BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 11:41 PM

well! It never needed to be revived for me...it was never dead. I have used piffle & balderdash as long as I can remember...but only when warrented. A sterling word, piffle! Encompassing myriads of etymological nuances within two innocuous syllables; elegantly explicating instances of gratuitous pomposity with one flourish of dismissive disdain!

But, I do thank you, oh unnamed one, for finding such erudite explanations of the history of the ever so useful term!+

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 11:53 PM

"I like seeing my brilliant analyses in print!"

Ha! Wonderful statement, Bill. It is my belief that that might be the single most compelling reason driving most of us to post on this forum. That, and the fact that we just can't help ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:09 AM

"well! It never needed to be revived for me...it was never dead. I have used piffle & balderdash as long as I can remember...but only when warrented. A sterling word, piffle! Encompassing myriads of etymological nuances within two innocuous syllables; elegantly explicating instances of gratuitous pomposity with one flourish of dismissive disdain!"

I had to see that post again. Bill, it's beautiful.

It also showed me that piffle doesn't rhyme with Tripoli.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: JennyO
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:49 AM

The Piffle and the Pish-Tosh fought,
But neither was the winner.
The Ugly Stubble settled things
By having them for dinner.

from Beastly Rhymes
by Jack Hanrahan and Phil Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:39 AM

The following thread has been relegated to the BS section of our forum and then closed by persons unknown and for reasons unknown - as there was no editing comment of explanation provided.

TECH Longer thread titles please

Partly because a fellow poster - having seen it - then decided for some reason to refresh this earlier one.

Tech Problems with thread titles

I may well have refreshed the earier thread had I not made what I thought was the safe assumption that it would have been closed by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team, along with all the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 08:19 AM

I shouldn't do this, but every now & then a slightly different point strike me.

If you really fell you shouldn't do something - you wouldn't do it. But just like I am trying to do - all you are doing is posting your views to a discussion forum set-up by Max for that purpose. Who do you feel you have to excuse yourself to for doing this? The baying mob?

I am not claiming that by this simple act you are: Attacking, Crowding-out, Abusing, Dominating, Violating, Hijacking or any of the emotive judgements that are encouraged to be made to describe the simple act of me posting my views to our forum.

But, they're NOT all equal. They start equal; that is, with equal privileges- just like citizens of a country. Then, if they do things that violate the standards (rules, laws, etc.), they 'may' be be treated as special cases and have some of those privileges restricted or revoked.

Piffle

Bill - although it may not work all that well in practice - you are lucky enough to live in country that is founded on the princple of equality.

When the behaviour of all is expected to follow whatever 'rules' are in place - then there can be some jusfication for imposing some sanctions upon those who are seen (and usually proved in court) to have broken those 'rules'.

Those who would feel qualified to impose their judgement upon me and other posters must be always seen to be acting impartially.

It is quite simple - if anyone is seen to indulge in and encourge by example the posting of abusive personal judgements and to be seen to ignore this when it is aimed at certain easy targets - their judgements will have no credibilty.

Bill - I suspect you will tell us that we can have a fair sporting contest of football when the referees are seen to not only to choose to partipate as players, but to send some players off for bad conduct, ignore others, and indulge themselves in this bad conduct? And who halfway through, then decide to change the rules in order to get all the participants to play rugby instead. And to do this with a bag over their heads in order to protect their identity?

All I have tried to do is to post and point out that you cannot keep on pretending that such a thing is a fair sporting contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 09:19 AM

I dunno' ShambyPamby..........Doesn't seem fair huh? You may be right. The League Owner/Head Referee/Big Kahuna himself gave you a Red Card and yet you're still playing.

Nope, you're right.........That ain't fair.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 11:37 AM

Not so, Spaw. If the head kahuna had wanted to enforce that, Shambles' address would have been blocked.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 12:14 PM

I see I was right...he didn't get my point.

I don't suppose a long post explaining to Shambles where his 'sports' metaphors break down would help much..........

but, just to show that *I* know, here's a brief synopsis.

"ahem": In the Mudcat, the 'referees' are by definition, part of the game. We are not on a field playing a game...we are not trying to win any prizes...'fair & equal' means something different when prizes are involved.

that's enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 01:35 PM

Consider the rights of others before your own feelings, and the feelings of others before your own rights.

John Wooden

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 01:59 PM

"You have the right to remain silent"

Miranda warning.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 02:02 PM

Or in the case of government and military personnel: "You have the duty to remain silent (or else!)"

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 02:38 PM

That's not funny! -;)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:16 PM

Things turn out the best for people who make the best of the way things turn out.

John Wooden

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:19 PM

The following thread has been relegated to the BS section of our forum and then closed by persons unknown and for reasons unknown - as there was no editing comment of explanation provided.

