BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce

Subject: BS: late, lamented Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:06 PM

Fellow cooks (especially Southern U.S. regional cooks), please help!

I have flown into a panic because my favorite barbecue sauce component, Woody's Cook-In Sauce, is suddenly unavailable. Web research has produced only the information that it was made in New Orleans and that it's no longer in production.

Alas! I have used this product for about 50 years, and as far as I know there is nothing else like it: It contained the smoky and spicy components of a barbecue sauce without the sweetness, and in a formula that was thick enough to stay where you put it. It made catfish heavenly, and mixing in some Woody's made other types of sauces (sweet barbecue sauces for chicken, for example, and hoisin sauce for lamb) infinitely more interesting.

So, does anyone have any information on what happened to the company, a replacement product I could order, or a recipe for anything similar?

Many thanks in advance.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM

It'll take me awhile to find the thread, but it's one I started about a great guitarist who lives in CA and makes his own and I don't think it'd be sweet because he made it esp. for folks with high bp, like himself...oh drat, he's played with everyone and many 'catters didn't know about some of his career. He's an older African American. I'll see if I can find it. His stuff si guaranteed to be delicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:34 PM

Thank you, O wise and laughing Kat. I sing your praises -- and will sing them even more if you come up with a recipe for something that's anything like Woody's.

Cheers!
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:40 PM

LOL...well don't count the chickens just yet...I don't think this is him, but i did find this one which says "no sugar added!" (I hate sweetness in that and salad dressing, too!)

I'll keep lookin'!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:47 PM

Well. that's not like Woody's, because it is sweetened, though not with sugar.

Woody's did have some sugar in the ingredients, but way down on the list. Here, by the way, is the list of its ingredients:

water, tomato paste, soybean oil, white and wine vinegars, hickory smoke, spices, salt, sugar, soy sauce, caramel color, anchovies, onions, tamarinds, flavoring, xanthan gum, potassiaum sorbate, sodium benzoate, red no. 40

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: heric
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 05:56 PM

Claire it's no substitute of course not even close but you can still find life after Woody's with Bronco Bob's Tangy Apricot Chipotle Sauce. mmm

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 04:09 PM

Well, thanks to bobad, over in my Search Glitch thread, I can point you in the right direction to Brother Bru-Bru's sauce. Not sure if it will be anything like Woody's, but it's worth a look. Bruce Langhorne was the original Tambourine Man. That's what the title of my thread said, just couldn't remember!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 04:35 PM

Thank you, Kat. From the ingredients I'm guessing it will be quite different from Woody's--which isn't actually all that hot, just spicy--but it may help fill the void until I can perfect a knock-off recipe from the list of Woody's ingredients. (Don't you just hate ingredients lists that say "spices"?) That would, of course, be a lot easier to do if I actually still had a jar of Woody's, but alas, we finished off the last one a couple of weeks before finding out we couldn't get more. Drat!

BTW I LOVE the photo on the Bru-Bru Web site!

Does/Did anyone here else use Woody's?

(My husband tells me I've been remiss in neglecting to add the following musical content: After consuming catfish brushed with Woody's, my guitar playing was always much improved for a period of several hours. THAT's the real reason I must have a substitute!)

And if you believe that...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 08:11 PM

Claire, I'm a Woody's fan as well. Had a bit of concern when it wasn't at the local market for a few months, but then it came back.

It's a bit strong by itself, but as you say, mixed with some sweeter/hotter sauces, it's great. The ingredient list not only contains "spices" but "flavoring", too. Hmpf!

Trying to approximate it at home, the liquid hickory smoke will be key. Probably not very healthy, but hey.

I'll check the local market, and if there's any on the shelf, I'll get a jar for you.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Pat Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 10:43 PM

I found it at Ocean State Job lot. $1.00 per bottle. It is regularly 25.99 for 4 bottles. I just tried it and my friends and I went nuts over it only find it out of production.

I wonder if the company went under from Katrina? I will be trying to find the original recipe if the owner is still alive. I say this because the seafood company owner I used to buy from drowned in the storm.

Anyone else have the recipe? I also have Brother bru-Bru's very good but very different and way to hot for mst people

Pat

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Bee
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 11:15 PM

Anchovies and tamarinds: I'll bet those two are very important flavour components

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 11:27 AM

MichaelR -- thank you! See you tonight at the Les Barker do?

I will keep you posted on my attempts to recreate it, but I'm off later today on a 10-day camping trip, so it will be a while before I can check back in.

Thanks everyone, and please keep posting any info you find.

I a PO box for the company, though whether it's still active I cannot say. Wish I had time to write a letter myself, but it will have to wait until I come back. In the mean time, it's up to you you, Pat:

Woody's Foods, Inc., PO Box 60296, New Orleans, LA 70130.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 12:54 PM

Found this on another message board:

"Woodys Cook-In Sauce - description, ingredients

"This sauce cooks in and through the meat without burning. It is a rich sauce that is ideal for cooking and marinating.

"Ingredients: .1% sodium benzoate, anchovies, carmel color, FD&C RED No. 40, flavoring, hickory smoke, onions, potassium sorbate, salt, soy sauce, soybean oil, spices, sugar, tamarinds, tomato paste, water, white and wine vinegars, xanthan gum."

Who knows what the "flouring" is, though! Good luck with it.

(I'd forgotten that Bru-Bru's was a hot sauce!)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Tenkiller
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 04:14 PM

I grew up with Woody's too but have gone away from it for several years.
When I was at the grocery store last week I picked up some Mr. Stubbs BBQ sauce and after tasting it a few times realized how close it was to the flavor of Woody's (not sweet at all). I'm disappointed to hear that Woody's is out of production, I probably would have been looking for some now that Mr. Stubbs reminded me of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,big john
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:00 AM

I work for a distributor that distributed Woody's and I must say, the people and stores are totally p/o'd. Apparently some other big company bought out Woody's and decided not to make it anymore. I've actually got my hands on about 30 jars in the north Texas area, anybody want to make an offer?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:32 AM

The list of ingredients sounds an awful lot like Worchestershire sauce. It also has soy, anchovy and tamarind.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:39 AM

What's this company? - if they have decided that it was not economic to make and sell, then it can't be worth very much ;-) and a cheap offer by a 'co-op' of interested parties who want to make it and distribute to their members, might just get the recipie.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Grab
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 01:07 PM

Should I be worried that I misread the title as "Woody's Cock-In Sauce"...?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 03:48 PM

Yes, you should. Be VERY worried.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Yarby
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 08:32 PM

My family are all Woody's fanatics. Nothing compares and I've tried them all. I too cannot find it anywhere. If it's been taken out of production, I will be heart-broken. If anyone has a real contact to this company (or the company that bought Woody's), please post it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,gumbotex
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 11:00 AM

Woody's cook in sauce is made and distributed by:

If you have questions or comments about online orders at Luzianne.com, please email [e-mail] or call 1-800-692-7895.

For all other inquiries or comments:

Mail:
Luzianne.com
Reily Foods Company
640 Magazine St.
New Orleans, LA 70130

Phone: [phone]

Fax: [phone]

E-mail:
For general comments and inquiries about Reily Foods, please send e-mail to [e-mail].

Web site:http://www.luzianne.com/talk_to_us.cfm?

I believe if all of the Woody's user's in the world would send an email to the company asking why they discontinued Woody's or asking for the recipe, we just might be able to change their minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Pat Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 12:34 PM

Everyone send the emails. Let's at least get the recipe. The Co-op idea is a good one. Can anyone find an old employee of Woody's? I'll try to round up as much of it as I can and would be happy to share it with you guys for what it costs me.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Pat Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 07 - 04:54 PM

I have a call and an email into the company asking for it to be made again or for the recipe. I'll keep you posted. You guys should also email or call.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Gumbotex
Date: 28 Jun 07 - 09:42 AM

The answer I got back: I do believe thousands of emails could change their minds or lead to someone that would purchase the brand.

From: Brenda Macaluso [[e-mail]]

June 27, 2007



Dear Mr. Hewitt:



Thank you for your message and your loyalty to the brand.



Unfortunately the decision to discontinue was made due to several different reasons – and sadly, final decision was made to discontinue.



To let you know though, we are hoping that we can sell the brand. We do not have a buyer at this time – but we hope we will be able to find one.



We thank you once again for your loyalty and are sorry we are not able to be of help to you.



Sincerely yours,

Brenda Macaluso

Consumer Affairs Manager

Reily Foods Company

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:12 PM

Claire -
Maybe we can be of some help to each other here ... I bought 4 cases (yup, you read that right) of Woody's right after Hurricane Katrina - I noticed that my store was out & went on the web & bought up all I could find.

I'd be happy to send you a jar if you think the 2 of us could replicate the recipe.

Contact me.
Janet (aka [e-mail])

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Beverly Turner
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 11:04 PM

I am sooooo disappointed that I cannot find Woody's Cook-In Sauce. I went to 7 grocery stores in Dallas and just found this blog. To bad - there is nothing like it. What am I to do about cooking my brisket for July 4th~

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Beverly
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 11:05 PM

I found Woody's Cook-in Suace but it says Sweet & Sour on the lid. Has anyone used this? I was able to find several jars in Dallas.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 11:12 PM

I'm pretty good at replicating once I've tasted stuff, but I haven't tasted this.....never seen it in Kansas, New Mexico or Wyoming.

Ingredients lists don't help....as in 'spices'. Gotta taste it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 04:39 PM

Back from holidays today!

Thanks to the wonderful and gallant MichaelR, I now have a small quantity of Woody's to use in trying to replicate it. This is not really my field of expertise, but I am going to try my darnedest.

Sorcha, if you are a good product replicator, it would be ever so kind of you to get together with Guest,Janet; procure a sample; and try to recreate it. You would apparently be doing a service for many of us, not just me! I'll happily help defray your expenses; PM me.

I tried the Stubb's while on vacation. It is indeed along the same lines, but not nearly as intense as Woody's. Perhaps if it were reduced to eliminate the extraneous liquid and if some Liquid Smoke were added to bring up the mesquite (or more likely hickory) factor, it would do for that July 4 emergency.

My letter to Reily Foods will go out soon...thanks to all who are contributing to this effort!


Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST, Linda-Barling, Arkansas
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 12:00 AM

Just found your message thread here and was truly upset that Woody's is no longer made..........no wonder I haven't been able to find it recently. My family started using it in the late 50's in California and have continued using it, myself, here in Arkansas for the past 30 years . I'm sending an email to the company address given above.....hope it helps as I can't imagine what I will do without this sauce in my pantry!!

Good luck everyone,
Linda
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Approximate Recipe for Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Ken Graber
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 08:02 PM

My Woody's Cook-in Sauce Recipe

2 Tbsp Water
3 6oz cans Tomato Paste
2 Tbsp Canola Oil (Soybean Oil)
2 Tbsp White Vinegar
2 Tbsp Red Wine Vinegar
3 Tbsp Liquid Hickory Smoke Flavor (Hickory Smoke)
1/2 tsp onion powder (Spices)
1/2 tsp garlic powder (Spices)
1/2 tsp black pepper (Spices)
1/2 tsp paprika (Spices)
1 tsp Salt
1 tsp Dark Molasses (Sugar, Carmel Color)
1 Tbsp Worcestershire Sauce (Soy Sauce, Carmel Color, Anchovies, Onions, Tamarinds, Flavoring, etc)
1/4 tsp Xanthan Gum (thickening agent)

Mix all ingredients and simmer until flavors combine and consistency is right.

This recipe is based on the order ingredients are listed, what I taste, and things found in most kitchens. Real Woody's is a little darker (more carmel color and tastes more strongly of tamarinds).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Tejun Steve
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 11:25 PM

I just got back from searching all the stores in my area...nothing. Several months back I wrote a letter to Reily's Foods and their reply indicated that Katrina had taken them out of production, but to look for the product on the shelf in coming weeks. I did see it for awhile, but I guess the news of them stopping production, as indicated in a previous post, is true. I came across this thread only because I was searching for my missing Woody's.
I will also send an email and will continue to monitor this thread. Thanx all! Tejun (half Texan half Cajun) Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Steve Gardner
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 09:12 PM

I just now ran across this thread. I still have a partial bottle of Woody's, but I've been looking for more for a couple of weeks, and just now learned that it's discontinued. Now I'll have to break the news to famly members all over the country who loved Woody's. Thanks for all the work that several of you have done. I'll write a message to Luzianne, and I'll try the recipe above. It's not surprising that the color is off a bit, because Woody's used some food coloring.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BIG Woody's fan
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:13 AM

Call, mail, and email. It changed New Coke back to Classic Coke.

We NEED our WOODY's

Mail:
Luzianne.com
Reily Foods Company
640 Magazine St.
New Orleans, LA 70130

Phone: [phone]

Fax: [phone]

E-mail:
For general comments and inquiries about Reily Foods, please send e-mail to [e-mail].

Web site:http://www.luzianne.com/talk_to_us.cfm?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,gdr112
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 08:15 PM

God Bless you all. My wife married me because of my Woody's grills. I want more anyway. I will also e-mail Reily Foods.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 12:49 PM

Woody's re-creation experiment #1 took place yesterday afternoon. I ended up with a half-gallon batch of something that's darned good, and it looks like Woody's -- but there's a an upfront flavor in the real product that I can't identify or recreate, so far. If those of you who still have a jar would you take a tiny taste, it's the obvious flavor right upfront that doesn't (to me) quite taste like food. It's a touch bitter and a bit rank -- but I mean this in a good way. What is it?

I worked on my batch immediately after watching a Paula Dean cooking show on various types of barbeque. Got some ideas I wouldn't have thought of from that, including the addition of instant coffee to my knock-off Woody's. That did help, and adding cumin helped even more...but until I can figure out what the missing flavor is, it won't be Woody's.

Does anyone want me to post the ingredients of Batch #1, or should I try to get it perfect before posting a recipe?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 04:57 PM

Buy it on eBay for a small fortune:
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-JARS-WOODYS-COOK-IN-SAUCE-BBQ-BARBECUE-GRILLING-OOP_W0QQitemZ270145450823QQihZ017QQcategoryZ14313QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,jDogg
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 06:18 PM

--- Brenda Macaluso wrote:

> Subject: RE: Please bring back Woody's Cook'in
> Sauce!!
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:51:54 -0400
> From: "Brenda Macaluso"
> To: >
> July 16, 2007
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> Thank you for your message and for your interest in
> our Woody's sauces.
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> We are sorry but we have discontinued the production
> of Woody's sauces.
> Unfortunately we are unable to recommend a store
> that may still have
> some remaining inventory. We thank you for your
> support for this
> product
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> To let you know though, we are hoping that we can
> sell the brand and are
> working on this process.
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> We thank you once again for your loyalty and are
> sorry we are not able
> to be of help to you.
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>
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> Sincerely yours,
>
> Brenda Macaluso
>
> Consumer Affairs Manager
>
> Reily Foods Company
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:31 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Please bring back Woody's Cook'in Sauce!!
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> To whom it may concern at Reily Foods /luzianne.com,
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> There is a market for Woody's Cook'in Sauce.
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> There is a community that is crying out for it.
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> People are trying to cook it themselves:
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> http://www.recipelink.com/mf/14/27393
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> People are considering starting a co-op to produce
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> distribute it if they can get the recipe.
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> Here is a blog that provides some indication of the
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> concern caused by Woody's no longer being available:
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> http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102609&messages=32
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> Here is a google link that shows that people are
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> looking for it and that it is included in many
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> recipes:
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> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=woody%27s+cook%27in+sauce
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> Please bring it back or let someone else bring it
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> back!!!
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> Thanks
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> (my bbq rib recipe depends on Woody's!)
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Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 03:30 PM

Clare, have you got the liquid smoke and tamarind in there? Those seem to me the predominant flavors.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 04:54 PM

Michael, I definitely added Liquid Smoke (two kinds, even), but adding tamarind did not occur to me as it's not on the list of ingredients. That could well be it, if tamarind has the kind of bitter, rank, not-exactly-food taste I am missing...I can't say that I know what it tastes like, except as a sweet paste in Thai dishes.

Now, where do I find tamarind outside the context of steak sauce, worcestershire sauce, and Thai restaurants? Can you get it in any form that isn't sweet? I'm sure if Woody's used tamarind jam, or whatever, they'd say so; I think it would have to be a single-ingredient product (like an extract) to be listed on the ingredients merely as a "flavoring."

Alas, when I tasted knockoff sauce #1 the next day I found I had added way too much cumin; the cumin flavor grew like magic overnight. My sauce is really good, but it's way reminiscent of chili (the dish, not the ingredient) -- so I will definitely be starting over.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 07:45 PM

Tamarind paste is available in Asian markets - not sure whether it's usually sweetened. It's not on Woody's ingredient list, but Guest, Ken Graber mentioned it above. Worth a shot!

Good luck, and keep us posted.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 08:02 PM

Pretty sure what you are missing IS tamarind paste. I have some that open mike sent me from California. I use it in Worch. sauce. The alternate ingredient for it in Worch is lemon juice, but the paste is quite thick.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: JennyO
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:40 AM

I have a jar here of Jeeny's Tamarind Puree, which is a thick paste. All that is listed in the ingredients is tamarind puree (86%), water, salt. It is made in Penang, Malaysia by Jeenhuat Foodstuffs. Dunno if you can get that brand where you are.

I love the sweet and sour flavour of tamarind in food. Never had Woody's sauce though, but it sounds nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 11:50 AM

Thank you, folks! I am off to find tamarind paste...there's a huge Asian community here, so that should not be too difficult a search. Then I need another chunk of time -- n

Tried knockoff sauce #1 on catfish last night. The texture was thicker than Woody's, so it stayed put on the fish instead of running off. This was an effect I liked, but I imagine it was only happening because of the large amount of cumin I used, which would tend to have a thickening effect. The final recipe, with less cumin, will be runnier.

Anyway, we all loved the flavor. My son even liked it better than Woody's. I'd say it's almost as good -- but different, of course. I still want my Woody's! I am fairly sure that -- less some cumin and plus some of the mystery flavor, which I hope will prove to be tamarind -- I am close.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 12:16 PM

It could be which liquid smoke too - many are hickory but some are mesquite. I have even seen cedar.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 01:27 PM

Mmario, I am in luck there -- the Woody's label specifies hickory smoke so I know I am using the right one. Also, this product hasn't changed since the 1950s, when I rather think hickory was the only one available. Finally, Woody's was from the south, where hickory is the preferred smoking wood; I think mesquite is more southwestern.)

Cedar, hmmm? That sounds yummy, especially for fish.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 03:09 PM

Well, I I try to make it, I'm leaving out the cumin. I can't abide that stuff in anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 03:15 PM

So - Claire - how about letting us know what youy actually put into you "almost Woody's"

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 03:18 PM

Sorcha, probably no cumin in the real recipe. I added it because it has a not-quite-food taste quality not entirely unlike what I was looking for in the mystery ingredient. Not the right taste, but an interesting experiment that got me closer to the goal.

I added it last, after I had established that I didn't have whatever ingredient it would take to get it right on the first batch.

I'll keep y'all updated. This is fun!

Sorcha, what kinds of recipes have you reverse-engineered, And what's your process? I'm impressed that you'd take on worcestershire sauce.

C

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 03:19 PM

MMario, not ignoring you, we just cross-posted. I'll bring my notes to work tomorrow and transpose them into this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 04:17 PM

Well, I didn't actually 'take on' Worch. sauce...I had a recipe. Most of what I try to re create are sauces and main dishes that I've eaten in restaurants. I'm seriously interested in this Woody's Stuff. I like sweet BBQ sauce, like Cookies and KC style, but I like the other stuff too.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:01 PM

I'm so glad I found this thread. I'm almost out of my precious Woody's and have been frantically searching any and all grocery stores in Northern CA. I grew up on this stuff in the 60's and have used nothing but Woody's on burgers, steaks and chicken. I can't live without it. I'll be sending my email for sure. I have contacted other companies regarding discontinued products and the answer is always the same. They are sorry to tell me a decision was made to discontinue the product but why can't they tell me the reasons behind the decision? Maybe if the response is big enough, we can change their minds. It worked with CBS's Jericho.

Now if I could get Chili's restaurant to bring back their Baked Potato soup.....

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:05 PM

Hell, Baked Potato Soup shouldn't be difficult. Was there cheese or broccoli in it? Salsa? Bacon? Onion? Onion fried in butter?

Bake potatoes, chunk half of them, coarsely mash the rest. Add some milk or cream, white pepper, and additives above of choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:21 PM

It was yellow rather than white so there must have been cheddar cheese in it. No broccoli. It was soooo creamy. Bacon and onions were added before being served. I tried using the Bear Creek Cheddar Potato soup mix and adding grated cheddar but it still wasn't cheesy enough. I was wondering if adding some of Campbell's Cheddar soup would work better.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:27 PM

Probably not, it has a sort of after taste. OK, next effort:

Bake potatoes, or par boil in as little liquid as possible then grill til WELL done. Mash well, NO chunks. Add some light cream, table cream or half and half....put thru a blender, adding more liquid as needed for the blender. An Option here would be to boil in chicken broth, and add onions nicely browned in real butter to the blender.

Add a GOOD quality Cheddar, shredded or grated, probably about 2 cups for 4 potatoes, AND some finely cubed Velveeta cheese. Re warm just enough to melt cheese.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:29 PM

Mind, I haven't tasted this stuff, so I'm just guessing.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:42 PM

The Velveeta sounds like a good idea. I'll try that next time. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 08:46 PM

If you use Velveeta do NOT add salt!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: LibraryLady
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 11:09 PM

I'm so sad that I can't find any Woody's here in Northern California. I have used it for years and found this site after my supply ran out and I haunted stores all over the place looking for it.
I'll write to the company asking them to start making it or sell it to someone who will. I hope that the numbers help them decide to relaunch the sauce.
Thanks to all of you who have done the previous legwork locating the buyer and those who are trying to recreate the taste.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Makes me sad
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 11:59 AM

Many times a company buys out another and then closes it down because they were just buying out their competition.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 12:10 PM

I doubt it in this case, because Woody's was like nothing else on the market.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 12:17 PM

Gilbert Pattillo [e-mail]    Where can I find woodys cookin sauce in the gainesville,tx area

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 10:27 AM

Finally at home with a few minutes to spare to get down my "first attempt" recipe. Mind you, the cumin is gonna make it not taste like Woody's! But it's what I used, and the sauce is good, so it's what I'm putting down here. I'm still working on the tamarind issue for the second effort.

In the meantime, here's the recipe for the first.

To get the appropriate amounts for the basics, like Mr. Graber I closely followed the order in which the ingredients appear on the Woody's label. (Exception: I've reversed the positions of vinegar and oil. Mine must have less oil than the original -- or possibly I've used more vinegar than Woody's has, but if so, I bet that the vinegar the company used has way higher acidity than what I can get at the store.)

Then, for the flavorings, I concentrated on flavors that were popular mid 20th c., when I first started enjoying Woody's. The only exception is the powdered chipotle...but I figured its clean, smoky heat would be ideal and, besides, I didn't have any cayenne handy!


Claire's Woody's Knockoff #1: Woody's a la Wild Wild West

(note: ounce measurements are by volume, not weight)

18 oz. (2-1/4 c.) water
18 oz. (2-1/4 c.) tomato paste
10 oz. (1-1/4 c.) canola oil
9 oz. (1-1/8 c.) distilled vinegar
9 oz. (1-1/8 c.) cider vinegar
4 oz. (1/2 c.) Stubb's hickory seasoning
3.5 oz. (7/16 c.) Wright's Liquid Smoke, hickory flavor
3 oz. (3/8 c.) cumin
2 oz. (1/4 c.) paprika
2 oz. (1/4 c.) black pepper
2 oz. (1/4 c.) sugar, caramelized to medium-dark brown
1-1/2 oz. (3/16 c.) salt
1 oz. (1/8 c.) instant coffee (I used Medaglia d'Oro)
4 tsp. worcestershire sauce
2 tsp. powdered chipotle pepper
1 tsp. dry mustard
1/2 tsp. allspice
2 bay leaves

Mix all ingredients in a saucepan. Heat slowly, stirring often to remelt the sugar. Simmer for 15 minutes or so.

