BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM

Wrong shambles. Try it being a witness, solicitor or spectator. You would find youself dealt with.

The point is there are rules and codes of conduct people have to follow and there are apporopriate methods of dealing with those that don't.

The big difference here is that the mods have no choice other than to try to put up with your abuse. While I suppose one could argue they should never snap back, I'm not surprised it happens once in a while and I consider them to have been exceptionaly patient with you overall.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 01:52 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 08:31 PM

The alteration it needs must occur in the minds of the folks that respond to this stuff. Roger is entitled to his opinion, and in virtually every posters response they have indicated they are tired of his restating the same thing over and over; they are tired of him twisting quotes to serve himself; they go on and on about how he goes on and on. Do you folks learn anything? Who is worse, Roger or you? The question to Roger about who is "we" has been asked over and over.

Roger isn't the problem anymore. Those that feed him are.
Mick
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So posters - you can see that (according to Mick) it is not me or our 'moderators' who are the problem - but you. I wish I had a pound for every one of Mick's posts to these threads - since he posted that one. I would be very wealthy indeed.

The point is that poster do still have the right to post their views and just being judged irritating, not to your taste or making any other judgement of a poster's worth does meet - even the ever varying criteria to restrict or prevent their posting.

So no 'moderator' should be seen to be taking part, encouraging or even turning a blind eye to such things on our forum.

The only options open to posters (and 'moderators) are to ignore threads and posts that are not to their taste - or for them to post elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM

feel free to post what you will here, CH. The title of the other thread has been amended. Mudelf

Does that apply to my posts also?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:16 PM

No Shambles it doesn't apply to your posts too because you don't stick to the topic of the thread. All you do is regurgitate the same garbage wherever you post. You are only alloweed to post garbage in this thread but you still can post relevant information in any other thread. The rules for you really aren't too different then the rules for anyone else. If someone is going to complain and trash Max and his representatives then they will be edited out. Because you do it so often you are given one place to bitch and moan without being edited out. On any other thread you can post information that fits in with the theme of the thread. So stop complainging all the time about being isonlated to this one thread.

Of course, none of this really means squat because, as you know:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Your days are limited here if you don't change your ways. My guess is that you won't change.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 02:03 AM

Shambles, If you wish to quote me, please furnish the context of the quote - this admonishment was directed at a person (not at Shambles) who posted under a number of fraudulent names, a person who was trying his/her best to be "a pain in the ass."

If I did as you request - this would give you ammunition to delete it on the size of the copy and paste which you will permit. The intention is not to give the wrong impression of your words - just to provide enough of them and to ensure that I do not exceed the pemitted size of what you judge to be permissible.

As current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team - could you confirm here what Wolfgang is unwilling to confirm to our forum? That there was in fact a recent thread that we both posted to but which has vanished along with all of its posts - without trace or explanation?

Or are you not aware of it?

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I need more specific information to figure out what you're talking about. If you need information from the thread, contact me by personal message.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 11:28 AM

The rules for you really aren't too different then the rules for anyone else.

It would quite clearly appear from the following assurance - made in an editing comment - that they are. As another named poster was assured in an editing comment that they were free to post there, what they will...

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day - not monitored
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM

feel free to post what you will here, CH. The title of the other thread has been amended. Mudelf

Does that apply to my posts also?
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Quite obviously not as my post was anonymously moved from that thread to this one........

And also - from its clear title - our forum was wrongly given the assurance that thread was NOT MONITORED. Clearly this assurance was not seen to be honoured either.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:56 PM

You may have missed the following editing comment, which was inserted into an existing thread (where no editing action had taken place) and which did not refresh the thread.

I need more specific information to figure out what you're talking about. If you need information from the thread, contact me by personal message.
-Joe Offer-

It is me who is asking for specific information about a thread that has vanished without trace or explanation.

For I only know that Wolfgang and I both posted to a thread (along with others) that has now vanished without trace or explanation.

