BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 05:09 PM

Dear Shambles,

I have appreciated much about your tenacity and many of your arguments. However, you continue to attack Joe and that is

1) not right
2) bullshit

I have had more run-ins with Joe than most people who've ever come to this forum. On some occasions I have found him to be right and on others to be wrong. However, I am not about to say I think Joe is a bad man, bad editor, bad person. You seem to have a single-minded focus on Joe and how bad he is. That is just not right. Joe has said many times that he has erred/made a mistake/screwed up. Hey, guess what? That is human and gutsy. In fact, if I had a place such as this, I would want someone very much like Joe Offer to run it--as he saw fit--because despite what I perceive to be the occasional mistake on his part, he is even-handed and honest.

I agree with Joe--and it seems a few other folks here--that BS should be a members onl;y part of Mudcat. To suggest that that approach would limit anyone's 'free speech' is much like suggesting that a diatribe to 'letters to the editor' limits free speech because it has to be signed.

This is not 'our' site. True, much of the Mudcat is the result of either primary or secondary research by many people. Other aspects are the results of original writing. In that regard, the Mudcat is 'ours'. But, the place 'we' have chosen to do the above belongs to a guy named Max. I would suggest that if you have a beef with Joe Offer, message or e-mail him. This thread has become like a soap opera. Tune in any day and it's the same. From everyone. Now, I am off this thread for good. Scout's Honour.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 05:10 PM

Wow. You are right. I really do apologize. That was uncalled for on my part.   That is why I should get out of here. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 05:28 PM

I have had more run-ins with Joe than most people who've ever come to this forum. On some occasions I have found him to be right and on others to be wrong. However, I am not about to say I think Joe is a bad man, bad editor, bad person. You seem to have a single-minded focus on Joe and how bad he is. That is just not right. Joe has said many times that he has erred/made a mistake/screwed up. Hey, guess what? That is human and gutsy. In fact, if I had a place such as this, I would want someone very much like Joe Offer to run it--as he saw fit--because despite what I perceive to be the occasional mistake on his part, he is even-handed and honest.

That is your view gained from your experiance and you appear to be welcome to post such a view in any thread you wish and as many times as you want to. I cannot do this - for I have a different view. This is formed from a different experience and different circumstance to yours. For example I have never posted on our forum under any other name than this one.

However, I do take issue with your accusation that I 'attack' anyone.

Most of what I post is in fact the exact words of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. For example when he makes a (for the record) statement like the following:

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Do you agree with this assessment and the proposed solution?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 02:06 AM

Wow. You are right. I really do apologize. That was uncalled for on my part.   That is why I should get out of here. Sorry.

Thank you. But perhaps it is a bit too late for that? For you finally managed to follow the example set by our 'moderators', and you have finally said what Mick wanted you to and now become part of the problem. So that is alright then.

Your word 'moron' is now in safe hands and just another name to add to the list. Other than causing great delight to Mick - it will add nothing to the discussion and make no more difference than all the other posted names and personal judgements have done.

Ron, many of us have tried over and over to be part of the solution over the years. That is why we are now very intolerant. This "moron" has shown us over and over that he is a troll of the first order. I am sorry you are learning the hard way. You are a good man, trying to do good things.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 08:25 AM

Shambles, you really are a *&%#@*!!! It's one thing to constantly pour out this stupid BS that you do so many times each day. It's totally another thing to attack Ron who is probably the most decent person on this website and one of the few who even attempts to defend you. To jump on someone who has apologized for choosing the wrong word to express his feelings is definately the most despicable post that you have ever written. If you have any feelings you would be ashamed of yourself but something tells me that is not applicable to you.

Ron, don't take Shambles comments to heart. You are a 100% better person then he is. You can at least admit when you are wrong (which you really weren't in this case). Shambles won't even admit to himself that he is loony.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 02:29 AM

It has been unanimous amongst us all (and for some time now) that we all feel it should at least be members only posting in the BS. Lets hope we don't have to keep posting these posts in this thread the same time next year.

All I see caused by this (for the record) statement is division.
Do you mean by 'us all' - the usual few who have posted their support for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's (for the record) solution? Even some of them don't agree with the basic assessment that find's our forum so wanting and requiring this change.