Makes about a half gallon, so have a big barbeque!

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 09:00 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Jul 07 - 09:37 PM

Guest, Gilbert...you can't BUY it anymore. Didn't you read the thread?

And, Claire, so you DID put cumin in? Is this the final recipe? And what is Stubbs Hickory Seasoning? A salt? Er....what? I also wonder...Worch sauce has curry powder in it....could Woodys?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 10:56 AM

Sorcha -- Yes, I did put the cumin in it and no, this isn't the final recipe. Mmario asked me to post my first try -- what he called the "almost Woody's." Sorry, I thought I made that clear, but I was a bit fuzzybrained yesterday from an all-night HP read-aloud on Friday.

Stubbs hickory seasoning (available here) is a liquid, like the Wright's Liquid Smoke product, but unlike Wright's it actually tastes good on its own. It has many more ingredients than Wright's, soy prominent among them. I used it, frankly, because I had it. But I would again -- its taste is quite compatible with the sauce I'm trying to recreate.

The worcestershire sauce I used (again, because I had it) is Angostura, which is really different from, say, Lea & Perrins. It is very gingery. I am not sure I would use it -- or any other worcestershire sauce -- again in a Woody's re-creation, once I have tamarind available.

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 03:59 PM

Just be sure and post the final recipe!!! (then, tell me how to use it...since it's called 'cook in sauce' I assume you do? It's not for dipping?)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Bryan
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 05:52 PM

Just drove 20 miles and found 15 JARS !!!! Bought the store out.
Recipe calls for High Fructose Corn Syrup

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 07:07 PM

Bryan -- congratulations! Would that I could find such a stash; I've looked everywhere (well, actually, only in northern California and southern Oregon). But on the other hand, even with 15 jars, gotta run out someday, so even were I to get lucky, I'd keep working on the recipe as a "teach a man to fish" exercise.

About the high fructose corn syrup: True, it is listed in the ingredients now, but it wasn't until a few years ago, so I opted not to use the HFCS as it's not so great for our health.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,shopper in Dallas
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 07:57 PM

Any jars still available?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ chef
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 09:37 PM

Big John, Do you have any more? I am interested in making an offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Peggy in Oregon
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 08:04 PM

Hi Claire

I thought it was just me. You are so right about the slight bitter taste at first. Especially if its not cooked. I've been working with
my sister buying as many jars as we can find. I'm also going to try to
make it myself. I'll ask her what she thinks the bitter taste is.
Hmmm...... hot sauce without the heat? That can be bitter, and still tasty.
I've tried their sweet and sour and was not impressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 08:08 PM

Still betting it's tamarind paste. Lemon just will substitute, just barely in Worch Sauce.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Bryan
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 09:55 PM

I couldnt believe the news when I went to the "web" yesterday to order more "Woody's" and heard the news. PANICK !!!   
Family recipe for Brisquit DEMANDS Woody's. Been used for 40 years in all sorts of presentations in a family that spreads from Texas, Colorado, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, and........Massachusetts !
Once I informed my Mother about the situation, I began to get e-mails from the whole family concerning the 15 jars I was able to buy YESTERDAY afternoon !!
I am more than interested in preserving this recipe. If it can be replicated and reproduced....WONDERFULL !! Better yet, if Reily Foods or other concerned parties are willing to "sell" the recipe....I'm in.
I am going to try and buy up as many jars as I can in the meantime.
You guys that are working to replicate the "formula", if you don't have an original sample to work off of...let me know.
On a funnier note...my wife doesn't understand but claims that, because I have 20 Jars of Woody's...our kids now have an inheritance !!!
COOP Idea is great
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Keef
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 01:13 AM

I am working on Faux Woody's also and this thread has been a major help. I just found Tamarind Concentrate at the link below!
Maybe this will help.

http://www.amazon.com/Neeras-Tamarind-Concentrate/dp/B000EIY17Q/ref=sr_1_3/102-6145138-0847311?ie=UTF8&s=gourmet-food&qid=1185340079&sr=1-3

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Takin-a-hit
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 02:01 AM

Had heard a few friends say they were out of Woody's and noticed my store was also out. I still have several jars, but also have a garage full of empties. Saving for something. Mostly the old original jars before they started using the stick on labels. Maybe we can get Ron Paul to lend us a hand, and save Woody's. It seems like a good combo to me...

Subject: bring Woody's back?
From: GUEST,jDogg
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 02:38 AM

I just got another email from Reily foods telling me to "keep the faith"

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JB
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 02:40 PM

I'm glad that I came upon this forum. I have been searching all over Dallas (with no luck!) for some Woody's. I can't believe it is being discontinued! It is essential for my smoked chicken thighs and drumsticks.
This is a tragedy, and I'll definately have to send them an e-mail.
Thanks for discussing it and allowing me to know about it!

JB

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,bonster
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 03:34 PM

Oh dear...I just spent 2 weeks scrounging ALL OVER Dallas and came up with zip..had a funny feeling it was out of production. And now I've discovered so many others in the same boat. WHY O WHY?!?! I've suddenly lost the will to live!!! Been making fajitas with it for 25 years..life in Tejas will neber be the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Dashrs
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 12:34 PM

Who bought Woody's?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,WOODSHM6
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 08:44 PM

IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME WITH THE HOOKUP ON SOME JARS I WOULD BE SO HAPPY.   LIVE NEAR DALLAS, CALLED MY SISTER TODAY IN WEST TEXAS TO LET HER KNOW THE NEWS NOT BEING DISCONTINUED TOO.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,WOODSHM6
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 08:46 PM

BIG JOHN, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF THE 30 JARS YOU HAVE

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Guest_jane
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 05:11 PM

I have everybody in the family searching for Woody's. My daughter just got back from the Kenai peninsula in Alaska, where she was leading music for a youth camp. I almost did cartwheels when she produced from her suitcase one jar of Woody's that she found at an old Safeway store outside Soldotna. Her colleagues thought she was nuts for bringing BBQ sauce home as a gift for dear old mom! We're saving it for a special brisket, and praying that someone will start making it again. I sent it in as a potential new product to Vermont Country Store, who are legendary for finding lost products.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,HCTrouble
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 10:03 PM

Hello fellow Woody's lovers. I sent my email to Luzianne. Did you guys get a response from them? I figure we all got the same response! I got another email from a guy at Reily Foods the other day. It said, "Keep the faith...that chubby lady's not singin' yet! Stay in touch, please." It was from Tom Nall, email address [e-mail]. Please don't give up guys. We gotta get our Woody's back!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: JBryanB
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 12:18 AM

I've checked on-line and haven't found any current patents and/or trademark restrictions concerning "Woody's Cook-in Sauce" "Barbeque Concentrate".
The recipe probably is lost to the company at this point in time however, the name,along with the original recipe would be enough for the generations of us who KNOW the real thing.
I now have 39 jars and my family is SCRAMBLIN' !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 06:17 PM

I haven't gotten a response from them at all -- possibly they're not very happy with me for (A) starting up this thread and (B) trying to duplicate the recipe, not necessarily in that order.

So, those of you who are better connected, please keep us all apprised. Boy, do I wish I had the bucks to buy the brand!

I LOVE the Soldotna story. Keep 'em coming!

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Margaret
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 07:06 PM

Just curious if anyone knows how expensive the brand would be to buy? Probably a couple of million, huh?

Keep it up Claire...you might get the recipe going and Reilly's will end up being the loser.

Margaret

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:01 PM

I wrote to Luzianne and got exactly the same answer that was posted by Gumbotex on 6/28/07. Brenda must be sending out a standardized response. I had asked for specific reasons as to why they cancelled but she didn't give any reasons. I bought some of the Stubbs Smoky Mesquite sauce and have used it on my filet mignon twice now. It doesn't even begin to compare to Woody's. I have lost all my desire to BBQ and I BBQ at least 3 nights a week, every week, all year long. This is depressing!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:06 PM

Try the original Stubb's. The ingredients are closer to Woody's, I think...less sugar than the other Stubb's varieties, anyway. Certainly not a replacement, though!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: curmudgeon
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:21 PM

You folks might try, when writing the company, to politely inform them that you will refrain from purchasing ANY of their products until Woody's is again available, and that you will advise everyone you know, including Mudcatters, to do likewise -- Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:32 AM

Tom, that is magnificent in its simplicity (whaps self in forehead with heel of hand). We should indeed be doing that!

Here is Reily Foods' product page. Out in California as I am, Luzianne coffee and Swans Down cake flour are about the only ones I recognize.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Dick Manning Seattle
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:19 AM

I just went to three different stores that have always carried Woody's and they have none. They don't know what happened. Our family has used this cooking sauce since the 1940's right after the war. It is unique. We found it works best on lamb and beef. I'm e-mailing both Reily Foods and the take over company of Woody's. The longer this product stays out of production, the less likely it will ever come back. Let's keep up the static.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ chef
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 06:19 PM

Try Jardine's smokey mesquite BBQ sauce as an alternative for now. It is a little more sweet than Woodys, but good. Also, try Austin's Own. Both can be purchased at Whole Foods.

My Faux Woodys is rather lengthy, and I will submit later. I achieved some of the bitter taste by adding several tablespoons of jalepeno juice from a jar of sliced jalepenos. I know that wasn't in the ingredients listed on the Woody's label, but could this be the secret in the sauce??? I would be interested to hear your opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 07:40 PM

BBQ Chef's Sauce

Add the following ingredients to a large food processor. Add the liquid smoke, soy sauce lite, as well as the jalapeno juice last to adjust taste as you add. (This is to the best of my memory. Please post your suggestions and improvements!)

2 tbsp water
three 6-ounce cans of tomato paste
2 tbsp canola oil (soybean oil)
2 tbsp white vinegar
2 tbsp red wine vinegar
1/2 to 3/4 white onion (previously processed
4 tsp Mrs. Dash
1/2 tsp Accent
10 tsp paprika
1/2 tsp salt
1 tsp sugar
1 tsp xanthan gum powder
3 tsp tamarind paste
2 tbsp Worcestershire Sauce
2-ounce can of anchovies (with most oil drained out)
4 tsp lemon juice
5 tbsp soy sauce lite ***
8 tbsp liquid smoke (Colgin Hickory Liquid Smoke) ***
8 tsp jalapeno juice only (from Vlasic sliced jalapeno jar) ***

*** Add last to blender and adjust to taste.

Note: I do not know how this keeps in the frig. My husband takes it all to the smoker and smokes every piece of meat in sight immediately. There is not any left!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 07:44 PM

Erm, Canola OR soybean oil? Canola isn't soybean. It's rape seed oil.
Where do I find xanthan gum?
What is 'previously processed onion'? Onion powder?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 08:11 PM

Sorcha, Thank you for the correction. I use Wesson Canola Oil.

You can find xanthan gum at the Whole Foods store on Preston Rd in Dallas, TX. This store has a concierge you can consult. She knows the Woody's story. I do not know if there is a Whole Foods where you live. Try an "advanced" search on Google. If you will let me know where you live, I will help you find it. This ingredient is essential to thicken the sauce.

I run about half (or more) of an average size white onion through the food processor before beginning, and then add it to the mixture in a liquid/processed form. I do not know if this is really necessary; it is just the way I do it. (Note: I drop those little anchovies in one-by-one and they vanish in the mix just fine. The onion chunks would probably do the same. Please let me know :--)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 09:34 PM

OK, thanks....but, the big problem is that I don't know what this stuff (the Real Stuff) actually tastes like. I'd never heard of it before this thread.

Gotcha about the onions. When there is a great plenty of them I use the electric meat grinder, bag and freeze.

Never heard of Whole Foods either. I'm in the extreme SE corner of Wyoming, north of Cheyenne. It isn't very far (West Wise!) to Ft. Collins, Colorado where there is a great health food store.

Substitute thickener? Flour? cornstarch? arrowroot? cream of tartar?

When I put anchovies in Worch. sauce I use filets and smoosh them really well. The sauce is strained before jarring and I never see any chunks of fish either.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:33 PM

About using tamarind: I use it in my Indian food recipes. Look at an Indian grocer or the India section of Whole Foods. (those near big cities- hey, Wyoming, I'm from Black Hills orig.) It comes in a jar by the brand name "Tamcon" Tamarind Concentrate. Tamarind also comes in a compressed block to cut a piece off and steep in hot water like a tea. It tones down the heat and tastes sour/bitter.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 10:52 PM

Sorcha,

I have one partial jar of Woody's left. I am using it to compare taste when creating. It is an unusual and somewhat bitter taste that flavors meat while it cooks. This is entirely different from the taste of a sweeter BBQ sauce that is used when meat is served. I think it will be enlightening to hear how others on this site comment. (We could get magnificent improvements!)

I do not believe that there is a wonderful substitute for a thickener with this sauce. I would suggest calling the health food store in Ft. Collins first. If that store does not have it, then maybe there will be suggestion provided for another store. I will talk to my contact here and help you if I can. Stay tuned! BBQ Chef

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 12:28 AM

Re: xanthan gum and tamarind

The xanthan gum I purchased came from Bob's Red Mill. Go to the site and search under storefinder for stores with these products. (Copy and paste sites below.)

http://www. bobsredmill.com

http://www.bobsredmill.com/maps/storefinder.php

Also, go to Whole Foods online. http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com

There is a succinct Wiki article about Tamarind at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarind

It is my understanding that the tamarind is a tree whose fruit and/or roots are used for Worcestershire sauce and Pickapeppa sauce, as well as fish sauce, drink and candy ingredients.

My middle-aged librarian mind remembers finding it in a liquid concentrate in a jar originating from the fruit, as well as a frozen and more solid state originating from the roots at a Whole Foods store. I used the liquid in the jar. Regretfully, the jar is gone; therefore, I do not have label information.

Blessings from your Christian BBQ Chef

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Bryan
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:16 AM

Just a suggestion Folks,
You are attempting to reproduce a recipe that has been around for over 70 years.....
BEFORE chemicals
It was made in Louisiana in the early 1900's.....
Think BASIC and go from there in your attempts to reproduce this wonderful product.
Low and SLOW cooking with flavors found at the time....think about it.

Heck, the secret may actually be alligator poo or crab roe for all we know.

Have fun

Subject: Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Fan in Australia
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 05:27 AM

Dreadful news about W's sauce being discontinued! I've been a fan for 25 yrs. I've had to ration myself for years as I live in Australia and I only get to buy a bottle when I visit the USA!
I've run out tonight and have no trip on the horizon. I'd definitely buy the recipe! Tessa

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Partridge
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 05:40 AM

MY WOODY`S COOK-IN SAUCE RECIPE

2 tbsp water
2 6oz cans tomato paste
2 tbsp canola oil (soybean oil)
2 tbsp white vinegar
2 tbsp red wine vinegar
3 tbsp liquid hickory smoke flavor (hickory smoke)
1/2 tsp onion powder (spices)
1/2 tsp garlic powder (spices)
1/2 tsp black pepper (spices)
1/2 tsp paprika (spices)
1 tsp salt
1 tsp dark molasses (sugar, carmel color)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce (soy sauce, carmel color, anchovies, onions, tamarinds, flavoring, etc)
1/4 tsp xanthan gum (thickening agent)

Mix all ingredients and simmer until flavors combine and consistency is right.

This recipe is based on the order ingredients are listed (Water, Tomato Paste, Soybean Oil, White Vinegar, Wine Vinegar, Hickory Smoke, Spices, Salt, Sugar, Soy Sauce, Carmel Color, Anchovies, Onions, Tamarinds, Flavoring, Xanthan Gum, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, FD&C Red No 40), what I taste, and things found in most kitchens. Real Woody`s is a little darker (more carmel color & Red no 40) and tastes more strongly of tamarinds.


Found this recipe for a substitue for woody's there are also bottles available on e-bay

love

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 09:58 AM

Partridge, That's too funny -- that recipe is originally from way up top of this thread, from which someone copy pasted it onto one of those recipe sites...and now it's ba-a-ack!

But thank you for the effort. I did a very thorough scrub of the Internet for copycat recipes before I started this thread, and there weren't any...not that there mightn't be some now.

I'm with Bryan on simplicity of ingredients. I wish I had an ancient Woody's bottle, from before corn syrup was on the ingredients list...'cause I bet xanthan gum wasn't, either. I got the right texture with the ingredients I used (no chemicals among 'em), with the black pepper and cumin thickening it up quite nicely. Now, I know the cumin shouldn't be in there, but I'm guessing whatever should be there instead oughta have a similar texture and effect on the sauce. Maybe just more black pepper & paprika. Hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Partridge
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:41 PM

Oops, perhaps I should read threads through before posting.

I wish I had a bottle of it, I would love to try and replicate it - and I've never even tried it! I think your devotion to this sauce has me captivated.

Remember you can still buy it on e-bay.

love

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 03:11 PM

Tamarind paste I have, and can get more of.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 03:22 PM

Woo-hoo, Sorcha! I hope to have time to hunt some up this afternoon, myself. But as usual, it's a bad week.

Now, if only you had any idea what Woody's is supposed to taste like, you'd be all set. If I had a whole jar, I'd send it -- but alas! You know the story...

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:10 PM

has anyone made any sauce yet that is close to woody's??

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:36 PM

i have a jar from when woody's shows --woody's foods inc--po box 12636 San Antonio, texas 78212----contains-- water,tomato paste,soybean oil,white and wine vinegars,hickory smoke,spices,salt,sugar,soy sauce,caramel color,anchovies,onions,tamarinds,flavorings,xanthan gum,potassium sorbate,and less than 0.1% sodium benzoate as preservatives and artifical color

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 03:43 PM

Hello Fred,

It would be interesting to have your comments -- or criticisms -- about the sauce recipe I posted on August 2nd. (See also the follow up conversations for more details.)It is almost there, just a touch milder. I believe that slight additional jalepeno juice would add the spice needed. (My husband and I actually like the version posted.)Note that I took the license to add some Mrs. Dash and Accent. This was a convenience I took to cover some of the "spices" listed by Woody's. It seems to work. The recipe is to the best of my memory, so I may need to make some adjustments the next time I make it. I would appreciate hearing from you. Happy cooking! BBQ Chef

"Spices" and "flavorings" create some elusive wiggle room in the list, don't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 03:54 PM

Claire -

Where are you in Northern California? I'm in the Palo Alto area & have a stash of Woody's I'd be willing to share in recreating the recipe (I bought 4 cases just after Katrina).

Contact me offline at [e-mail]

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:10 PM

Janet, Sounds like Sorcha might still need some. BBQ Chef

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:25 PM

I'll e mail Janet!!!! This is turning into a Rare Challenge!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:27 PM

I found 4 oz. of xanthan gum for $3.06 at this website:

http://www.barryfarm.com/thickeners.htm

They have lots of other cooking products, too.

I also found it on Amazon.com, but at a higher price and a larger quantity. It's also available at the Country Sun grocery store in Palo Alto CA.

I found tamarind paste at an Indian grocery store on El Camino in Santa Clara CA (near Lawrence Expressway).

For what it's worth, my jars of Woody's list tamarinds as one of the ingredients. Also if you look at the ingredients on the Lea & Perrins Worchestershire Sauce bottle, it lists several of the same ingredients that are listed on the Woody's bottle.

Finally, in today's San Jose Mercury (8/4/07 - House & Home section, last page - in an article about organic alternatives to Roundup for killing weeds) there was an article that talked about "pickling vinegar" that's a stronger solution than regular vinegar (10% to 20% vs. 5% for the regular stuff).

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:44 PM

Sorcha, I am fascinated watching this "Rare Challenge" unfold, too! Your friendly BBQ Chef

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:55 PM

More to keep in mind on recreating the recipe. The Food & Drug Administration requires that ingredients be listed in the order they are present in a product ... so if water is the first ingredient listed and the recipe calls for 12 oz. of tomato paste, then there must be at least 12 oz. of water in the recipe.

Since water is the first ingredient in Woody's, maybe the recipe is cooked at a really, really low heat for a long time to reduce the sauce.

Also, I found a worchestershire sauce recipe on the web and am reproducing it here - I've noting the ingredients that aren't listed on the Woody's label:

Worcestershire Sauce Recipe Ingredients:

2 cups malt vinegar
1/2 cup water
1/2 cup molasses
1/4 cup tamarind pulp
1 anchovy, crushed
2 cloves garlic, crushed
1 onion, chopped
dash of Salt

Unverified Ingredients that may be in it (as �spices�)
1/2 cup dark soy sauce
3 Tbls. yellow mustard seeds
1 tsp. peppercorns
1/2 tsp. curry powder
1/2 tsp. red pepper flakes
1 1-inch long cinnamon stick
1 tsp. whole cloves
1/2 tsp. cardamon pods
1 1/4 -inch-thick slice of ginger

Directions:

Place the onion, garlic, mustard seeds, red pepper flakes, peppercorns, ginger, cinnamon, cloves and the cardamon on a large piece of cheesecloth and tie into a little bundle.

In a large saucepan, combine the spice bundle with the vinegar, molasses, soy sauce, and the tamarind. Bring to a boil, lower the heat and let simmer for 45 minutes.

Mix together the salt, curry powder, anchovy and the water. Add to the liquid in the saucepan. Remove from the heat. Pour the contents of the saucepan (including the spice bundle) into a stainless or glass container. Cover tightly and place in the refrigerator for two weeks, mixing from time to time and squeezing the spice bundle. After the two weeks, remove the spice bundle and bottle the sauce. Keep in the refrigerator and shake well before using.

The present-day "Original and Genuine Worcestershire", which still bears the names of its inventors (Lea & Perrins) is made of malt vinegar, molasses, sugar, shallot, garlic, tamarind, clove, anchovy essence and meat extract. [According to Larousse Gastronomique]

Good Luck to all of us ...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Bryan
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:19 PM

I agree about the "low and slow" approach. Remember, Woody's is a concentrate...meant to be further reduced depending on the application. I'm wondering if some of bthe darkened color may come from the "base" being a "rue" ??.

Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 12:14 AM

I think that word should be 'roux'....fat and flour mixture. Not rue, which is an herb or means to be sorry for.

Here is my recipe for Worch. Sauce:

Worcestershire Sauce

1 med. onion, chopped
3 Tablespoons (almost 4 oz.) whole mustard seed
1/2 teaspoon (not very much) crushed red pepper (hot)
2 cloves garlic, crushed or minced
1/2 teaspoon minced fresh ginger
1" ( 2.5 cm) cinnamon bark
1 teaspoon whole cloves
1/2 teaspoon whole cardamom, or 2 pinches of ground
Simmer the above in:
2 cups (16 oz) vinegar, 4 oz dark molasses, 4 oz tamarind paste OR lemon juice and 4 oz soy sauce. Simmer for about 10 minutes. Add:
3 Tablespoons salt
1/2 teaspoon curry powder
1 anchovy, mashed or 1 Tablespoon anchovy paste
4 oz water
(Original recipe says to put all the spices in a squeeze bag, but I don't bother)
Simmer all about 30 minutes. Then add 4 oz of carmelized granulated sugar.

To carmelize sugar: Measure sugar into small HEAVY (cast iron) sauce pan. Set heat at med. high. Sugar will soon start to melt......stir and shake until all the sugar is melted and ALMOST burnt. Remove from heat immediately!! It will burn in a flash!

Add the carmelized sugar to the soy/spice mix. Stand back as you pour--it will steam and foam up.

Let cool and pour all into a large jar. Date it. Shake daily for 2 weeks. Strain out the large stuff. Bottle and store in fridge. Keeps forever. Makes about 32 oz.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:14 AM

QUOTE
"pickling vinegar" that's a stronger solution than regular vinegar
UNQUOTE

You can also get 'vinegar concentrate' that is even stronger - and diluted to make 'home vinegar' - that is basically pure acetic acid diluted with water.

But you certainly don't want 'fuming' or 100% acetic acid, it's REALLY nasty... and 'industrial'... made from a waste byproduct of sertain industries.

I have before me "Concentrated Harvey's Essence of Imitation Vinegar - Table use - 1 part to 5 parts water - pickling use - add a little less water. A Qld product."

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:11 PM

Did you see what 5 jars of Woody's sold for on E-Bay? $255 plus shipping!!


http://cgi.ebay.com/5-JARS-WOODYS-COOK-IN-SAUCE-BBQ-BARBECUE-GRILLING-OOP_W0QQitemZ270150622266QQihZ017QQcategoryZ14313QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That's over $25 per jar ... my 48 jars are worth a small fortune!