You do now appear to be a least be confirming that such a thread does exist - so perhaps you would be kind enough to explain its vanishing to the other contributors to that thread - whose posts have also disappeared with it - and to anyone else on our forum who will be interested in hearing the explanation of its fate?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 05:09 AM

You do now to be at least to be...

without the fill-words is a simple "You do to be to be...". You have a way with words, Shambles, so clear and succinct.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM

LOL.....Ah yes Wolfie......very well done.

To be is to do--Socrates, Greek Philosopher
To do is to be--Jean-Paul Sartre, French Philosopher
Do be do be do--Frank Sinatra, American Singer
You do to be to be--Shambles, English Doofus


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:04 PM

What ?!?!?!?!

You 2 guys must miss Shambles today ... you are the only 2 (next to me so far) that have posted to this wacky thread !!


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:19 PM

Nah... I just loved Wolfie's post and it reminded me of the old "do-bee" joke.

Truth be told, it don't matter a rat's ass whether we do or don't post. Shamby Pamby will come along and refresh and argue with himself until someone else comes along. And if they don't it won't stop him. Have fun with his ass. Ain't nothin' we say to him or him to us gonna' matter. Down the road he'll be on the train out of here. If you don't post or I don't for the next month, trust me,this thread will still be going. Call him a dick or yank on it....Just have a good time.

Shoot, maybe that's his whole problem......he needs a good fuck or something! Maybe not.....Don't care.....Don't matter!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM

I had a check just now, and I see he's done as many as fifteen consecutive posts before someone jumped in to give him a hand.

And that might not even be his record - I didn't go through more than a few of the 50s, of which this is number 34.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:55 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: McGrath of Harlow - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:33 PM

Let's just leave him alone. I'm rather sorry curiosity got the better of me and I dipped into this thread, and then made a couple of posts to it. It's easy to slip into the way of doing that, but it's not really a good idea. So "Over and out".

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:00 PM

I was court-martial in my absence, and sentenced to death in my absence, so I said they could shoot me in my absence.
Thomas Hardy

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:07 PM

Hmm, that's not a bad idea. Sentenced to death as a penalty for boredom.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:18 PM

Now this thread is drifting from the wacky to the macabre !!

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: bobad
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 09:04 PM

And number 6 posting on post #1666 makes it downright spooky.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 11:29 PM

I think the reason that Shambles is making so many mistakes in his postings is because he is beginning to feel like a trapped fox. The walls are closing in on him because he knows that he will soon be gone. Of course, he is too much of a Don Quixote to appologize or admit that he is wrong. Therefore he can't run and he can't hide. He can just keep posting the same things over and over and over. Nothing new whatsover. Of course, he can end all of this with a few PMs but he is too stubborn to even do that.

Anyway:

"Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell."

According to Max "Trust me, this matter will be dealt with in time. Trust me, we working as hard as we can to make this happen as soon as we can." That's about you leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 15 Nov 06 - 04:43 PM

That one about being tried in his absence etc, I've always read as attributed to Brendan Behan.

   I haven't read thru all the Shambles-...on second thoughts, I think this is for a new thread, forget it.


   on third thoughts, this may be the place.

   Has any one made the point that because we all have every human characteristic deep within us, that The Shambles is a gift to us.

   I'll explain by way of a joke which some but not all know.

   It's pouring. little old lady in house. Boatman comes along says the rain will get much worse and she'd better get in.

   "No," thus the lady,"The Lord will provide. Go away." The boat does.

   Rain gets so heavy, lady decamps to first floor. A second boat appears, with same conversation and result.

   Rain so heavy, lady moves to roof. Third boat appears, with same result and departs.

   Rain continues and lady drowns.

   She goes to heaven in a temper, determined to see the Top 'Man' who she is shown in to.

   "I trusted in you," she says.

   The Lord replies, "Well lady, i sent you three boats."




   My point with this story is to underline how easy it is to fail to see a gift when it's (that;s correct) right in front of your face.

   So how is The Shambles a gift.

   Coupla suggestions.
   
   Are you really saying you never change the subject when you don't have an answer? OK, so what's that about for you not-Shambles'?

   You never ignore difficult points?

    Never bog opponents down in irrelevant detail?

