BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:41 PM

You piss me off, Offer. I have never claimed one of the 100 or 1000 posts. After all these years, you just couldn't let me have one, could you? LOL.

Got any good recipes?

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:42 PM

Sometimes you can't fight City Hall. Sometimes you need to pick your battles. It doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you smart.

And when it is obvious that it is a case of City Hall picking their battles - and choosing you?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:47 PM

I know, Mick. It was cheap and tawdry, and I'm ashamed of myself.
[grin]
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:48 PM

I KNEW we'd reach one thousand before I left the office today. But truth be known I've got my eyes set on 5,000.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:50 PM

Oh no, you volunteered. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 05:55 PM

THE POINT OF THIS WEB SITE IS HAPPINESS
If I can't get it or deliver it, there is no point, and POOF it's gone.

Keep it light, take it easy, relax, enjoy your stay, and just be happy.
Max


It used to make some posters happy to post only to claim 100th posts.

It used to make (some of) our 'moderators' happy to delete these posts.

And it used to make the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team happy, to let them.

It did not tend to make those who were happy to post them - very happy to see their claims deleted.

Happily this has now changed.

Now it seems to make him happy to post such claims himself.

I am happy to have played some part in bringing about this welcome change on our forum and to enable all this happiness. It is small thing - but an encouraging start.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:01 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Joe Offer - PM
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 11:28 AM

Well, I can't log in, either, so I don't have access to proof one way or another. Generally, the 100th/200th claims are a no-no in music threads and in many serious discussions. People have come to think of them as obnoxious. I don't know why, but that's what they think.
I don't bother with them, but they're fair game for the Clones.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM

"I am happy to have played some part in bringing about this welcome change on our forum"

That would have sounded better if you'd said 'some SMALL part'. Keriste, Shambles, in the confluence of issues and problems, do you seriously think this is all that important? I have been one of your ardent supporters with regard to some aspects of your complaints. Getting Joe Offer to post 1000 in big letters didn't rank right up there if you catch my drift. Look up the term 'Pyrrhic victory'.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:16 PM

If you can't convince the host to make changes after all this time - it probably won't happen.

This may have been a small change - but it shows that posters making the attempt is not the totally futile exercise that many on our forum may have come to think it is.

Perhaps it may encourage other posters to try - and give the lie to the idea that any changes on our forum are now confined to only those that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team is in favour of.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:20 PM

Subject: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: Max - PM
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:43 PM

I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately.........

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:23 PM

The goal is elimination
Of all duplication
Can't you get this into your brain?
I'll make sure that you will
Finally swallow this pill
As I will say it again and again

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:28 PM

Subject: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: Max - PM
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:43 PM

I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately.........

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Blowzabella
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:36 PM

Now Mick - you've told us off often enough - don't fall into the same trap. Just put the keyboard down and walk away....good man

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 06:57 PM

It's his karma. The queen will be along to delete this really soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 09:04 PM

"And here is a bit more of that same quote that my friend Mick left out.

Joe: Do I need to separate you two? " the sham

I knew a guy who couldn't be blackmailed because the kinds of things that embarrassed other people, he bragged about.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 09:51 PM

Subject: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: Max - PM
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:43 PM

I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately.........

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 12:07 AM

" And when it is obvious that it is a case of City Hall picking their battles - and choosing you? "

It means that you won't win! Pretty simple to figure that one out.

Choose your battles carefully, before it is too late.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 01:40 AM

Shambles, just to quote Joe again, with my emphasis in bold:

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Joe Offer - PM
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 11:28 AM

Well, I can't log in, either, so I don't have access to proof one way or another. Generally, the 100th/200th claims are a no-no in music threads and in many serious discussions. People have come to think of them as obnoxious. I don't know why, but that's what they think.
I don't bother with them, but they're fair game for the Clones.
-Joe Offer-

Which just goes to show that this is not considered to be a serious discussion. I suspect that many here view this thread merely as a form of entertainment - I know I do.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:53 AM

Which just goes to show that this is not considered to be a serious discussion. I suspect that many here view this thread merely as a form of entertainment - I know I do.