I cooked up a batch of "faux Woody's" yesterday. The color was good, but it turned out too sweet. I think I need something that causes more of a "pucker" - probably either cidar vinegar instead of regular or some pickling spices or both.

I also used some hot sauce (Whole Foods Organic Hot Sauce) & that really helped.

But it's still not Woody's.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Bryan
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 05:26 PM

WOW !! That comes to$51.25 per jar..PLUS SHIPPING. Im w/you Janet,
Ive got 40 jars

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,peace_lis
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 01:55 PM

Hey guys -- here's what i found out today ~ Maybe there's still some hope for Woody's ~~ send a message to this guy if you can -- he's very nice & he MIGHT be able to help us. Thx, Lis - Mesquite TX

From: Lisa
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:03 PM
To: Tom Nall
Subject: Woody's

Hello -

I'm just sick that Woody's Cook In Sauce is not available anymore.
Could your company PLEAAAASE reconsider & start manufacturing & selling it again???? It makes THE BEST BBQ in the world!!! & it's soooo versatile & affordable.

What can we do to bring back this wonderful item?????
Please don't tell me that it's gone forever.

PLEASE forward this to your 'powers that be' ---- We LOVED Woody's & REALLLLY want to purchase it again!!!

Have you checked out the online link about it?
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=102609&messages=77#2080296
Our family isn't alone in our love & desire for this product.

Thank you & PLEASE bring back Woody's!
Lisa

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From: Tom Nall [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:05 PM
To: Lisa
Cc: Marc "Blue" Nall
Subject: RE: Woody's

Lisa, I am an employee of Reily Foods and am attempting to do something with Woody's. Keep your fingers crossed, and I know the Good Lord has other things to do, but maybe a prayer would be in order. We should know something this week….tomorrow is a big day for us. I'll keep you posted.
Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 02:11 PM

That is very exciting, Lisa -- I'll be on the edge of my seat!

I do have the tamarind concentrate now -- thanks for the tip about Whole Foods -- and plan to try again soon, but this is shaping up to be a very hectic week for me, so I doubt I will make any progress before we all find out what Tom is talking about.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 02:19 PM

Forgot to thank Guest,fred for his older ingredients list. That's very helpful!

C

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 04:25 PM

________________________________________
I received the following reply from Reily Foods:

August 3, 2007

Dear Manning:

Thank you for your email and for your interest in Woody's Cook-In Sauce.

We are sorry but we have discontinued the production of Woody's Cook-In Sauce. As we stopped production of this item quite a while ago I am unable to recommend a store that may still have some remaining inventory.

To let you know though, we are hoping that we can sell the brand and are working on this process.

We thank you for your support for this product and hope you will try and enjoy some of our other fine products manufactured by Reily Foods Company. Please visit our web site www.luzianne.com.

Thank you for your patronage to Woody's and for your interest in Reily Foods products.

Sincerely,
Sherry Stewart
Reily Foods Company

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Please remember to use a consistent name when you post. Messages with the "from" space blank, risk being deleted.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 11:10 AM

Ok, OK....so I finally put some jars on E-Bay

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Mike G
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 12:14 AM

WHAT A NIGHT! One I won't soon forget. I had just finished gnawing on some smoked ribs, slathered with Woody's Sweet 'n Sour Sauce. I was down in the basement earlier to bring up a fresh jar of Woody's and noticed that I only had three left. So I figured I better get online and order a case from Reily Foods. I've been buying it by the case directly from the company for a few years now because it's been hard to find in here in Richmond. It would cost me $25 for a case of 12, plus shipping.

Well, when I got to their Website and found out that they'd discontinued it, my heart just sank. My wife came in from the other room to see what I was moaning so loud about. I can't make my famous ribs without it. They just won't be the same.

I know it's selfish, but one thing I had wondered about after Katrina was whether I'd be able to get my precious sauce anymore. Looks like my fears have been realized, though my worries pale compared to those poor folks down there.

So anyway, I started Googlin' and found you folks and I'm glad I did. We can commiserate. And you can bet that I'll be contacting Reily foods tomorrow. I used to order from them by phone and they were always really nice folks to talk to.

Good luck to us all. Bring back Woody's, PLEASE!!!    MG

Subject: We could pool in & have a goodchef duplicate it!
From: GUEST,Judd in Dallas
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 01:33 AM

I have visited everyone grocery store in the Dallas area... So sad, Costco quit selling my favorite wine last month, and now my only BBQ sauce is gone... What next... :) Anyway, I am going to work with some people to create the Woody's recipe. Yeah, the word "spices" in the ingredients makes it a bit complicated...

I did buy some Stubb's BBQ to give it a try, I feel the pain! We love some good Woodys!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,BBQ Chef
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 08:51 PM

Judd in Dallas,

Try Jardine's smokey mesquite BBQ sauce as an alternative for now. It is somewhat sweeter than Woodys, but close. Also, try Austin's Own. Both can be purchased at Whole Foods on Preston Rd.

BBQ Chef in Dallas

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 11:39 PM

Ya'll just keep saying Whole Foods. I don't HAVE one of those! And as far as I know there isn't one within driving distance either.

I put a pork shoulder roast in the slow cooker today with a half bottle of Wrights Hickory smoke, garlic pwdr and onion pwdr. Sauce optional. All 8 lbs of it are gone.

So, if I had Woody's available I might need to cook 20 lbs of meat! LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 10:39 AM

hey tom nall any word yet ?? I have used woody's for a good 40 years and reily foods has really messed up my bbq world. I am from ca. napa valley to be exact.and I BBQ several times a week in the summer and at least once a week in rain in the winter . my normal supply is 8 to 12 jars in the house at all times. I was really cought off guard when when they quit making it this time . Reily foods has a good following for a product that I have never seen advertised when you go to the super market one sees all that junk with all the fake sugar as the second item on the label I have tried some of them since I ran out of woody's and the BBq world sucks it is all to sweet. we had a famly reunion at our house in july 100 people aprox.and I cooked my usual a six burner BBQ full of chicken everyone asked why I changed the sauce I used. they all said I always had the best BBQed chicken they ever had. so if it gets back in stock I will take a few cases.they could start a woody's club and make it once or twice a year and everyone stocks up or when you have enough pre-sold run it??just thinking

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,kate
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 01:03 PM

I too am lamenting the loss of Woody's. We are in SW Florida and have used Woody's all of our lives. I have emailed the company and do have one clean empty jar on the shelf!
Thanks for all of your efforts.
Did the final recipie get posted from Claire?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 05:39 PM

No, not yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 08:36 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am in SHOCK! There are 2 grocery stores here. I usually shop at Store A, but they don't carry goldfish food so I went to Store B. There, on the shelf, were SEVEN JARS of Woody's!!

The girl stocking that aisle went and looked for me, said there were no more in the back room, but that she'd order a case for me. I said good luck. We'll see if the Shurfine/Affiliated food warehouse has any left.

Yes, I bought them all, so no one needs to send me a jar. As soon as I have time I shall begin to try to replicate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 08:45 PM

Been BBQ ing Chicken with Woodys for close to 45 years. It's the classic.
That's a product that's being mis managed. It needs better caretakers.

Anyone find out what's up let us know.

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 09:41 PM

Congratulations, Sorcha. Sure hope you like the taste. If not, I guess you can sell them on E-Bay.

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 02:33 AM

All right, dammit. I think some of you folks with the Woody's stashes ought to share!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 09:06 AM

I can tell you right now that one of the 'spices' is hot, red chile powder. NOT 'chile mix'...just ground red chile. I'm guessing cayenne.

I'll give this a shot either Sat or Sun....And, tamarind isn't listed on the bottles I just bought.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 11:21 AM

Sorcha, what does the very last line on your bottle read - is it just "Reily Foods Co., New Orleans, LA 70130" or "Distributed by Reily Foods Co., New Orleans, LA 70130" or something else?

I found an old, empty bottle that I was using to store something in that didn't say "distributed by" and compared it to a recent bottle.

Both of them list tamarinds and xanthan gum as ingredients, but my older bottle (the one that just says "Reily Foods") doesn't contain corn syrup. The older bottle also specifies "white and wine vinegars (vs. just "vinegar" on the newer one) and "hickory smoke" (vs. "liquid hickory smoke" on the newer one).

The older bottle also lists "spices" before the "hickory smoke", while the newer bottle lists "liquid hickory smoke" and then "spices".

Actually, as I compare the ingredients list, there's a lot more "junk" in the newer recipe - instead of soy sauce there's hydrolyzed soy protein and some other stuff.

I never noticed a difference in the taste, though, so the differences must be subtle.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 04:38 PM

It says Distributed by Reilly. In order, the ingredients are--
Water,tomato paste, soybean oil, vinegar,spices, liq. hickory smoke, high fructose corn sirup, salt, garlic powder, sugar, flavoring, hydrolized soy protien, potassium sorbate as a preservative, caramel colour, sodium benzoate as a preservative, xanthan gum and red 40.

Isn't red 40 now outlawed? Carcinogen?
What the hell is the difference between spices and flavourings?
I can tell there is more oil than you might think--it pools on top
of the sauce.


If we leave out the preservatives, I bet this stuff would pressure can (it MIGHT) water bath because of the tomato and vinegar, but I'd not trust it) for, oh, say, 10 mins. Shouldn't take long.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 07:19 PM

So, Sorcha, do you like it?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 07:24 PM

I think so...haven't tried it to actually cook with yet. Just dipped my finger in the jar. Mostly, I tend to prefer a slightly sweeter bbq sauce, but I'll cook with it before I decide.

And, I'll still try my hand at recreating it for the rest of you even if I don't care for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 08:51 PM

Sorcha - what do you mean it might "pressure can water bath"? I've never heard that term before.

I think you're absolutely right about the cayenne pepper ... it would make sense that there'd be a tabasco-like ingredient given that it's from New Orleans.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:42 PM

Pressure can...sorry I forgot to delete the Water from that phrase. It's a pressure canner, which is NOT a water bath canner, sorry, my mistake.

A pressure canner operates under pressure, 5, 10 or 15 lbs of pressure under the sealed lid. Takes a while. But after it pressures up, I'd think 10 mins should be enough for Woody's. IF it doesn' burst the seals.

A 'water bath' canner is a whole nother beast...it's just a big pan of boiling water that will cover the jars inside.

Straight pressure canner would be safer than just a water bath, which is used ONLY for very high acidic foods. Not sure yet that the Woody's meets the criteria for a water bath.

Let me get back to you on this after Sat or Sun, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 12:05 AM

Bump.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 03:57 PM

Second try on recipe, getting closer:

6 oz. water
6 oz. tomato paste
1/2 cup vegetable oil (most vegetable oils are soybean)
1/3 cup red wine vinegar (5% or "regular" acidity)
1/3 cup white vinegar (7.1% acidity)
1 oz. anchovy paste
3 TBLS. soy sauce
2.5 TBLS. Lea & Perrin Worchestershire sauce
2 TBLS. Wright's liquid hickory smoke
2 TBLS. McCormick pickling spices (in an emptied tea bag to keep them out of the finished product)
1.5 TBLS fine ground black pepper
2 teas. cayenne pepper
1 teas. paprika
1/2 teas. onion powder
1/2 teas. garlic powder
1/2 teas. dry mustard
1/4 teas. salt
1/4 teas. xanthan gum
dash of cinnamon

Cover and cook in crockpot on lowest setting for about 6 hours - will taste too vinegary until it cools.

This has about the right amount of mouth "dryness" and pepper-iness but still not quite the right overall taste. Pretty good substitute, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 04:04 PM

Poor proofreading on my part... I forgot to list the tamarinds. So ignore the previous post & try this instead:

6 oz. water
6 oz. tomato paste
1/2 cup vegetable oil (most vegetable oils are soybean)
1/3 cup red wine vinegar (5% or "regular" acidity)
1/3 cup white vinegar (7.1% acidity)
1 oz. anchovy paste
3 TBLS. soy sauce
2.5 TBLS. Lea & Perrin Worchestershire sauce
2 TBLS. Wright's liquid hickory smoke
2 TBLS. McCormick pickling spices (in an emptied tea bag to keep them out of the finished product)
1.5 TBLS fine ground black pepper
1 heaping TBLS. tamarind paste
2 teas. cayenne pepper
1 teas. paprika
1/2 teas. onion powder
1/2 teas. garlic powder
1/2 teas. dry mustard
1/4 teas. salt
1/4 teas. xanthan gum
dash of cinnamon

Cover and cook in crockpot on lowest setting for about 6 hours - will taste too vinegary until it cools.

This has about the right amount of mouth "dryness" and pepper-iness but still not quite the right overall taste. Pretty good substitute, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 10:17 PM

Anyone heard from "Ned" @ Reily foods yet? Awaiting the possible good news.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 08:20 AM

I have a batch in the slow cooker....I 'whoops-ed' and started out with too much tomato paste...I'm going to try to fix that with some A 1 steak sauce today. Other than that it's pretty darn close. I'll let you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,MikeG
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:02 PM

Talked with a nice, friendly lady named Brenda in public relations with Reily Foods last week. The discontinuation of Woody's didn't have anything to do with Katrina. In fact, she said that the stuff isn't even made there. I didn't get many details except that they thought that they had the brand and recipe sold to someone a few months ago and had hoped that there wouldn't be any interruption, but that fell through. But it sounded like they might have another interested party now, so maybe all's not lost! Let's hope not.

I told Brenda how disappointed I was about the whole thing and she said she totally understood— that a lot of folks there were Woody's fans too.

Keep the faith!   MikeG

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 11:07 PM

Here is what I came up with, and my notes on it: (Makes about 4 1/2-5 pints as is)

SORCHA'S FAUX WOOD'S

        
2—12 oz cans of tomato paste (one can too many, possibly a 12 oz and one of the smaller
        ones? 4 oz?)
12 oz water—just a tad too much for the paste, but if I cut the pasted I'd cut this back to
        maybe 4-6 oz)
1 cup + 2 Tbsp (more or less) oil
½ cup (4 oz) white balsamic vinegar
½ cup reg. White vinegar
½ cup red wine vinegar
6 Tbsp soy sauce
6 Tbsp Worchestershire sauce
1-2 oz tin anchovy filets with the oil
2-3 bay leaves
1 cup lemon juice
½ Tbsp celery seed POWDER—NOT celery salt. Grind seed in a spice grinder, etc
1 Tbsp Hickory smoked salt
1 Tbsp jalepeno juice
2 Tbsp good paprika
¼ ( maybe ½) cup tamarind paste
3.5 fl. oz bottle of liquid smoke, +6 Tbsp
        There is a LOT of liquid smoke in this stuff
2-4 Tbsp cayenne pepper
½ Tbsp white pepper
1 Tbsp onion powder
2 Tbsp garlic powder
1 Tbsp Colemans dry mustard
2 Tbsp brown sugar (I'd probably leave this out next time)
¼ cup granulated white sugar, caramelized til dark (think this is pretty important)
4 fl. oz bottle of browning sauce (not sure it really needs this…I was trying to fix the
        'too much tomato flavour'
½ bottle A-1 Sauce….(not sure it really needs this, trying to fix too much tomato)
2-4 Tbsp Old Westport Cajun spice mix…but any brand would probably do
        (but NOT blacked fish seasoning)
2 tsp Mesquite POWDER—NOT salt

I put most of this stuff in my slow cooker, and cooked it about 6 hrs on low, then started tasting and adding….this is what I ended up with. It's awful damn close….

The primary smell in Woody's is liquid smoke, primary first flavour is 'sour'. I am almost tempted to add some smashed, strained sour green grapes to my mix to get it sour enough, but the above will work.

I didn't have any xanthan gum, so I just kept simmering it down in the slow cooker.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 11:59 AM

Sorcha, I can't wait to try your recipe -- but I'll probably have to put off the experiment a little while even so, life being life & all.

It looks as though a lot of my guesses align with yours (which makes me feel rather proud of myself for a first-timer). One major difference though, so I just want to be sure: You used no black pepper at all? That surprises me 'cause I used a ton of it, but perhaps those little black flecks in the sauce are one of your other ingredients I haven't used (like mesquite powder, which I don't think I've ever seen).

Thank you for your efforts!

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 03:19 PM

No, no black, just white...but I'll bet the specks are black pepper. Mesquite powder (Olde Westport Spice Company again..not sure about the final E) and it's an off white. Westport does do mail order.

I also had another thought....what if we used several bottles of Tobasco original sauce in place of some of the vinegar and cayenne?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 03:22 PM

That could work...how about that Chipotle tabasco? But I think your vinegar amounts are just about right (I would, wouldn't I, since I used just as much).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 03:40 PM

Never seen chipotle Tobasco..we have original and green. I did put chipotle in tho....I said so? Hell, I can't remember without looking now! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 03:42 PM

Nope...dang. I know I put in about 2 Tbsp. mainly for the smoke flavour. Wonder what else I forgot to list????

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 03:44 PM

Chipotle Tabasco is yummy...not nearly as hot as Tabasco, but thus better for, say, splashing on a burrito.

Also not as vinegary, so it wouldn't really do as a replacement for any of the vinegar in your recipe, but it would add another smoky dimension.

Is white balsamic vinegar as sweet as dark? I've never bought it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 05:09 PM

Damnfiknow. I just used it. It is clear when you buy it, but it will oxidize after opening. Still not as dark as the reg. I think it is a bit milder, and not as sweet.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 08:01 PM

Sorcha -- ¼ cup granulated white sugar, caramelized til dark

Do you melt the sugar in water, or by itself?

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:06 PM

Michael, I used caramelized sugar in mine too, and I didn't add water...just used a very heavy pan and very slow fire. It takes forever with water but is easier; goes faster without water, but takes better control to avoid burning.

C

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:12 PM

Horrors! I never use water to carmelize sugar! Just put it in a cast iron skillet, heat on med to med low, and shake til it starts to melt. (Ok, stir if you have to). Once it starts melting it goes really fast and you have to watch it like a hawk if you don't want it to burn.

For this recipe, dark brown is best. Get it off the heat immediately, and add some of your hot liquid to the sugar, stir then pour in the big pot. Be careful when you add the liquid to the sugar...it will spit.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 09:54 PM

OK...we ate some of my Faux Woody's tonight for supper, on country style pork ribs. (Lots of meat, not the bony things). I basted them, let it stand about 2 hours, cooked on the grill on indirect heat about 3 hrs. They were done, but getting too brown (almost burnt) on the outside so I took them off the grill, put in pan, put in oven on 100F covered with foil for about another hour.

Still not really 'falling apart done' but good. The sauce didn't soak into the meat as much as I would have liked. (Yet MORE oil in the sauce?)

And, a LOT of the chile hot does cook out.

Next Mission--use some of the real Woody's that I bought the same way and see what happens then.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 12:42 PM

I've found that it's better to pre-cook ribs and chicken in the oven. For ribs, I sprinkle them with spice rub, then wrap them in a foil packet, pour in 1/3 bottle of beer, and seal. Cook at 250 for two hours, then slather with souce and finish on the grill. That way they will be falling-off-the-bone tender, but still have a good crunchy exterior.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 01:57 PM

That's what I plan to try next time, michael.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 11:46 AM

Sorcha -
I'm confused about your recipe. It looks like you've added ingredients that aren't on the Woody's bottle (lemon juice) and you're suggesting that the order of ingredients would be

16 oz. Tomato paste
12 oz. (1.5 cups) Vinegar
8 oz. plus 2 TBLS. Oil
8 oz. lemon juice
6 - 12 oz. Water

That's quite different from the order on the jar, which is:

Water
Tomato paste
oil
vinegar

Since the FDA requires ingredients to be listed in "descending" order, your proportions would seem wrong (not enough water, too much vinegar, etc.). Was that the only way you could duplicate the flavor?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 12:08 PM

Janet,

Not speaking for Sorcha, but when I tried to duplicate it I had to use much more vinegar than oil to get the acid balance right, just like Sorcha. My contention is that whatever vinegar is in Woody's, it's got much higher acidity than what you and I can get in the supermarket. Slow cooking would of course concentrate the acidity by cooking off some of the water in the vinegar. Slow cooking would NOT decrease the oil -- so the proportions you'd end up with are more like what's listed on the bottle.

Make sense?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 03:19 PM

I used too much tomato paste...like the notes say. I also used less water because I had NO xanthan gum to thicken it with. Next time LESS tomato paste, and prob an equal amount of water to the paste.

What Claire said about the vinegar.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 03:39 PM

Yup, the acidity makes sense.

What about the lemon juice? Is that to add acidity, too?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,sauce cloning
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 03:50 PM

We once had a chicken finger place that had a brown sauce that everyone loved. I made it from time to time and over time I got pretty close to the orginal. The guy I worked for wanted me to copy the orginal and after three taste test he picked mine each time. After that he still thought I tricked him so I bought him a bottle of theirs and gave it to him and never made it for the business again.

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Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 06:45 PM

Yes...lemon juice is for acidity. I just got tired of adding vinegar! Thought maybe the lemon was included in 'spices'. Lot of leeway there with that word.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 06:58 PM

Not to mention "flavorings"!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 02:20 AM

Today I got my hands on some Hickory and Mesquite flavored liquid smoke - 2 different bottles with the different flavors. They were on sale so it might be that they are going to disappear as well.

I will attempt my own duplication experiment soon. The carmalising of the sugar seems the hardest part - and the most vital. The sauce must not burn!

Like everyone else, here is what I got: August 20, 2007



Dear Mr.(Let's not go there on a Public board, shall we)?:



Thank you for your email and for your interest in Woody's Cook-In Sauce.



We are sorry but we have discontinued the production of Woody's Cook-In Sauce. As we stopped production of this item quite a while ago I am unable to recommend a store that may still have some remaining inventory.



To let you know though, we are hoping that we can sell the brand and are working on this process.



We thank you for your support for this product and hope you will try and enjoy some of our other fine products manufactured by Reily Foods Company. Please visit our web site www.luzianne.com.

Sorry my *##!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 08:01 AM

Carmelizing sugar isn't difficult, you just have to stand over it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:41 AM

...and use a heavy enough, flat enough pan to distribute the heat evenly. I didn't have any trouble with my caramelization either. You should know that when you pour the molten, caramelized sugar into the cooler simmering sauce ('cause sugar melts at a way higher temperature than that at which water boils), it may harden into a glasslike lump. Don't fret. It will remelt as it sits there immersed in hot liquid. Just stir occasionally 'til it does, to encourage the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 08:02 PM

Thanks you two! I caramelized 1/4 cup of sugar for my experimental batch which I started today. No, it wasn't too difficult, and it was a good way to put my Dad's old cast iron camping pan to use. Now, I may have to take a hammer and chisel to clean it!


My recipe is a little simpler than Sorcha's. I'm thinking Louisana of 60 or 70 years ago. What would they have used?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 09:30 PM

No chisel....just soak it in hot water, or bring water to a boil and let cool in it. And if you put some of the hot liquid sauce into the sugar in the skillet and stir well, THEN add the carmelized mix to the larger pot, it won't solidify.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:01 PM

Thanks Sorcha!

Actually, I filled the pan with water and set it in the sink while I wrote my previous post. By the time I got back to it, the sugar had simply dissolved!

I will report how tonight's dinner is with the steak soaked in "Boody's" - as my GF refers to "Bill's Woody's"! She was surprised to see what was happening in our kitchen when she came home tonight.... I believe she thinks I've become a mad food scientist!

This, coming from a gal who works for Williams-Sonoma!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 11:46 PM

San Francisco Bill's first Woody's recipe

Yield: 3 Pints, plus enough for tonight's steak. It was delicious, and very, VERY close to the taste we are used to:

8 oz Tomato Sauce
12 oz Tomato Paste
6 oz water
1 cup Canola Oil
½ cup White Vinegar
½ cup Apple Cider Vinegar
6 Tbsp soy sauce
6 Tbsp Worcestershire sauce
1- 2 oz anchovy fillets - finely chopped - with the oil
1 - cup fresh squeezed lemon juice
2 Tbsp Paprika
1 Tbsp Onion Power
2 Tbsp Garlic Powder
1 Tbsp Coleman's dry Mustard
2 Tsp Mesquite seasoning
1 Tbsp Red Tabasco
4 Tbsp Hickory Liquid Smoke - Concentrated
4 Tbsp Mesquite Liquid Smoke - Concentrated
2 Tbsp Black Ground Pepper
¼ cup white granulated sugar caramelized (It was pretty easy)!
I added the following, but it may have taken me farther from the true Woody's taste:
2 Tbsp McCormick Cajun Seasoning

This went into the slow cooker for 6 hours on Low, stirring once an hour or two.