   
   The other point is about dealing with all those tendencies. Doesn't look too much like much of what is done is having too much effect. Tho' the heated responses to Shambles' general coolness and not-being-personal-ness(usually,usually) is rather amusing.

   My point is summed up in the thought,"If you keep on doing whAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE , you keep on getting what you've always got."

   Still, if it makes you happy................

   And don't forget,


"Always look on the br.....etc." Hopr we won't be regretting all this on our deathbeds - that's what I call a closed thread.




    Ivor



    ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 03:09 AM

Refresh.




      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 09:37 AM

Autolycus you are a fool. Why don't you go and live with Shambles.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: number 6
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 10:12 AM

I actually thought autolycus's post fit right into the wacky nature of this thread.

Very good autolycus, very good ... ????? :|

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 11:09 AM

I was referring to the "refresh".

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 17 Nov 06 - 04:45 PM

Cor,Shambles,your looky, you get argument.

I just get a stooning intellectual rebuke aka abuse. Or silence. How Pinteresque the scenery is.

Is this a standard response to coming at a slightly overdone subject from a new angle?

I've believed from the beginning that this is a forum for debate.




    Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 01:31 PM

Cor,Shambles,your looky, you get argument.

I do? - I get special posting restrictions, recipes and jokes.

I just get a stooning intellectual rebuke aka abuse. Or silence.

The silence is probably a little better than the abuse and name-calling.

I've believed from the beginning that this is a forum for debate.

So did I - perhaps we have both been led up the garden path? But perhaps it is not too late?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 01:32 PM

I just clicked that air fares link. Don't. It's got more fuckin' popups and cookies than Betty Crocker.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 03:18 PM

I've believed from the beginning that this is a forum for debate. (autolycus)

So did I (Shambles)

Then why does it never show in your posts?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 03:48 PM

Wolfgang,

I still take you to be an intelligent person, so I'm gobsmacked that you don't think Shambles and I ever debate.

I've only just (few days ago), put up a series of propositions for debate on this very thread. So far, no-one has begun to debate any of them. I can't do the debating on my own.








          ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 10:50 PM

Yes you can autolycus. I heard that you were a master debater.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 12:36 PM

My point is summed up in the thought,"If you keep on doing whAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE , you keep on getting what you've always got."

The result of our 'moderators' doing what they have always done (imposing restrictions, publicly judging their worth, insulting posters calling them names, permitting others to indulge in this and being seen to generally inhibit posting except from the very brave or the very foolish) - is the following for the record statement. Whatever the rest of us think - it is clear from this - that 'they' don't like the result. But all 'they' can think of - is more of the same. I suggest that it is not only up to 'them' but up to all our forum.

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done. Ebbie's suggestion about putting Secret Santa in the music section is a very simple answer to one major objection I had to members-only BS posting - duh, why didn't I think of that?

So, short of members-only posting, what can we do to bring peace to this place? I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one.
-Joe Offer

I am not sure if I can see myself as much of a gift to our forum so I am sure that a good few others would struggle with that concept. But the issue is bigger than any one individual poster or 'moderator'.

For I feel we have limited opportunities in our lives and can ill afford to casually pass any of them up without at least putting up a bit of a struggle.

And I really think that Max has provided us with a gift - in the shape of our forum. Perhaps that statement is something that most of us can at least agree on as a starting point?

A few have never seemed to see the reality of this gift. Seeing the open invitation for the public's contributions only as presenting problems that can only be solved - and at the very slightest of excuses - by imposing limitations and yet further limiting our forum to something they feel they can shape and control. And not to be seen to be doing this openly - but to impose it secretly, inconsistently and anonymously.

This divisive approach is less 'moderation' than it is 'strangulation'. But whatever it is - it appears to have failed to achieve what its chief proponent requires for it.

So for a start - perhaps others can now be allowed to discuss the issue and make some positive suggestions in this thread and elswhere - as to how - in the words of the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team "to bring peace to this place"?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 02:25 PM

Still,Shambles,I'm not aware of being censored myself. What am i doing right?






