BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:34 PM

And to lighten the mood:

Fellow walks by a restaurant where the sign says

Lobster tail and pizza for $9.99

He says to his friend, "Wonderful. Three of my favorite things for under ten dollars."

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:50 PM

THE GRAY GOOSE

Well, las' Monday mornin',
Lawd, Lawd, Lawd,
Well, las' Monday mornin',
Lawd, Lawd, Lawd.

My daddy went a-huntin'.

Well, he carried along his zulu.

Well, along come a grey goose.

Well, he throwed it to his shoulder,

An' he ram his hammer' way back.

Well, he pulled on de trigger.

Well, down he come a-windin'.

He was six weeks a-fallin'.

He was six weeks a-findin'.

An' he put him on de wagon,

An'he taken him to de white house.

He was six weeks a-pickin'.

Lordy, your wife an'my wife,

Oh, dey give a feather pickin'.

An' dey put him on to parboil.

He was six months a-parboil',

An' dey put him on de table,

Now, de fork couldn' stick him,

An' de knife couldn't cut him.

An' dey throwed him in de hog-pen,

An' he broke de ol'sow's jaw-bone.

An' dey taken him to de saw-mill,

An' he broke de saw's teeth out.

An' de las' time I seed him,

Well, he's flyin' across de ocean,

Wid a long string o' goslin's,

An' dey all goin': Quank Quink-Quank

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/leadbelly-the-grey-goose-lyrics.html

Also in the DigiTrad

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 06:54 PM

Ol' Shambles may never come back to this thread. We can all just carry on without him. Shambles, come home. We, well, I MISS YOU!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:26 PM

We can all just carry on without him

No. We need shambles for the entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:28 PM

Oh.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 09:45 PM

So many people with so little to do on a lovely Sunday.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:09 AM

"And why then publicly inform our forum that these best efforts have failed and that the only way to impose the 'peace' you require - is to exclude the free and open access for the public contributions that has made our form what it is?"

a. I don't think they ever actually said that. Your cut and pastes have never shown that was what they said.

That is your opinion to which, unlike me, you are entitled to express in any thread on our forum. Others can judge from the actual words and perhaps explain why posters support what they assume to be the status quo - when it is obviously nothing of the sort.

For the record, I have already asked Max to make Members-Only posting in the "BS" section, and I think membership should be granted only to those with verifiable e-mail addresses (you register, and then get a password sent back to you). So far, Max hasn't said anything about being ready to make the change
Joe Offer

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For a long time, I opposed members-only posting, because I didn't want to scare away visitors or make Mudcat a closed, exclusive club. And yes, we have a lot of that exclusivity already - I feel like an outsider myself when I go into the "BS" section. But our nastiness has been too much, and it has gone on far too long, to the point where it's impossible to carry on an intelligent discussion on most non-music subjects nowadays. I have three Mudcatters on 100% review much of the time, and I have to do partial review on a number of others, and then I have to deal with all sorts of petty complaints about so-and-so saying this or that - and I deny about half the deletion requests I get, and undelete a fair number of messages deleted by JoeClones.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:26 AM

Tech Problem with thread titles after being refreshed and then relgated to the BS section has now been closed.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 05:14 AM

Subject: RE: Tech: Longer thread titles please?
From: GUEST,Jon - PM
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:01 AM

In wanting to prevent the mods from assisting (as they currently do) by using the extra characters (which he agrees are useful) until he can use them too. He only wants that to happen to score a little point over them...

The word assistance can be used for example: if a policeman established where a shopper wished to go then helped them cross a road to enable them to get to their destination.

It would not be a suitable word if the policeman did not speak to them and just decided push them across the road because they judged that the shopper would look better on that side.

