BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:22 PM

Animal Farm (1945) - satirical allegory of the Russian Revolution, particularly directed against Stalin's Russia.

Led by the pigs, the Animals on Mr Jones's farm revolt against their human masters. After their victory they decide to run the farm themselves on egalitarian principles. Inspired by the example of Boxer, the hard-working horse, the cooperation prosper. The pigs become corrupted by power and a new tyranny is established under Napoleon (Stalin). 'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'

Snowball (Trotsky), an idealist, is driven out.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:48 PM

Mental health hotline

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:49 PM

The following thread Shambles & birthdays, why?   has now been closed.

With the following editing comment inserted into the following post.

Subject: RE: Shambles & Birthdays, Why?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko - PM
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 04:30 PM

Keep posting them Shambles. They are fun. I always like to be reminded of anniversaries and birthdays. I have a "day in history" feature on my blogsite - www.ronolesko.blogspot.com , and I also have gathered birthday information from many of the artists whose music I play on the radio. I think a commemoration once a year is worth a mention and a rememberance.

I also feel the obit threads are important. As Lee Hays would say, I like to check them to make sure that I am not in them!

This thread should never have been started. In general, we do not allow threads that attack other Mudcatters. UIt might have been appropriate to question the proliferation of birthday threads in a birthday thread, but starting a new thread to directly challenge Shambles has the tone of a personal attack. As a rule, I close or delete all threads directed at our usual trolls. Therefore, I'm closing this one.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:39 AM

Yet another gem - not to be missed - from the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum.

http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3396&messages=22

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:01 AM

Yet another gem - not to be missed - from the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum

I agree, for I laughed a lot about you when reading it.
Why do you post anonymously there, Shambles?
Just not to be seen in the open bitching in the "snitcher's corner?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:34 AM

Why do you post anonymously there, Shambles?

Why do you ask?

Do you really think that I can post anonymously?

I know who I am.

And being anonymous there or on our forum is not a problem - is it? It does appear to be in this post for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team.

I am a member of our forum - when I post here - I do not have to keep on putting my name to my posts - this is done automatically. So why cannot this be the case on snitchers corner? After posting there for a while you just tire of putting your name in.

After posting there for a while you can also tire of living................

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:34 AM

Hard to miss his garbled syntax and convoluted logic isn't it Wolfgang?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:10 AM

Perhaps the logic of relegating a music thread to the BS because the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team judges its contents to be 'trash' - can be explained?

Its contents may well judged to be 'trash' - but it remains a music thread - even if it is a music thread containing 'trash'. If that is what posters on the music section have posted to it - that IS what they have chosen to post to it and this should be accepted - rather than value judged by our 'moderators'.

Its relgation to the BS will not make the existing 'trash' go away - only ensure that anyone 'googling' on either Kate Rusby's or John McCusker's names will now be more likely to find even more non-music related comments in this thread.

Our forum does not have a music section and a 'trash' section. But the relegation of threads that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team judges to be 'trash' to the BS section - rather implies that he does judge the BS section to be 'trash'?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:19 AM

When a thread likes this gets almost 1600 posts and you keep repeating yourself more then a person who has eaten an entire pot of baked beans does then it proves that the BS sectio is trash. A section is what we make it. We've all mad this section totally laughable. It definitiely qualifies as trash in my book. And you, Shambles, are the biggest garbage man,

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:02 AM

"After posting there for a while you just tire of putting your name in"

There's a solution for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:09 PM

There's a solution for that.

Thanks Paul - I will put your name in the box instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:36 PM

But suddenly the dogs sitting round Napoleon let out deep, menacing growls, and the pigs fell silent and sat down again. Then the sheep broke out into a tremendous bleating of "Four legs good, two legs bad!" which went on for nearly a quarter of an hour and put an end to any chance of discussion.

Afterwards Squealer was sent round the farm to explain the new arrangement to the others.

"Comrades," he said, "I trust that every animal here appreciates the sacrifice that Comrade Napoleon has made in taking this extra labour upon himself. Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure! On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility.

No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be? Suppose you had decided to follow Snowball, with his moonshine of windmills-Snowball, who, as we now know, was no better than a criminal?"

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 12:50 PM

Did I dream posting to a thread called something like 'Welcome Guests'?

If I did - I dreamed that Wolfgang posted to it also.