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:10 PM

Still,Shambles,I'm not aware of being censored myself. What am i doing right?

The key word is aware. 'Silent deletion' means that you are not supposed to be aware.

If you had contributed to the following thread - Winona Ryder's birthday thread(s) , or to the earlier one or to the one that Wolfgang and I posted to which has vanished without trace - your post would have been censored and 'silently deleted - along with all the other posts in the entire thread - no matter how harmless your post may have been.

So it is not even a case of you doing anything right. As even thinking you are doing that - does not make your posts safe from 'silent deletion'.

So even if you do not try to say anything our 'moderators' do not want you to - you are not safe from 'silent deletion' - despite any assurances to the contrary - given to our forum by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - like the following:

No, nothing you've posted has been deleted. It takes quite a bit to warrant deletion - direct attacks on people, racism, stalking, or frequent multiple posts of the same messages.
-Joe Offer-

And despite this assurance - it is a clear fact that certain favoured posters are permitted to post ONLY abusive personal attacks - and still be seen to be perfectly safe from any form of editing action.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Blowzabella
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 06:15 PM

...it is a clear fact that certain favoured posters are permitted to post ONLY abusive personal attacks...

Are you honestly saying that certain members of this forum are so restricted in what they are allowed to post, that they may only post things which are personal attacks on other posters?? Cos that's what it sounds like???

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 07:19 AM

Cos that's what it sounds like???

I am quite sure you understand exactly what is being said here.

Perhaps you would care to discuss the desirability and unfairness of this on our forum - rather than take all the trouble to post ONLY to take issue with the way it may be said? As you are not being restricted to ONLY this.

Some favoured posters being seen to be permitted by our 'moderators' to contribute posts containing ONLY abusive personal attacks and name-calling - is not the same as them being seen to be restricted to this.

Would you consider it preferably for all posters on our forum to be seen openly to be receiving equal treatment from our 'moderators'?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Blowzabella
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 08:12 AM

As a matter of fact, I did not understand exactly what was being said. Which was why I posted my question. And posting it wasn't any great trouble, not really.

However, when the written word is our only means of communication - unenhanced by body language, vocal tone, or facial gesture, it becomes very important to write clearly. Your suggestion that, in posting, I was somehow 'taking issue with the way it may be said' somehow tries to paint me as an aggressor, when it was your own badly structured sentence which had caused the confusion, which I sought to disperse. You have now clarified what you were trying to say. It was not clear before.

And thank you for the invitation, but I am not inclined to enter into a lengthy discussion of anything, just at the moment. I am on my lunch break and need to go shopping for groceries.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 09:23 AM

As a matter of fact, I did not understand exactly what was being said. Which was why I posted my question. And posting it wasn't any great trouble, not really.

Well perhaps providing the following examples - from a favoured poster who has no special restrictions imposed on his posting by our 'moderators' - may help you understand and encourage you to comment on the fairness and desirabilty of this double standard being seen on our forum?

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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:53 PM

Sorry Giok, you can't do that. It is quite simply too much. What I mean is that with his head so far up his ass he has to take his hat off to shit, there is no room for anything else!

Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:33 AM

Dig it Shambolina....We all know that YOU can prolong the life of a thread all by yourself.......and you do. Several times this thread has gone dormant for almost 24 hours, especially lately, and you refresh it with bullshit.

Max asked you to leave. Get the fuck out.

Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 11:20 PM

Aw Mick, that ain't right. Lemmee help you out here.

Shambolina you say that you need an explanation "provided to indicate where, why and when such action has been judged necessary?"

Okay Rog.....Here's one you can always refer to should someone zap a post.

One of your flakey posts on some thread or another was zapped the other day because it was another of your sillyass and repetitious rants built around misquotes and out of context, copy and paste, bullshit. If it had any redeeming value it was moved to this thread, otherwise it is gone into the ether and only it's smell remains.

That ought to cover all of your problems......except for the fact that you haven't left after Max asked you to go.

Have a nice day Twiddles.

Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:28 AM

LMAO.......Well there ya' go! You really are a mental case Shambolina!