I am glad it makes you happy. You are of course welcome to make that judgement (as long as you always accepted that others may not agree with it) and unlike me, in anyt thread you wish to. But perhaps posting to this thread only to express it, to talk about recipes or as the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has done - to claim the 1000th post - could be descibed a 'hi-jacking' the thread.

Or it would be if - if our 'moderators' were scratching around for some excuse to justify some form of imposed censorship - in order to prevent our forum from reading views and taking part in discussions that they would rather perfer our forum didn't.

This is certainly a thread containing a serious discussion on this subject as far as I am concerned - as it it the ONLY THREAD I AM PERMITTED TO DO SO. That is serious enough as far as I am concerned. And I remain very concerned.

Perhaps you could at least respect that, when making your judgement of whether this is is a thread containing a serious discussion?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:05 AM

Choose your battles carefully, before it is too late.

Two words to take issue with - 'Choose' and 'battles'. And I am also not sure what you mean by 'too late'?

It has never been my choice to battle at all.

All I try and do is post my views. Others appear be encouraged to see it as a battle to be joined in order prevent this (in many and ingenious fun ways).

Are you suggesting that I must change my views as a result?

And change them not because I have seen any argument that has persuaded me to change my views - but simply because of attempts to bully?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:29 AM

I knew a guy who couldn't be blackmailed because the kinds of things that embarrassed other people, he bragged about.

Thanks for that gem Ebbie. The fact that you would not see the irony and humour of you posting such a thing at this point - does explain a lot. But why would you wish to blackmail the guy you refer to or anyone else?

Just where is the moral-high ground supposed to in this example? And do you see yourself as one of the attempted blackmailers - or the potential victim? It seems to me that there is little credit to be had for either side in your senario.

Do you judge that the attempted blackmail of someone - really something for the would-be criminals involved in the attempted blackmail to bragg about then? Or that this attempt then entitles the criminals to pass judgement on their victim?

My only 'crime' on our forum is to try and post my honest views when many others try to find noble-sounding reasons to justify their various attempts to prevent this. Where as I don't see this as anything for me to bragg about - I certainly don't see it as anything I could be blackmailed for. Or anything that I should be intimidated for.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 08:03 AM

THE POINT OF THIS WEB SITE IS HAPPINESS
If I can't get it or deliver it, there is no point, and POOF it's gone.

Keep it light, take it easy, relax, enjoy your stay, and just be happy.
Max

I would like to suggest that the above words of Max be copied as an automatic response from our 'moderators' to any complaint or judgement made by one poster about the posting of another?

And that The Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum is confined to dealing only with requests for corrections to a posters own contributions?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 09:19 AM

Subject: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: Max - PM
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:43 PM

I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately.........

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 10:38 AM

You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh this thread.

Nope. Until Max pulls the plug on him, Shambles gets his one complaint thread to express what's important to him. If it gets out of hand, I'll close it and he can start another thread.
But if I close this one now, Shambles will just start another thread, and another after that, and another. I have no desire to do battle with him. I wish people would ignore him so maybe be'd be talking to a wall and get bored and talk about something else, or go away.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: JennyO
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 11:10 AM

I am glad it makes you happy

And I'm glad that you're glad that it makes me happy. After all, as you have pointed out many times -

THE POINT OF THIS WEB SITE IS HAPPINESS.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 11:35 AM

Subject: From Max: State of the Union Address
From: Max - PM
Date: 11 May 06 - 10:43 PM

I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately.........

Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 11:52 AM

This is getting good. I reckon if we stick around someone not a million miles away from here is going to implode.

How is it shambles can post with wit and eloquence, while his detractors have to shout in capslock and spew bile?

The bouncers are in need of a battery cahnge.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 02:42 PM

"Two words to take issue with - 'Choose' and 'battles'. And I am also not sure what you mean by 'too late'?"

Choose - figure out what is really important to take a stand on.
Battles - simply another word for taking an alternate position
too late - before it reaches a point where you suffer the same fate as Martin Gibson

"It has never been my choice to battle at all."
It depends on how you define "battle".

"All I try and do is post my views."
You do, and you keep repeating it and repeating it. That is your tactic in battle, and I understand that.

"Are you suggesting that I must change my views as a result?"
Hell no!   I have actually come around to see your points and I do agree with some of the things you say.