Of course, I took Sorcha's recipe and ran with it. I'm thinking that simpler is better. Woody's was originally formulated years ago, so it's probably not too complicated. I also just noticed that the lid on my last Woody's jar boasts "Pure Hickory Smoke Flavored", so perhaps the Mesquite flavors aren't needed.

I think this experiment yielded something really close to Woody's. The GF says it's more concentrated, with a tad more 'zing' than the Woody's in the bottle, but "really close". After dinner, she said the taste was "spot on".

With the final cooked steak, the difference wasn't noticable. Even the aftertaste was the same. Got it! (I think).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 02:35 PM

Cool! I had the same thought about too many ingredients but it was my first try. Kept adding things trying to get closer. Next time I'll leave a bunch of stuff out. I think you might need some more cayenne (or other red chile) powder.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 03:50 PM

Thanks Sorcha! In doing some snooping around, one chap was selling the sauce on EBay and claimed the product had been around for almost 100 years. I don't know where that came from, but if true, that would suggest that it's quite a simple and straightforward recipe. Even mine is probably too complicated. As for more pepper, the GF mentioned that my batch was tad hotter than the original. I'll report further as my pints age a bit in the fridge.

The aftertaste was exactly like the original, and the stain on the cutting board was just a bit lighter than Woody's left - probably due to the lack of food color. My bottles are just a shade lighter in color than the original.

I wonder what the former makers of Woody's think of all this? You know they're watching....

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:06 PM

I'd have to say I don't think it's all that hot, Scoville unit-wise.

I think more of the heat comes from black pepper, less from cayenne. I also think it has a ton of paprika, possibly smoked paprika, contributing to that red color.

Oh, for 4 hours of kitchen time to try again! Since the first batch I have been inundated with relative visits (though that was fun too), choir solos, ranch projects, and this weekend I'll be working too. Darn! At least Labor Day weekend looks promising.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:12 PM

Possibly black pepper, and smoked paprika is a good guess too. I thought it was pretty 'warm' when raw, but a lot of the picante did cook out.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 10:49 PM

Well, it turns out I have to put my batch of sauce where my mouth is! I was chatting with a San Francisco Firefighter today and, to make a long story short, my faux Woody's is going to be seasoning dinner at a San Francisco Firehouse this weekend. It's a big house too. About 12 to 14 Firefighters there - all hungry - and knowing their food. And they know Woody's.

A tougher group of food critics you will not meet! Wish me luck! (I'll need it! I know this crew, and they will not hesitate to point out ANY flaw - real or not). But if it passes muster, we will all know this recipe is on the right track.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 12:26 AM

Aargh! In doing a little more checking, it seems that the luzianne site - owner of the now defunct Woody's product - still has this recipe listed on their site: http://www.luzianne.com/recipe_details.cfm?RecipeID=87&Category=Main%5FDishes&RecipeList=88,16,87,185,247,226,40,216,194,334,55,151,124,86,83,186,117,225,79,57,47,176,111,61,224,122,178,115,60,118,42,50,212,85,69,227,51,199,183,244,249,248,13,253,250,254,251,255,252,234,233,232,240,241,242,238,256,239,235,236,237,38,41,223,243,272,45,19,89,184,190,195,149,121,113,14,116,67,56,123,188,43,12,191,150,44,37,39,36,90,192,229,182,196,215,193,197,59,49,120,222,114,177,221,129,132,128,133,175,173,174,119,84,246,231,181,46&

A delicious short rib recipe with Woody's Cook-In Sauce as the central ingrident!

How quickly it disappears will tell us how closely they are watching, won't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 09:56 PM

Here is another recipe I found on recipelink:

MY WOODY`S COOK-IN SAUCE RECIPE

2 tbsp water
2 6oz cans tomato paste
2 tbsp canola oil (soybean oil)
2 tbsp white vinegar
2 tbsp red wine vinegar
3 tbsp liquid hickory smoke flavor (hickory smoke)
1/2 tsp onion powder (spices)
1/2 tsp garlic powder (spices)
1/2 tsp black pepper (spices)
1/2 tsp paprika (spices)
1 tsp salt
1 tsp dark molasses (sugar, carmel color)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce (soy sauce, carmel color, anchovies, onions, tamarinds, flavoring, etc)
1/4 tsp xanthan gum (thickening agent)

Mix all ingredients and simmer until flavors combine and consistency is right.

This recipe is based on the order ingredients are listed (Water, Tomato Paste, Soybean Oil, White Vinegar, Wine Vinegar, Hickory Smoke, Spices, Salt, Sugar, Soy Sauce, Carmel Color, Anchovies, Onions, Tamarinds, Flavoring, Xanthan Gum, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, FD&C Red No 40), what I taste, and things found in most kitchens. Real Woody`s is a little darker (more carmel color & Red no 40) and tastes more strongly of tamarinds.

SF Bill: On the two bottles I have in hand (I found another one!), anchovies are NOT listed in the ingredents. These are marked "Best by July 10, 2008".

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 10:10 PM

Bill, the list of ingredients is 'supposed' to be in order of amounts meaning water should be MORE than tomato paste. As I pointed out earlier, Canola Oil is NOT soybean oil...it is rape seed oil.

I am certain there is dry mustard powder in it and almost as certain that the sugar is carmelized white sugar, but I suppose dark molasses would do.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:42 PM

Once again, I must point out that this particular recipe came, originally, from this thread...up near the top. It got copied from there to a recipe site, and from there...it's already resurfaced here once, and now...

...now it's BA-A-A-A-A-CK...yet again!

Tee hee! Sorry, not meaning to tease, but it's so much fun to watch this thread develop.

Bill, I can't wait to hear how you do with the firehouse. Do let us know!

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 12:55 AM

Sorcha, You may very well be right about the order of ingredents, and I'm sure you are. However, what you and I might consider "tomato paste" might not be what commercial producers get. They might get hard blocks of tomato paste which needs water. Just a theory.

I'm not sure what the differences in type of oil might mean, I think soybean oil might be on the list because it's cheap. That is, after all, why 'Trans Fats' became popular - they were cheap! If you have insignt into the oil issue, let me know. I'm a "foodie", but do not consider myself an expert in any way.

Claire, I smacked my palm into my forehead almost as soon as I posted! Then, I looked back in this thread and smacked myself AGAIN! Of course it had been posted before! My bad!

OF COURSE I can take some teasing! If I couldn't, I really have no business going NEAR a Firehouse, let alone inside with food! (Triple jeopardy)! Of course, I will let you - and all the watchers - know how it goes!

That said, I have never seen any feedback on that recipe. Perhaps those that tried it declared success and went home happy. If so, it kind of lines up with my theory to simplify.

I tasted both sauces tonight, cold. The original Woody's had a sour bite at first, that my 'knock off' doesn't have. (I can't walk into the Firehouse unprepared, you know). However, that doesn't seem to matter with the finished, cooked, food.

Tomorrow night is supposed to be the night! (It might change because my friend is working a double watch). I will let you know what compliments - or abuse - I get. The best result would be plenty of both!

I actually have no idea if I will be invited to attend the meal or not. That's just the way these things are. Thanks for your good wishes! I do hope that your panic has subsided from the start of this thread. We WILL finish this problem - with all of us together!

SF Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 12:40 PM

The first recipe I tried was similar to the one that keeps popping up here like a bad penny. I used the molasses & decided that was a mistake (know anyone who can use an almost full bottle of molasses that I have no use for?). Too sweet (although it did lend just about the right color to the sauce).

I hope to try either Sorcha's or Bill's recipe today, but my husband is starting to get just a bit testy about all the barbecue sauce, especially since he claims the 48 bottles of Woody's I'm hoarding will last at least 10 years. Hmmm, maybe I'll keep the molasses & see if anyone would take him instead...or I'll do a "two for one" special. Any takers? LOL.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 01:16 PM

I'll pass on the husband (one's plenty), but I would suggest that a nice batch of molasses cookies might be just the thing to soften him up!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 01:29 PM

Use the molasses to make Worchestershire sauce...I think I put the recipe up above.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 06:19 PM

Pass on the husband and molasses... but I would go for a 2-for-1 deal on your stash of Woody's, Janet!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 07:01 PM

Suggestion:

Im a huge woody's fan as well, and very VERY sad it's gone. I have all the recipes posted and will begin experimenting soon, as well as posting my results. For those of you who are trying to find out which spices to use, and are using things such as Ms. Dash, etc, try using Tony's instead. (Though I am going to try using just raw ingredients myself).   Ill let you know how things go.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 12:15 AM

A thought about the 'quantity & order listed' of teh ingredients...

Does that mean the amoun of say, water IN the FINAL finished product, or in the starting RECIPIE? Some water will boil off...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,CatAdjuster
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 07:33 AM

Anchovies! I put two in my sauce. Two cans of paste, white and a dash of Chinese Black vinegar, 6 cloves of garlic, 1/2 an onion, some Lea & Perrins, Angostura Bloody Mary Mix , fresh basil, oregano and a lime. NO sugar product of any kind. Ground it all up in a blender (on chop) then Cooked it low for 4 hours and let it sit overnight. Came out great! REAL close !! Can't give you the exact amounts of anything because I've always been " a little of this -n- that" kind of cook. All for bringing Woody's back on the shelf though. Nothing in this world quite compares

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,CatAdjuster
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 01:26 PM

"Beverly" from Reily Foods just returned my call. Negotiations for purchase of Woody's Cook-in" look good and should be finalized in a week or two. 800-535-1961
Fingers and toes are crossed !

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 02:21 PM

We can only hope!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Woody's Deprived
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 07:23 PM

All on this board - thank you for the great information. While it doesn't satisfy the loss of Woody's, we are watching your concoctions to reproduce the sauce with baited breath. We are here in North Texas and want to help in whatever way possible.

Chuck and Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 01:23 PM

I don't want to keep the thread in suspense, so here's an update: My friend did not cook at the Firehouse on Sunday - but he has signed up for Wednesday night. Three Firefighters did taste in on Saturday and proclaimed it delicious. None even pretended to get sick.

We had chicken baked with the sauce on Sunday, and it's very close said me, my GF and my other son. "If I didn't know it was fake, I would have thought it was the real thing", he said.

I have already tweaked the recipe to get closer, and will make a batch this week. Unlike the "bit of this and that" method of cooking, I tend to be the engineer. If anyone wants a look at it before I make it, let me know and I'll post it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 02:13 PM

I certainly would! (Besides, I wanted to claim the 200th post on my birthday.)

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 07:55 PM

Happy Birthday, Claire.

San Francisco Bill voiced my opinion. I'll bet the Woody's people are watching and laughing at how close (or far) everybody is from the true recipe. I can just hear the snickers.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:03 PM

Carol -California -August 28, 2007
Woody's has been around for years and is the best. Hopefully someone will please start production of Woody's Cookin Sauce again. Continue with the tradition.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:39 PM

Happy Birthday Clare! Here you go:

San Francisco Bill's SECOND Woody's recipe

Yield: 3 Pints, plus enough for tonight's steak. I have not actually made this one yet.

8 oz Tomato Sauce
12 oz Tomato Paste
6 oz water
1 cup Canola Oil
½ cup White Vinegar
½ cup Apple Cider Vinegar
4 Tbsp soy sauce
8 Tbsp Worcestershire sauce
1- 2 oz anchovy fillets - finely chopped - with oil
1 - cup fresh squeezed lemon juice
2 Tbsp Paprika
1 Tbsp Onion Power
2 Tbsp Garlic Powder
1 Tbsp Coleman's dry Mustard
1 Tsp Red Tabasco
8 Tbsp Hickory Liquid Smoke - Concentrated
2 Tbsp Black Ground Pepper


Into the slow cooker for 6 hours on Low, stirring once an hour or two.

This recipe continues to simplify and adjust the taste. The Mesquite and Cajun flavors are now replaced with more hickory smoke, less soy and more Worcestershire for a stronger flavor of Tamarinds and Tabasco is reduced for less heat. Even though anchovies are not on the last production ingredient label, I'm sure they were replaced at some point with "anchovy flavor".

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 10:55 PM

Lookin' good there Bill! (you might add some tamarind paste...I know it's in the Worch. sauce but....)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 03:02 AM

Hi Sorcha! Thank you! You might be right about more tamarind. I can't find it at the local Safeway - despite there being a large Asian food aisle. There is no shortage of Asian supermarkets nearby, so I'll try there. I think that might be the taste that is the first 'bite' when you taste it.

Remember, at one point the ingredent label said something about tamarid - as well as anchovy - both of which were probably substituted with "Flavors" from a laboratory. My label mentions neiher tamarid nor anchovy. They do that a lot nowadays. When we finally "Hit it", it will be more like the original formula from 50 (Claire said she has used it for 50+ years) or more years ago. No artifical ingredients.

With this weekend being Labor Day, I have a feeling several of us will finally crack "The Woody's Code". Or make big progress anyway.

As for the Woody's formula people watching us, I'm absolutely sure they are, and closely. I don't think hey are snickering either. I think they are spittin' nickles, or doing something with bricks.

I think that is the reason someone reported receiving a call from them about the sale to a new producer - to quell the interest generated here. It's not like they can make us stop

Even if it comes back on the market - and I think it might eventually - I think we all still want the recipe for it, so it can never be taken away from Americana again. It's an American Icon that should not be lost because of some corporate decision.

That said, I think when the recipe gets out, it will be good for them. If people in Europe, say, can make a good knock-off at home, it would stimulate interest in the real thing and would increase their market to world-wide. Who knows, our efforts might be part of a vast, global marketing scheme.

Not to sound the least bit political, but it would be nice to have an American export that is seen throughout the world as 100% goodness. Our movies and music aren't to many folks, our foods and soft drinks aren't to many folks, and Oscar Mayer Bacon can offend the world in so many ways, I can't even count.

This recipe? It may not change the world, but it is a step in the right direction. It's an effort that leaves a good taste in my mouth. Literally!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 11:30 AM

Whoever said that Whole Foods has tamarind paste is correct; that's where I found it. Though come to think of it, the product I got was too sweet and jammy, not near sour enough -- I think an Asian market might be a better bet.

You know, Bill, it's suddenly occurred to me that maybe I ought to send the URL for this thread to, say, Alton Brown at the Food Network. I think people coming together this way online to try to recapture a lost "American Icon," as you so accurately put it, would make an interesting story.

What do you think? Too much potential publicity for the Cat, or should I do it?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 11:48 AM

PM Max and ask him.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 12:09 PM

Good thought -- thanks, Sorcha. Not that I would have a clue how to get in touch with Alton Brown, but it seems just like something he'd enjoy covering.

I have been overwhelmed by both the cameraderie and the knowledge generated within this thread. The story, as it evolves, is very compelling. We're a pretty impressive bunch, when we put our heads together.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fordyman
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 02:11 PM

I have been following all of you on the subject of Woods'y Cook in Sauce. My wife and I have been using it since the 50s. We are going to try Claire's recipe, but withmTamarind. I found it in an East Indiand food store. It is a product of Thailand. Hope this helps. Will keep you posted on how it turns out. We still have 1/2 bottle for taste tests.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 02:29 PM

Fordyman, please remember to leave out the copious amounts of cumin that are in my recipe!

Don't know how carefully you read so maybe I don't need to say this, but I only added the cumin to add a "not-quite-foodlike" character, when I realized that whatever the other dominant, not-quite-food flavor besides smoke was, I wasn't going to be able to achieve it with my recipe. That "other flavor" is what many people think is tamarind, so when you add the tamarind you won't need the cumin...and the cumin takes the sauce down a whole different flavor alley, anyway. A good one, but not Woody's.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,New England woody's fan
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 03:59 PM

I'm yet another lurker who is watching "The Woody's Story" unfold here.

My in-laws were originally from Texas, and would always bring a few cases back with them to share with us from their annual trip down south. They're too old to make the trip now, so I've had to find other sources (the stores don't carry it here in New England). After searching the web last winter, I finally got in touch with Reily Foods and was able to buy a case directly from them. They told me at the time that it was temporarily out of production, but would soon return with "a new look". Obviously, that didn't happen.

One thing that disappointed me was the changed ingredients on the last case: removal of the anchovies and tamarind, and the addition of the high fructose corn syrup. If Reily Foods succeeds in selling the brand, let's hope the new buyer returns to the old original recipe.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 05:26 PM

Hey Claire! I've seen in threads other than this one, copies of emails to Riley's complete with links to here. They know what we're up to, no doubt about it. As for the Food Network, I think it'a a terrific idea! You go girl!

For New England Woody's fan: If you look a few posts back, you'll see where I theorize that they use tamarid and anchovy FLAVORINGS nowadays. The stuff coming out of labs these days can taste like anything you can imagine and is far cheaper. Same for sugar - syrup is cheaper.

And tonight's the night for my first sauce to be served at the Firehouse!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 07:32 PM

I totally think the Alton Brown idea is fantastic. He would probably have a lot of resources (money and manpower) available to work on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 07:51 PM

Update: Pure seedless tamarinds were found at the asian supermarket! I had some time available today, so the second formula is in the pot now! I tossed in a Tablespoon of tamarinds, so we'll see how it turns out!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:21 PM

Progress report on the cook of my SECOND recipe:

At 1 1/2 hours into the cook, the GF came home and thought I was baking with Woody's. At 3 hours into the cook, she tasted it, along with some original from the bottle. She reports that the ONLY difference between MY knock-off sauce and Woody's cook-in is that MY sauce tastes just a tad sweeter! Go figure! My recipe has NO sugar or sweetener. It must come from some of the inherent ingridents.

Please remember that my first and second sauce recipes are based on Sorcha's original work - so she did most of the work, I simply refined and simplified it.

The Firehouse wanted Lemon chicken tonight, so the first generation Knock-off sauce will not be used this evening. Yes, I'm bummed, too. But I do feel like Tom Cruise in "Top Gun": I'm a member of a team, and the target is very close in our sights!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:38 PM

Welcome to the TASTY zone!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:55 PM

Well, Bill, thanks for the kudos, but it's really all Claire's fault! She started this mess! LOL

I know for a fact that there is stuff in my rendition that doesn't need to be there but I can't make another batch until I use up the first batch. Still 3 pints to go and somehow they object to bbq every night. No idea why.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 12:06 AM

Sorcha,

She did, but it was still your recipe I started with. I just applied some engineering and simplification. At least I got to foist 2/3 of my first batch off at the Firehouse! They loved it there, but by the time they actually use it, it will be obsolete!

Which is tonight.

My second cook is done: 4 hours in the pot. It's cooling in canning jars right now (but I didn't really go through the canning process, which REAL Woody's does).

According to my GF, I was really close with the first batch, and even CLOSER with my second recipe - but you will have to taste them for yourself. The taste changes from the first ingredient mix, through the cooking, to the final cooked product, and finally, what it tastes like a few days later in the referigerator.

My sauce was tasted warm - just minutes ago - and has not quite developed that 'aftertaste' I reported in my first batch. I think that may develop as it cools and ages. We will see.

As a note, the minced anchovy and seedless tamarind just disappeared during the cooking.

We are closing in!

P.S. I understand having pints to have to use and not waste. If there is any way of making friends at the local Firehouse, they're usually very accomodating!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Carey
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 12:12 AM

Like all of you our family is crying over the loss of Woody's. I have sent my email and will call the company tomorrow. Can everyone just keep on emailing them and calling. Dad has been responsible for converting many Canadian BBQ'ers to Woody's people. Now we are going to have an uprising north of the border as well. In forty years the best present we ever got for Dad was the 1 gallon jug of Woody's I found in florida in the 80's. I would kill to come across another gallon jug like I did that day.

Tom from Reily suggested prayers but I do think we are better off continuing to hound the company. What a ridiculous decision to discontinue Woody's. They should have had a second look at their marketing department instead. Human error and incompetence seems to be affording this company bad judgement.

Carey/ Canada

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 12:42 AM

Carey,

I'm not sure it would Canadianlike to actually kill something/someone in the pursuit of the good old Woody's taste and flavor!

It may be a chore to look through all the posts, but it might be worth it: I think you just stumbled upon some of the BEST America has to offer (In my Humble Opinion), to wit: We have a problem, there is a solution to the problem, and using good old Yankee problem solving skills - we will not rest until we have found the solution to the problem!!

By the way, when we solve the Woody's problem and send it your way, will you send us some ketchup flavoured chips and dill pickle dip, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 01:46 AM

For those of you in the San Francisco Bay Area, I've found tamarind pods at both Smart & Final (on El Camino in Mountain View) and at El Pueblo Mercado (on Rengstorff in Mountain View).

I hope to make a batch of Woody's this weekend (when my husband's not around to complain).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 01:20 PM

SFBill -- They may or may not be using tamarind or anchovy flavorings, but I'd much rather pay a little more and eat the real thing rather than a chemical substitute. :-(

And, as far as high fructose corn syrup is concerned, it has way too many negative health issues to justify the small cost savings. People need to get better educated on bad that stuff is for us.

When I received my case of the "new" formula last winter, I still had a jar of the old stuff. Could be just my imagination, but I didn't think the new stuff was as good as the old.

Anyway, keep up the good work. If the Woody's brand gets sold, and the new owners cheap out with the chemicals and HFCS, I will probably just start making my own, now that you've been able to re-create it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,New England Woody's fan
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 01:22 PM

(Sorry, forgot to put my name on that last message.)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 08:56 PM

Well, NE, we're still working on re creating it....Work In Progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM

I can understand NE's concern about the "health problems" concerning a few of the ingredients that "might" be involved in Woody's.
My answer...
The idea isnt to drink it !!
I don't know of any instance where this product isn't COOKED again.
Oh yeah, no charcoal grill I guess...too many carcinogens (sp).
SanFran Bill, Clair & Janet....remember, the recipe was derived MANY years ago and has been sold & manufactured more than once, continuously, for almost 100 years.
Maybe the secret REALLY is the red Dye #40 ??
Keep up the wonderful work guys, and DONT be afraid to use REAL ingredients rather than a "new & better" soy substitute.
Bryan

PS.. I still think alligator poo and crab roe is the secret flavor (?)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:13 AM

ROF! This thread is just getting too weird.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:24 AM

To All: Thanks for checking in on this thread. I like to see the interest and community here, just like Claire pointed out. The Labor Day weekend is upon us and I think we we will see several results posted real soon, both by regulars and lurkers (welcome, Lurkers)!

If anyone in SF is looking, Tamarinds are available at the OceanView Supermarket, Alameny Blvd, Aisle 3. You'll have to find it yourself because nobody admits to speaking English there.

NEWF: I am totally unqualified to say anything about health benefits of various substances. Because we have no access to those chemicals anyway, it doesn't matter. I have mentioned that whatever the final recipe is will probably be a lot closer to the original formula developed 60 to 100 years ago. If all natural ingredents floats your boat, I'm happy for you. I'm rocking with the idea that we are making the original from decades ago. That and the fact that between us, they CAN'T take it away from us!

Taste test tonight, on last night's batch: My Second recipe is a LOT closer than my first - which was pretty close itself. I noticed that the difference between Woody's and this batch was the initial "bite" of taste, which may be only a lack of a few more drops of heat.   The GF says that - while it's no longer sweeter - it's almost exact - it may need MORE Hickory Smoke flavor to make it precice!

Folks, we are close! Can we nail it this weekend?