Here's one guy who really tries to work it through and see your points and stand up for you with some solid reasoning............So you aggressively go out of your way to piss HIM off?!?!?!?!

I have a bad case of the giggles and it's hard to type..........The irony and your inability to perceive anything.............geeziz LOLOL ................you're really mental........LOLOL

Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:45 AM

There ya' go Ebbie. You have received right from the horse's ass a Shambolina Classic. Syntax and logic both are garbled and beyond recognition. The last "policy" Max had towards postings by the Piss&MoanMeister was a request he leave.

Got a mirror Roger? I mean do you have one your wife will allow you to use without fear of breakage? If so, please look into it and say, "Geeziz, I am really an asshole." Repeat this one hundred times and then perhaps you will be able to read what Max has actually said and see that you are not his defender but his antagonist and your ass is about to get the boot as outlined for you previously.

Do yourself a huge favor Roger and go back to your poems and songs and drop the vendetta. Just a suggestion mind you, but it's a good one.

Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 02 Nov 06 - 07:51 AM

Shamby Pamby......Please note that NONE of your current postings have been "invited" by Max. His own last postings regarding yourself have been invitations to LEAVE.......not post. You cannot deny his words and there is NO SPIN you can put on them that has any other meaning except "You too, should bid farewell." Down the road, the choice will be out of your hands. Why continue being such a stupid shit now. Quit slamming Max (and that is indeed who you are slamming) and "perhaps"............

Spaw
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:46 PM

"It is perhaps our call to bring attention to when such instances of abuse occur - without being subject to special posting restrictions for trying to make these attempts?"

Then send Max a PM Dumbass. Scared? Sure you are Shamby. Max might even respond and tell you to go fuck yourself! You're really diving deep into the crazy hole anymore. Is this just for our benefit or are you doing this shit with friends around town and acting this wacky in your own home? If so, you can't be too far from some serious talks with some nice people who will give you a padded room.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 06:44 AM

Still,Shambles,I'm not aware of being censored myself. What am i doing right?

Ivor -
I think have answered that.........

But as I (and others) have been censored despite the assurance you were given about meeting the required criteria - perhaps you could explain what we are doing wrong?

Perhaps you could also try and have better luck in establishing what became of the recent thread that Wolfgang and I both posted to and which vanished without trace? For you may well have posted to it yourself.

I need more specific information to figure out what you're talking about. If you need information from the thread, contact me by personal message.
-Joe Offer-

It would appear (from the above editing comment inserted in this thread where no form of editing action had taken place) that there are too many such instances where entire threads are 'silently deleted' - for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team to narrow it down to the one I am referring to.

Or to inform our forum if that thread did meet or did not meet the required criteria for 'silent deletion'.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 01:55 AM

Another gem from Snitchers Corner.

Please allow all spam

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Nov 06 - 08:51 AM

Let's have a look at the so-called criteria, what is to be 'allowed' by our 'moderators' and exactly the double standards that posters are being asked to support (and a few willingly, foolishly and noisily do appear to blindly accept). Do you accept this?

Here are three - for a start.

1 All spam is bad. And must be deleted (even to the extent of closing perfectly accepatble music threads bacause of spam).

Except when spam is not bad and intentionally posted (to this thread) by a 'moderator' - then it is then judged bad for any 'kind-hearted but misguided Clone' to delete it.
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2 All anonymous posting is bad. And those unamed guests, will be judged and accused by some of our (anonymouous) 'moderators' and accused by them, of not being bold enough to identify themselves by name'.

Except when anonymous posting is not bad and then - not only can certain favoured ones post anonymously and be on the side of the angels - they can also anonymously and 'silently delete' the posts of other posters - who are bold enough to identify themselves by name.
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3 All posting of personal abuse and name-calling is bad. And will be 'eliminated'.

Except when it is our 'moderators' who are setting the example of indulging in this and certain favoured posters as long as they are only posting to personally abuse certain individual posters.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 22 Sep 06 - 04:14 PM

I agree that if one uses personal attacks on Shambles, they will be eliminated. If they are responding to him, silly though I believe that to be, that will be allowed.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 06:35 AM

Has Snitchers Corner (AKA - The Mudcat Help And Trouble Forum) been purged?