For this entire thread and all of its posts now seem to have vanished without trace..............

Is this yet another case of 'silent deletion' by persons unknown and for reasons unknown?

Or is it a software glitch or is this also due to the upgrade?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:23 PM

After posting there for a while you just tire of putting your name in. (Shambles)

You're not honest with yourself and with us, Shambles. Your tiredness coincided exactly with your use of the term "snitcher's corner" for the help forum. That's why. Perhaps you could just once be honest about your motives for a certain move. That would be a very welcome change from your usual behaviour.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:36 PM

Shambels you are really only adding fuel to the fire.

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Keep annoying people. Soon none of us will be annoyed by you anymore. Bye bye. Fare thee well. Ta ta,see you around.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 01:37 PM

Shambles - there is no "wrongly deleted". The owner of the site reserves the right to delete, edit, change, move, etc any posting. His appointed proxies may do the same. That's fact.

Max has said he will not discuss such issues except in private communication - ie: off the forum. so if there is something done that you don't like - you have to take it up with him. So far, it appears you refuse to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:38 PM

Shambles - there is no "wrongly deleted".

MMario - Perhaps you would accept that doing anything that does not meet the criteria required - is wrong?

And that preventing this abuse - is the point of having criteria.

I suggest you take this one up with whoever it was that informed our forum that the closure (of both threads) did not meet the required criteria for 'silent deletion' and who overuled this decision (as wrong) and who later restored/combined them?

And who expected to be shown gratitude for putting right these instances of two entire threads being wrongly silently deleted by persons unknown. But who has yet to comment on the latest vanishing thread. Perhaps the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is trying to establish who was responsible for this latest one?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 02:40 PM

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 03:13 PM

"Thanks Paul - I will put your name in the box instead. "

Forging posts from me, eh? Your righteousness has really slipped now.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:45 PM

You're not honest with yourself and with us, Shambles. Your tiredness coincided exactly with your use of the term "snitcher's corner" for the help forum.

This thread will show that this acusation is not correct and that this 'tiredness' goes way back.

Guest Postings

Sadly that thread also shows that anonymous people wrongly imposing editing action for which the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team needs to reverse - also goes way back.

And still no measures are announced to prevent it happening again.

Any suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 05:49 PM

It's not our call Roger, any more than it is yours, it's up to Max and his Gnomes as to what changes are made if any.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 06:37 PM

It's not our call Roger, any more than it is yours, it's up to Max and his Gnomes as to what changes are made if any.
Giok

It is perhaps our call to bring attention to when such instances of abuse occur - without being subject to special posting restrictions for trying to make these attempts?

Without any changes announced to address a constantly repeated problem of controlling the actions of some of our anonymous 'moderators' - perhaps our forum should not be given empty assurances like these?

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

And references to so-called criteria that some of our anonymous 'moderators' are seen to openly ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 07:07 PM

There were many more creatures on the farm now, though the increase was not so great as had been expected in earlier years. Many animals had been born to whom the Rebellion was only a dim tradition, passed on by word of mouth, and others had been bought who had never heard mention of such a thing before their arrival.

The farm possessed three horses now besides Clover. They were fine upstanding beasts, willing workers and good comrades, but very stupid. None of them proved able to learn the alphabet beyond the letter B. They accepted everything that they were told about the Rebellion and the principles of Animalism, especially from Clover, for whom they had an almost filial respect; but it was doubtful whether they understood very much of it.

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:46 PM

"It is perhaps our call to bring attention to when such instances of abuse occur - without being subject to special posting restrictions for trying to make these attempts?"

Then send Max a PM Dumbass. Scared? Sure you are Shamby. Max might even respond and tell you to go fuck yourself! You're really diving deep into the crazy hole anymore. Is this just for our benefit or are you doing this shit with friends around town and acting this wacky in your own home? If so, you can't be too far from some serious talks with some nice people who will give you a padded room.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 02:20 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 04:14 PM

I agree that if one uses personal attacks on Shambles, they will be eliminated. If they are responding to him, silly though I believe that to be, that will be allowed.

What ever this criteria is supposed to be - it does not appear (from the previous post) to be these posts (or their posters) that are eliminated as our forum is assured - as long as such posts are from certain favoured posters and are seen to be attacking certain easy targets. Or even from the 'moderator' himself - who is explaining this criteria to our forum.