But just how many is that - so far?

But do you agree that? Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion.

If you don't - why is there any need for such a radical change to address anything?

And if you do agree - why cannot you go elswhere and find or start something that is to your requirements?

Why do you think that Max should change his long-running posting policy to suit you? Especially as he has not implemented such a change since this (for the record) statement was first made?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:41 AM

It has been unanimous amongst us all (and for some time now) that we all feel it should at least be members only posting in the BS. Lets hope we don't have to keep posting these posts in this thread the same time next year.

If you don't like it - you don't have to keep posting to this thread or indeed to this forum at all - do you?

Perhaps the fact that 'you' have been encouraged (by some of our 'moderators') to post your requirements (and for some time now) and that Max has not changed our forum in that period, in order to suit your requirements - should be telling you something?

Perhaps it is that those posters who are unanimous - have no need for a forum - for they have nothing to discuss?

And that if they want a like-minded private club where they can exclude who they wish - nothing is stopping them from going away and forming such a place.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Professor Lucullus Chinchover
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 11:52 AM

"Perhaps"..."perhaps"...

Oh, dear, oh dear! Did you not pay attention to my earlier post on the dangers of the overuse of the word "perhaps", Shambles? Do go and read it again! There may still be time to undo the damage you have doubtless done already to your health and sanity through this pernicious verbal habit.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 12:17 PM

Perhaps?


And perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain to our forum what happened to the BS thread in question here Winona Ryder's birthday thread(s) ?

The entire BS thread and all of its posts - has sinply vanished - without trace or explanation.......

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 12:28 PM

it's already been said that an hour or so of posting immediatley prior to the upgrade appears to have been lost. thread was probably within that timeframe.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 12:33 PM

Omygod !!! The Winona Ryder's birthday thread(s) ? Gone - FOREVER ?? Alert the media.

I for one am heartbroken.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 12:54 PM

As well you should be! Threads on Winona Ryder outweigh the importance of any other 100 threads put together. Everyone knows that.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 01:02 PM

it's already been said that an hour or so of posting immediatley prior to the upgrade appears to have been lost. thread was probably within that timeframe.

MMario - My first attempt to post that thread to enquire about the fate of the original one, was NOT lost in any update - was it?

Despite my request for all cases of censorship action to be indicated and explained in a editing comment - and for all editing comments to be limited to where some form of action has actually taken place - this has not been adopted by our 'moderators'.

So - any poster who cannot find their contribution still has no way of knowing if this is because it has been censored, lost in some software glitch or is as a result of us being in the 'Twilight Zone - have they?

If my suggestion were adopted - when posters did not see an editing comment - they could be sure that censorship was not the cause of their contribution's non-appearance or get paranoid about this possibility. They could then start looking for other explanations.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 01:08 PM

Sahmbles - I honestly suspect that you "first" thread never existed. I know I never saw it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 01:54 PM

Sahmbles - I honestly suspect that you "first" thread never existed. I know I never saw it.

Well I am rather careful these days. I always check to see if what I have posted appears. Then when it later vanishes (without any editing comment of explanation) I then know that any mistake was not mine.

Talking of editing comments - the following was inserted (not once but twice) in the thread in question.

Multiple threads combined, and the first thread was undeleted because I could see no reason for deletion.
-Joe Offer-

Which strongly suggests that the (now restored original thread) was not lost in any upgrade - but was entirely deleted by persons unknown for reasons unknown and for reasons certainly not indicated or explained in any form of editing comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 01:56 PM

so I was wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 02:05 PM

Well this is tragic! I mean Winona Ryder is such a huge music star and all.............Shamby Pamby, your b-day threads are just another of your bullshit vendettas but they all have been pretty much related to music somehow and short of LH lovin' Winona...........Anyway, keep in mind that as updates begin to happen, the day will come when many of your posts will go missing......along with you! (:<))

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 02:14 PM

I posted the following in the Winona Ryder thread(s). The thread did not meet our criteria for deletion.