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: autolycus
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 07:05 AM

I do keep a memory of what I post, and nothing has
been deleted.So this discussion is puzzling for me.

   What was the subject of threads that have been
deleted?

   Incidentally, I got mild abuse from GUEST, and
that's still there, so not all abuse gets deleted. And
I already knew I was a fool,tho' GUEST wouldn't have
known that.

   I'm interested in Wolfgang's silence, and the silence
of the many who have abused Shambles. Hopefully that
denotes reconsideration, and that we'll find out the
outcome. It's fearfully interesting that groups
universally seem to need a scapegoat.

   I've found that if I don't abuse then I'm untroubled
by editors.


   "The three great strategies for obscuring an issue
are to introduce irrelevancies, to arouse prejudice and
to excite ridicule." Bergan Evans






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 07:25 AM

Ivor we're keeping our counsel, as it is a waste of breath and/or cyberspace to try reasoning with Shambles. I suggest you follow suit, and leave him to bumble along in his own little world.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 07:56 AM

What was the subject of threads that have been
deleted?

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=96061&messages=1

Was one. Status Quo was the subject of the other(if you look back you will see the details in this thread. The thread that has vanished without trace (the same one that Wolfgang does not wish to talk about) - was about Guest posting (and it was not started by me).

But Ivor - am I the one to ask about the amount or subjects of threads that are 'silently deleted'? I am only aware of the few that I accidently discover and can only discuss those. Those who can answer and already have given you what you can now see was a worthless assurance - are the ones who could inform you and our forum - but appear reluctant to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 09:43 AM

It's fearfully interesting that groups
universally seem to need a scapegoat.

It is but shambles has never been a scape goat. People like Martin Gibson and anonymous guests have often been credited for a greater contribution towards general unpleasantness here that I for one believe they have deserved.

In the shamble's threads, shambles is the one using a scape goat. Joe Offer (and to a lesser degree some mods) are the cause of all ills here and he, not others, start the rounds of accusations.

Others may reply, argue against, make fun of, etc. shables posts but it is rare to see him blamed for any Mudcat woes, except his own personal ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 09:51 AM

To clarify:

To shambles, Joe Offer (and to a lesser degree some mods) are the cause of all ills here and shambles, not others, start the rounds of accusations.

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 10:21 AM

It is now as clear as NAFFI tea..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 09:02 PM

Mobbing is a form of sociological scapegoating which occurs in the workplace. From At The Mercy Of The Mob A summary of research on workplace mobbing by Kenneth Westhues, Prof. of Sociology University of Waterloo, published in OHS Canada, Canada's Occupational Health & Safety Magazine, Vol. 18, No. 8, December 2002, pp. 30-36.

"Scapegoating is an effective if temporary means of achieving group solidarity, when it cannot be achieved in a more constructive way. It is a turning inward, a diversion of energy away from serving nebulous external purposes toward the deliciously clear, specific goal of ruining a disliked co-worker's life. ...

Mobbing can be understood as the stressor to beat all stressors. It is an impassioned, collective campaign by co-workers to exclude, punish, and humiliate a targeted worker. Initiated most often by a person in a position of power or influence, mobbing is a desperate urge to crush and eliminate the target. The urge travels through the workplace like a virus, infecting one person after another.

The target comes to be viewed as absolutely abhorrent, with no redeeming qualities, outside the circle of acceptance and respectability, deserving only of contempt. As the campaign proceeds, a steadily larger range of hostile ploys and communications comes to be seen as legitimate."

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 09:48 PM

Now, the counter says 1697, which means this message should be 1698, but the counter has been screwed up, which makes it well-nigh impossible to tell if 1700 is really coming, and is 1700 a singificant number, anyhow?
I think I'll shoot for 1750, a much nicer number, indeed.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 10:29 PM

I don't see anything wrong with the counter...

Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts.
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Nov 06 - 10:29 PM

Which means this ought to be 1700.