AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: GUEST,Bouzouki Bob
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 09:58 PM

It would have been far better for our world, if the attack had been from outer space. At least then all people of the world would be united, we would share a common enemy. It,s hard to beleive that there is anyone in our world, that would have enough hate, to commit such an unspeakable horror, on so many innocent people. God help us all to resolve our differences. B.B.

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• World Trade Center-Unreal Disaster
• AMERICAN ATTACKS--PART TWO
• AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
• AMERICAN ATTACKS- - -PART FOUR
• AMERICAN ATTACKS- - - PART FIVE
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**PART SEVEN..thoughts
• AMERICAN ATTACKS=PART EIGHT.more still
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**Part 9,one week later
• AMERICAN ATTACKS*PART TEN-&the future is
• AMERICAN ATTACKS**PART ELEVEN: Long Haul
• American Attacks**Part Fifty - Got him!
• American Attacks**Part Twelve: Steady On
• American Attacks:Thirteen and Lucky?

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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: CamiSu
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:36 PM

'Seed, I understand. Today is my husband's (and Wavestar's fater's) 50th birthday. I had no time to plan anything and now I am grateful for that. A party now would just be all wrong.

Also my son was down there just this weekend and thought to go to the towers, as he'd not been in a while...

I just pray for all those involved and hope we do not react wrongly. All these innocents hurt and killed, let us not hurt and kill more innocents. If only this would cause us to forswear all war, but it won't.

I am numb, and I'm afraid. God in whatever name you call him, help us all.

CamiSu

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Lanfranc
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:33 PM

Today the world changed irrevokably.

More than Pearl Harbour, more than Hiroshima or Nagasaki or Dresden or Hamburg or Beirut, todays unconscionable atrocity will live in the annals of infamy for as long as our civilisation survives.

As a PR exercise for terrorists everywhere it was without equal. The images that were seared on the retinas of every viewer will have encouraged every tinpot retard with a "cause" to consider how he (or she) can make a similar impact. How can they ever be denied "the oxygen of publicity" when deeds such as these are perpetrated?

Any retaliation will only act as a catalyst to further terrorism, our world is too fragmented, and too many hold real or imagined grievances; too many believe that their cause is just and "God is on my side".

I was close to both the Baltic Exchange and Bishopsgate bombs in London. I know how scared and confused I was, and those were mere cap bombs by comparison to this.

I have worked in the City of London all my adult life, and I have friends and colleagues who work in New York's financial district. I have stood on the top of the WTC, and a painting of the Manhattan skyline hangs in my hallway.

This is beyond belief, and my heartfelt thoughts are with every victim, and every victim's family and friends.

May the final outcome be less dreadful than we all fear.

I can't see how it can be, though.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:33 PM

As I write, missles are falling in the capitol of Afghanistan. No mention of who's missles.

My first reaction to the news this morning, which I read on Mudcat, was the same reaction I had to the Challenger explosion: "Stop it - that's not funny." Then came the realisation that it's not some sick joke.

Forgive me for being disgusted by what I see as opportunistic political flames. I'd think the personal agendas of hate could wait until the bodies of the victims were cold. Then again, the missles sure didn't wait.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: blt
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:28 PM

In Oregon, I didn't understand what had happened until 10:00am PST (3 hours earlier than the East Coast)--then, trying to get information was a bit difficult, NPR was available but I didn't see any video until I went into the treatment center where I work and saw a replay of the collapse of the 2nd tower.

Without trying to be catastrophic, I can only think that this event draws a line in the historical sand. At first, when I read the headlines on the NY Times website, I thought (in denial) that it was some sort of movie trailer, I couldn't comprehend it. I had to go pick up my car at the repair shop, in Portland, it's a gorgeous day, I felt as if I was memorizing every color of every leaf on every tree.

My fears are, of course, of US retailiation. I agree with Amos' description of the possible scenarios. The US was poised, it seems, for this to happen. I don't mean to minimize the destruction, death, and pain to all involved, I just think of the targets, the World Trade Center and the Pentagon--what they might symbolize to someone raised to hate the "West." Without knowing who the perpetrators are, I also fear that jingoism and the panic of misinformation, combined with a sense of blind outrage, will cause more pain, more death.