"And change them
There is nothing wrong with changing a view, if you see another side. I changed my view about you and what you are fighting for. My "suggestion" that you inquired about would be that your point has been made, anything else you are adding to it is not helping your cause even though you may think so. There is no proof that you are getting any closer to your goals and merely proving points over and over is tedious and a poor reflection on what you have to offer. You can do better than this.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 06:27 PM

'How is it shambles can post with wit and eloquence, while his detractors have to shout in capslock and spew bile?'

Many of the people who keep slagging Shambles have edit buttons. Think about THAT for fuck sake!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:02 PM

Wit & eloquence? Wit and eloquence???????

There does seem to be some confusion over whether simply abstaining from capital letters and naughty words equates to sense, reason & eloquence.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 07:08 PM

No confusion here. I wonder if like humour, Shambles doesn't 'travel well.'

There is a definite pond divide on who does and doesn't 'get' Shambles. With a couple of exceptions. Hi Ron.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 09:57 PM

Subject: RE: Some buggars died.
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 12:54 PM

Sometimes, when one is driven by self serving, and neurosis driven, goals, they fail to see the 2x4 in their own eye.

There is nothing wrong with changing a view, if you see another side. I changed my view about you and what you are fighting for. My "suggestion" that you inquired about would be that your point has been made, anything else you are adding to it is not helping your cause even though you may think so. There is no proof that you are getting any closer to your goals and merely proving points over and over is tedious and a poor reflection on what you have to offer. You can do better than this.

Ron - I have struggled with your post. You keep referring to fighting and battles - when I am simply trying to post my views. And in most conflicts - isn't any appeal for peace and calm - usually isssued to both sides?

Surely for any assumed battle on our forum to cease - it only requires those few posters and 'moderators' intent on trying to prevent discussion, to cease this attempt (and to be seen to lift the special restrictions on my posting)?

You refer to - my point being made and that adding to it is not helping 'my cause'. When I have no cause - and being able to continue to post in free, open and informed discussion on this issue and others - I see as an end in itself. One that is currently being denied to me.

Would you have been able to change your view - had I not (no matter how tediously) continued to try and post to discuss the issue and those trying to (equally tediously) to prevent this - had succeeded in their self serving, and neurosis driven, goals?

I can only hope that - like you - other posters may be prepared to change their mind or at least to give the issue some serious thought and be able to freely discuss all aspect of our forum.

I suspect those few who wish to prevent this discussion - would hope that that posters will not. Perhaps you could advise or make some suggested course of action to them also?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 10:01 PM

There does seem to be some confusion over whether simply abstaining from capital letters and naughty words equates to sense, reason & eloquence.

It is probably a good start.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 06 - 10:30 PM

"Ron - I have struggled with your post. You keep referring to fighting and battles - when I am simply trying to post my views. "
I have to disagree with you, at least the way it appears to me and perhaps others. Posting views is one thing, but the repeative nature turns it into a "battle". I will grant you that you end up taking most of the "hits", but you are also wearing a target for a t-shirt.

"And in most conflicts - isn't any appeal for peace and calm - usually isssued to both sides?"
Very true.


"Would you have been able to change your view - had I not (no matter how tediously) continued to try and post to discuss the issue and those trying to (equally tediously) to prevent this - had succeeded in their self serving, and neurosis driven, goals?"
I might have changed my mind if you got to the point earlier (remember my bullet point comments?). I think you have clouded the issues and made it difficult to understand what you are trying to accomplish.   

"I can only hope that - like you - other posters may be prepared to change their mind or at least to give the issue some serious thought and be able to freely discuss all aspect of our forum."
I think we do. I think you have become a special case for a variety of reasons that have been previously discussed. Sometimes a change is tactics is not a bad idea. These are not issues that can't be solved without compromise.

"I suspect those few who wish to prevent this discussion - would hope that that posters will not. Perhaps you could advise or make some suggested course of action to them also?"
Sure. Ignore this entire thread is one way - if you can't add anything constructive to the conversation, stay out. Simply knocking Shambles or any poster does not help - it merely shows that the poster has run out of ideas and can only attack the person.