There are other words for this.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:08 AM

Morning shambles. Perhaps the "incident" with the policeman took place after a football match and the person crossing was the referree who had tried to change the game into the game of rugby and the policeman had been playing for the other side and was unhappy at being sent off?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:25 AM

Oh and shambles, I've been trying to express some of your logic in simple computer terms. Here are a couple.

if X <> 2
   print "X could be any number"

if ThreadIsMoved = true
    print "The mods are wrong"
else
    print "The mods are wrong"

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:26 AM

Whatever side of the road the majority of the people are on, there is one person you can be absolutely certain, who will be on the other side.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:17 AM

Thanks Shambles, you proved my point "A" - they never admitted to failure.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:01 AM

Look at the posters on this thread. The same predictable ten or so. Are they so deluded they think they are the majority? Yep they sure are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:06 AM

"Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual suspects."

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:21 AM

I am a "usual suspect" as well since I keep posting too. I am way too predictable and deluded just like the rest of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:26 AM

Help is available, don't despair.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM

Thanks Shambles, you proved my point "A" - they never admitted to failure.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

I know that there are no bullet points being used here but even you should be able to understand.

Are you asking our forum to accept that the words And despite our best efforts, AND what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one. - are actually words claiming success of these measures?

Perhaps in an attempt to be more positive - you could make a stab at answering the question posed by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:14 AM

Forgive me if I am wrong Shambles, but I am not reading any admission to failure in that statement from Joe, nor have I seen any from Max - who is the ultimate voice. What you have posted is Joe's description of what has happened as Mudcat has evolved and a comment that their "best efforts" have not made improvement to bring peace. That is far from an "admission of failure".

Change is constant and necessary.   Some of us accept change and welcome it. Others rebel at the mere thought. There will always be someone who gripes over what they have no possibility of changing.

My suggestion on how we can bring peace to this place - more frequent deletions of posts like mine and others on this thread. Drop the BS and keep it a site based on folk music.   Mudcat has become an excuse for people to state their opinions on ANYTHING. This is not the corner bar. When the site operated more as a music site, there was more joy to be found.   Rambling discourses on how the site should be run should be trashed.   I would have no problem seeing this thread closed, or my own statements deleted.   The owners of this site have the perogative to do that.   The fact that they have not shows how open they actually are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:38 AM

My suggestion on how we can bring peace to this place - more frequent deletions of posts like mine and others on this thread. Drop the BS and keep it a site based on folk music.   Mudcat has become an excuse for people to state their opinions on ANYTHING. This is not the corner bar. When the site operated more as a music site, there was more joy to be found.   Rambling discourses on how the site should be run should be trashed.   I would have no problem seeing this thread closed, or my own statements deleted.   The owners of this site have the perogative to do that.   The fact that they have not shows how open they actually are.

The owners of this site had a number of choices available to them - as our forum became more popular. But its main aim was to become more popular and encourage the public's contributions. They could have chosen a strict - keep on topic - take it or leave approach but that was not the choice made. The choice made was a brave one and it was not to (try to) limit discussion to music.

If you don't like a site with rambling discourses on how the site should be run - then find another or take this up with Max. That is way our forum has always been encouraged to work - at least by Max.

The problem is that rather than being encouraged to tolerate different views poster are now encouraged to publicly pass their personal judgements upon the worth of fellow posters and feel that all but the like-minded can now be bullied away.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:40 AM

Ron, I am the guest with whom you had the run-in. I agree with you 100%. You are a good man, Charlie Brown. Pax.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:50 AM

"If you don't like a site with rambling discourses on how the site should be run - then find another or take this up with Max. That is way our forum has always been encouraged to work - at least by Max."

Shambles, you left out a third option.   Enjoy it the way it is. Everything is not simply a yes or no, black or white, Ayn Rand run world.

My worth is questioned, your worth is questioned, everyones worth is questioned. Life goes on. If you feel that you are being bullied, well I am sorry for you. We make our own beds.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:54 AM

"If you don't like a site with rambling discourses on how the site should be run - then find another or take this up with Max. That is way our forum has always been encouraged to work - at least by Max."

