BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:13 PM

Joe - do your likes and dislikes remain the same when you change from "Joe Offer" { mild mannered moderator for a great international website } and when you turn into the "Current Chief of the Mudcat editing team" ? And does the change require a cape? Because your secret identity has been blown.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:46 PM

Gee...Shambles better hope "Mild-mannered, but sometimes opinionated Joe Offer" doesn't get replaced by a "neutral" program set to delete repetitious nonsense and non-sequiturs. Joe at least TRIES to make allowances for idiosyncratic aberrations...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 11:22 PM

"idiosyncratic aberrations..."

Should this kind of language be posted where children might see it?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:40 AM

I think the worst thing I ever did to a birthday thread is grumble about it. Is that so horrible?

Probably not - if you judge the role of a 'moderator' to inhibit posting.

If you judge that the role of a 'moderator' simply to enable and encourage posting - it probably is.

If the list of things that have been inhibited by this public 'grumbling' - only consisted of birthday threads it may not be too horrible. But the list is a long and continuing one.

If you wish to be free to grumble - like any ordinary poster - please don't hesitate to become one of us again..........

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:47 AM

Non sequitur alert: what does my birthday have to do with Mudcat editing?

As it was one of your great supporters who first introduced the subject to this thread - why not ask him?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:36 PM

I would shoot that devil if I were you Joe, her can't count.
Too many birthday drinks?
Giok

And then goes on to blame me.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:18 PM

Just because it's irrelevant doesn't mean Roger won't drag it into his whinge.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:54 AM

Hee hee!!!
Nice to see the old paranoia is still ruling your mind Roger.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:55 AM

Shambles, your persecutory delusions are worsening.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:16 PM

Who makes these rules, anyhow?
-Joe-

Well it would appear to be the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team who tells us what he will or will not allow others to post, what will or will not happen and what suggestions are accepted or not.

Or it could just be my fellow poster Joe Offer just expressing and acting on his personal likes and dislikes..............

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:48 PM

"personal likes and dislikes.............."

A personal dislike of mine is a string of periods at the end of what would have been a sentence had it had four periods. In this case, the ellipsis would be followed by the period or end punctuation point. Sorry to quibble so. Slow day.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:30 PM

Ahh, got my 'puter back. Just in time to remind this guy that the owner invited him to leave. Just go, Sham.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:50 PM

Sorry Peace.
.........etc.

Oh give over and just GO Shambles.
No, nobody here loves you.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:55 PM

how about dashes Peace ------- would that make it easier ----------?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:57 PM

As long as there isn't a hundred yards of them. I never did like that either. The mile was OK, but not the sprint.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 11:26 PM

"idiosyncratic aberrations..."

yeah, like 'public gesticulation'...(The children know MUCH worse!)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 11:28 PM

My gawd!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:59 AM

You called my son?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:11 AM

He called your son what?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:25 AM

I hope he calls him Ewan, after all that's what I call him.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 07:53 PM

Subject: RE: BS: F*** it whats the point.. why bother ?
From: Peace - PM
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 11:57 PM

This type of shit is the worst of trolling. Gets people concerned for no fucking reason. Piss off, please!

The above post was deleted and then copied and pasted into this thread by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team (for strange reasons of his own). Anyone want to try and explain why the following post was NOT judged suitable for deletion?

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For the record: the message above was moved, not deleted and copy-pasted - but that's neither here nor there, I suppose. The message below was not deleted because "Roger" does not like to see posts deleted, and this post was about him. We really don't know what to do with posts when they're about "Roger" - he complains if we leave them, and he complains if we delete them. Attacks on "Roger" are deleted when it appears that they may disturb the peace of the entire forum. Is it actually an "attack" to tell an exceedingly verbose person to shut up?? I dunno.
-Joe Offer-

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Subject: RE: Complaints about editing: Still here? and why?
From: Sorcha - PM
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 08:05 PM

ROGER! Shut the FUCK up and GO AWAY!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 07:59 PM

Oh, sure...because you haven't yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:09 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: F*** it whats the point.. why bother ?
From: Peace - PM
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 11:57 PM

This type of shit is the worst of trolling. Gets people concerned for no fucking reason. Piss off, please!"

Roger. That post was deleted for whatever reasons the person saw fit. It was my response (I think the second post) to a troll who was saying he was depressed and implying that he was going to kill himself and shit like that. However, he'd started two or three threads (or written to two or three) and called everyone with an edit button some sort of bad person.

I think that the whole thread got deleted.