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Multiple threads combined, and the first thread was undeleted because I could see no reason for deletion.
-Joe Offer-

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OK, so I'm sure that somebody will want to know what are our criteria for deletion. Here's what was posted in the Help Forum:

Subject: RE: thread name clarification
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18-Oct-06 - 02:01 PM

If a thread looks like it's going to cause all hell to break loose, we close or delete it. If it's just moderately nasty, we usually leave it alone.
Same with messages - we leave the moderately nasty ones alone, much to the chagrin of some.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: thread name clarification
From:
Date: 18-Oct-06 - 07:05 PM

The term, cause all hell to break loose means what exactly?

And how is 'moderatly nasty' defined and by whom?



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Subject: RE: thread name clarification
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19-Oct-06 - 01:48 PM

Well, OK, here's my answer. Max, Jeff, and I decide what's "moderately nasty" and what's worse than that. Max, Jeff, and I decide when it looks like all hell is going to break loose. We base our decisions on our personal judgment. The Clones also use their personal judgment - and their judgment is reviewed by Max, Jeff, and Joe.
Now, I realize that many people live their lives in a very legalistic context, and think that every action should be guided exactly by rules, but that's not how we do things around here. We live by judgment, not by rules.
So, no, I'm not going to get boxed into defining "moderately nasty" and "all hell breaking loose." I don't talk, think, or act in that sort of legalistic philosophical system. When I see a mess, I don't need to go through the legalistic process of defining it as a mess, before I clean it up.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 03:15 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Winona Ryder's birthday thead(s)
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 02:11 PM

Obviously some anonymous one here just does not like Winona?

Is it really too much for posters to always be informed in an editing comment and for them to know when any form of imposed censorship has been judged to be necessary?

That would prevent us from blaming the software, questioning our memory and from my poor old dog from being kicked in frustration.

If you won't introduce this simple procedure for our sakes - then perhaps for the sake of our poor bruised pets.

************************************************************************************************


It is well known there is a direct correlation between abuse of animals and Domestic Violence.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 03:57 PM

There is a direct correlation between complete stupidity and Domestic Violence too...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:04 PM

Not to mention beer and domestic violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:09 PM

I think that's only domestic beer which leads to domestic violence.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:09 PM

So imported beer leads to imported violence?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:11 PM

Not to mention beer & IMPORTED violence.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:12 PM

Close threads and deleted posts initiate web forum violence.

"And THAT'S the way it is,"

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:12 PM

Gee, I dunno' Jeff.........Nobody in my family has any bruises including my dogs.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:17 PM

Yes, but the quality of beer in the United States has improved greatly in recent years. Northern California's Sierra Nevada Pale is truly the Nectar of the Gods.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:18 PM

The rubber hose works pretty well, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:19 PM

No argument there, Joe. A very nice brew indeed. You should try Otter Creek sometime if you can get it out there. It's brewed in Vermont, but the brewmaster used to live here in Maryland.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:29 PM

if the beer is the nectar of the gods, does it then incite religious violence?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:37 PM

Good question Mario. Does God have bruised dogs? Or Billy Graham? Or the Pope?   Did Bishop Sheen? Or Oral Roberts?

Have to check on each for beer brand and bruised dogs.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:40 PM

Is the rubber hose what they used on me in my colonoscopy yesterday?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 04:44 PM

Well, you don't wanna' be drinkin' beer out of it...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 05:16 PM

No...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 06:02 PM

OK, so I'm sure that somebody will want to know what are our criteria for deletion. Here's what was posted in the Help Forum:

Perhaps it is those anonymous ones who are supposed to be imposing this criteria who should first be informed what it is?


The following editing comment was inserted into the thread that was originally about Winona Ryder's birthday and which we are now informed was should not have been deleted.

Multiple threads combined, and the first thread was undeleted because I could see no reason for deletion.

Please remember that this is a thread about Winona Ryder, not about Mudcat Editing Policy.
That's it. The End. Finis. Schluss.
No further discussion of anything but Winona Ryder will be permitted in this thread.
-Joe Offer-

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Perhaps posters can be similarly warned to - please remember that this IS a thread about closed threads and deleted posts i.e. Mudcat Editing Policy.