JBJ, I couldn't find any aligator poo in any of the stores. If you happen to be in the Louisania area, please check the Piggly-Wiggly stores for it!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:33 AM

What's wrong with an expedition to the swamp?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:56 AM

LOL on the swamp trip...probably find "woody's" is the catsup/ketchup made at home for years! (Doubtful 'bout the alligator poo) however, would be a LOT more fun on the recipe instead of "spices" & "flavorings".
At least all of us could find Alligator Poo. The "fun" would be to try and duplicate it according to nationally accepted FDA and dietary standards.
Heck, list it as an ingredient and let FUTURE generations try to figure it out !!
Would LOVE to see the posts then !
Keep up the good work!
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 02:02 AM

Hey Guys...
To Heck (?) with Reily Foods...
You guys have done Great and you oughta bottle your own sauce.

Just a suggestion
   WOODY'S MUDCAT Cook-in SAUCE
Now THAT would confuse some people in 50 years trying to figure out what the secret "mudcat" flavoring meant !!
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 11:32 AM

Maybe we could call it Woodcat Cook-In' Sauce and really confuse everyone! Great idea, Bryan.

Got some terrific tamarind paste at the "International Food Bazaar" in Campbell. Going to try again this weekend.

I've noticed that no one's recipe has specified both "white and wine vinegars," which was mentioned as being on the ingredients list of an older Woody's bottle a few dozen posts back.

I think I'll try that combo this time. Unfortunately, now I'm unable to find the great wine vinegar I've been using...I think it may have been discontinued. Sigh.

LOL
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,New England Woody's fan
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:42 PM

Hey, sorry if it sounded like I was trying to hijack the thread and start some controversy, or didn't appreciate what y'all (now there's a word you don't hear around here) are doing to "keep Woody's alive". I'm not a "health food nut", I just like to avoid generally accepted "bad" ingredients like high fructose corn syrup. Anyway, that's the last I'll say on that subject.

One thing I'm curious about -- wasn't the "original" Woody's from Texas, not Louisiana? If so, I wouldn't expect to find any alligator poo in it. :-}

Can't wait to hear how SFBill's next batch of "Woodcat Cook-Out Sauce" comes out!

RE: "The idea isnt to drink it !!" -- hmmm, hadn't thought about that, but come to think of it, add some vodka and pepper and a stalk of celery to it, and you might just have one potent Bloody Mary (or would that be a Bloody Woody?).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:50 PM

I'll have one of those Woody Marys myself.

And yes, Texas, so I guess we should be adding some armadillo puree.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 01:10 PM

Claire, check my recipe....I put in white, wine and balsamic. Balsamic is probably too sweet.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 01:44 PM

Sorry, Sorcha, I'd forgotten that. I'd evidently forgotten a whole bunch of recipes on this thread that featured both white and wine vinegars, in fact --- must have had a brain cell implosion sometime recently. I hate it when that happens!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 02:24 PM

LOL on the Woody Mary's !!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Len
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 10:19 PM

Hi,
My name is Len and I have been lurking here for a couple of weeks, ever since I went online to see if I could find out what had happened to Woody's. I couldn't find it on any store shelf.

I made San Francisco Bill's SECOND Woody' recipe last night with a few modifications:
1. I used lemon juice from concentrate
2. I used Mc Cormick dry mustard
3. I only used 7 Tblsp of Colgin liquid smoke (I would have used 8 Tblsp, but I underestimated what I had remaining in the bottle.
4. I could not find any pure seedless tamarinds at my asian supermarket, but I did find two other products: tamarind paste and "Tamarin de concentrer", a sour soup base mix. I went with the soup base mix. It is brown and very sour. The 16 oz container has a picture of the tamarind plant on the front. I used 1 tblsp.

I cooked the mixture in my crock pot for about 8 hrs, then bottled it up and put it in the refrigerator.

Tonight I did a taste test on chicken thighs. Since I still have about a quarter jar left of the original Woody's, I cooked half with the old woody's and half with the new mixture.

Here are my reactions and comparisons:
The new mixture is about the same color, brushes on about the same, looked very similar after the thighs were cooked.
The new mixture needs A Lot more smoke flavor, I would say at least 4 or 5 more Tblsp.
I think the canola oil could be reduced to 3/4 cup from 1 cup.
The new mixture had a slight tomato flavor, but I might have been tasting that because of the weaker smoke flavor.
The new mixture would be a very good substitute for the original Woody's.

My wife thought the new mixture, along with needing more smoke flavor, also needed more of the other spices, like garlic powder, onion powder and worcestershire sauce. She also said she thought it needed a little salt, but I really couldnt tell it was less salty then the original.


This is kind of fun,
Len

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 10:25 PM

A thought on canola oil - how 'old' is it in relation to the the earliest possible commercial availability of Woody's? Would dome ot her oil have been used, replaced by a cheaper canola?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 10:27 PM

A thought on canola oil - how 'old' is it in relation to the the earliest possible commercial availability of Woody's? Would some other oil have been used, replaced by a cheaper canola?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 01:39 AM

Oh my. I knew I hadn't been finding Woody's in my local market, but when I generously doused my chicken with it last night I had no idea I was almost completely using up my very last jar. As you all agree, there is nothing better. We are now saving and freezing every little left over bit of sauce, and I'm grateful as heck I have at least some left of it in the jar. Thank you to all of you for your efforts, including the recipe formulations. I will watch here closely waiting for the final, ultimate recipe.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:03 AM

Thank YOU Len, for checking in!

Please remember that I am using Wright's`"Hickory Seasoning Liquid Smoke, concentrated" in my second recipe, and the Love of my life thought I may need to add more. That would put your theory right on target!

My Second recipe - which was formulated by running with Sorcha's ideas - is getting very close (it could probably fool 99% of the tasting population), but only with the Sorcha suggested addition of the Tamarids.

We are going to get it!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:18 AM

Amy, there will probably never be a definitive, beyond all doubt, recipe for Woody's Cook-in sauce.

However, Sorcha ran with it, ClairBear kept it going, Sorcha made up a cook, and i came along - late.

I didn't do much, except to take their ideas, and simplify them.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 02:22 PM

Here's my newest variation on Sorcha/SF Bill's recipe. It's in the slow cooker now:

Sorcha/Bill's Mudcat Woody's:

8 oz Tomato Sauce
12 oz Tomato Paste
6 oz water
1 cup vegetable oil (same as soybean oil)
1⁄2 cup white wine Vinegar – 7.1% acidity
1⁄2 cup red wine Vinegar
4 Tbsp soy sauce
1/2 cup Worcestershire sauce (about the same as 8 Tbsp)
1- 2 oz anchovy fillets - finely chopped - with oil
1 - cup RealLemon lemon juice
2.5 Tbsp Paprika
1 Tbsp Onion Power
2 Tbsp Garlic Powder
1 Tbsp McCormick's dry Mustard
1.5 Tbsp Red Tabasco
1/2 cup plus 1.5 Tbsp Hickory Liquid Smoke - Concentrated
2 Tbsp Black Ground Pepper
1 Tbsp cayenne
1 Tbsp tamarind concentrate (Tamicon brand)
1 teas xanthan gum

Into the slow cooker for 6 hours on Low, stirring once an hour or two.


I didn't use the mesquite seasoning because I didn't have any, so I added some extra Hickory Liquid Smoke (as I noted above 1/2 cup is approximately 8 Tbsp according to my measuring cups).

I added some extra tabasco and a Tbsp. of cayenne 'cause it didn't seem quite "hot" enough.


My husband is howling that we already have a 10 year supply of the real Woody's and moaning that now we have more.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 04:00 PM

Share, Janet, share... I'd drive down from Santa Rosa for some!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 04:31 PM

My first batch is almost gone...so I'll do another soon. Janet, still sounds like almost too much tomato. How did it taste?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 04:50 PM

Michael, I'm gathering ingredients for my next batch, to be cooked this pm. I'll get you some somehow, soon. Hmmm, who commutes from your part of the world to mine, or vice versa?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 08:48 PM

Are you coming to the Sebastopol Celtic Festival, Claire?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 08:55 PM

Not sure...I have some dental surgery coming up that may make me too uncomfortable to do it. But I'll find a way to get you some, if not.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 12:06 AM

Brought final "family" stock of Original Woody's to Maryland last weekend for Mom's 75th b'day & crabfest on the beach. She'd already prepared 20lbs of Brisket w/her last hoard !!
Showed this "Link" to everyone and they're all ready with shopping lists and crock-pots for the final recipe from this group of experts.
Down to my last "stash" on e-bay but I'm looking forward to seeing "MUDCAT WOODY" BBQ CONCENTRATE on the market. For anyone that's interested...Ken's Steakhouse Salad Dressing's (They produce & bottle Newman's Own) is only 4 miles from here.
Remember the earlier posts concerning a co-op proposition to Reily's?
Hmmmm.
Just a thought.

(OK..forget the "gator poo")

Janet...your turn on e-bay ! LOL
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Deepster
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 12:07 AM

I just discovered this stuff about a week ago. It was in a "markdown" bin at a local grocer for 30 cents for 8 oz. bottles....OMG, if I knew then what I know now, I'd have been dumping those bins on the floor for every bottle! This is one awesome product, and hopefully is available again soon! In the meantime, I'll try duplication using some of the recipes provided. I just don't understand how long such a fine sauce can just dissapear, and let's all hope it comes back soon!

Regards,
DEEP

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 02:05 AM

We used the Sorcha-Bill's Mudcat Woody's recipe tonight. Still a little on the tomato-ey side, like Sorcha speculated (but pretty well hidden by the liquid smoke, I think). When I tasted it earlier today, it had quite a "bite", but some of that seems to have cooked out. May need to add a bit more cayenne or tabasco or something hot. Also, it was on the "soupy" side & kinda slid off the meat ... might need more xanthan gum to thicken it - or maybe it's just that it was still too warm when I used it.

I think Bill's GF is right; it also needs a little salt - maybe some additional soy sauce (that would also help darken it).

Now the big question for me is: can someone tell me how in the heck you can stuff? I've never tried canning anything & don't have a clue. With all this extra barbecue sauce hanging around, though, I think I need to learn ... fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 02:08 AM

Bryan -

I'm not putting anything on E-Bay until we've got this sucker right ... or until everyone else has sold their stash & I can get $50 a bottle like that first guy did.

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 10:43 AM

this makes one wonder where this sauce was made for Reily? the first time woody's was removed from the market place was because the white paint on the jar had lead in it . so i was told by one of the distributors and when i asked Reily about it they confirmed it. maybe they had a toy factory in china make it? so if you have any old woody's jars don't lick them and do not run your bbq brush on the outside catching any spills etc. wash it off after you are done. I think this had something to do with the product being removed from the market place so now you know why the last jars had paper lables on them. I did not see any of the jars with the paper labels on them but somone said they had some that way. so what is the real reason they quit making it. something as simple as putting a label on a jar?? maybe the batch with paper label had to be done by hand no machine to do it for them and they did not want to invest the money for a new label installing machine?? now don't everyone start making a big deal out of it . when the problem was found they took care of it. but the reason they quit making it could be that simple. now rember i said the ink was on the outside of the jar not inside with the sauce. So everyone who keeps bugging the factory to make it again --lost cause--they know . they just don't want to mess with it

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 03:09 PM

UPDATE on Sorcha-Bill's Mudcat Woody's:

I tasted it this morning after it was in the fridge all night. It's almost dead-on identical to my bottle of real Woody's -- the tomato taste has lessened a little bit. Still needs a little salt, I think, to taste exactly the same. Color is almost identical, too. It's also thickened to just about the right consistency, thanks to the xanthan gum I added (I didn't measure, but I think I dumped in about a tablespoon - maybe more).

We're just about there, folks. Maybe a couple of very minor refinements to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST, jayb
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 06:50 PM

Glad I found this forum big woodys fan from way back. I work in an upscale grocery store yes we carry tamarind paste. Trying the recipe in the crock pot right now. Funny people are coming in asking for woodys a lot . I remember the recall we must have 15 bottles sent back. Then we got a case direct from woodys and the label was a little different. The was a Safeway around here a few months ago that didnt pull the old stock and I bought it all. Looking forward to trying it tonight I like to go 1/2 woodys 1/2 balsamic vinagreete for a awesome skirt steak marinade. JayB

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 09:57 PM

Janet,

I thought your heat level would be quite a bit hotter than my recipe. Seeing that it's not, I'll try a little more heat next time. On canning: My GF cans - and will be canning tomorrow. It's a very exact science! The fact that Woody's is canned may affect it's flavor a bit. At the very least you need to learn the canning process and get the proper bottles, lids and caps.

I just keep mine in the refrigerator for now.

Did your sauce duplicate that initial "bite" one gets when they taste the sauce?

Fred,

Very interesting tale about why the last production didn't have the "painted" bottles anymore. They were "painted" for decades. My bottles have a plastic, printed, clear sticker on them. Never saw any made of paper.

Thanks for sharing!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 11:56 PM

JayB, very fine Idea for skirt steak - I love skirt - a comment on my culinary preferences, not on college behavoir!

As a bit of an aside, I wound up with a bunch of Mesquite Liquid Smoke Concentrate - which is NOT a flavor in Woody's. My favorite marinade for flank steak is worchestershire sauce, apple cider vinegar, garlic, salt and pepper. I added some mesquite smoke tonight and "Yee, Haw!" (That's an American term) It was good!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 03 Sep 07 - 12:19 AM

Bill -

I dunno. The more I compare the taste of mine & the real Woody's, the more confused I become. When I tasted it 5 minutes ago, mine seemed hotter than the real stuff - still not as salty, though.

I think it had a pretty similar initial bite.

All I can say for sure is that this batch is a lot closer than the batch I made a couple of weeks ago.

I'm taking a class at Golden Gate University on Tues. & Wed. nights (starts at 6:00) ... maybe I should bring some of my most recent batch up & let you taste it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,txmischief
Date: 03 Sep 07 - 01:28 PM

Hi Group,
Just found your blog today...read it all. Wow, you guys have done a lot. Thanks Claire for getting it started.

I am 55, my brother is 69 and we don't remember Woody's not being a part of the family's barbecues. We are all that's left of the family and losing Woody's is like losing another member. We've both called and written Luzianne and gotten the same Brenda answer you guys got. We've screamed, yelled, searched the stores in Fort Worth and Arlington and came up empty handed. Has anyone gone forward with the idea of buying the recipe?

I'm not a cook and the last to figure out ingredients. I'm counting on you guys to come up with the closest recipe and then someone to please teach me the best way to do it. Old dogs can learn new tricks..right?

It's nice to learn that Woody's has brought as many smiles and happy bellies around the US as it brought to us all these years. What's wrong with these idiots taking away such a wonderful history. Probably that dreaded "bottom line". Could be just the retooling for the bottles as someone suggested above. Please let me know if there is something that my brother and I can do...other than a recipe. LOL
Dannielle

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,ClaireBear logged out
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 10:32 AM

My computer is dying, so I've logged out to prevent losing my cookie permanently.

I made batch 2 this weekend, and it's really, really close to the original.

As you may recall, my first recipe differed somewhat from everyone else's attempts -- lots more black pepper, different spices overall. It was close in color and texture but missing a vital flavor. I thought I was getting there, but for that flavor, so instead of starting with one of your recipes, I stuck with my own for batch 2, adding tamarind and adjusting a few other quantities a bit.

At one point, I thought it was getting there but was still a bit harsh. So I had my husband taste it. Well, his eyes twinkled and he went to the fridge, coming back with a bottle of Thai peanut sauce. He had my taste my sauce, then the real Woody's, then the peanut sauce. Darned if there wasn't something in the peanut sauce that was more like Woody's than my own sauce! Sort of a blending agent. Hmmm.

Next we examined the peanut sauce ingredients...the major ones were similar to Woody's, and there seemed to be nothing in there that could account for the difference, except maybe the peanuts themselves...

Now clearly, Woody's couldn't have peanuts in it, or else folks with peanut allergies would be dropping like flies and suing like...well, you know. So, I thought, what else is kind of like peanut butter in general character?

That's when I thought of sesame tahini. And wow, did that make the difference!

So, herewith I present Claire's Woody's #2. Honestly, it is SOOOOO close to the real thing except for two things: the lack of citric acid (or maybe lemon juice), which I didn't have in stock, and the need for yet more hickory taste.

Claire's Woody's Knockoff #2

(note: ounce measurements are by volume, not weight)

18 oz. (2-1/4 c.) water
18 oz. (2-1/4 c.) tomato paste
13 oz. (1-5/8 c.) distilled vinegar
9 oz. (1-1/8 c.) wine vinegar
8 oz. (1 c.) canola oil
5 oz. (5/8 c.) Stubb's hickory seasoning
4 oz. (1/2 c.) cider vinegar
4 oz. (1/2 c.) tamarind paste (Golchin brand from India)
4 oz. (1/2 c.) black pepper
3.5 oz. (7/16 c.) Wright's Liquid Smoke, hickory flavor
2 oz. (1/4 c.) Wright's Liquid Smoke, mesquite flavor
   (I would have used more hickory instead, but I was fresh out)
2 oz. (1/4 c.) worcestershire sauce
2 oz. (1/4 c.) regular paprika
1 oz. (1/8 c.) sweet smoked paprika
2 oz. (1/4 c.) sugar, caramelized to medium-dark brown
2 oz. (1/4 c.) soya sauce
2 oz. (1/4 c.) sesame tahini
2 oz. (1/4 c.) garlic powder
3 oz. (3/8 c.) salt
1 oz. (1/8 c.) instant coffee (I used Medaglia d'Oro)
2 tsp. powdered chipotle pepper
1 tsp. dry mustard
1/2 tsp. allspice
2 bay leaves

Mix all ingredients in a heavy stockpot or casserole. Heat slowly, stirring often. Simmer for 2 hours.

Makes about 72 oz.

MichaelR, some is destined for you. We may come up this weekend; if not I will ship them -- Jon's house OK?

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 11:05 AM

Claire -

I know nothing about sesame tahini, so I googled it. Did you use raw or roasted, hulled or unhulled? There might be some other categories I didn't find, but let us know -- apparently there are significant taste differences depending on the way it's processed.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,ClaireBear, logged out
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM

I am fairly sure it was raw...it was organic, which would tend to suggest both raw and unhulled, but I'll have to go home and read the label to be sure. Let you know tomorrow.

Have you ever eaten hummous? That's a puree of garbanzos, tahini, and lemon juice. Also Chinese chicken salad (bon bon chi) often has tahini or a similar sesame paste in the dressing.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 07:39 PM

Thanks Claire, that would be great. Can't wait to taste it!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 09:46 PM

Hey Janet,
I just did a tasting of my recipe #2 and my GF and I both agree that the heat level is the same as original Woody's. Original Woody's has little specks in it you can feel with the tongue - I speculate it has coarser pepper than I have. Something is still missing though, and it's not just salt (but it needs that as well). It may be as simple as salt, sugar and more tamarind flavor.

As far as a taste test - absolutely! Claire, Sorcha, if you're in the neighborhood you know the invite applies to you as well! I think everybody can guess what city I live in.....

Danielle, welcome to the group! Glad you found us!

If you are Jonesing for a taste of Woody's, just make up one of the recipes in the last few pages: Janet's, Sorcha's, Claire's or mine. Any one of them surely will be very close indeed! You can post your opinion as how close any one of us is. Or you can print out the recipes and make a batch of your own choosing! You don't have to be a master chef to put some ingredents in a crock pot and simmer it! I can tell you: the hunt is fun!

To All: They used my Recipe #1 at the Firehouse this weekend, and apparently the crew went wild for it! I may think #2 is closer, but it didn't seem to matter to them! Now I have a SECOND Firehouse that wants some.....

You know, if we learn how to CAN our recipies - It's not that difficult but MUST be done properly - we could start doing taste exchanges all over the continent.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 09:52 PM

"Something is still missing though, and it's not just salt (but it needs that as well)"

Chefs know that 'anchovies' or anchovy paste has its uses .... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 10:33 PM

Hey Foolestroupe,

I agree - which is why I have used minced anchovy in my recipes - and it was on the older ingrident label. Do you think I (we) might need to add more? Take a look back and let us know. That IS missing from Claire's recipe, as is the coffee flavor in mine. Coffee is not an unusual flavor to find in Sourhern recipes, I've just come to understand...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 10:51 PM

Hmmm. I can't taste any coffee in it, but more anchovy might be necessary. Next time I plan to add some coarse ground black pepper too. Bill, it's a long way from eastern Wyoming to San Fran!

Since there is so much tomato and vinegar in it, I think that 10 mins at whatever pressure your sea level indicates should do it. I am high enough that I have to use 15 lbs pressure.

Do I really need to post pressure canning instructions? They should be easily available on the net.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 11:27 PM

Sorcha,

I can't say I taste coffee in my original Woody's either, but it's not that unusual of an ingredient in Southern Cooking. Claire seems to use it with success. Maybe more anchovy is needed.

OK, so now I know where you live, and it's far away. Still, the invitation and welcome mat is out...

Yesterday was canning day for my GF. Usually, I'm sent away, but I hung around yesterday. It's not that difficult, but it has to be done right, or you can kill someone (which is not on my "to do" list). With the GF by my side I think I can CAN my next batch! It's quite the process - how does air go out, but not come back in? A sauce recipe I saw called for 1/2" of air space and a 15 minute processing time. The extra 5 minutes can't hurt.

As an aside, our canned backyard pears turned out WONDERFUL! Yes, it can be done in San Francisco!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 11:37 PM

Just to keep the basics in mind, Claire listed the ingredients from an older label back in June. Remember that water can come from ALL of the other ingredents:

water, tomato paste, soybean oil, white and wine vinegars, hickory smoke, spices, salt, sugar, soy sauce, caramel color, anchovies, onions, tamarinds, flavoring, xanthan gum, potassiaum sorbate, sodium benzoate, red no. 40

Thanks, Claire!

P.S. Remember that tomato sauce has a lot of water in it, so that can trip the balance. Also, hickory smoke is WAY up there. And, I forgot the salt in my recipes.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 11:58 PM

Canned/tinned anchovies are salty!

Ref canning: You put hot stuff in hot jars, clean the lip/rim of the jar, put in warm to hot water. The pressure canner raises the boiling point of both the stuff in the jars and the water in the canner. This forces the air out of the jars (under the rubber rim of the lid flat and around the screw part ring of the lid.

Thus, when the super heated jars cool, it creates a vacum. It also cooks whatever is IN the jars even more. This is why we use raw veg and fruit.

For this sauce, I'd leave a 1" air/head space in the jars. When this stuff boils, it will burp...and if not enough head space is left the sauce will burp into the space between the rubber on the flat and the rim of the glass jar and not seal.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 02:06 AM

It sounds like canning is not for the faint hearted or the uninitiated ... and I confess to being both. So no canning for me unless/until someone can supervise me & make sure I do it right (I agree with Bill - I don't want to kill anyone, especially me).

I used a can of minced anchovies in my most recent batch because I, too, have the older bottles that show both anchovies and tamarinds as ingredients.

Claire's recipe may taste the same as Bill's, but it has a lot of substitutions.

One thing we all need to keep in mind ... this recipe has probably changed a lot over the years (wish I could get a bottle from 1980, when I first started using it).

Believe it or not, Reily Foods purchased the Woody's sauces in 1990 from Pace Foods (take a look at the Reily website: http://rfoods.com/). So this is probably originally a Texas recipe and maybe much more like Pace's picante sauces than anything else. Wish I knew who Pace acquired it from.

In any event:

I think using coarsely ground pepper (maybe an extra 1/2 to full tablespoon) might give it just enough extra "bite". Extra soy sauce should increase the saltiness, but I don't know what effect that might have on the other flavors.

If anyone lives in the SF Bay area and wants to do a taste test, let me know - maybe we can arrange some mutually convenient spot for a cookoff (Bill - maybe your firefighter friends would be willing to be the judges).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 08:14 AM

If you do that, I can mail a jar! That sounds fun!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,ClaireBear, logged out
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 02:06 PM

I live in Scotts Valley -- not too far away for a sauce showdown! But I hope someone else will do the barbecuing -- my husband doesn't eat meat, so I am way out of practice cooking it. Now, catfish...

Claire

PS I used coffee for two reasons:

1. general consensus seemed to be that sauces were coming out too red

2. I saw, I think, two Food Network southern barbeque-oriented shows in a row where coffee was a sauce ingredient.

I don't so much use it for coffee flavor as for color and a touch of bitterness.

And I haven't used anchovies simply because I don't think it's very likely that fish would be added to a sauce without being identified, because doing so could make the manufacturer liable for lawsuits from polluted vegetarians. I could be wrong, it's just a gut feeling.