With profound sadness for all the losses we collectively are experiencing at this point in time, and with a deep belief and trust in the divinity of all life,

blt

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:21 PM

God, this is fucked up!! We watched a lot of it at work. A friend of mine has a tv in his office. I still can't fathom it. And to think of what's to come. The continued loss of life, the fear, the hatred....If we follow suit to go along with th Pearl Harbor analogy that keeps being repeated, it's going to horribly dangerous for people of Arab descent in this country. A couple of weeks ago, I was eating at restaurants in Middle Eastern neighborhoods on Chicago's North Side and treated quite nicely. Now these people might very well be treated like Asian-Americans during WWII. As I type, they are announcing explosions in Kabul, Afghanistan, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. Part of me isn't too upset about us (if it is us) attacking a likely responsible party, and part of me feels guilty about that part.

The 4th plane that landed in Western PA could have been intended to hit a few blocks from where I work. Bell-Telephone/Verizon here in Pittsburgh is a major hub of both phone and internet communications in this country.

I'm getting more upset as I write.
Will write more later.

Rich

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Jock Morris
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:19 PM

I'm sitting here with tears welling in my eyes with the shock of the news from the US. My thoughts are with all those who have lost loved ones or whose loved ones are still unaccounted for.

Scott

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:10 PM

Let's move it again.....

AMERICAN ATTACKS-PART FOUR

..NEW THREAD LINK

Spaw

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: MAV
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:10 PM

To all Euro-catters,

Thanks for all for your thoughts, prayers and compassion.

This action is believed to potentially have more casualties than the total Americans lost in Viet Nam.

Over 150,000 visitors tyically visited the WTC every day. The buildings have a capacity of around 50,000.

This is not just a strike on "America", it's a cowardly attack on innocent American citizens. Many attitudes world wide will have been changed today on a myriad of issues. This day will be significant for the next 100 years.

The terrorists cared not whether the victims white or black, conservative or liberal. They have shown the American people the reality of a dangerous world and need to become a unified nation.

Afganistan being bombed?

Though not real religious....God help us.

mav out

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: GUEST, Guest
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:10 PM

Sorcha: I can't e-mail you because I'm a guest. But if your cousin is stuck for a room, I can probably have him or her set up in the guest suite of our condomnium near the airport, if the room's not booked.

I can give you contact details, if you'd like, by contacting me at [e-mail]

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:09 PM

Part Four

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: SharonA
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM

Kabul, Afghanistan – Explosions indicative of missile strikes and anti-aircraft fire are being reported and shown on TV. No report of who is doing the bombing.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM

Yes, or PM him if I ain't roundabouts.

~S~

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:03 PM

Yea, Suze, I thought so, but SD should not be too overloaded, and she is on company time, so they should spring for a hotel for her. I will e mail her again to make sure, if not I will ask for A's phone, OK?

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:01 PM

Sorcha, Amos is in SD.

My mother and brother are in LA if anyone is stranded there...

My sister is in Chicago...

~S~

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Cobble
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:01 PM

Our thoughts are with you all in US, we lit a candle in the window...

Brian and Margaret

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 06:00 PM

Apparently Afghanistan is being bombed

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:55 PM

Phone lines into NYC still overloaded........my cousin is in San Diego and can't get home......

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Whistleworks
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:54 PM

We will all get through this, as we have in the past. We are a tough bunch. And, as Robert Schuller once said, "Tough times never last, but tough people do".

My thoughts are with the families of those who we lost today.

Bob Pegritz

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:53 PM

Blood will be transferred to affected areas from all over the country, making blood supplies low for some period of time everywhere until they are made up. You can make a big impact by giving now, but if you cannot give now, it will still mean a lot of you can give later.

Please, if you are going to give blood, eat something first!

~Susan

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:49 PM

I live in the Baltimore-Washington area. Local blood donation centers are reporting 4 to 6 hour waits. They are staying open and processing donations 24 hours a day.

jeffp

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:41 PM

I am, I am....