I don't doubt that there may be a clone who is trigger happy, and with regard to me I can name that person. However, piss on it. Life's too short. That person will croak before me, and that'll have to do.

Please don't use me as the example for the things you are pursuing. If I get pissed about one of my posts getting the axe, I will inform Joe myself. No offense.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM

"Subject: ivtqgce xsvauheyc
From: GUEST,scwemjid uhqsjn - PM
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:25 PM

pikesqr zqcga hqbkz izsfpv psmtonihv zgrmxie chqnbayx"

I think I know what these posts are about. Does anyone recall in the old Superman comics that there was some sorta 'bad-news magical creature' that could only be sent back to its dimension by being tricked into saying its name backwards?

(NO applause necessary--it's a gift, but thanks for the thought.)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 11:30 PM

So the guest's name was njsqhu dijmewcs then? Wow! You might be onto something.

Well it makes as much sense as anything else around here.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 11:31 PM

Mr. Mptzxtlplx...or something like that....(I think he was copied from "Joe Bzftzlpk" in Lil' Abner....who always had a rain cloud following him)

(Now, *I* will accept applause)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 11:37 PM

For YOU, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:16 AM

Just lost the long post I wrote. Ratsafrazzle! My fault, wrong button.

Anyway, Mxyzptlk and Btfsplk appeared in the mid'40's so they may just have been great ideas of two genius cartoonists. One was a villain from the fifth dimension who ripped Superman a new one until the Man of Steel could trick him into saying his name backwards.

Joe was the ultimate jinx and the harbinger of all the bad luck there was to be had.

Mr.Srbpjqakxw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 05:25 AM

"This type of shit is the worst of trolling. Gets people concerned for no fucking reason. Piss off, please!"

At least he said please Roger, it's nice to see good manners like that, it's so rare these days.
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST,Bewildered Dingo
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:52 AM

Can some of you that continue to reply to Mr. Shambles explain why you keep doing so? You are giving him just what he is seeking; validation that his repetition is warranted.

If he is bad then you just might be worse, because you are perpetuating this nonsense and more at fault than he is. Some of you repeat the very same thing over and over and over...just as he does.

You are like a pack of wild dogs that jump a wounded pack member and tear him apart even though he is down and defenseless.

Please reassess what you are doing here. You are losing respect of some of your fellow members, if that matters to you.

Mr. Shambles, in the words of a song: "sometimes you just can't win" You have lost this argument even from those of us that might agree with some of your gripes. Please call it a day on this subject then try to regain the respect of fellow members by posting the useful type of messages you are capable of in the music section.

Dingo not hungry for blood

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 06:10 AM

You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing thread (in very small writing) and did not refresh the thread.

For the record: the message above was moved, not deleted and copy-pasted - but that's neither here nor there, I suppose. The message below was not deleted because "Roger" does not like to see posts deleted, and this post was about him. We really don't know what to do with posts when they're about "Roger" - he complains if we leave them, and he complains if we delete them. Attacks on "Roger" are deleted when it appears that they may disturb the peace of the entire forum. Is it actually an "attack" to tell an exceedingly verbose person to shut up?? I dunno.
-Joe Offer-

As the whole point of the introduction of the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team, his known and anonymous volunteer 'moderators' is said to be to protect us from abusive personal attacks - the fact that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team does not seem to consider that a post addressed to an individual telling them to shut the f*** up and go away, to be an attack - suggests strongly that it is now time for a change? Especially as this post is only following the example set by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team, that such posts are now acceptable posting behaviour on our forum?   

Few posters have the ability (or desire) to 'move' the posts of others and also cannot insert their personal opinions into the posts of others and attempt to disguise these as an 'editing comment'.

As for 'we' not knowing what to do when posts are about any individual poster - the simple answer as in all this - is the same.

What is requested is for equal treatment to be seen to be applied to all posters. When all is conducted fairly and openly - all parties are seen to be protected.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 05:05 PM

Is there any chance of anyone attempting to answer the following?

Would you judge that editing comments, belong and make sense ONLY where they are inserted into my posts?

If censorship must take place - why do you consider that it does not then make sense to place all editing comments where they belong?

[This where any form of imposed action has been judged to be required and to enable all poster to make an informed judgement on the true nature and level of censorship on our forum.]

Why would you consider one to be good idea and the other to be bad one?

Because this double standard is what the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is expecting (and appears to be receiving) your support in.............

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM

You may have missed the following comment Roger, it was inserted in a post by Max Spiegel, the guy who owns this site.