But entire threads with all of their posts are eliminated.

Do you remember also posting to this recent one Wolfgang - or did I dream it?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:00 AM

One man's abuse is another man's sensible editing!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:23 AM

Forging posts from me, eh? Your righteousness has really slipped now.

Are you still scratching around to try a find the 'crime' to match what I have already been publicly hounded, judged, convicted and sentenced for?

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Is it really too much to expect those who 'moderate' our forum and those few who noisily post to support them - to accept the reality?

Whether you accept or not, the current Chief of the Editing Team's assessment or the suggested cure for what he finds wanting - expressed in the following - there is little point in pretending that our forum is anything other than it really is.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

But the pretence continues.

Some poster's loyaly support the best efforts of our 'moderators' - when they have no way of knowing what the true nature and current level of imposed censorship and 'silent deletion' really is. And despite the fact that the Chief proponent of these 'best efforts' no longer sees them as effective without further restrictions being imposed and a radical change made to the open posting policy that has always been the case on our forum.

The so-called criteria for this censorship is seen to be ignored at the same time that worthless assurances like the following are given.

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

For it is clear from the evidence in this thread - that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team would have no idea if this poster's contribution had been 'silently deleted' along with all the other posts, when an entire thread is wrongly deleted by some anonymous 'moderator' using criteria of their own.

Such assurances are well-intended but simply repeating such assurances when time after time the evidence shows them to be worthless, is as damaging to our forum as being seen to impose special posting restrictions on individuals who post simply to try to point this out, And who continue to do this in the hope that it will finally be addressed.

If our 'moderators' do not wish me to keep posting to point out where entire threads and all their posts have been wrongly 'siletly deleted' - then please address how prevent it from happening..................

Rather than being seen to using their 'best efforts' only to try and prevent me from pointing it out and trying to get our forum to openly discuss it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 05:29 AM

One man's abuse is another man's sensible editing!

To protect posters from this - is why criteria is introduced.

It also protects the one's imposing the editing from accusations that their actions may be personally motivated.

But not if the so-called criteria is seen to be simply and repeatedly ignored - as is clearly and sadly the case here over many years.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 06:08 AM

Forging posts from me, eh? Your righteousness has really slipped now.

Are you still scratching around to try a find the 'crime' to match what I have already been publicly hounded, judged, convicted and sentenced for?


I obviously didn't need to, did I? It was your response to a remark of mine that you would post as me. I didn't twist your arm to make you suggest it. Take some responsibility for your suggestion won't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 08:52 AM

Shambles- you definetley are a mad person.
anyway= if you was a member of my family, i would lock you in the cupboard, i would say="look shambles, theres a big cake in that cupboard", and when you went to look, i would lock you in, till you promise to stop moaning, (i would make you sign a letter waht i pushed under the door).

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:23 AM

"Whether you accept or not, the current Chief of the Editing Team's assessment or the suggested cure for what he finds wanting - expressed in the following - there is little point in pretending that our forum is anything other than it really is."

You're right Shamples, Max's forum is what it is. If you don't like what it is then leave, start your own forum or just try to find an ideal place for yourself that meets all of your utopian criteria.

Or, you can send a PM to Max. No one else here seems to support you so go right to the top and plead your case. WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!

Also, why don't you just post the entire Animal Farm. That should keep you occupied for a while typing it all into your little computer.

Just stop annoying everyone because as you know:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 09:50 AM

PERSECUTION ALERT

ATTENTION SHAMBLES.......Once again you are being targeted as a second (or third or ninetheenth or seven hundred and forty-sixth) class citizen of Mudcat!!! There is a thread running with pictures and even video RIGHT IN THE THREAD!!!

You can't do that! If you did it some terrible moderator would delete your posts 'cause its against the rules. But no one is messing with this thread so I guess its okay for certain ones but not for all.    Quick....You can post this anonymously in your "Snitcher's Corner".......

TIME TO START A NEW CAMPAIGN

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Nov 06 - 04:17 PM

I stand corrected, Shambles. You have posted under your name in the help forum after you have used the expression "snitcher's corner".

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:15 AM

I stand corrected, Shambles. You have posted under your name in the help forum after you have used the expression "snitcher's corner".

Thank you Wolfgang.

Perhaps rather than just trying to ignore this - you could also confirm that you did also post to the recent thread I have referred to, and that your post there, along with all the others in that entire thread, has vanished without trace or explanation?

Perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:32 AM

Ron Olesko says.

I've stopped posting to this thread, but I've been observing. I hope others might try it and learn some of the things that I have by simply watching. No one wins, no one is right.
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[PM] WFDU - Ron Olesko BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. (1584* d) RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. 30 Oct 06

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:57 AM

"Perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?"

When are you going to wake up to the FACT that you have absolutely NO CONTROL over this? If something is deleted that is then overturned, Max, Jeff, or Joe handle the situation with the elf involved. If they feel the clone isn't doing the job that Max expects, THEY will handle it. You don't have a damn thing to say about it. There are a number of threads and posts that have been deleted over the years that don't match Joe's criteria but Joe and the Clones are still on the job and to the best of my knowledge, NONE have been fired. Even if they have, that's none of your business or mine. It's Max's call. Remember too that Max and company reserve the right to do whatever.

And don't throw out that aged Max line about the rules because it is obviously NOT the situation anymore.

You're completely off the deep end Shamby. Are you really like this in 3D? LMAO.....you're a friggin' nutcase if you are! Actually, those poor souls around you are probably going bats just trying to deal with you.......LOL.....Have a great day and watch for the "White Coats."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:45 AM

So posters can now only post about things they have some control over?

Like Iraq, Sudan and Third World Dept etc.

Where has Max ever stated such a thing?

When judgement is imposed on the invited contributions of posters, this is undertaken in their name, in order to protect them and certain assurances are given for the criteria required - perhaps they can be expected to seen to question this - if these assurances are not seen to be honoured and be able to have their say on this - as they would on any other issue?

And to be able to post on this subject as often as any other?

I am sure we will all be concerned about climate change and continue to post these concerns - even when we accept that it something we REALLY have little or no control over?

As it is still generally accepted that our forum will be what its posters make it - perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:55 AM

You repeatedly use the term 'our forum' when in the light of what you post, what you mean is 'MY forum' This whole waste of space thread is all about you, and not about Mudcat at all.
You remind me of Violet Elizabeth Bott, but with one difference. You scream and you scream, and you scream, till you make US sick!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:42 AM

I personally don't give a damn Sham.......and neither should you. You keep rehashing this same stuff over and over. Nobody but you much cares! You keep restating that the place is for fun.....Then have some and forget about the other stuff. It's a website. Its very much a community too, but it's a website. There are no guarantees of free speech or personal rights. What Max says is what goes.

Got a problem? Then take it up with Max thru the PM's you constantly have praised. You've already stated the smae things at least 50 times each......Nothing new has been said since Hector was a pup and Hector has been dead now for a long time......as I recall he died from you kicking him. And remember, abuse of animals is directly related to domestic violence.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:56 AM

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Family Ointment
From: GUEST,8iawv2mu70 - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 08:22 AM

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This is but one example why I am very much in favour of deleting posts. It looks like many old music threads right now have been refreshed with nonsense posts like the one above (I stopped looking after the first three attempts). It is of course quick and easy to ignore such a post but loading an old thread of some length takes a couple of seconds (up to half a minute on my weekend computer). I hate wasting some minutes of my time this way just to find out that nothing of any interest has refresehd a thread.

JCs finding and silently deleting such posts without comment refreshing the thread act in the best of my personal interest. I'll come back to the music section in a few hours for I am confident that they will have swept away the dirt silently.

Perhaps rather than just trying to ignore this - you could... (Shambles)

What a nonsense assuption to make, Shambles. I'm not trying to ignore this post. I have read it and like much more than 99 % of all posts I read I find it does not need any comment from me. If you think I'm ignoring all posts I'm not commenting you mare very much mistaken.

Perhaps you could offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria? (Shambles)

Yes.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:21 AM

How come I never seem to have had a post deleted...What am I doing wrong?

If you enjoy coping with this, Joe, you must be a masochist. If you don't, you're a saint.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:21 AM

Yes.

Well what are these suggestions?