But due to our now resident double standard, personal judgements, spam and the discussion of anything other than this thread's subject is seen to be activly encouraged here by our 'moderators'.

Subjects so far include jokes, recipes and we now seem to be encouraged to dicuss beer drinking....I would start a thread with beer drinking as its clearly titled subject to enable that discussion - but I suspect it would be deleted or closed.

The last edit comment inserted in this thread was the following:

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

In the light of the entire thread that was recently 'silently deleted' but was then not judged to meet the required criteria - perhaps this editing comment needs correcting? As in all truth it appears to take very little to warrant deletion. All it takes is some anonymous fellow poster with an itchy finger on their edit button.

As this is by no means the first time this has happened – perhaps our forum can now be assured that steps will be taken to ensure that it is the last time?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 06:55 PM

Deja Vu - Remember this one?

- The title of a clearly titled music thread Do you support the Status Quo?
   has been changed without the originator's permission for some reason to In favour of/ Do you support the Status Quo - and has now been relegated to the BS section by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. He has also seen fit to combine the deleted BS thread with this Music thread.

The following editing comment was inserted into an existing post which did not refresh the thread.

Threads combined. Messages above had been deleted, but I could see no justification for the deletions. Messages below are from a new thread.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: In favour of /Do you support the Status Qu
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 20 Sep 06 - 06:02 AM

The first thread was stupid, but I don't think that constitutes a reason for deleting it. I undeleted the messages from the previous deleted thread and combined them with this one.
But I think the "discussion" fits best into the "BS" category, where the original thread was located. I'll admit that's an arbitrary decision, but I had to pick one or the other.
-Joe Offer-
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Big Stick's messages were deleted. They were just weird.
-Joe Offer-

These things were only judged as stupid or weird - lucky they were not judged as obnoxious by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team...........

Can our forum be informed if anything sensible is being done to prevent entire threads from again being anonymously deleted for no reason?

Surely if all of our 'moderators' were required to always provide an editing comment when they judge and imposed this judgement in any form of editing action - this may avoid this happening again? Avoid the need for posters to hunt around trying to establish the fate of their contributions and avoid the need for threads to be restored?

The whole thing makes our forum look like a poor joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 07:43 PM

"Deja Vu - Remember this one? "

yup .... sure do.

We have all been here before
We have
all been here before
We have all been here before
We
have all been here before

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 08:57 PM

...and if you expect gratitude from Shambles for trying to be fair, forget about it...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 09:07 PM

Deja Poo-- I think I've smelled this before, and it still smells bad.

Deja Roo-- This kangaroo has jumped past me before.

Deja Shoe-- This argument is still bootless.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 11:15 PM

"The whole thing makes our forum look like a poor joke."

Shambles, Your constant repition of this stupidity and harping over every little thing that you don't like even though everyone else disagrees with you makes Max's forum look like a poor joke.

And you still haven't apologized to Ron for jumping on him after he apologized to you. That's certainly not the way to make friends and influence people.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 11:30 PM

Joe, how can you expect gratitude from someone who abuses small animals......and possibly worse?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 02:12 AM

Any 'moderator' who really expects gratitude - is perhaps not being very realistic.

For if you don't show posters any public respect - should you really be expecting to be shown any?

Does a system that is shown to constantly and unfairly (by its own criteria) judge and delete poster's invited contributons really deserve to expect its victims to be grateful some such treatment?

What is expected is that what is wrong is corrected so that it does not keep on being done wrong. And that posting to demonstate these instances results in this - rather than being accused of not being grateful and being subjected to personal judgements and special posting restrictions. I am I expected to show gratitude to the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team for these also?

I am very grateful to Max for providing our forum. When the efforts of our 'modrators' are seen to be setting an example that is fair, open and proportionate - which can start by lifting the special restritions on my posting - I will be the very first to express my gratitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 07:10 AM

Nobody loves him, everybody hates him.
Think he should go and eat worms!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 07:51 AM

Shamby Pamby......Please note that NONE of your current postings have been "invited" by Max. His own last postings regarding yourself have been invitations to LEAVE.......not post. You cannot deny his words and there is NO SPIN you can put on them that has any other meaning except "You too, should bid farewell." Down the road, the choice will be out of your hands. Why continue being such a stupid shit now. Quit slamming Max (and that is indeed who you are slamming) and "perhaps"............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 08:31 AM

"What is expected is that what is wrong is corrected so that it does not keep on being done wrong."