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: GUEST,X-Ed
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:40 PM

Encourage others too!

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:37 PM

I wish I could give blood. Even for those of us who can out here, there is no place to do it. Local hosp not set up, local blood bank too small to have the personell, etc. I will send $$$ to ARC instead.........that is about all I can do.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: GUEST,X-Ed
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:35 PM

GIVE BLOOD! I gave today and the wait was not bad at all. Treatment was top notch. I was informed on a "normal" day the blood banks need 800 donors a day. 11 Sept. 2001 is far from normal. Please do what you can for our fellow Americans. I was so intrusive I went up to strangers and suggested they follow suit. I wish the responses were more positive.

Time for payback. Maybe we should get additional blood donations from the nations that support terrorism.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: flattop
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:31 PM

Amos, you might also want to look at Eric Hoffer's book 'The True Believer.'

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:30 PM

E mail sent to Larry----surely they will check that when they can.........fingers crossed, toes too.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From:
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:29 PM

This is the first chance I've had of getting to the 'Cat since hearing the news.

Like everyone else I can only offer my heartfelt sympathy.

I also pray that the response from the US follows the Lockerbie model not that following the bombing of the US Embassies. Quite apart from the questionable morality of a military response I would suggest it would be unlikely to be of any paractical use. One would expect that any group with the sophistication to organise this attack will also have anticipated such a response and dispersed, probably prior to the attack.

Once again sympathy to all US 'catters.

Pete M

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:27 PM

GOOD poem, Emily P.....spot on!!

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:24 PM

Black bands on my rowan and "who knows" trees, also on my car antenna..........

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: jeffp
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:23 PM

My 18-year-old stepdaughter wrote this in response to today's events and asked me to share it with you.

911
by Emily Pennington, 2001

Words nor sayings ain't nothin'...
The world will continue frontin'
Sh*t, we livin' in our last days -
It don't matter what nobody says or will say.
Our destinies are chosen
Still we need to stay strong and keep focus
Regardless, life can be hard... Don't dare let that tear us apart.
Even though, every day we strive
Keep hope alive.
I beg of you - don't give up yet.
For one day, justice we shall get...
Faith may be the only true investment.
Motha' f*ckers ain't truly ready for this testin'...
But realize life is precious -
As much as lust bein' lucious...
Give up,
Then we're all stuck.
God's in control
So let life go on and roll.
Remember, play every dat
And never let a moment slip away....

*911*
God bless all of us...

Just one young person's view on things. For your consideration.

jeffp
God help us all.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Penny S.
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:20 PM

My thoughts and prayers are with all the victims - which probably means all of you in and from the United States. I am finding it almost impossible to grasp. Only by comparing the tragedy with natural disasters can I make sense of the scale. Making sense of people who would take innocent travellers and use them as a bomb to destroy even more people is not possible.

Again, my inadequate sympathy is with you.

penny

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:10 PM

We all are. The question is whether to retreat from it, or step up to it with the intent to better it.

Either choice has scary sides, but one has rewards.

A.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Jack The Lad
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:08 PM

Our thoughts and prayers are with you all. with the victims and with the bereaved. with the shocked and with the numbed with the torn and with the mamed with the blind and with the mislead violence and terror will not conquer

Jack The Lad- in Israel

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: mkebenn
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:06 PM

So much pain, so much loss, so much danger, and yet, to me , the citizens of NYC are shining as millions of individual heros.. I am afraid of the future.. Mike

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:05 PM

Whoever did it also chose commercial airliners on their way to the west coast with large amounts of fuel in their tanks, which, I'm sure, contributed to the damage. Amazingly, they also chose planes with many less passengers than capacity.

Even spending all day here at Mudcat and on several news sites and listening to the radio and seeing photographs, it's still totally unreal. That this many innocent people could be killed to, what? Make a point? God help us ALL.

Bat Goddess

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:03 PM

Sorcha - call, definitely.

"They" are at war with "us" whether "we" are at war with "them" or not.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:00 PM

Should we keep trying, kat, or back off a while????