And can you confirm that you are not entering dreams (if you don't enter mine I will not enter yours) and that you did also post to the recent thread, I referred to, that has vanished without trace or explanation?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:22 AM

Please stop Shambles from posting. Or edit out any complaint post by him. This has gone on way too long. The man can't admit that he has no say here. He has expressed his point of view. His suggestions have been denied by ownership. Please stop the same repitition from happening time after time.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bagpuss
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:28 AM

Shambles, Wolfgang agreed that he COULD "offer some suggestions as to how to prevent entire threads on our forum from continuing to be 'silently deleted' by persons and reasons unknown - when they do not meet the required criteria?". He made no indication of whether or not he WOULD do so... Some of us have self restraint and refrain from doing things merely because we CAN do them.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:45 AM

How come I never seem to have had a post deleted...

How would you know?

This is rather the point of this 'silent deletion'. And ind order to protect posters and 'moderators' alike - rather the point of requesting that all such cases are always recorded in editing comments and all editing comments limited to where such action has taken place. Is that really too much to ask?

But if you do not want to have your contributions deleted - it is fairly easy to be careful to do as you are now being instructed, turn a blind eye and just keep on saying only what our 'moderators' want to hear.

But are you only concerned about your own posts and not concerned at all about finding ways of preventing this from happening again to your fellow posters? Or are you suggesting that it is their own fault in some way?

Many of whom (including the following) have had their posts 'silently deleted' when they did not meet the required criteria - by some anonymous 'moderator' - using criteria of their own? [This list not including casualties in the more recent thread referred to that has vanished without trace or explanation]

Georgiansilver
number 6
Little Hawk
John 'Giok' MacKenzie
bobad
jacqui.c
Ebbie
MMario
Liz the Squeak -

John 'Giok' MacKenzie
The Villan
number 6
GUEST,Jon
skipy
Divis Sweeney
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"Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!"

It went on for five minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse.

Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing at the tatted wall with its white lettering.

"My sight is failing," she said finally. "Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin?"

For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:

ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
After that it did not seem strange when next day the pigs who were supervising the work of the farm all carried whips in their trotters.

From Animal Farm by George Orwell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:10 AM

Well what are these suggestions? (Shambles)

Well, I knew you wouldn't be contented with my response to your question, you never are. You only ask a new question.

Why should I make suggestions to change a state of affairs I generally approve of though not in each single case?
(1) I approve of deletion of threads that do not meet criteria (if I was in charge I would delete even more).
(2) I approve that this is done in most cases silently and without giving reasons.
(3) I don't mind not to know the identity of the person taking the action.

But what would I do if I would not approve of the present level of deletions? Well, I would mail Max and tell him and ask him either to rein the clones a bit better or to replace them with better clones. I'd even mail a second time if he'd answer he is contented with their actions If I really felt I had a good point. If then I did not get a response at all or a response that I was not contented with I'd shut up.

So the best suggestion to change the way this forum is run (assuming I would dislike the present state of affairs) is to ask the boss for a change, once or even twice, and then to shut up.

The other pettiness you bring up the second time is still below my threshold for responding.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:17 AM

But let me also ask you questions, Shambles. You must have seen the present attack on Mudcat with posts of the type I have quoted above.

(1) Do you approve of these posts being deleted?
(2) Would you like to see for each of these posts a comment by a clone why it was deleted?
(3) Should the comments refresh the threads?
(4) Do you mind that the person asctually deleting such a post remains unknown?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:23 AM

The other pettiness you bring up the second time is still below my threshold for responding.

Well I think it was at least the third time of asking.

But as I am sure that such a thread did exist and Wolfgang seems for some reason to be unwilling to confirm that he also had a post in it - which has also vanished without trace or explanation - perhaps some other poster (or even a 'moderator') would be kind enough to confirm to our forum that such a thread did exist?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:32 AM

(1) I approve of deletion of threads that do not meet criteria (if I was in charge I would delete even more).

So no more - please. The implications of such an attitude when logically extended to other criteria (like the laws of the land) are mind-boggling.

For what is the point of claiming there is to be criteria or law - if it is to be ignored?

The world has been this way before - with disastrous results - or have you forgotten, already?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 10:42 AM

And if I didn't know, why should I care. That is a rhetorical, question. Please please, Shambles, don't take it as yet another peg to hang a response on.

He's a good songwriter. He's a good singer. He's a good bloke, in fact. But...

Remember with the old-style records when you had one with a slight crack or a scratch, and how the needle would get stuck in a groove and it repeated and repeated... In the days of wind-ups the record just went slower and sower and stopped after a time. But with the electric ones it just went on until someone switched them or the record wore through. Evidently Shambles isn't a wind-up.