Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafemuddy

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Origins: Hava Nashira

DigiTrad:
ALTEH BUCK
BORSCHT CIRCUIT WHOOPIE
DREMLEN FEYGL (Drowsing Birds)
MAYN RUE PLATS
MAYN RU'E PLATZ
UNTER DAYN VAYSE SHTER'N


Related threads:
(origins) Origins: Where is the house / Ou est la maison (12)
Holocaust/shoa songs. In memory. (48)
Lyr Req: Vu Ahin Zol Ikh Gehn (Korntayer/Strock) (11)
Lyr Req: Miserlou (63)
Lyr Req: yiddish? take a match give a scratch (10)
Lyr Req: 'O Hanukkah' (Yiddish & Hebrew words (17)
Lyr Req/Add: Yiddish songs (60)
Lyr Req: Yiddish Partisan Song (Zog Nit Keyn Mol) (23)
Lyr Req: Un du Akerst (Yiddish Worksong) (13)
Lyr Req/Add: Yosl Ber/Yossel Bear Gayt in Militar (16)
(origins) Origins/lyrics: Hey Zhankoye (23)
Lyr Req: 'Banks of the Ohio' in Yiddish (45)
Lyr/Chords Req: Ladino Hanukkah Songs (13)
chanson juives en Francais - Margaritkelech (5)
Lyr Req/Add: Josele, majn krojn - Yiddish song (6)
Russian/English/Yiddish - Bublitchki / Bublichki (17)
Jewish Folk Song for Kids (32)
Lyr Req: I need the words to an Israeli song (14)
Lyr/Tune Add: Vu Iz Dos Gesele (60)
Lyr/Chords Req: Di Mame Iz Gegangen (Jiddish) (10)
Lyr Req: Ladino Songs (39)
Tune Req: Sephardic songs/ Era Escuro (13)
Lyr Req: Klezmatics: 'Eyn mol' (7)
Lyr Req: Sephardic Songs (22)
Lyr Add: Palestine, My Palestine (96)
Yiddish song websites? (25) (closed)
Lyr Req: Ladino lyrics for Misirlou (25)
Lyr Add: Oy Mame, Bin Ikh Varlibt (Yiddish Song) (10)
Yiddish workers songs (22)
Lyr/Chords Req: Mir Zaynen Ale Brider (9)
Lyr/Tune Req: My Yiddishe Momme (Yellen, Pollack) (21)
Lyr/Tune Req: Yiddle on Your Fiddle Play...Ragtime (27)
Lyr Req: Papirosn (16)
Ale mentshn zaynen brider (17)
Lyr Req: Rozhinkes Mit Mandlen/Raisins and Almonds (20)
Bo Dodi-Israeli folk song (16)
Hebrew/ Yiddish/ Ladino songs (84)
Hasidic/slow Klezmer CD recommendations? (22)
Ginger - a lurid Yiddish Song (5)
Lyr Add: Channukah, Oh Channukah (21)
Lyr Req: Chanukka: 'the light burning low' (9)
Lyr Add: Hinei Ma Tov (11)
Lyr Req: Rock Of Ages/Mo Oz Tzur (sp?) (7)
ADD: Huliet, Huliet Kinderlach (Yiddish)[Hulyet] (12)
Lyr/Chords Add: Dodi Li (Hebrew song) (6)
Lyr Add: Va'yiben Uziyahu - King Uzziah (Heb) (2)
Lyr Add: Erev Shel Shoshanim (6)
Lyr Req: Shemesh Sha-kae-ah (6)
Lyr Add: Tsen Brider (12)
(origins) Origins: Oj, dortn, dortn / Oy, Dortn, Dortn (18)
Lyr Add: Yoshke Fort Avek (3)
Lyr Add: Hineh Ma Tov (19)
Lyr Add: Mi Y'Malel (4)
Lyr Add: The Old Gypsy/White Christmas in Yiddish (8)
Lyr Req: Yiddish princess (5)
Tune Req: Yoshke,Yoshke (5)
Lyr Add: The Sheitel Song: Burn Your Wig (10)
Folklore: Sephardic-Ladino/English-Scottish ballad (1)
Yiddish pronunciation? (11)
Yiddish word for silver (13)
Lyr Req: Hineh Ma Tov (phonetic) (5)
Yiddish Cd by Yaffa Yarkoni (3)
OBIT: Yiddish songs folklorist Ruth Rubin (2000) (4)
Lyr Req: Hasidic song Lechah Dodi (6)


Joe Offer 06 Jun 18 - 07:19 PM
GUEST,Gerry 06 Jun 18 - 08:13 PM
Joe Offer 06 Jun 18 - 09:32 PM
Jack Campin 07 Jun 18 - 11:11 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:





Subject: Origins: Hava Nashira
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 07:19 PM

I've known the Hebrew round "Hava Nashira" for a long time, and I don't know where I learned it. It's in the Rise Up Singing Songbook that I've used since it was published in 1988, so maybe I learned it from there.
But where does the song come from?

The lyrics are simple:

Hava nashira, shir’ haleluiah (three times)   

One translation
Let us sing together, sing Halleluyah!

Here's a recording by the Georgia Children's Chorus:



So, I figured this song must be traditional Hebrew, and that's that. But I can't find it in my Jewish songbooks, although it's in a number of Rounds books.

The song is popular as a choral piece, and there is a choral arrangement available from GIA (Gregorian Institute of America). GIA says the arrangement is by Neil Ginsberg, and the composer is Johannes Ockeghem. J.W. Pepper has a choral arrangement by Patrick Liebergen, composed by Johannes Ockeghem. But Johannes Ockeghem was a 15th-century composer who wrote Masses and antiphons and other Christian stuff.

Now, this page (click) claims the melody was written by Ockeghem, and used after his death to sing the praises of Benedictine liqueur. The lyrics were simply, "Benediktiner Munklikör." The page says the melody was resurrected by Jews in the 19th century and used with the "Hava Nashira" lyrics.

But is this what happened, or is it all "fakelore"? Can anybody come up with credible source information on this song?

-Joe-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Hava Nashira
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 08:13 PM

The annual Hava Nashira Songleading Workshop just ended a couple of days ago. Maybe someone connected with the event can help you. https://osrui.org/event/hava-nashira-2018/


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Hava Nashira
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 09:32 PM

Thanks, Gerry. I should have thought of that.
I wrote to them just now. That workshop is held at a camp on Lac la Belle in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin - I led 4 or 5 canoe trips a year starting on that lake, for five summers in the 1960s.
-Joe-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Hava Nashira
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jun 18 - 11:11 AM

A lot of Hebrew songs come from Christian or Islamic musical traditions. This one is a real doozy:

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=12952

It isn't often you have a problem tracing a song because somebody involved in the process of transmission has a religious prohibition against mentioning its name.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 21 July 5:56 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.