What I did was to actually look at some of the threads you posted and I could see SOME of the issues in a different light.

Once again, we are subject to the whims of the owner and the designates of this site. If change is made, or if no change is made, it is the reflection of the "host". You and I can speak our minds, but we are not going to make the change. It would have happened already.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 12:09 AM

I agree with Ron. Change ain't gonna happen. However, you have every right to keep posting Shambles. I agree with about half you say, and thank you for keeping on saying it. Part of the reason I drop in to this thread either as a 'guest' or as me is to see which of the crew is slagging you yet again. You have received much vitriol from people and it's interesting to see that many offensive posts to or about you are allowed to remain. C'est la vie I s'pose. I admire your guts, and I'll say this: you have a pair of brass ones, because basically you have been mostly alone in your fight with all kinds of folks here, and in the final analysis you have acquitted yourself in a more dignified manner than many of your adversaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 07:00 AM

Once again, we are subject to the whims of the owner and the designates of this site. If change is made, or if no change is made, it is the reflection of the "host". You and I can speak our minds, but we are not going to make the change. It would have happened already.

Some of us may be able to freely speak their minds.

Our forum may well be subject to the whims of the owner but I do not see that our forum is also to be subject to the whims of their designates - for are they not very much part of our forum? And is it not claimed, that they are only there to carrying out Max's 'rules'.

Though as they do know what actions each other are imposing - quite how Max is supposed to know what they are - let alone approve - is unclear. This latest gem from Snitchers Corner will demonstrate the on-going level of confusion.

Misleading title changes

My concern, posted now for many years follwing many similar 'cock-ops' is that no measures appear to be implemented as a result of them, in order to prevent these sort of 'cock-ups from happening in the future. It all appears to be a bit of a game that is played, with our forum's contributions as the football, combined with some elements of Ground Hog day.

Many posters support our 'moderators' efforts - largely as they believe them to be well-intention - and they are. But most posters do not have the information to express an informed opinion as to the effectiveness or counter-productive nature of these efforts.

To address this, I have made the suggestion for editing comments to be inserted where any form of imposed action is judged to be necessary and for editing comments to be limited to only where some form has actually taken place.

Then, not only would posters be able to judge the true nature and current level of these actions and for the first time express an informed opinion on them - our 'moderators' would also know what action each other were taking.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 07:02 AM

Our forum may well be subject to the whims of the owner but I do not see that our forum is also to be subject to the whims of their designates

It isn't. Your whole case is based on a nonsensical idea that the mods regularly act against the wishes of the site owner.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 07:06 AM

Face the fact Shambles. If what you say is true and the mods could act according to thier own agendas, you would have been banned by a few of them from this site.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 07:06 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: jeffp - PM
Date: 13 Oct 06 - 01:51 PM

Actually, they are not the bouncers' rules. They are the owner's rules. The bouncers just enforce them.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: JennyO
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 09:40 AM

Shambles, you just proved GUEST's point with your quote :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 10:04 AM

" Some of us may be able to freely speak their minds. "

What you say perfectly illustrates the fact that this forum is subject to the whims of the owner and the designates.   I'm with Peace, I think you have every right to voice your opinion (even though I feel that you are being too repititive) and your points and suggestions have merit.

Lets face facts. The sanctions that have been imposed on you appear to be arbitrary and by reading the threads appear to have been introduced in an attempt to keep you quiet. People (moderators and other posters) have taken offense to your posts on various threads and single you out for thread-drift and other infractions (although it occurs daily by so many others)and you have been practicly rendered useless.

You have become that party guest that most people try to avoid. They don't want to look at your vacation pictures or have you try to sell them insurance. The really sad part is, they won't try to have a legitimate conversation with you either. When you enter, they leave the room or pick a fight - as if a fight were a way to justify their own egos and shortcomings. The atmosphere at the party changes and people move to other rooms. Meanwhile, the owners sit back and have a good laugh.

For change to be truly implemented, a voice of reason is required. You will have a very difficult time being that voice of reason, even though many of your posts are well-thought out and valid.   Perception becomes reality and you are perceived in a negative light by many people who have influenced this website.   I'm not saying that is right, far from it actually - it is just the way things are.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:20 AM

I'm not saying that is right, far from it actually - it is just the way things are.