I don't think I've used "a lot of substitutions," Janet, so your comment confuses me. What do you mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 05:22 PM

Claire -

"A lot of substitutions" was an overstatement on my part ... I guess I was thinking of the liquid mesquite smoke, the coffee, the tahini, and the omission of the anchovies. I also forgot that you had used tamarinds (that's what happens when you decide to get online at 11 o'clock at night).

The anchovies are listed on my jars, so no lawsuit issues there except from people who can't read the ingredients (actually, I was surprised when I saw anchovies listed - I know I've served this to my sis-in-law & she's one of those folks that has to carry around a syringe of adrenaline in case she eats fish or peanuts ... surprised I didn't kill her with the stuff).

Anyway, apologies for any unintended offense.

I'd still like to figure out some way to do a taste test. I'm willing to sacrifice a couple of my "originals" to the cause. On the other hand, I'm fairly happy with what we've come up with so far so maybe we should say "who cares" what the real stuff tastes like and just accept what we've concocted.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,ClaireBear, logged out
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 05:37 PM

No offense taken, I was merely confused. I had totally forgotten that anchovies were on the official list of ingredients. I don't think coffee and tahini are substitutions, though; I think they're "flavorings."

I would also love to do a taste test. As I've said, I'm in Scotts Valley. Are you in the South Bay?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 05:56 PM

There, logged in now. Anyway, I work in San Jose, and I've now checked and made sure you're nearby. I'll e-mail you.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 10:12 PM

You CAN wash salt out of 'anchovies' - if you can find ones that haven't disintegrated - most canned ones do. I have seen ones in bottles that look they they have not disintegrated - try a really GOOD 'Deli' - Aussie for Delicatessen - place that specialises in lots of imported delicacies - usually expensive...

You would probably need to dry them off on a paper towel too - help to move some of the salt.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 01:34 AM

In mt case the problem isn't too much salt, i'ts none at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 02:49 AM

OK Bill, Janet, and whoever else is local, here's the deal. I'm having some fairly intense periodontal surgery a week from Friday and probably won't be wanting to chew anything for a couple of weeks after that. So for me, this weekend is about it, eating-wise, for the next three weeks anyway. Now, I've been thinking of driving up to Sonoma County this weekend to deliver a jar of faux Woody's to the estimable MichaelR, who so gallantly parted with a portion of his last jar of the real thing so that I could get started on duplicating it.

Can't help but notice that Palo Alto and SF are both between my home and my goal. Any thoughts?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 10:24 AM

Claire -

I've committed to helping out at a garage sale all day on Saturday (yuck - but it needs to be done), and on Sunday afternoon I need to be in San Francisco - having a review session for a class I'm taking.

So I don't think I'd have time to participate in a full-fledged taste test this weekend, but I'd be willing to give you some of my latest batch if we could figure out where to meet. I'd also throw in a jar of my real stuff if you need more for experimentation.

I live in Mountain View & work in Palo Alto. Scott's Valley isn't too far if traffic isn't bad.

If you think something will work, email me ([e-mail]) and let me know.

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Ron
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 11:05 AM

Hi all!
I've been following this thread for a while now (lurking..) and was moved to write to Reily Foods a few days ago. I won't go into details of my email, but I received much the same response from the Consumer Affairs Manager as many of you have received. Much to my surprise, I also received an email from Mr. Darragh, President/CEO of Reily Foods. He has graciously given permission to post his email to this forum.
*************** Mr. Darragh's response **************

Dear Mr. Perry,

First, I wish to thank you for the passion you have for the Woody's brand. Too often today consumers seem to lack interest and a commitment toward long standing, quality brands. In an environment where private label and a host of me-too products continue to clutter the shelves and erode the status of independent brands, your passion is very refreshing.

Second, I wish to personally respond to the issue of Woody's discontinuance. Reily Foods has proudly owned and distributed the Woody's brand for many years. But over the years Woody's sales have declined significantly. In just the last 10 years, sales of Woody's declined over 50%. As a result many retailers began refusing to carry the item due to its slow movement. We faced significant challenges in supporting a brand with so little volume that declined consistently from year to year. We also lack the capability to produce Woody's in our own manufacturing facilities and so have had to rely on contract manufacturing to produce Woody's two varieties. This added to the cost pressures associated with maintaining such a small brand.

We are not a large company but we are very proud of what we have accomplished since our founding in 1902 in the heart of New Orleans. We are still a fiercely independent, private company but, like most businesses, we are forced to focus our limited resources against the most promising business opportunities. We do this for the sake of our 400 dedicated employees and for the continuing growth of Reily Foods in an increasingly competitive marketplace. Unfortunately, Woody's Cook-In Sauce was having a negative impact on our limited resources.

We have spent a great deal of time and energy attempting to find a buyer for Woody's. It was not until a few weeks ago that we found a gentleman in Texas who has stepped up to continue the Woody's tradition. The sale of Woody's to its new owner will be completed before the end of September. Hopefully for all us Woody's will again be available to the brand's passionate users.

I hope you understand the decision we made. Many business decisions are not easy and this was certainly one that was difficult but necessary due to a myriad of factors. We at Reily Foods hope that you will continue to support Woody's even though it may no longer be a part of our family of brands. We also hope that you will support our many other products which we are proud to provide.

Please let me know if you have any questions that I can answer.

Most sincerely,

David Darragh



David T. Darragh
President & Chief Executive Officer
Reily Foods Company
640 Magazine Street
New Orleans, LA 70130
Phone: [phone]
Fax:       [phone]
[e-mail]

*************** end of Mr. Darragh's response **************
Thank all of you for working to recreate the recipe... I miss Woody's aooo much!   I'll be sure to try it soon.
Also, let's hope that this Texas sale brings back Woody's as it was.

Ron

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 12:17 PM

Now THAT's the best news I've heard all year! Thank you, Ron, for the trouble you took to write, and especially for sharing the informative response. Let's hope the sale goes through this time, and that the new owner is acquiring Woody's because he loves it.

Whoever you are in Texas, blessings on you!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Rae
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 07:21 PM

Whew!! What a relief that Woody's Cook-in sauce will live on. Thank you Ron for getting this information!! My Boyfriend uses it on his steaks, and let me tell you, they are not the same with out Woody's. I wonder how long it will take, until the grocery stores are stocking it again. I think I will talk to my local store manager, and ask them to order it....cant wait...cant wait!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 08:50 PM

Darn, this w/e isn't time for me to get a jar in the mail. I'll get Sorcha #2 made up, and mail a jar of each to Janet for the next time or for one of Bill's firehouse do's. Janet, do I have your snail mail? If not, please pm or e mail it. If you don't connect with SF Bill, I'll send him some too.

I gave away one of my real jars, so I'm down to 5 jars of the real stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 08:59 PM

Sorcha, This weekend doesn't look like happening, so don't fret.

I am still hoping we 3 Californians can all get together, since we're only 50 miles or so apart, but maybe at this point it will be a bit later in the year. That's OK, Woody's is a good cold-weather barbeque sauce too!

And who knows, by then maybe we'll have a new "real" Woody's to compare with as well!

I can't wait to get started on batch no. 3, with everything I've already used plus anchovies, onions, and yet more hickory.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 10:29 PM

Well, Isn't this an interesting development! I sure hope it's true! It sounds like it. I mean, if Reily Foods's Woody's wasn't moving so well in markets, why not sell it direct via the Internet? I mean, it can't be THAT difficult to make - We're getting close in our own kitchens!

A case in point: I'm a volunteer with the SFFD's volunteer disaster response organization. (Now you know how I have friends in Firehouses). I took to wearing their tee shirts and other gear - It's cool. Well, a very mean chief checked in a few years ago, and closed the source Firehouse. Now, my Firefighter friend couldn't sell his designs anymore.

Like my Woody's, I wanted my tee shirts! So I bought a bunch from my friend, and put them on the Internet. You know what? It worked out much better than expected! I run an actual business now, and have for over 6 years. It's not my day job, but have shipped gear all over the planet. I even sell a line of barbecue sauces! (San Francisco Firehouse - who would guess)?

Just saying, it's a new age! If the Supermarkets won't handle the product - the Internet will!

I'm still looking forward to a 'tasting' meet! I'm sure we are all interested in the tastes we have come up with! The only time I'll be unable to link up is Sept 14 - 21 - unless you want to meet at the Tower of London!

Keep your chin up and a stiff upper lip! Cheerio!

For taste exchanges, I certainly do have a snail mail address.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 10:32 PM

Bill Dude, are you MOVING into the Tower of London??????
Jee boy, I didn't think making bbq sauce would land you in that kind of trouble! LOL!

I have Janet's work addy, so Bill, please PM me YOUR mailing addy for some Sorcha's #1 and #2. I'm laid up for a couple weeks, but I think I can handle making this.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 10:59 PM

I was going to give my son a few my stashed jars for his Firehouse here in MA for a BBQ this week but, if you've seen the news, we lost a couple of Good Men last week and BBQ is real low on the totem pole.
Question now is...can "we", as a consumer group, convince retailers in our areas to carry the Woody's brand from the new owner. That also goes to the quwstion...will the new owner continue to market Woody's under the same name ? With the same recipe? (OK, no alligator poo)
I can only hope that the new owner(s) will be willing to let some of the people on this Blog help out with new marketing ideas.
We can only hope.
Still waiting for a "final" decision on the 3 recipes from Clair, Bill and Sorcha. I'll give the recipe to my son and let the whole firehouse "play".

Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 01:00 AM

Sorcha,

The work address is 2018 Oakdale Ave. San Francisco, CA 94124

Bryan,

I know what happened. My condolances. Let us know when food gets higher up on the priority list. Life, as we know, has to go on, and Companies have to back in service. It's just the way it is.

Now that a Texan is picking the brand up, forget the aligator poo, and think of armadillo...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Ron
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 02:55 PM

re: GUEST,JBryonB [wrote]"Question now is...can "we", as a consumer group, convince retailers in our areas to carry the Woody's brand ..."

Unfortunately, unless we learn the name of the Texan, the manufacturing company, or their distribution partners, convincing retailers is difficult. They usually work with set distributors/vendors and if those vendors don't have a purchasing agreement from a manufacturer...well, let's just say we won't see it next to KC Masterbeast on the shelf. Let's hope that this guy/company is connected and can get good distribution. OR is E-commerce savvy and can market through the internet.

Maybe Armadillo poo IS the secret ingredient Sorcha's recipe needs! =8-)

Good Luck all !!

[back to Lurker mode]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 03:10 PM

:p sticks tongue out at Ron the Lurker! LOL!

Naw, my 'laid up' isn't life threatening, just had some scar tissue scraped off my left ulnar nerve. Sore, but I'll live. Just can't lift much of anything for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 03:19 PM

Thank goodness for small injuries! Thought we were going to have to start another Mudcat Recovery Ward for a minute there.

I think I'll try making Batch 3 this weekend, and Janet and I are planning to exchange bottles tomorrow. I still hope we can plan a Cook-In Cook-Out sometime, with a few more of us in attendance.

Sorcha, do you Getaway?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 08 Sep 07 - 01:03 PM

Just refreshing, so that later when I have some time I can tell my fellow cooks about the "lightbulb moment" I had about the Woody's recipe at about 4:45 this morning. Gotta run -- more later.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,TwinMary
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 01:47 PM

Greetings from Texas - I too have been a loyal Woody's fan for many many years. Just recently we noticed the absence of Woody's on our grocery store shelves. I discovered your thread when I went in search of the Woody's manufacturer. I'll keep you posted when, hopefully soon, the Texan starts production of Woody's and it shows up on Texas grocery shelves.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 02:53 PM

Hello again -- Janet and I have exchanged sauces, and while neither of us is quite there, we're both headed in the right direction. Thanks, Janet -- it was fun!

Now for my insight: See, I've already put in more liquid smoke than should be there, volume-wise (according to the order the ingredients are listed in), and it's still not nearly enough.

So I was thinking about that in combination with what Ron reported Reily said; "We also lack the capability to produce Woody's in our own manufacturing facilities." I wondered, now why would that be? And then it hit me: I bet they smoke the sauce: Make up the recipe, pour it into shallow pans, and cool smoke it in a barbecue oven. I don't have one of those, but batch #3 is going to get "slow cooked" with indirect heat on the Weber, with hickory chips sprinkled on the charcoal every few minutes for as long as I can bear to stand in the yard overseeing the process. Maybe I can do that next weekend while I'm recuperating from the surgery. Gotta work today, more's the pity.

What do y'all think? Is that a possibility?

MichaelR, I have two bottles of batch #2 with your name on them, but didn't have time to drive to Sonoma County with them this weekend. Should I ship them? PM me an address if so.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,LaRee
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 03:33 PM

I was sickened to hear about Woody's being out of production. I hope the story about the Texas company is true and that the sauce is produced once more. I too live in New England, but grew up in Northern California. My family only used Woody's Cookin Sauce as our only BBQ sauce and even catsup for about 50 years. Since living up here in the northeast I would plan my vacations to locations I knew where I could locate Jars of the stuff. My next trip, in October, was to visit my family in Modesto, CA and to stock up on Woody's. Now I do not have a real reason to visit the family. I will still hunt the grocery stores in Southern California for any jars I can find. I have not given up hope on finding jars. After finding and reading this thread, 9 Sept 2007, I think I will also try the dollar stores while I am in the area. My last case had white ink silk screened on the jars. I never saw any with a paper label.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 04:48 PM

Shoulda figured. What better way to "cook" a Hickory flavored BBQ sauce than on a Hickory burning BBQ grill ! Should be interesting to hear about your results Clair.
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Deborah
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 02:18 AM

Wow - I found this thread when I went on-line to find the manufacturer of Woody's. I decided an urgent letter was needed! I am a Northern Cal resident and have grown up with Woody's. I have been waiting for its return to the shelves and didn't realize until chancing upon this thread that we were in real danger of losing Woody's forever! Thank you to all of the creative chefs with your terrific abilities to recreate the recipe. I have copied each and every one of your recipes so that I may recreate this unbeatable sauce in the event that....dare I even write it? With this Texas glimmer of hope, my fingers are crossed that we will see Woody's in production again soon. I guess I didn't realize I was in such good company; thank you for all of your comments!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 04:43 PM

Claire, what a brainstorm!

I happen to have a smoker and a bag of hickory chunks. I want to try out your idea and have PM'd you my address.

Welcome, Deborah! Another NorCal Woody's fan to include in our cook-in cook-out. Let's do it soon, before the weather changes!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 10:14 PM

OK On my Webber...
Indirect heat (low ?) w/soaked Hickory chips. Sauce in a shallow (2")
pan ? Slow cook as per previous recipes ? (The way I do Brisket w/Woody's)

Too much time, too many questions, too little sauce ! LOL

Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 01:52 AM

That's what I would do, Bryan. Low and slow, as barbecue should be.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 11:20 PM

Hmmm.....I'm not sure about this smoker thing. Is there such a thing as 'smoke flavoured oil'????

Or would trying to smoke the oil just catch it on fire?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:30 AM

Well, Sorcha, I shipped much of my batch #2 to MichaelR, who has a cool smoker and is going to test my theory this weekend. I'm sure he'll let us know how/whether it works.

Smoking the oil doesn't sound like a good idea to me -- not sure why, it's just an instinct. But to answer your last question, with a true cool smoking process, where the heat source is far removed, laterally, from the item being smoked, fire shouldn't be a problem.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:41 PM

I'd say Claire just about has it nailed! Her batch #2 is really, really close in flavor and identical in aroma. I think it may be missing some coarse-ground black pepper.

Here's the thing about smoking foods: Real barbecue is cooked over a long period of time, at low temperature (around 200*), using hardwood chunks or logs and/or lump charcoal made from hardwood, such as hickory, mesquite, apple, cherry and others.

Liquid smoke flavoring came about because most folks don't have a wood-smoking barbecue pit, or the time to spend 20 hours cooking a brisket. Liquid smoke is condensation collected from the inside of wood-smokers. Since there is already a lot of it in Claire's sauce (as in Woody's), putting it in the smoker may be too much of a good thing. But I think it's worth a go, and will keep you posted on the results.

It may be worth our while to make one of our faux-Woody's recipes minus the liquid smoke, and running it through the smoker, but I don't know when I'll have time for that - several festival weekends coming up.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Pat Shaw
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 10:06 PM

Folks,
I emailed Luzzianne about the sauce. As stated in an early message from them they want to sell the brand. I own a company and asked what they wanted for the brand...........no reply....strange that I could not get $ figure. They are not very professional.

How has the reproduction of this sauce worked out? I was going to do it but do not want to duplicate efforts.

I have some bottles I would be happy to share for those of you who can't get it. The date code is July 2008. My office is 860 742 8683. Please do not abuse this or I will simply screen and change it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Ron
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 05:52 PM

To: GUEST,Pat Shaw
Not surprised you didn't get an answer. I'm sure that at the least, they would want you to sign a "non-disclosure" agreement (after all...they're trying to establish what the brand is worth - specially when combined with the recipe). Second, they will want to know that you are serious..there's alot of scrupulous people that can (mis)use that information.
Your lawyer would know how to open the communication....

(btw.. they're already in the process of finalizing the sale; they may be legally bound to not discuss it until all is said and done - whether the sale goes through or not.)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 10:46 PM

I plan to start Sorcha/Woody#2 tomorrow. Any tips from anybody? MichaelR says Claire has pretty much nailed it...is that the latest recipe posted by Claire?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 11:01 PM

Last I read (heard) was the possibility of "smoking" the recipe, PRIOR to adding liquid smoke. Slow cook recipe (smoke), then taste.
Add liquid smoke later as/if needed.
That's the way I understand what's happened so far w/ taste tests and theory so far.
Awaiting West Coast verification and approval before I begin squeezing the alligator, 'possum, and armodillo for further testing.
Kidding!!
Bryan

Hickory and a Webber are cheaper, and the "test" smells here in NE. will make my neighbors envious for BBQ this Fall & Winter !!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 11:54 PM

Nebraska? Where in Nebraska? I'm north of Cheyenne, WY.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 11:51 AM

I wouldn't exactly say I've nailed it -- clearly I didn't, as my recipe lacks onion and anchovy -- and the tahini came up too much in the flavor as it aged, so I need to cut that back a bit. But it does taste really close. Maybe 90%? MichaelR, who has a cool smoker, is planning to smoke my Knock-Off #2, maybe this weekend, and I believe he'll let us know how close it comes then. As Bryan points out, it would be better to smoke it before adding Liquid Smoke, but it's too late for that with this batch.

When I have more energy (i.e., when I'm not doped up on post-op pain meds and antobiotics), I'm going to try again, with anchovy, onion, and indirect heat on the Weber fired with hickory -- then Liquid Smoke to fill out the flavor. We'll see then if I can get closer. But I'm afraid it won't happen this weekend -- I feel lousy, AND I'm not supposed to have anything acid.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 11:55 AM

N.E. (New England) oops sorry !

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 01:10 PM

SorchaWoody's #2 in the slow cooker. Used Claire's latest recipe, and added anchovies, onion powder, and some other stuff. Plan to 'process' this one so it can be shipped. Will post results and recipe when it's done.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 02:07 PM

And, since I can't get tahini I used sesame seed oil...just a scant 1/4 cup....just tasted it (yea, I know, it's not done yet) and I just might have nailed it this time!!!

(Note to self--find tamarind paste without seeds in, order from Internet)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 09:48 PM

Sorcha, yes, I believe that's Claire's latest recipe.

Claire, I hope you're recovering without too much pain. I must say I don't get tahini flavor from your batch -- might be a taste bud deficiency on my part.

I didn't get around to firing up the smoker this weekend -- sorry -- but will try as soon as poss.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 11:29 PM

I'm finally getting around to trying the Faux Woody's that Claire so graciously dropped off last week. I agree with Michael that she pretty much has it nailed - the right saltiness for sure and closer than mine on the hickory flavor. I think mine might be a tad closer on the pepperiness, though.

They're both decent substitutes, but I'd split my vote 60% to Claire's & 40% to mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 04:36 PM

Claire's Woody's Knockoff #2

(note: ounce measurements are by volume, not weight)

18 oz. (2-1/4 c.) water
18 oz. (2-1/4 c.) tomato paste
13 oz. (1-5/8 c.) distilled vinegar
9 oz. (1-1/8 c.) wine vinegar
8 oz. (1 c.) canola oil
5 oz. (5/8 c.) Stubb's hickory seasoning
4 oz. (1/2 c.) cider vinegar
4 oz. (1/2 c.) tamarind paste (Golchin brand from India)
4 oz. (1/2 c.) black pepper
3.5 oz. (7/16 c.) Wright's Liquid Smoke, hickory flavor
2 oz. (1/4 c.) Wright's Liquid Smoke, mesquite flavor
   (I would have used more hickory instead, but I was fresh out)
2 oz. (1/4 c.) worcestershire sauce
2 oz. (1/4 c.) regular paprika
1 oz. (1/8 c.) sweet smoked paprika
2 oz. (1/4 c.) sugar, caramelized to medium-dark brown
2 oz. (1/4 c.) soya sauce
2 oz. (1/4 c.) sesame tahini
2 oz. (1/4 c.) garlic powder
3 oz. (3/8 c.) salt
1 oz. (1/8 c.) instant coffee (I used Medaglia d'Oro)
2 tsp. powdered chipotle pepper
1 tsp. dry mustard
1/2 tsp. allspice
2 bay leaves

OK, this is Sorcha #2…..the above with the following differences:
12 oz tomato paste
6 oz water (one paste can full)
NO cider vinegar, so I used ½ cup (4 oz) lemon juice
¼ cup hickory smoked salt, Schilling but I think they might have quit
        making it
I can't get Stubbs anything here so I left out the mesquite smoke.
        (I'm also out of the mesquite powder I used, but have more on order)
2 oz tin of anchovy filets with the oil, not even minced
No tahini paste so I used 1/8th cup of sesame oil
1 Tablespoon (not 1 tsp like Claire's) dry mustard
2 fl. oz bottle of regular Tabasco red
1 tsp ground cayenne pepper
¼ cup onion powder
1 Tbsp regular sweet paprika, and I don't have any smoked paprika, so it was
        left out
1 Tablespoon celery salt
1 Tablespoon celery seed powder

Next post will be both of these combined so it is easier to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 04:46 PM

THIS is what I actually did, much easier to follow than the above:

Sorch Woody's Number 2


12 oz tomato paste
6 oz water
13 oz. (1-5/8 c.) distilled vinegar
9 oz. (1-1/8 c.) wine vinegar
8 oz. (1 c.) canola oil
½ cup lemon juice
4 oz. (1/2 c.) cider vinegar
4 oz. (1/2 c.) tamarind paste (mine has seeds in, still in there!)
4 oz. (1/2 c.) black pepper
3.5 oz. (7/16 c.) Wright's Liquid Smoke, hickory flavor
2 oz. (1/4 c.) worcestershire sauce
2 oz. (1/4 c.) regular paprika
2 oz. (1/4 c.) sugar, caramelized to medium-dark brown
2 oz. (1/4 c.) soya sauce
1/8th cup of sesame oil, fairly dark
2 oz. (1/4 c.) garlic powder
3 oz. (3/8 c.) salt
1 oz. (1/8 c.) instant coffee,Folgers
2 tsp. powdered chipotle pepper
1 tsp ground cayenne pepper
1 Tbsp dry mustard
(1) 2 fl. oz regular red Tabasco
2 bay leaves
¼ cup hickory smoked salt, Schilling but I think they might have quit
        making it
2 oz tin of anchovy filets with oil, not even minced
¼ onion powder
1 Tablespoon celery salt
1 Tablespoon celery seed powder

My question NOW is, WHO should I send a jar of this to? It only made 3 1/2 pints. Where would be the easiest to send it, so that you West Coasters can all taste it?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 07:44 PM

Sorcha, I'd be happy to volunteer. I'll PM you an address.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 09:28 PM

OK, Claire's addy arrived.

NOTICE TO ALL CA CATTERS!

I'm mailing Claire a pint of my latest effort. Contact HER for a tasting get together...cause I won't be there.