Ron - the above was specific advice to you. For it was you who said:

My suggestion on how we can bring peace to this place - more frequent deletions of posts like mine and others on this thread. Drop the BS and keep it a site based on folk music.   Mudcat has become an excuse for people to state their opinions on ANYTHING. This is not the corner bar. When the site operated more as a music site, there was more joy to be found.   Rambling discourses on how the site should be run should be trashed.   I would have no problem seeing this thread closed, or my own statements deleted.   The owners of this site have the perogative to do that.   The fact that they have not shows how open they actually are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:59 AM

Yes, I know your "advice" was directed at me. As I pointed out, you only offered two suggestions. There are other alternatives, which was the point I was trying to make.

You don't get it - you keep looking at situations with only two options.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:14 PM

You don't get it - you keep looking at situations with only two options.

Perhaps because you show no signs of following your own third option?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:17 PM

I do follow my logic. I do accept Mudcat for what is is. I do post messages here because I had thought there was some dialogue and discussion. I am not attacking you and I am sorry if you perceive it. I am responding to your points.

Clearly I do understand that this issue will not disappear.   I am really not adding anything to this discussion.   You will see, think and act the way you choose.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 12:53 PM

Sorry Ron - I see very little logic in what you say.

Change is constant and necessary.   Some of us accept change and welcome it. Others rebel at the mere thought. There will always be someone who gripes over what they have no possibility of changing.

Shambles, you left out a third option.   Enjoy it the way it is. Everything is not simply a yes or no, black or white, Ayn Rand run world.

What is it to be? Change or the status quo or are you supporting both?

Ron - I like the way things are. I do not complain about there being any lack of peace. Nor do I wish or suggest a change to a music only forum (as you do). When the public are invited to our forum by Max to discuss anything - there is bound to be some excitement. That in inherrent in the whole concept. All that is required is being seen to be able agree to disagree. that is as good as it gets - and our forum still currently has this. Just........

My problem is with those who take on the role of 'moderators' in the full knowledge that this is their remit but do not really in their hearts endorse it. Who constantly complain publicly about everything and encourage personal judgements to be posted about other named posters. And who then publicly post that:

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer-

Our forum remains a very pleasant place to hang-out and it is pretty obviously still a place to goof off or have a good discussion. It would be even better if those very few posters who publicly post to a differently effect - were to form the members only site that they already treat our forum as and leave the rest of us in peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:15 PM

You know what, I think I sincerely owe you an apology Shambles.   

While reading your last post a light bulb went off. If I am interpreting your last explanation the way I think you intended, it makes more sense than all the other posts you've made over the years. Maybe all we had was a failure to communicate.

I agree with you - this forum is a good place to goof off or have a good discussion. All that is required is to agree to disagree.

My failure to understand your posts is clear in my bringing up the "staus quo". Change is constant. My interpretation of staus quo is that is a current reflection of evolution and tinkering to find the right formula that will make the most happy.   You can't remain steadfast to old rules when change has occured.

If I understood your last post, I think you are in agreement with that. While I still do not agree with your perception that you are being singled out and "censored", I do think I understand the point you have been trying to make a little clearer.   

In order to achieve a pleasant experience for everyone, I think that moderators should make every effort to be fair and interpret the rules in everyones best interest. Perhaps it is the language barrier from both sides of the pond, but I don't think anyone really singled you out - you just came across in a combative stance and it built up to this. If I am reading your last post correctly, that was not your intention.   I am sure the moderators did not wish to cause conflict either, it just grew.

So, in all honesty, if my "new" interpretations of your posts are the points you were trying to make, I apologize for adding fuel to the fire.   Then again, I've always enoyed fanning the flames of discontent!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:42 PM

If I understood your last post, I think you are in agreement with that. While I still do not agree with your perception that you are being singled out and "censored", I do think I understand the point you have been trying to make a little clearer.