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 05:00 PM

I hope that any response will be a reasoned one, and I believe it will be. I hope you are right Dicho. But the precedents on this kind of thing aren't too enouraging.

As for the WTC collapse - I'd suspect gas explosions and electrtrical explosions and so forth would be more likely than carefully coordinated secondary bombs planted. If whoever did it had the people and orgaisation in place for that, I'd have thought they'd have been more likely to target additional buildings.

The reason I say that is not because the technical ins-and-outs of it are what matter at this time. They are not. But there is a danger of exaggerating the powewr and ability to stroke of an invisible enemy, and that is a dangerous thing to do. It feeds into the kind of panic in which bad mistakes are made. I'm thinking of things like the internment camps for Japanese Americans in the wake of Pearl Harbour.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:59 PM

I have Larry's number, but the circuits are understandably all busy. Same thing with Dan's.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:59 PM

I think I have found a home number for InOBU---should I try it? Does someone who knows him better than I do want to try? PM me, and I'll give you the number.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: John Hardly
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:56 PM

Well, this is rich.

I've been listening to NBC all day and it is there implicit editorial position that we had it coming to us.

More specifically, it is the new administration's fault for re-affirming our commitment to alliance with Israel.

Why it would not instead occur to them (NBC) to take this as affirmation that we have chosen our allies more correctly and that, by action, the Arabs have proven themselves to be no friend of ours is beyond me.

I have no problem with an Arabs as a race, as individuals, ethnically. I think racism is highly immoral. But if I had to fly somewhere tomorrow, and American or United Airlines offered a choice between non-smoking or Arab-free, I'd fly Arab free airlines.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:56 PM

Sorry but I ain't go no jokes in me tonight.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: GUEST,AliUk
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:54 PM

'spaw. I read that book and know exactly what you are talking about. Also...for those who live in the UK, my hometown has a very large population of muslims and they are hard to comprehend. Their intepretations of the koran are even more subjective than many christian interpretation of the bible and they seem to take and twist God's words how they wish them to be. They have a fanaticism that I personally have always believed would be the cause of world war more than the soviet threat ever was. Now this does not mean that I believe that allo muslims are fundamentalist fanantics, buit they sure do breed more of them than most. the war in th Palestine is between Israel and the Palestinians, why the hell do we need to get involved? See what happens!

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:53 PM

Not to mention that the amount of FUEL on a coast-to-coast flight, as all of these planes were intended to be, makes this a HUGE mo'fo' bomb.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Deda
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM

Seed, my sympathies for having your b'day ruined. My own son's b'day is April 20th. On his 21st b'day 15 kids died at Columbine high school -- and we live in Colorado. I would say that your birth, like his, is nevertheless something worthy of celebration, albeit, today at least, with a little solemnity.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM

What an Inpossable day... THe local news stations around New York have shown many horoic people doing good in a horific situatoin. THe activity of doing something good and possative is the only sane responce open to "Men of Good Will". "Peace to men of good will" is an activity in such a situation. Pease ( nonviolence is dangerous). My thanks to old freinds here for being here. THis is a good place to talk.. All the best , GUy<><><><><><><>>><><><><><>>>,.

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:48 PM

I was just sent an office number for Larry's (InOBU) wife. I rec'd it because of the similarity of his band name/my name. I tried to call it, and rec'd no answer......

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:47 PM

They were sophisticated enought to synchronize the theft of four airlines, time their collisions with targets (except one) and fly them into buildings. They were quite sophisticated enough to assess the structural weaknesses of the WTC towers. I would hazard a guess that bomb-proofing was not part of the original specification for those towers, nor the budget. They were strong enough to stand comfortably for years in all kinds of whether. Maybe noone thought they would be military targets.

A

Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS---PART THREE
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 04:47 PM

What an Inpossable day... THe local news stations around New York have shown many horoic people doing good in a horific situatoin. THe activity of doing something good and possative is the only sane responce open to "Men of God Will". "Peace to men of good will" is an activity in such a situation. Pease ( nonviolence is dangerous). My thanks to old freinds here for being here. THis is a good place to talk.. All the best , GUy<><><><><><><>>><><><><><>>>,.