It certainly would appear to be the way things are or the way a few now wish them to be. But in reality the majority of posters (if they are allowed to) still tend to respond to my posts as they would any other poster. Without knowing that the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team has fingerered this one individual poster as our forum's current public enemy number one - why would they not?

It would be nice to get these restrictions on my posting lifted but apart from that - my own treatment is less of an issue for me. I have always realised that trying to continue expressing my honset views was hardly going to make things easy.

The concern is the way posters are now generally treated and he attitude now shown to them by those few who have always ignored the reality of our host's open invitation for the public's contributions and have always treated our forum as if it were their own private club, to be shaped to their reqirements.

If I were Max - I would consider the attitudes, actions and wishes of these few posters to be the main problem now to enabling and encouraging new blood and to continuing free and open discussion on our forum. As these few do not really appear to see this (or every poster's happiness) as our forum's main purpose.

The difficulty is that many do have (or now feel they) have a personal relationship with Max. And many do have regular contact together outside of our forum and as a result of this, tend now to look inward in posts on our forum rather than outward.

What is referred (wrongly in my view) as the Mudcat Community is both our forum's biggest strength and its biggest weakness. This aspect is fine but in reality it tends to limit what is an open invitation from Max to the whole world - to the level of an exclusive (rather intolerant and bitchy) private club.   

Actions to reinforce this concept are counter-productive and most of the conflict is with and from those posters who feel intentionally excluded by these actions from this cosy club or have no wish to join any club that would have them as a member. But mostly because common sense tells us that an open invitation for the world's views - will NEVER produce a cosy like-minded group. Again, this is both a strength and a weakness for our forum. I see it mainly as our forum's strength and what makes it special.

I really think that the answer IS for a private online members only forum to be created to accomodate those who publicly express their wish only for this.

Our forum could then continue for those who can still see the value in Max's open invitation for everyone to join the party and for new posters who may wish to. And for every poster to largely be left to decide for themselves what to read, respond to or ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:21 AM

His points are invalid.

If his points had anything to do with concrn of the Mudcat policy of... , he might have some validty.

While he centers everything around a belief that everything wrong centeres around the Chief of Editing and has nothing to do with policy set by the site owner, he is talking nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 11:25 AM

Shables, if what you said was truthful, Big Mick for one would have banned you.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 12:30 PM

You have become that party guest that most people try to avoid.

No Ron, he has become the scapegoat for a VERY FEW 'grown' men and even FEWER dubious women to kick about. Presumably they feel very powerless in real life. Shame.

Never be under the impression that they represent MOST.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 01:11 PM

FWIW, I have also had a change of heart in regards to Shambles' posts and now feel that there is some validity to what he says. The posts of a few long time members, who seem to be obsessed with attacking him, have influenced the shift in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 01:25 PM

"he has become the scapegoat for a VERY FEW 'grown' men and even FEWER dubious women to kick about."

Good point guest! It is really hard to gauge who thinks what, but you start seeing the same names over and over.   

All it takes is a few grains of sand in your bathing suit to make a day at the beach miserable!

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 05:51 PM

Interesting that you use the day at a beach analogy. I always imagine the detractors rolling in like waves, albeit VERY SMALL waves.

It starts with a ripple, then a couple of 'I need to jump in here while it's going my way' detractors join in, then it rolls along steadily for a bit, then it reaches a crescendo as it gets very heated/irate/petulant. Then it crashes with a boom. Then it all goes silent.

Then they have another unproductive day where they are not taken too seriously and feel the need to build up into something they equate with power. And so it starts again and again and again.

Like Bobad, Shamble's VERY FEW detractors have behaved so ridiculously, they have done him a huge favour.

The funniest posts though are the regular as clockwork ' I know I should be ignoring him, but I just have to say this and then I will ignore him.' But they can't ignore him. It amazes me no end why his detractors are physically unable to not open this thread.

Shambles is all powerful.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 06:07 PM

Good point guest! It is really hard to gauge who thinks what, but you start seeing the same names over and over.   

Like Shambles and now Ron Olesko...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 06:10 PM

Sometimes we like to correct shambles blatant lies, guest.