It really matters little that I am treated unfairly - it matters if any poster is singled-out or seen to be treated unfairly and posters are encouraged to take part in witch-hunts. Especially as it is supposed to being undertaken in the name of 'fairness'.

You will get a better idea from the discussions and attitudes shown in what I refer to as 'Snitchers Corner' or the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum. Which is aptly named as it is the source of much trouble. Posters are encouraged there to post anonymous complaints about and requests for editing action to be imposed on their fellow posters.

http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3310&messages=25

The anonymous complaint was that this thread was spam. The current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team coments that is was just another boring 'Shambles' thread.

But later proudly states that there will be spam there now - as he has just placed it there.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 01:49 PM

it really matters little that I am treated unfairly - it matters if any poster is singled-out or seen to be treated unfairly and posters are encouraged to take part in witch-hunts.

The only witch hunt is the one you lead shambles.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:04 PM

"The only witch hunt is the one you lead shambles."

No, I'm beginning to see Shambles points. I do think he has onnly hmiself to blame in most cases, but he does have some basis in reality.

Check out the last link he gave. You will see Joe make some comments about Shambles.   Were the comments necessary in public?   No.   Does Shambles deserve it - the jury is out on that one.

Shambles, you joked back at me when I mentioned "bullet points". I was dead serious. You have done your own case more harm then good by the approach you have taken.   I am not dumb, but your comments have become exceedingly hard to comprehend. Maybe it is me, but judging by the reaction you get I'm not so sure.   I think your message has been clouded by your delivery.

Frankly, as I've said previously, the owners of the website can do what they wish with this site. But when you see all the wonderful people who have stopped posting here, it does get you thinking. Some of the U.S. folkies who were the reason I joined Mudcat have stopped posting here. Maybe there is a reason why the music section is 99% British these days. Perhaps those of us in the U.S. have lower thresholds for putting up with B.S. and rudeness.   

If you don't like the service at Macy's, you can always take your business elsewhere.

The inmates are only partially responsible for the riot.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:19 PM

No, I'm beginning to see Shambles points. I do think he has onnly hmiself to blame in most cases, but he does have some basis in reality.

shambles makes a list of points, some of which even contradict other points he makes. I too can find some things I can agree with out of the total. One can even get to the point of rationality with shampbles and watch things turn round via having ones words twisted, etc. to the point we are back to everything being the mods fault. Shambles has only one goal and you are mistaken if you believe that goal is peace and harmony (with the mods doing thier job).

Check out the last link he gave. You will see Joe make some comments about Shambles.   Were the comments necessary in public?   No.   Does Shambles deserve it - the jury is out on that one.

As for does shambles deserve what he gets, my answer is, Yes .

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:34 PM

Jon - 24 hours ago I would have agreed with you 100%. I still think Shambles is his own worst enemy.

However, something about his post suddenly made sense. I started looking at some of the posts in the help section that he pointed to.

Yes, the mods are doing their job - and I think they are doing a good one. That does not mean they are perfect - Mudcat will always be a work in progress. I think the frustration that we all felt has boiled over and can be seen in some of the postings that they have made.   

I do feel that ANY forum such as this needs to take their members into consideration and deal with them accordingly. For most of us, they do. There is a difference between laying down the law and becoming abusive - even borderline abusive.

If I were in their shoes I would have probably said a lot worse. Shambles is the extra starch in the shorts, the grain of sand in the shoe, the gnat that won't leave the picnic. I do not have the patience that the moderaters have shown. Still, there is evidence in those threads that there is indeed a witch-hunt for Shambles.   

Maybe it is time that the moderators reflect on how they dealt and will deal with Shambles. Get rid of Shambles or treat him without prejudice based on his past actions. The alternative is to go on "as is" and all the sniping, grumbling and whining will continue to where it hurts Mudcat even further.

