocleese
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 08:03 AM

kendall, damned if I know. What I do know is that if I get killed in a blast of some kind or other I have no desire for my death to be revenged with the death of other innocents.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 08:08 AM

Part 5

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• World Trade Center-Unreal Disaster
• AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
• AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
• AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
• AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**PART SEVEN..thoughts
• AMERICAN ATTACKS=PART EIGHT.more still
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
• AMERICAN ATTACKS*PART TEN-&the future is
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**PART ELEVEN: Long Haul
• American Attacks**Part Fifty - Got him!
• American Attacks**Part Twelve: Steady On
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