TECH Longer thread titles please

Partly because a fellow poster - having seen it - then decided for some reason to refresh this earlier one. (Shambles)

Nonsense, Shambles. If "for reasons unknown" in the first line is correct the use of "because" in the third line makes no sense. However, if you want to use the "because" in the third line you may not say "for reasons unknown" in the first line.

Make up your mind, think, and then try to post coherent thoughts.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:28 PM

"ahem": In the Mudcat, the 'referees' are by definition, part of the game. We are not on a field playing a game...we are not trying to win any prizes...'fair & equal' means something different when prizes are involved.

Double piffle.

Bill - It explains a lot - when you only judge that people 'get it' when they agree with what you say.

Most of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's deletions, and selective restriction - which you defend - are justified by him on the grounds that what he is trying to prevent is somehow 'unfair'.

Anything other than blind support and admiration for his efforts at imposing this 'fairness' is described by him as 'unfair'. Mainly because he sees them as well-intentioned. And so they are.

Many sporting activities are undertaken only for fun but even the most good-natured of these would swiftly degenerate into bad-tempered shouting matches if referees wished to participate as players. Perhaps you would accept that this would be thought as unfair?

The chief architect of all the counter-productive imposition and the main supporter of all the division amomg posters on our forum - has publicly admitted that these measures have failed to impose the peace he requires. So why are so many people still posting to support these measures as the status quo - when he has given up on these rules and wishes to impose a new set and play a different game? A game in which our non-members would be excluded.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:33 PM

"Many sporting activities are undertaken only for fun but even the most good-natured of these would swiftly degenerate into bad-tempered shouting matches if referees wished to participate as players."

Triple piffle. (Be careful not to step in it.)

Firt of all, the comparision makes no sense whatsoever. The situation that Shambles is creating does not happen in sports and Mudcat is not a sport. The arguement does not have any logic behind it and is a red herring.

Last but not least, no one has "give up on these rules" that Shambles alludes to. It isn't a game, the rules can be changed at any time.

IT IS NOT A GAME!! ILLOGICAL COMPARISON!!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:36 PM

It would be interesting to see shambles take up computer programming. I'd love to see what he would make of AND, OR, NOT, IF, ELSE, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:48 PM

thanks, Ron...I couldn't have said it better myself...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:08 PM

Shambles IS the pied piper of mudcat. They're biting good today.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:15 PM

It isn't a game, the rules can be changed at any time.

Of course - and if you take no responsibilty for the resulting chaos and confusion you can do this as often and for as many illogical reasons as you can dream up. But why pretend to our forum that this is all being undertaken and can be justified in the name of supporting some concept of 'fairness and reasonable discussion?

And why then publicly inform our forum that these best efforts have failed and that the only way to impose the 'peace' you require - is to exclude the free and open access for the public contributions that has made our form what it is?

All this sillyness can be supported - but only if you forget what the object of an open discussion forum actually is and sell all this so-called 'moderation' as an object in itself - which has no purpose but to be served and to which everything else can safely be sacrificed?

It appears now as if many posters have forgotten what the object is.

You cannot enable and support free discussion by introducing and supporting selective and unfair measures and restrictions designed only to prevent it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:24 PM

The piffle skiffle, what's the diffle?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:29 PM

"And why then publicly inform our forum that these best efforts have failed and that the only way to impose the 'peace' you require - is to exclude the free and open access for the public contributions that has made our form what it is?"

a. I don't think they ever actually said that. Your cut and pastes have never shown that was what they said.

b. Even if they did say it, what is wrong with changing the rules? They own the "playing field" to use your errant analogy once again. If they do not care for the way their forum runs, they can make changes. They pay the bills (with help of course) and we are free to use the site if we wish.

c. If you don't like the rules, no one forces you to "play the game". It is obvious that it won't change, you won't get your way, so why keep kicking your feet and holding your breath?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:37 PM

What I do not understand is this: If so many of you don't like what Shambles posts or says, why do you continue to read what he writes? Then post piffle--assuming piffle can be a noun or adjective instead of just an interjection--to what, get even with him? You folks try to portray yourselves as smarter than that, but few of you are coming across that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:42 PM

What I do not understand is this: If so many of you don't like what Shambles posts or says, why do you continue to read what he writes?

A similar question could be asked of you but, in any case, I like some of what shambles writes. It is unintentionally hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:48 PM

I enjoy Shambles writing. So, no, the same could not be said of me you presumptuous dink.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 04:57 PM

"If so many of you don't like what Shambles posts or says, why do you continue to read what he writes? Then post piffle--assuming piffle can be a noun or adjective instead of just an interjection--to what, get even with him? You folks try to portray yourselves as smarter than that, but few of you are coming across that way."

So why do you post if you do not care what we are saying?   Sounds hypocritical to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

I like to read Shambles' posts. YHow many times you need to have that said to you?