I would also say the same goes for Martin Gibson - they got rid of him or her and things seemed "comfortable" for awhile. Now, Shambles is the new Martin Gibson.   Perhaps it is time to deal with the situation honestly and openly?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:39 PM

Well Ron, I think you will find "honest and open" has been tried before.

I disagree with you but good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:42 PM

Sorry, Ron, I am 100% with you on.

Get rid of Shambles or treat him without prejudice based on his past actions. The alternative is to go on "as is" and all the sniping, grumbling and whining will continue to where it hurts Mudcat even further.

I've felt that decision should have been made one way or other for a long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:47 PM

And I hope the decision would be to treat him without prejudice. Forget the editorial comments - answer his questions directly. The answers might not be what he is looking for, but if the responder is direct and to the point and leaves out the personal comments, the action is much more effective.   Bullet point answers as well - "no, we will not be moving this thread because of X Y & Z". Done. Then when it is questioned again, the answer is there.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: MMario
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:49 PM

and what do you do when four years after the answers he still hasn't accepted them?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:56 PM

If the answer to the question has been repeated, perhaps it is time for someone like Max to make a decision. Is he happy with the response to the question?   A note to the individual stating that the policy will not change. If it keeps up, a warning is issued. If it continues, the person is blocked.

Mudcat has the right to make changes.   That is not even a point of discussion.   The problem is that Mudcat has danced around the problem and not been effective. They stooped to a level of name calling that should not be part of the vocabulary of a moderator. If they believe in what they are doing, they need to have the balls to make decisions, issue ultimatums, and stand by them. That has not been fair to Shambles, or to the rest of us who have witnessed this in numerous threads.

I remember something that Harry Chapin always said - "when in doubt, do something".   It is time to do something or to continue to let the fish flounder until it starts to really stink.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 02:59 PM

They stooped to a level of name calling that should not be part of the vocabulary of a moderator. If they believe in what they are doing, they need to have the balls to make decisions, issue ultimatums, and stand by them.

They don't have the power to issuse the "or you are gone" ultimatum, Ron.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 03:01 PM

"They don't have the power to issuse the "or you are gone" ultimatum"

No, but somebody does.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 03:04 PM

I know...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:31 PM

A neighbour throws a party and invites a,b,c,d and e.

a,b,c,and e have had a long standing gripe going with d.

They spend all evening bitching at him and about him.

The neighbour has chosen for d to be invited to the party and has no intention of asking him to leave to suit a,b,c and e.

Everyone else at this party has to listen and watch a,b,c and e whinge all night. None of them have a problem with d either.

Who is ruining the party?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:36 PM

Of what relavence is that, GUEST?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:37 PM

You call that a "party"?

The question should be not who is ruining the party, the questino should be what the host is going to do to make the next party more successful. If the hosts parties keep turning into a bickering match, the reputation has been cast and it will be tough getting f, g, h, and i to attend.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:46 PM

But the hosts parties are very well attended... by hundreds or more. Comprising of many nationalities, religious persuasions and politicial leanings.

Only a.b,c and e bicker.

f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y and z are quite happy with the party and don't feel the need to bicker with another invited guest.

Who should not turn up at the next party?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:49 PM

abcd goldfish? L, mno goldfish! OSAR goldfish!

see...bickering is a natural part of the alphabet.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:49 PM

So then why the worry?   Everyone should shut up and go on about their merry way. If they aren't bothering anyone they can stay. If there is a problem, the host needs to do something to fix it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:51 PM

Guest. The person complaining about the party is d.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,perty host
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:42 PM

It's my party and I like d otherwise I wouldn't have invited him. If he offended me I would lock the door so he couldn't get in.

If I invite guests to my party it is bad manners for a very small minority of those guests to spend all night berating somebody in my home.

It isn't their place to tell me who I should throw out.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:43 PM

Guest. The person complaining about the party is d.

d is just trying to party.

But is pretty pissed at a,b,and c keep trying to get them thrown out and trying to turn the party into something else.