Hey Shambles, These are your own words. Your constant complaining and saying the same thing time afer time is wrong and should definitely be corrected. I guess that means that you should be banned from posting this persistent drivel so the moderators do not allow something to continue being done wrong.

It's time for you to stop...or GO!

By the way, did you notice all of the posts's to Ron's questions a few days ago. Not one single member agreed with you on anything. Everyone said it wouldn't matter if the below the line stupidity was limited to members only. You are irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 10:48 AM

support for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's (for the record) solution

A beauty from the long standing chief proponent of the present Mudcat Editing Team's dissolution.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 12:32 PM

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

Could any state expect to be shown gratitude for judging and executing (on many occasions) the wrong person?

It may be expected that some responsibility is seen to be taken for these errors.

They may be expected to demonstrate what measures are being taken to ensure that the same errors are not repeated.

On our forum, posters are expected to be grateful to the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team, when the same assurances (like the one above) given in editing comments by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team are seen once again not to be honoured. For it is clear that it takes very little to warrant 'silent deletion' of the wrong contributions - as I have maintained and demonstrated previously.

There is no gratitude to be had - for trying to be 'fair' when the damage has been seen to be done - only blame and responsibilty to be taken for allowing the the damage to once again be done, with this policy of unfair and anonymous 'silent deletion'.

Why cannot every 'moderator' or edit button holder be required to indicate via an editing comment where they judged any form of editing action was necessary and all editing comments be limited to where some form of action has taken place?

I am sure this would ensure that any poster would then know that any non-appearance of their contribution was not due to 'silent deletion'. If they did not see an editing comment to that effect - they would not become paranoid about censorship and could then look for other explanations.

This may also have the effect of limiting these actions and bringing them under the control that is cleary not evident currently.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 01:30 PM

Shambles,

Why do YOU think that no one else is complaining about all of this silly horse poop? When will it sink into you brain that absolutely no one else cares about any of this? Everyone else is pretty much satisfied with the job that the moderators are doing as a whole. Yes there may be a few instances that appear to be unfair but nothing in life works right 100% of the time. In other words, everything that YOU are asking for is a nonissue to almost everyone else. Things don't get changed to please only 1 person when 99.9% of the people ar happy. Why don't you go to another website that will give you greater pleasure if you can find one? Perhaps you'll find that they will toss your butt off of their site if you act as unpolite there as you do here. STOP TELLING EVERYONE WHAT TO DO! IF YOU WON'T FOLLOW MAX'S RULES THEN GO PLAY WITH YOUR OWN FOOTBALL!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 02:08 PM

When will it sink into you brain that absolutely no one else cares about any of this?

It is pretty obvious from posts like the following to this thread -that they do care.

From: autolycus - PM
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 05:23 PM

Joe:-

I'm trying to be helpful at this point.

Can you tell me if anything I've posted has been edited out?

As far as I can tell, nothing has.

If I'm right about that, there may be something for posters to learn.

Again IF I'm right, all that's required is to post sensibly (?!),interestingly (?!), vaguely to the point, without pointless abuse, or libel.

If that is all that it takes to steer clear of being edited out, then this ginormous , for want of a better word, discussion just might evaporate.

Then they are given totally worthless assurances which they and our forum are expected to accept - like the following.

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

For it is clear from these two instances alone - that in all truth the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team who is giving this assurance - would not even know if some anonymous fellow poster had 'silently deleted' this or any other poster's contributions.

That is rather the point with these 'silent deletions' - no one except the anonymous one who is imposing their judgement (based on criteria of their own) - is aware.

Except possibly the victim - who first has to estabish if it is a software glitch, their dexterity or their memory that is at fault. Or in cases like these two, where all the posts in an entire thread are 'silently deleted' - the victims.

Which is why it has been requested - and not just by me - that all these impositions are recorded in edit comments....

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 02:17 PM

1500