You are the one who doesn't like his posts. Why do you add to it all if you don't like his posts? You so enraptured with the mission of 'talking sense' to Shambles that you can't go post philosophy on a thread where it will be appreciated? You guys love walls, because you argue with so many of them. Shambles has done you all one better. And many of you seem too myopic to grasp that as fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:32 PM

oh, lovely! We've got the guests bickering and calling each other names! Trolls maybe worth something after all....at least for passing entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:43 PM

I don't like guest. It's an idiot who disagrees with someone just because they can't stand him.

He's right about all of you. This keeps on happening because you deserve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:49 PM

Meanwhile, the slow descent of North American parakeets and budgies into moral depravity continues, and no one does anything about it!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:53 PM

If Shambles' posts bother you, don't read them.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 05:55 PM

stop this NOW

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:01 PM

I enjoy Shambles writing. So, no, the same could not be said of me you presumptuous dink.

I said a similar question could be asked of you.

The similar question is "if you don't like what we are saying, why bother reading"? Why don't you take your own advice and ignore us?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

Because I don't like to see one person ganged up on by lots of others. It's cheap.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

Yes, Emma! That's what I mean!!!! Shocking, isn't it? Note how they are wide-eyed in shock themselves, realizing that they have been caught by the camera engaging in an illicit act of avian adultery!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:07 PM

Because I don't like to see one person ganged up on by lots of others.

He is not being ganged up on. He keeps post wishing for replies. If you don't like the replies, tell shambles to shut up and then he will not get replies you don't like to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:09 PM

Tell it to the marines.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:11 PM

I don't mind reading your replies. I just don't understand why you make those replies.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:11 PM

Those are b****y big budgies!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:13 PM

Ain't THAT the truth. Cook at 350 degrees and they'll be done in four days and three hours, give or take.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:14 PM

celebrated in folk song too

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:16 PM

I don't mind reading your replies.

Stop complaining about them then.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:21 PM

I'm not. You are full of piffle.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:24 PM

Time for a recipe methinks
G☺☻

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:26 PM

There was a lioness in this picture, but he scared her away.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:31 PM

8 ounces lump crab meat
1/4 cup finely chopped celery
1/4 cup finely chopped onion
1/2 small clove garlic, finely minced, or dash garlic powder
1 tablespoon finely chopped red bell pepper
1 egg
2 tablespoons mayonnaise
1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
1 cup soft bread crumbs
1 1/2 teaspoons Creole seasoning
4 tablespoons butter


As you have surmised, that is a recipe for crab cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:31 PM

Great Chieftain O' the Pudden Race.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



   * 1 sheep's lung (illegal in the U.S.; may be omitted if not available)
    * 1 sheep's stomach
    * 1 sheep heart
    * 1 sheep liver
    * 1/2 lb fresh suet (kidney leaf fat is preferred)
    * 3/4 cup oatmeal (the ground type, NOT the Quaker Oats type!)
    * 3 onions, finely chopped
    * 1 teaspoon salt
    * 1 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
    * 1/2 teaspoon cayenne
    * 1/2 teaspoon nutmeg
    * 3/4 cup stock

Wash lungs and stomach well, rub with salt and rinse. Remove membranes and excess fat. Soak in cold salted water for several hours. Turn stomach inside out for stuffing.

Cover heart and liver with cold water. Bring to a boil, reduce heat, cover and simmer for 30 minutes. Chop heart and coarsely grate liver. Toast oatmeal in a skillet on top of the stove, stirring frequently, until golden. Combine all ingredients and mix well. Loosely pack mixture into stomach, about two-thirds full. Remember, oatmeal expands in cooking.

Press any air out of stomach and truss securely. Put into boiling water to cover. Simmer for 3 hours, uncovered, adding more water as needed to maintain water level. Prick stomach several times with a sharp needle when it begins to swell; this keeps the bag from bursting. Place on a hot platter, removing trussing strings. Serve with a spoon. Ceremoniously served with "neeps, tatties and nips" -- mashed turnips, mashed potatoes, nips of whiskey.

Yummy !

G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:32 PM

ok - favourite recipe for mudcake for mudcatters everywhere

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Emma B
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:33 PM

*****'s Favourite Mud Cake

Ingredients:
1 car - fuelled up and ready to go
car keys
1 purse
money
1 Cheesecake Shop

Method:

1. Place money in purse
2. Grab car keys and hop into car
3. Drive car to nearest Cheesecake Shop
4. Stop car, hop out and take purse with you into Cheesecake Shop
5. Ask lady for a Mud Cake
6. Open purse and hand over money
7. Take mud cake home and enjoy.

Her cooking skills may not be that good, but she makes GREAT lace!

Collected by Bert Christensen
Toronto, Ontario

web site: http://bertc.com