'Perhaps it's time you went Shambles'

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:15 PM

I like the way Joe does his comments, even when they are directed at me. He writes in that neat rust-coloured red and uses excellent grammar and punctuation.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:16 PM

For those that may have missed it - or those that wish to put their own words into the mouth of this site's owner - this is what was said.

Subject: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: Max - PM
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:43 PM

I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately.

Martin Gibson: you have to pack up and go. Your knowledge and contributions are valuable, and it's a shame that your sociopathy prevents us from hosting you or taking you seriously anymore.

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Joe: Do I need to separate you two?>snip<

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:20 PM

Shut UP and LEAVE Shambles. Nobody cares anymore. Start your OWN site and maintain it.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 07:49 PM

Apparently talcum powder is good for creaking boards.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 08:10 PM

Monothematic delusions

When some one is delusional, they will interpret all imput as confirming the delusional belief.

Methinks he ain't being stubborn and he really can't help himself.

He can't give it up. Presumably those of us who repeatedly respond or react can. So why don't we. It would be a kindness.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John O'L
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 10:02 PM

He can't give it up. Presumably those of us who repeatedly respond or react can. So why don't we.

Interesting that I should be sufficiently bored to check this thread just after someone has said exactly what I said so long ago.

It will never happen. You all suffer from the same affliction. This thread is like a bar for inebriates only. Well I've had my shot.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 04:29 AM

Well, yes, Shambles, I did refer to you as a buffoon.
Joe Offer
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Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 12:43 PM

Hmmmm.
Name-calling?
As far as I can recall, the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is generally quite careful not to directly refer to anybody by a name.

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Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed.(2)
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:35 AM
>snip<
Why should anybody bother with you, Roger? You're just a self-centered, puffed-up buffoon who has made a mockery out of himself. I wish it were otherwise, but you're really a sad case.
-Joe Offer-

Not too sure what is so delusional here?

Are there not special restrictions imposed on my postings announced and defended by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team?

Is the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team seen to pay little regard to any assurances given to our forum in editing comments?

Does the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team still insist on setting the example that posts containing only abusive personal attacks, name-calling and judgements of the worth of fellow posters is now acceptable on our forum?

Should I then ignore this?

I suggest that to do so - or to urge others to do so - would be the course that is truly delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:07 AM

Please don't use me as the example for the things you are pursuing. If I get pissed about one of my posts getting the axe, I will inform Joe myself. No offense.

It was not me who used your post as an example was it - so perhaps your request would be better addressed to those who did? No offence.

Had the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team not 'silently deleted' your post and then 'moved' it to this thread - for reasons of his own - I and our forum would not have known that your post even existed.

Had you (or any other poster) been pissed about such an action - you would not have gotten very far. First you would have had to try and prove that it (and not similar but remaining posts) was subject to imposed censorship.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 05:12 AM

Of course posts are subject to imposed censorship, get used to it Roger.
Pro bono publico is the term you will find fits the situation.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 11:47 AM

[PM] Max The future of Mudcat. What do YOU think? (81* d) RE: The future of Mudcat. What do YOU think? 12 Jan 00

Censorship will not happen. I do admit to deleting something here or there, but the ONLY two ways that will happen is if personal or delicate information is mistakenly posted and either I see it or the SUBJECT or POSTER requests that I remove it. The second way is if I feel like it (This is half a joke, the temptation as "The Man" to remove downright garbage is just too tempting sometimes, and I do reserve the ability for EXTREME situations, ex. Telling one to go ahead and do it in a suicide thread.)
Max

What is simply being requested now is that if censorship is judged to be required in order to protect us - that an editing comment is always inserted to indicate where and when it is imposed and a very brief reason provided.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:09 PM

The computer says No!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM

What is simply being requested now is that if censorship is judged to be required in order to protect us - that an editing comment is always inserted to indicate where and when it is imposed and a very brief reason provided.

And each time, shortly after that action we would read a post by you starting

You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing thread and did not refresh the thread.... ?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:49 PM

I know what I'd like to insert, and where, and I'm absolutely sure he'd notice it; them pineapples hurt!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:53 PM

Sorry Giok, you can't do that. It is quite simply too much. What I mean is that with his head so far up his ass he has to take his hat off to shit, there is no room for anything else!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM

You people that continue to respond to Shambles are the real fools and worse than he.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 01:54 PM

Oh how smug it is to be a guest!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 02:22 PM

"Oh wad the gift the guestie gie us,
To show himself, as well as be us."

anyone want to polish that last line, be my....uhh...guest.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 02:48 PM

Oh wad some powr the giftie gie us
Tae see oorsels, as ithers see us.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 02:52 PM

Good 'un, Bill.