I think this batch may be a bit too picante, but the cayenne could be left out, the Tabasco halved, lots of things to fix too picante.

Hey, Bill, where you go? Hope we didn't scare you off!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Bryan
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 10:56 PM

Anyone attempt the "smoker" yet ? Got a coupla empty Woody's jars that could use filling for an East Coast test.

No alligator/armadillo poo required

Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 10:27 AM

Claire -

I'd love to participate in a test. Unfortunately, I'm out of town both this weekend & next - actually, I'll be back around 9:00 next Sat. night   (9/28), so Sunday might work.

Let me know.

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 10:48 AM

Bryan, MichaelR is planning to try the smoker, but his band have got a lot of gigs just now and he hasn't had the time. I hope to hear soon.

I'm trying to get together a cook-in cook-out here in the SF Bay Area...MichaelR, SFBill, any thoughts on that? Janet's maybe free on September 29; what about y'all -- and have you any thoughts on a venue?

I'm near Santa Cruz, so I'm geographically inconvenient, but I'd be happy to host if called on to do so. Alternatively, we might settle on a park somewhere central -- like, say, the northern peninsula area.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Rae
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 06:56 PM

Hey Everyone!

I talked to Reily Foods, and they indicated that there is a NEW OWNER who is as passionate as you all are about Woody's cook-in sauce. The new owner will start producing Woody's in the next couple of weeks and should be available to consumers soon thereafter. I was advised that the best way to get Woody's cook-in sauce is to ask your local grocery manager to restock or to carry it. I'll keep you posted when I hear more.

HOORAY!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!
WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!! WOODY'S IS BACK!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 07:11 PM

By the way, welcome home, SanFranciscoBill! Did you find any good barbecue in London?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 07:13 PM

Oh my goodness, Rae! That makes me ever so happy!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 07:38 AM

Does this mean we stop trying? (grin.......)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 08:03 AM

I keep reading the thread title of this thread as Woody's Cock in Sauce!
It must be my mind.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 09:48 AM

Hi Claire and all!

Yes, I am back from London, despite United Airlines best efforts to keep me there! As you can tell from the time of this posting, my sense of time is still a bit out of whack, but not TOO badly!

As far as culinary finds is concerned, no, I did not find any straggling bottles of Woody's on the shelves, but I did find something interesting. HP (Houses of Parliment) sauce is very popular there - It's close to our A-1 sauce here. In addition to their regular sauce, they have a BBQ sauce and one called "Fruity". I brought some back but haven't tasted it yet - has to be sealed for customs you know. If it's good, we may have another duplication effort on our hands!   

I did find rare Roast Beef this time, at a Pub called "Arthur". Very Good. You cannot use the term "Prime Rib" there - they don't know what you're talking about!

I did take a trip to Hampton Court Castle - the court of Henry VIII. It's kitchen is where Roast Prime Rib and Yorkshire Pudding were developed. They keep the fire burning and I was able to touch the original roasting racks! I now know what a Moslem must feel like when he visits Mecca!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Janet
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 09:53 AM

Glad that Woody's is back, but I think we should keep trying so we're not caught short again.

Claire, I think I mis-spoke - I think Sunday is the 30th, not the 29th. Whichever date it is, I'm not available until Sunday.

Janet

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 05:46 PM

Besides, it's FUN!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,OMG... NO WOODY'S!
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 09:29 PM

I'm crushed! We have ONE BOTTLE LEFT! I am hoping that the end of this thread reveals a close recipe! I will email/call/and generally ANNOY the company ... I have relatives in New Orleans that have "connections..." :) maybe we could stir something up?

Good luck everyone!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 10:03 PM

Look, Guest, OMG...we have SEVERAL close enough for horseshoes recipes on this thread. Did you actually bother to READ it?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Sep 07 - 01:01 AM

Also Sorcha, I too get annoyed at these "Johnny-Come-Lately's" who didn't even bother to read that Woody's is allegedly COMING BACK - in the post a few above...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,cook'n cath
Date: 23 Sep 07 - 07:39 PM

Hi:
I have just finished reading and scanning all the posts so far re Woody's Cook-In Sauce, and all the attempts to replicate the original recipe. Thank you for your efforts! I pray that the Texan will get it out to all the die-hard Woody's fans sooner than later. From my own experience with starting a business, it very well could take more a few weeks to get it up and running.

My husband has a brisket on the smoker now. He found two other sauces at the grocery, but I didn't think either one were close to Woody's taste. We had to have something, but didn't have either enough notice nor time to try any of the above recipes. I will keep my ears open and if I hear anything (I live in Louisiana about 15 minutes from the Texas border), I will let y'all know.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 11:48 AM

Thank you, Cath -- a local information source could be a very valuable commodity! I hope your brisket was edible ... and that the next one you smoke will be wonderfully redolent of Woody's.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Fresno Bob
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 02:00 PM

Issue resolved I hope !!!

Just received this::\


September 24, 2007



Dear Bob


Thank you for your message and for your interest in Woody's sauces.



Wonderful news! The sale of the Woody's sauces has gone through. The new owner is:



Woody's Foods Ltc.

P.O. Box 34477

Reno, NV 89523-9998

Email – [e-mail]





Please feel free to contact them with questions concerning availability – I know they will be very to hear from you.



We thank you once again for your loyalty and apologize for the inconvenience.    Please feel free to contact us with any questions concerning Reily Foods products – www.luzianne.com.



Sincerely yours,

Sherry Stewart

Reily Foods Company

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie in CA
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 08:02 PM

Oh this is wonderful news. I hope it doesn't take too long before we start seeing it on the supermarket shelves. If any of you come across it, let the rest of us know. I hope they don't change the packaging too much. I like to slather it on with a pastry brush and that is difficult to do if it's in a bottle with a narrow opening. Plus, with the bizillion other sauces out there, the old jar was easy to spot on the shelf.

I like the new address of the company. Reno is only about 3 hours north of me so if I have to drive there to get it, I can.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 08:41 PM

Well, Max better hang this Trophy over the mantel piece now, I suppose... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 09:18 PM

WOW !!
Hopefully that last post will be true to us all. (Are there alligators/armodillos in NM ?) LOL
Sorcha...I sold out my reserve today.....(kinda, whew)
Claire/Micheal/Sorcha.......I'm waiting for the "closest" recipe from you guys so that I can "cook" it outside. I usually do a Webber Brisket for Thanksgiving along w/a Turkey. The whole neighborhood ends up smelling WONDERFULL !!
Want to start a week early and "Cook" the Faux "Woody's" outside just to confuse and prepare the neighbors.
Just checked out the website and it's still awaiting activation. Based on the letters from Reilly that we've all gotten before..maybe we ALL need to talk to the smaller outlets in our areas to provide a future for this product?
By the way....any Mudcats appearing here in the Boston area?

This IS/has been fun !!
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 08:55 AM

Bryan - lots of MudCats in the Boston Area

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Fresno Bob
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 09:01 AM

Then they sent me this:


Dear Mr. _____,

Yes, Woody's Foods is the new owner of the world's famous cookin sauce!
We are working diligently at getting the sauce back onto shelves at your local grocery store.
To expedite this process, please contact your local grocer to ensure Woody's will be available for purchase.
As always, Woody's will continue to have the same quality ingredients and packaging.
We will notify you by email when Woody's becomes available.

Thank you for your patience and support.

Sincerely,
Woody's foods

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,A FELLOW COOK
Date: 25 Sep 07 - 02:52 PM

Woody's has been sold and will soon start production again!!! Start calling your local grocery store or email the new company: [e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,I just received this about Woody's
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 03:30 PM

Dear Katherine,
Thank you for your message and for your interest in Woody's sauces.

We discontinued the production of the Woody's sauces earlier in the year; we recently sold the brand and recipe to:

Woody's Foods Ltd.
PO Box 34477
Reno, NV 89523-9998

Email address – [e-mail]
Please feel free to contact them with questions concerning availability – I know they will be very to hear from you.



We thank you once again for your loyalty and apologize for the inconvenience.    Please feel free to contact us with any questions concerning Reily Foods products – www.luzianne.com.



Sincerely yours,

Brenda Macaluso

Consumer Affairs Manager

Reily Foods Company

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 03:45 PM

uh-huh! that information was posted two days ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 04:40 PM

Well, we cook ins are having fun anyway! I mailed a jar of my #2 attempt to Claire. She is still trying to set up a taste in.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Guest, Fresno Mike
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 12:57 AM

I've been following this thread from the first message, and am absolutely estatic about the re-emergence of the brand. I think the several regulars on this thread should be gratefully acknowledged for their efforts in both hounding reily foods, and also for the recipe trials. Thank you very much!

(what actually got me to finally post here was reading a user's name as "Fresno Bob". Hmmm...that hits kinda close to home!)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Retirednow3
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 12:06 AM

Any more news from louseanne about the recipe for woodys..... I have sent several emails, and have also stopped buying any louseanne products, until we get the recipe or they resume production. I have used woodys for years here in Roswell New Mexico,,,,,and now can't get it either. I will keep reading the threads to hear if anyone has had any luck.....and I'll keep sending more emails to.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 07:01 PM

Well, I finally got around to smoking Claire's Faux Woody's #2 today, giving it (and a 12-pound brisket) 5 hours under hickory smoke. I can't say the result is an unqualified success -- it intensified the sharpness and smokiness of the flavor, but the sauce tastes less like Woody's now than it did before.

Oh well, it was worth a try. It'll be good on the brisket.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 11:06 PM

NOOOO !!
Back to basic alligator seasoning? Cant help but think that the "basic" is a dry seasoning, heated low w/a liquid base....reduced. Then ...add fluids. (Louisanna swamp water & alligator poo ?) DON'T forget crushed peppers and crawdads. OKRA ??
BACON FAT ??
LOL...
Sorsha, Claire ??

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Sep 07 - 11:31 PM

I mailed a jar of my #2 to Claire. It should have arrived by now. It smells right, but we were rather dissapointed in the taste. Pretty sure no okra or bacon fat! LOL!

I'll see what the others say when they open it. Sure wish I could be there for the Taste In!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,neil
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 10:00 AM

If you look at the sodium amout oon the woody's jar a 2 Tbls. serving contains 490 mg sodium @ 11 servings per jar = 5390 mgs sodium per 13 oz jar. Table salt is roughly 2325 mgs per tbls. soy sauce is about 1160 mgs per tbls. The sharp bite in woody's is the sodium content so if you make 3 pints you would have to add around 18865 mgs sodium a little over 8 tbls. salt or 16 tbls soy sauce or a combination of the two since they are both listed on the label. I think the caramel color is kitchen bouquet as it list spices and sodium benzoate as a preservative hope this might help

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,bob browning
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 11:18 AM

Woody's Cookin Sauce has been sold to a start up company called Woody's Foods PO Box 34477 Reno Nevada 89523-9998 email address [e-mail]. They have just started production and need to get the product out and back on grocery shelves. It has been discontinued by most chains so please forward this information and ask your local store manager to get it authorized and order some.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,MRMog
Date: 01 Oct 07 - 10:10 PM

Earlier I had both an e-mail response and a phone call returned from the folks at Reily. While neither responded to my question why production was halted (except to say it was "a business decision")a local retailer here in Northern California told us they had received a letter informing them that the product should be pulled from shelves because of lead in the paint used in packaging, i.e. the bottle and lid.

This explains the sudden disappearance of a seemingly successful product, though the method is odd...why not use new packaging and continue? (I know, liability issues, but those would seem to remain.)

Anyway, glad to learn that the deal to re-launch Woody's is done and we'll see our treasured sauce back on the shelves...not sure we can barbecue chicken without it! (Marinate with Woody's, garlic salt and sherry.)

However, no reply to an inquiry regarding the safety of existing stocks of Woody's for those of us with a bottle or two left.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 06:54 AM

That sounds suspicious, I wouldn't send that amount of money...

It was spam and so deleted.
- el joe clone -

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 03:27 PM

The (supposedly) lead-containing ink is on the outside of the jar, no? I don't see that as a concern, unless you're in the habit of licking drips off the side of the jar.

Had a great slow-smoked brisket yesterday, along with Claire's Faux Woody's. Yumm!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 03:34 PM

Michael, I'm delighted to hear that your lack of enthusiasm for the sauce after smoking it didn't extend to the brisket. Phew!

Sorcha, I received your sause safely but haven't opened it yet; I figured I should wait until I at least knew when the cook-in is going to happen. Though, honestly, I think all that vinegar and salt will prederve it just fine, even unsealed.

Anyway, thank you (!!!) -- and let me know if you'd rather I went ahead and tasted.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 07:17 PM

Claire, it was still a great sauce... just a bit less Woody-like. UPS is bringing you back a bottle, so you can judge for yourself.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 07:29 PM

Claire, I agree about the salt, vinegar, etc. If you want to open it and taste it raw, go ahead....but I'd still keep it in the fridge after that. Glad it arrived jarus intactus.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,neil
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 08:36 PM

Thats alright woody's can come and go again I got it pegged

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 09:36 PM

Well, then neil, care to enlighten the rest of us cooks?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 02 Oct 07 - 10:33 PM

I've informed family members down the East coast,( AL, CO, MD, NC & Texas (all of whom I sent back-up supplies) concerning the possible re-issue of Woody's.
I'm awaiting "formal" announcement plus availability of the sauce prior to banging the drum at my suppliers of the past.
In the meantime Sorcha, ClaireBear & Micheal....keep it up and keep us posted on you're results.
I'm still waiting bto hear about the "smoker" idea.
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 12:11 AM

Just back from a run to the family cabin at Lake Tahoe. Score! There was a bottle of Woody's - with the original painted bottle - hidden in the locked closet!

I notice that the Woody's website is still inactive, and none of the stores at LT have it in stock. Reno to Tahoe isn't that far of a run, is it?

One would figure that someone that paid money for the brand and recipe would be anxious to promote it.....

For MrMog: If you read back, the lead issue in the Woody's labeling was handled some time ago, and the newer replacements had white print on clear plastic labels - so the lead problem was solved, well before Reily Foods discontinued the product. Therefore, lead was NOT the reason the product was discontinued. I believe the original explination - "It wasn't selling like it used to". With a zero advertising budget for the last 50 years - who could have possibly seen THAT coming?

The newer labels no longer showed the presence of Tamarinds or Anchovy. It introduced corn syrup for the first time, and a much less presence of sugar.

My theory is that the Tamarinds and Anchovy were replaced by "Flavors" from a chemical plant, which is a popular thing for food makers to do these days.

One other thing I noticed is that the printing on the bottles. The new "sticker" labels have about 15% SMALLER type than the painted ones. It's almost like they wanted LESS attention on store shelves.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Georgia Girl
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 02:10 PM

Lots of dedication from ya'll sauce fans and a lot of hard work went into what I've been following on the Woody's thread (as a home-canner, my hat is off to all that tried for a duplicate recipe, safe canning process, etc.).

Just a note to add to the "Woody's resurrection saga" that I've so enjoyed reading about... Don't know if this may be old news or not, but I emailed the "[e-mail]" address and got this auto reply today:

"Dear Woody's Consumer,

Woody's Foods is now the new owner of the world famous WOODY'S Cook-in' and Sweet 'n Sour BBQ and Marinade Sauces. We are working diligently in getting WOODY'S sauces back onto your neighborhood grocery shelves within the next few weeks. To expedite this process, please contact your local grocer to ensure WOODY'S will be available to you.

Woody's Foods will continue with the same traditional quality ingredients and containers you have become accustomed to.

We will notify you by email when Woody's sauces are available.

Thank you for your patience and support!

Sincerely,

Consumer Affairs
Woody's Foods"

I'm assuming from the email content, that my address has been added to their list of consumer fans eagerly awaiting notification of the release of the new production line for purchase (I had requested info on both south GA retail locations, and possible online consumer purchase resources - but it WAS just an auto reply, so I'll continue to hold my breath, and taste buds, a little longer in hopes of a more personal and specific communique).

Best of luck to all who worked hard to keep the Woody's flame burning bright.

A BBQ fan~~~gg

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,r. farrell
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 03:49 PM

i also e-mailed Woody's Foods, now in Reno, NV, and got the same auto-reply others have rec'd. they don't say when production will start (they say in a few weeks, but how long that message has been running we don't know) also, no phone number according to Reno directory assistance.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 04:47 PM

When I e-mailed, I suggested to the autoresponder at Woody's Foods that they post an announcement on this thread when the new Woody's is actually in production.

I would think it would be better to ask one's grocery store chain to stock the product once there's actually a product for it to stock. At least, If I were Safeway or Raleys buyer, I would think I would be annoyed if I were pressed to contact a company about stocking a product only to find out, upon contacting it, that there is no product yet...

Or, on the other hand, does a start-up company like the new Woody's need to have Safeway and Raleys orders on the books before they will go into production?

What do you all think?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 06:57 PM

Guest JBryanB -- see my post from Sept. 30.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 07:38 PM

I don't know, Claire, but I can ask at my grocery store.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,neil
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 08:22 PM

WOODY'S

As I stated earlier the sodium (salt) is the biggest factor in the sauce (gives that first bite when placed to the tongue) as well to make the sauce be absorbed into the meat. I can take a 30 lb ham and salt cure it for 21 days and it will be flavored to the bone with salt or flavor of any others seasonings mix with. Now on my jar of 2005 woody's ingredients in order are as listed: Water, Tomato Paste, Soybean Oil, White and Wine Vinegar, Hickory Smoke, Spices, Salt, Sugar, Caramel Color, Anchovies, Onions, Tamarinds, Flavoring, Xanthan Gum, Potassium Sorbate and less than 1% Sodium Benzoate and red #40 .
Now you say salt is # 7 on the list but if you are measuring by liquid weight that's about where it will end up. The one before it is spices, well of coarse by the time you add ground mustard, ground celery seed (bitter seasonings) and so forth you will come up with a higher volume. Then you have soy sauce after salt well we all know what soy sauce has in it? Caramel coloring as I stated earlier this is Kitchen Bouquet as the ingredients list: onions and about 5 other veggies and sodium benzoate. Anchovies, onions and Tamarinds are at the end of the list along with the amount of potassium sorbate less than 0.1% so that tells me these are the ingredient of Worcestershire sauce.
There's no need for extra tamarind as some had guessed. The other thing it does not need slow cooking for long period, brings the tomato flavor out. I don't add any thickeners, Preservatives' or colorants. For added bitterness Snake root can be added. All you have to do is break it down as as what wasent done before look at the nutri. facts on the jar! Hope this helps Neil

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,neil
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 08:27 PM

I will post the recipe soon as I get the pepper issue down

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 01:32 AM

Thanks Neil. I'm looking forward to your recipe and seeing how it jibes with mine and the ladies'. My #2 cook recipe is now way back there, is close, but no cigar.

It's worthy of note that your ingredient label is different than mine with a July 2008 "Best By" date. Mine says: Water, tomato paste, soybean oil, vinegar, spices, liquid hickory smoke, high fruitcose corn syrup, salt, garlic powder, sugar, flavoring, hydrolyzed soy protein, potassium sorbate as a preservative, caramal color, sodium benzotate as a preservative, zanathan gum, and red 40.

There were some changes made indeed!

My Tahoe find - Identified only as "26223" has the following: Water, tomato paste, Soybean oil, white and wine vinegars, Hickory smoke, Salt, Sugar, Soy Sauce, caramel color, Anchovies, onions, Tamarinds, Flavoring, Xanathan Gum, Potasium Sorbate and less than 0.1% of Sodium benzotate as preservatives and FD&C No. 40.

No Garlic powder listed on the older label, and no anchovies, tamarinds nor onions listed on the newer one. Interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 10:14 AM

Woody's Cook-in Sauce (Knock-off)

Place in saucepan:

½ cp Wine Vinegar
1 ½ White Vinegar
2 Tbls. Dry Mustard
6 Tbls.Liquid Smoke Hickory
3 Tbls. Kosher Salt
8 Tbls. Soy Sauce
4 Tbls. Worcestershire Sauce
2 Tbls. Onion Powder
2Tbls. Garlic Powder
2 Tbls. Kitchen Bouquet
1 Tbls. Parika
1 Tbls. Chili Powder
Mix well and simmer to reduce to ¾ original volume or cook off ¼ original volume lower heat then add (be careful of fumes will take your breath away!)
3-6 oz. Cans tomato paste
2 Tbls. Karo Syrup
4 Tbls. Canola Oil
1 Tbls. Fine Grind Black Pepper
Mix well with wire whisk after smooth add while mixing about 2 ½ cups water
Don't simmer as this to me makes the tomato over powering
Hope I didnt leave anything out
A note to critics please be nice as I have worked on this for days
Thanks Neil

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 10:17 AM

*grin* now I wonder how many of you will prefr you "substitute" once the new product is on the shelves? I bet there are a few!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:06 PM

As long as it takes to get the real thing back. Challenges are a good thing if it wasn't for blog such as this the importance of this product would have never been taken to this level, and the most important thing is the way myself and others here have learned to make a copycat version of a great sauce as a matter of fact I have come up with a few other recipes while trial and error of the copycat. Just keep cookin folks its becoming a dieing art !
Thanks Neil

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 01:50 AM

Neil,

An interesting approach, taking the essence of all the recipes. How does the final product taste, and what role does the kitchen bouquet and paprika play? That's new....

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 03:34 PM

The kitchen bouquet is the carmel coloring along with some veggie essents the paprika has a sweet bitter taste I also increased the liquid smoke to a whole 4z bottle

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:17 PM

I put in my first recipe, browning sauce, which is Kitchen Bouquet and Claire and I both use paprika. I also used an entire bottle of smoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 04:40 PM

And I used two bottles of it, or more!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:53 AM

What was the amount of the finish product quarts pints?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 07:55 AM

I got about 4 1/2-5 pints.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 09:04 AM

Thats about how much I yeilded and I kept going back and forth from mine to the original woody's and it really seemed that the smoke flavoring in the woody's was quite a bit stronger kind of like that fealing you get from horseradish (nasal rush) if you know what I mean. I consumed so much salt that day it probably raised my B.P..My next batch will be the same with more smoke I'll reduce the first ingredient more to intensify the smoke, vinegar? It looks like the word about Woody's hasen't got to Ebayer's the price is still high!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Wanda
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 06:32 PM

Thank you all so much for the information about Woody's return and the ripoff recipes as well. I have just used the last of my hoarded bottles and was in a serious funk over how I could possibly cook without my favorite sauce. I will contact my local Safeway This is such good news!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 06:58 PM

Ripoff?? I BEG your pardon!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 11:02 PM

Neil,

How did it TASTE?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 12:11 AM

"RIP OFF !!!"
When the company takes a nosedive..and authentic patrons attempt to rectify the situation through phone calls and e-mails, from WA, NB, CA,MN, MA, NC....awe heck..everyhere......WITH NO ANSWER ????
Whatever, the recipes you may see here are DEFINATELY NOT rip offs !!
If you would take the time to read the posts, you would understand that ANY attempts to "Copy" this recipe have only been a result of a lazy attitude from Reily Foods and all inquiries from Customers and Suppliers concerning the future of Woody's.
When NO answers were given, and the future unsure, any attempts to reproduce a "DEAD" product are most assuredly NOT "rip offs".
Sorry...just tired of seeing "dumb" responses here.

By the way..I'll be in Mobile and Southern Louisianna in a week or so and, I'm gonna research my Alligator poo idea (LOL)

Read the past posts to figure That one out !!

Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 10 Oct 07 - 07:24 AM

Had a Job interveiw yesterday will try to whip up today after I take my son to DMV, I'd rather have nail driven in my head than to go there but what can you do? Wiil post results Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,neil (Tricked by list of ingredients?)
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 12:11 PM

Hey SFB
One thing I left out of my last recipe post was water, witch is good! I was thinking on the water as the first ingredient should have the highest amount but think about it their's water in all the liquid ingredient added. I thaught about this when I was reducing my vinegar, what good is this doing when I'm goinna add more water to it? Well enough of the B.S. if anyone wants to try it here it is:
3/4 cp wine vinegar
2 cps white vinegar
8 zs liquid hickory smoke
3 tbls. kosher salt
6 tbls. soy sauce
4 tbls. worch. sauce
1 tbls. celery seed (I might leave this out next time sems to have a over powering after taste)
2tbls. onion powder
2 tbls. garlic powder
1 tbls. paprika
1 tbls. chili powder
2tbls. karo syrup
4 tbls. peanut oil
let simmer for about an hour then add 2-6 z cans tomato paste whisk well and it's done no water it looks brownish so maybe this is where the red food color comes in. It taste pretty good to me hey I might jar it up and sell road side as                                     *NEILLY'S FAMOUS FOR NOTHIN COOKIN SAUCE*

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 04:45 PM

If you use peanut oil, be SURE to tell the people who are going to eat it! There might be a peanut allergy in the house! Almost any other mild oil would be better.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 11 Oct 07 - 08:16 PM

I agree I prefer canola

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell, Fortuna, Ca
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 02:23 PM

Thank you all. Been following this thread since early sept. and have been copying all of your recipes. I have one bottle left and am anxiously waiting for a recipe you all consider "spot on".
I'm no chef by all means. That's why I use woody's. All of you ARE chefs. That's why you create woody's
I had to try the "Woody-Mary" before my last bottle disappers, and ...well... it wasn't bad.
Thanks again. Darrell

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 02:38 PM

Darrell -- Goodness, you're brave! The oil must have made for an interesting drink.

I wonder if it would be worth making a batch with no oil just for mixed-drink purposes? Must ponder that...

Has anyone spotted new bottles of Woody's on store shelves? I asked the nice anonymous e-mail recipient at Woody's Foods to post to this thread when the product is actually in production, but I have no idea if they will. After all, why would they want to communicate with scores of loyal Woody's fans at once?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 03:27 PM

Oh. BTW, I'm just a guest. So I won't go stabbing at Martha. It's not my place. But, she really did seem sincere. Could have been a brain-fart. Knock-off...ripoff.
Well...She got the subtle hint. To bad, she could have been a great asset to this thread.
Oh well. Sorcha, Claire, Bill and all; Keep up the good work. All of us lurking in the background really DO appreciate your work!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 04:31 PM

Darrell,
Tell me about this woody mary sounds interesting

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 04:55 PM

PLEASE tell me that Mary doesn't have a 'woody'?????? ROF!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 05:22 PM

LOL Here we go again !!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 05:29 PM

Hey, Neil.

I don't remember who mentioned the "Woody mary" or the "Bloody Woody" But I did remember that it had Woody's in it. I didn't add pepper, as Woody's has lots of it. And I LOVE the smoke!
Maybe if I added tomato juice it would be more acceptable to the normal bloody mary drinker,but I don't know. I just love Woody's
If you think of a way that Woody's can be incorporated into a real drink.. That would be way cool.
Being from WAY way northern Ca. We don't have access to alligator poo or armadillo puree but if you can come up with essence of Sasquatch extract that would be a hit on the north coast.
Anyway the Woody Mary was good for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 12 Oct 07 - 08:25 PM

Hey, I'm on it! I'm firing up the still tomorrow to make Neutral spirits (vodka)I make some good peppermint schnapps kalua and not to mention some good sippin whiskey. When you live in the middle of nowhere Mississippi you got to stay busy somehow. And anyway I said woody mary not Mary woody sounds like some of yall are like me mind in the gutter and way to much time on your hands? Hey Darrell I got a few bottles of Woody's they Exp. Sept. 2007 I'll let go for 2.50 plus shipping hey theirs nothing wrong with them. Let me know

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Neil, Where's the Woody's
Date: 16 Oct 07 - 11:21 PM

Anybody seen it anywhere? I have'nt seen anything at all posted! You can type woody's in any manner you wish on Google and there is no info on the product starting back up. You would think they would make an anouncement of some sort? I even typed in woody's foods reno nevada and nothing!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 01:25 AM

I usually like to be the purveyor of at least workable recipes, but I think I may have to blow the whistle because something seems wrong! Very wrong. If you look at the "NEW" woody's website, it shows that it hasn't been correctly published. For weeks.

If you try to look it up - well, let's just say difficult if not impossible!

I think we may have been trolled! We MAY have been fooled into thinking that Woody's may be coming back, but it may never will be!

Has anybody ever checked to see if "Woodys Foods Inc" was ever incorporated in Nevada? Supposedly, they were out of Reno.

I call schananigans! I call Fraud! Ladies and Gentlemen of this thread, start your crockpots!

Woody's Cook-in sauce will NOT return, unless we make it ourselves! Woody's Foods of Nevada does not exist, as far as I can tell.

End of Message

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 03:11 AM

Neil? SOLD!!! How much is shipping to Fortuna?
Just kidding You may want to sell it on Ebay and retire. Or send some to Sorcha, Claire, Bill, Janet, Brian etc. so you all can come up with Woody's secret and live happily ever after. Retirement without Woody's? As DR. Smith would say, "OOOHH, The pain".
Sorry to here the news. Is this where we shoot the messenger in hopes the bad news goes away? Oh, wait.. That was Bill. He has good ideas on recipes. That would be counter-productive. Forgive me, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 04:26 AM

Reily foods Has a lot of money resting on this recipe and if they see you getting close, they would probably say anything to to cool your crocks. First they said "we're looking for a buyer" then they said "We found a buyer" then they said Production in a couple of weeks....Then they'll say....Something.
I think Bill hit it on the head. paste "schananigans!" (I had to copy that because I have no idea how to spell "shenanagains".
See. Told ya)
Anyway,all of you cooks must be getting close. I'm just sorry I couldn't help. It would be a pleasure to be part of a team that makes the corporates writhe.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 01:32 PM

Darrel, it's never too late -- just wade on in, the Woody's is fine, but we certainly haven't reached perfection yet!

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: slick
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 06:37 PM

This is neil slick is the only name I could come up with in a rush as my name was taken! Its what I call my son. I think we need to come up with a group name like, What was that secret UFO file back in the 60's? I think we are getting real close just need to slow down, think and refine! I won't stop untill this puzzle is hanging on the wall

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Scott
Date: 17 Oct 07 - 08:31 PM

Hey, I just read through a lot of the posts here. I live just outside of Reno, Nevada and would be happy to go there and plead our case. Yes, I am a closet woody's cook-in sauce addict! I am almost ready to pay the crazy price on e-bay.

So, please post the address again and I will work on it......

IN PERSON!!!!!!
Woody's Foods PO Box 34477 Reno Nevada 89523-9998 doesn't work.

I am serious. Someone find me a physical address and I will make face to face contact.

Thnx for your help.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 08:35 AM

I e-mailed requesting a list of retailers: this was the response.


Thank you for inquiring about Woody's cook-in sauce.
At this time, we are working on production.
We are anticipating production to begin in the next few weeks.
In addition, we will be offering Woody's direct via our website in the near future.
We will notify you when production begins.

Best regards,

Jennifer
Woody's Foods
Consumer Affairs

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 11:24 AM

Wow -- an actual human seems to have responded to MMario. That's encouraging...I was beginning to believe, as Darrell postulated, that it was some sort of arcane plot to keep us from recreating the product. Which, of course, it could still be...

However, I'm undaunted, and I'm not planning to sit idly by while the new Woody's gets -- or fails to get -- of the ground. My sauce re-creation efforts will continue right after the Getaway.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: slick
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 10:48 PM

I guess nobody could remember the name of the UFO project? I think it might have been something like operation (ham hock)? I can't recall I was a kid. So nobody wants to join the (I'll figure out how to make Woody's)secret society?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 11:48 PM

Slick: That would be project Bluebook. Our secret name could be project Red Bottle. If the UASF has a similarly-named project, it's so secret I don't know about it, so we might as well use it.

I do feel like we have been fed untrue material.

My personal opinion may be strange, but here it goes: If I were to have the money and wherewithal to buy the brand and recipe, I would want a return on my investment as soon as possible.

If I didn't know how to do a website - which some say I do - I would certainly hire some kid to create one for me. That done, I would reach out to those folks interested in the sauce - say by Googling "Woody's Sauce". Again, some kid would tell me that, or do it for me.

Within a few days, I would have the website up with "Returning SOON!" for all of us to savor. As soon as the first batch was cool in the jar - perhaps as it was still cooling - I would be ready to ship out to cash-paying customers! Let it cool in transit!

Let the supermarkets follow. Maybe I know nothing about marketing in the traditional supermarket chain, but I do know something about markting.

I actually have a website that sells a Fire Department themed BBQ sauce that is SOMETIMES available in supermarkets. My site is just a dependable source - which supermarkets aren't.

I may not sell much, but I'm selling 100% more than the alleged Woody's site - which isn't selling anything! (I could have used rougher language, but didn't).

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 12:27 AM

Yo Bill..I'm with you
Just waiting for "Mudcat Sauce" w/"original flavoring" to be available here in Massachusetts. Send me some and I'll have the guys try it out at the Station and send you a critique. DUHH As if they wouldn't eat anything !
I can't seem to get them to experiment with the recipe's yet. I guess I gave them too many jars of the original !
Still awaiting "REAL" word concerning the "new" owner. Something seems fishy about the approach so far however, if I'd been able to acquire the recipe & patents, without the facilities to produce it properly (smoker (?), jars, labeling, alligator/armodillo/sasquach poo...) heck, it would take me a while also !

Keep experimenting & posting
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Darrell.
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 01:27 PM

Bill,
I would imagine that some of your FD themed bbq sauces are heat related. If so, would you please give me the website address.
I like heat. My brother-in-law, even more so. One of his favorite hot sauces so far I happened to make using Woody's. I took around 20 fire-dried habeneros pulverized them in a blender, soaked that in a quart of everclear for about a week(capsaicin is very soulable in alchohol but not in water). Then I boiled that down (outside)to about a 1/4 cup split a jar of Woody's added 1/2 of the extract to each. added enough water to be able to shake it out of a Tabasco bottle and, voila! Woody's with fire to go with the smoke. You wouldn't believe what that does for a ham and cheese sandwich.
Oh, and the extract? It's so hot it'll make your teeth itch!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Darrell.
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 01:51 PM

Oh! I forgot. I filtered the extract before boiling down. have a lid ready beacause there WILL be flare-ups. NOT an inside job!
Just in case someone wants to make "Extreme Woody's"
And I can't stress this enough! NOT AN INSIDE JOB ! BOIL SLOWLY!   DO NOT LEAVE UNATTENDED!
I'm sure Bill doesn't want to mop up after an Extreme Woody's kitchen disaster. He probably cringed at the mere mention of boiling alcohol.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: slick
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 09:29 PM

Yeh I know bout them habeneros, I grew 2 plants in my garden this year, smoked'em, dried'em, and ground'em - you cant even take a small pinch of it! I just ran everone from the kitchen as I just picked the last of my jalapenos. I cleaned and started to boil them (trying to replicate jalpeno tabasco)and all ran out rubbing theree eyes.


Hey Bill thank for that info I always the name was some kind a book or color so who's up to bat for the next trial recipe?

YES I'M A NON BELEIVER IN WOODY'S RETURN I think if they are going to break out you should herE some type of hype espesially on the internet. Like I stated earlier type in Woody's on GooGle and everboby is as lost as we?!?!?!?!?!?!??????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 10:43 PM

Slick, my friend, seems like you got a small problem up there....(smile and hee hee?)

Now, just hold all yer horses...and give them a chance. I haven't given up on the Real Thing yet...but I've not given up on making it at home either. I just have to use up the stuff I made that isn't quite right before I try again.

There IS a limit to how much 2 people can use. (There is???) Yes, really, there is. I can't eat BBQ every night.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:15 PM

To: Darrel

Being a member of San Francisco's volunteer disaster community, I decided to reopen their "gear store" when it was closed by a Fire Chief that is mostly remembered as mean. That may or may not be true, but access to shirts and other gear was reduced to a vacuum, which also happened to Firefighter friends of mine who actually made the gear.

OK, I decided to fix that, and opened a web site several years ago - before 9-11. Yes, as one of my products, I carry a line of Barbecue sauces that was developed by a San Francisco Firefighter - long since retired.

It is not MADE by me, but a professional food manufacturer. I carry it as part of my line of San Francisco Fire Department themed gear (and flavors).

Since you asked, here is the link: http://www.sffdgear.com/barbecue.htm

This has nothing to do with the Woody's debacle. If, however they want me to distribute their product..... Better me than nobody!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 10:09 AM

I emailed woody's again and asked if they would not just give me the canned reply that they have been giving everyone . so they replied with they are trying to have it ready by end of november .

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 05:17 PM

Thank you. I certainly hope that information is real!

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Woody's Foods
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 01:29 AM

Hello fellow "Woody's" fans,



I to have been "lurking", not only on this site but a great many others, for the purpose of gauging interest in the "Woody's" brand of sauces. I must say it has been overwhelming and worth every minute. I am not only a fan, but a consumer of "Woody's" as well. So much so I helped purchase the brand.



I have read a great deal of posts concerning "Woody's" and the subsequent return of the sauces. I can inform of this,"Woody's" is back! As you can imagine getting production started is a very daunting task, but rest assured we are doing everything possible to make sure "Woody's" gets to market as soon as possible.



We are moving forward with starting production and should have it available for purchase mid to late November of 2007. I apologize for the lack of any formal response concerning "Woody's". Our efforts have been focused on getting "Woody's" back to you as soon as possible.





Thank You,



Joseph Janos
Vice President
Operations Manager
Woody's Foods

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 03:45 AM

This is November, not April...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,catadjuster
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 07:24 AM

Look what I got in my email this morning from [e-mail]


Greetings "WOODY'S"® faithful,


We would like to take this time to thank each and everyone of you for your loyalty to the WOODY'S"® sauces you have come to love and enjoy. As we near our production start we are anticipating WOODY'S"® to be available for purchase by mid to late November. We would like to hear from you regarding how you used to purchase "WOODY'S"® . In addition, we would like know your preferences for purchasing "WOODY'S"® in the future.

Please take time to answer these few brief questions so that we may better serve you in the near future.

1) What stores were you able to purchase "WOODY'S"® from?

2) What would be your preferred stores for purchase?

3) What would be your ideal way to purchase "WOODY'S"® sauces?


Thank You,


Jennifer
Consumer Affairs
Woody's Foods

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,falconeddy
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 08:04 AM

Yea I got that one to!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 10:26 AM

I also recieved the e-mail this morning !

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,peace_lis
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 10:57 AM

PRAISE BEEEEEEEEE!
I am SOOOOO happy to get this email -- you guys can certainly understand my GLEEEEEEE!

This is FABULOUS!!!!!!!   

Thank you guys for this web blog -- i believe it REALLY helped to let them know how much we LOVE their product. It's the FIRST item on my Christmas Gift list this year!!!!
Peace ya'll & THANK YOU WOODY'S!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 11:53 AM

I just got an email from a girl named Jennifer at "woody's foods" That they will be back in production and shipping in mid to late November.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,pshaw
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 11:58 AM

Woody's Foods LTC Reno NV this is who bought woodys

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Fan in S.F.
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 12:10 PM

I bought a case of Woody's last year when it disappeared from my Safeway. I'm glad I did - I still have a couple bottles left.

I just received an email from www.asianfoodcompany.com saying they're taking orders now for shipping "after November 15th."

From their website:
Ingredients: .1% sodium benzoate, anchovies, carmel color, FD&C RED No. 40, flavoring, hickory smoke, onions, potassium sorbate, salt, soy sauce, soybean oil, spices, sugar, tamarinds, tomato paste, water, white and wine vinegars, xanthan gum.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 01:49 PM

I just got an e-mail from Woody's Foods (for their sauces). The e-mail address is
[e-mail]

Sauces will be back in stores in mid to late Nov.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 10:37 PM

Thank you, Joseph and Jennifer from Woody's Foods!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,CletE
Date: 02 Nov 07 - 01:32 PM

Jennifer, I am 71 years old and have been using Woody's over half that long. Our four children were raised up on Woody's and were still using it when it was avaiably. We bought our Woody's at HEB markets here in San Antonio. Our daughter in Denton Texas bought at Albertson's. These are the only chain stores in SA and Denton. We are looking forward to the day that we can again find our Woody,s.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Hallelujah, Woody's is coming back
Date: 02 Nov 07 - 02:19 PM

I just received the following from the owner of the Woody's brand. I had emailed them previously, so I'm on their distribution.

Greetings "WOODY'S"® faithful,

We would like to take this time to thank each and everyone of you for your loyalty to the WOODY'S"® sauces you have come to love and enjoy. As we near our production start we are anticipating WOODY'S"® to be available for purchase by mid to late November. We would like to hear from you regarding how you used to purchase "WOODY'S"® . In addition, we would like know your preferences for purchasing "WOODY'S"® in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Yarby
Date: 02 Nov 07 - 02:21 PM

I just received this from the owner of Woody's brand. I was on their distribution becuase I'd emailed the before.

Greetings "WOODY'S"® faithful,


We would like to take this time to thank each and everyone of you for your loyalty to the WOODY'S"® sauces you have come to love and enjoy. As we near our production start we are anticipating WOODY'S"® to be available for purchase by mid to late November. We would like to hear from you regarding how you used to purchase "WOODY'S"® . In addition, we would like know your preferences for purchasing "WOODY'S"® in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 01:17 AM

Hmmm... I may be wrong, but if it IS a scam, someone has put a damn lot of effort into it!

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,slick
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 09:17 AM

Kinda funny its selling on Ebay for about $50 bottle I've sold several for $15

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 06:22 PM

This is very good news! Cheers! *clink*

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 12:18 AM

Further -- Their website has finally hit the Internet! http://www.woodyscookin.com/sauces.php

They still need to have their webmaster do some work, but the presence IS there! I'm hoping for the very best, but if it is a troll it's pretty damned elaborate. Not that this site has a lot of them, though.

One thing to note: The pictures of the sauce bottles on the site are NOT sealed. If they were sealed, the tops of the caps would be pulled down by the vacuum. Nope, they're relaxed.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,lonetalltexan
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 01:08 PM

I have been having the same problem. I recently found out that the sauce is no longer in production. I'm not sure if this because of Hurricane Katrina or what.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JayBee
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 01:09 PM

Did you notice the labels are the old style painted on and not the sticker ones...Interesting

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 01:56 PM

From their website: "WOODY'S"® Sweet 'n Sour sauce will add that special flare to your cooking.

Gee, I hope they mean "flair" -- otherwise they may have to rename it Woody's BurnIn Sauce!

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 02:57 PM

Hahaha! Good one Michael!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,John Muller
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 03:06 PM

Hi all. Just a note to inform you about Woddy's website...

I am the webmaster for woodyscookin.com and noticed some comments about the site's lack of completion. I started building it on November 3, 2007 using text and graphics from a site someone else started. Yes, we need to update the graphics and content, but thought you'd rather have something to refer to than wonder what happened to the product.

We hope to have the site finished by the beginning of next week with new pictures and extended content. There are also plans for a page that will enable you to share your favorite Woodys recipes with others.

If you'd like, I can post a notice when the site is completed.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: MMario
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 03:23 PM

Thank you! *ANYTHING* is better then "site not found"

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,John Muller
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 03:43 PM

Michael, thanks for the heads up on the "Flare" issue. I fixed that and welcome reports on any other problems with the site.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 10:49 PM

John,
As you may understand, there are a LOT of us who are sceptical(?) concerning the return of Woody's. Lack of "real" information in the beginning, resulted this wonderful website as well as a nationwide "rediscovery" of a product that has been around for almost 100 yrs.
You, and your backers (?) have been able to do what MANY of us were willing to do months ago. Maybe. The efforts around the country to reproduce or "mimick" WOODY'S has been an effort of Love for the product and a Hate for Reily foods as to it's situation.
I applaud your purchase and I, along with the rest of the WOODY's "FAMILY" out here, can only hope to see this product offered once again.
I, for one, am more than willing to offer WOODY's any help I can in order to expand awareness of what was a wonderfull product. Time will tell.
CLAIRE, SOSHA, SF BILL,
whadya think?
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 10:54 PM

Well, I'M impressed! Seems to be a real answer from a Real Woody's Person! Go for it, John, and thanks so much for your post here!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,John Muller
Date: 07 Nov 07 - 02:57 AM

Bryan and Sorcha, I hope I didn't mislead you, but I'm just the webmaster, and not part of the ownership of Woodys. I can tell you that the owners are very serious about making their product available and maintaining the high quality of Woodys sauces. I appreciate your comments and enthusiasm as do the owners of the company. It's really exciting for me to see such devotion from fans of the product, and making their website a reality.

And Bryan, I think your obvious support of Woodys on this board is a tremendous help.

Thanks for your positive comments,

John

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Patty Cakes
Date: 07 Nov 07 - 12:22 PM

After reading the request for people to reply at how interested they are to buy Woody's--are they nuts! Just read all these requests. I'm devasted at not having it for my brisket. I will hord my LAST bottle and maybe try the last of the trial recipes. Thanks for trying all these recipes. Can't believe there was ever any lack of sales. What a great Christmas present it would be to see Woody's back on the grocer's shelves! --are you listening?!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Carolyn
Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:36 PM

Hi, folks.

I just have to tell you that I have been following your posts for months ever since a friend gave me my first bottle of Woody's. I doubt she would have given it to me had she known it had been discontinued. Anyway, I loved it but, as you know, couldn't find it except at my local Ocean State Job Lot. It's no longer there anymore so I have been as disappointed as you.
I just went to www.woodyscookin.com (which I learned about through following your posts) and found links to two online sellers. They either have it now or will have it by mid November for mail order. Prices vary so check both.
Foodlocker.com seems to be most reasonable and allows you to sign up and they will let you know when it is available. It is confusing that they have it listed at more than one price...(6 @ 27.44 including shipping and 6 @ 33.93 incl. shipping)I suspect one was the old price and the higher one is the new price. They were formerly an online seller of this product.
The other supplier is asianfoodcompany.com which seems to have the product now and will sell 6 @ 41.95 incl. shipping.
SO, it is on its way!! Thanks for your efforts!! If not for you, I would never have found it again.
Some of your recipes look pretty tasty. I may have to test out some "home brewed" versions as well. You never know what might hit the spot....as they say.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 08:32 PM

Hello Carolyn
LOL...WAY back at the beginning of this thread someone mentioned Ocean State as a possible supply source. I drove from from Maynard,MA to the Cape..Boston..Springfield...Hartford and back and purchased as many jars as Ocean State had.
E-bay was great but...this link has been even more fun.
Sorcha, ClairBear, SF Bill, wonderful work on Faux Sauce. These recipes WILL be refined in case this situation ever happens again. I know that I'll continue to "watch" and see any and all comments concerning refinements of the recipes.
So, now that Woody's is coming back, how do I explain to my wife, at X-mas, the alligator and armadillo parts I requested from the Louisianna and Texas Highway departments ?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 08:36 PM

Uh, JBryan.....you maybe need to hit the jewlery shop and florist first? Or just try to tell her you were going into the shoe business? Women are supposed to like shoes?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 11:12 PM

You can find Woody's at this site. http://store.asianfoodcompany.com

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 16 Nov 07 - 12:10 AM

Thanks Sorcha,
My wife was hoping that the profits from Woody's EBay would afford more than alligator shoes and an armodillo belt. LOL
I made some $ but I've had more fun enjoying this site and realizing that the zeal my family has had for WOODY'S really is shared across the country. My wife still doesn't understand it......hense the shoes !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 16 Nov 07 - 10:19 AM

well i have not seen anything in a while as to who has made the closest batch to woody's . is everyone giving up? this company could fail and everyone would be out of woody's again.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 16 Nov 07 - 05:28 PM

I'm not giving up, and I would venture that from what I know of the other intrepid Woody's warriors, none of them is tossing in the towel either. Speaking for myself, I am taking a much-needed breather while I use up what I've already made and wait for the commercial product to materialize (or not).

Besides, I've been away on vacation, and I have a lot less spare time during church choir/school season than I do in the summer...along with less motivation to barbecue.

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 01:35 AM

Super news about Woody's, huh?
Bill, I just ordered the 1 and 2 alarm sauces. Will let you know what I think. And by the way... Nice job on the web site!
    Darrell.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 06:31 PM

oops. meant to say 2 and 3 alarm.

Subject: TEAGAN,Farmers
From: GUEST,TEAGAN
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 08:52 AM

Farmers

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Packeryman
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 12:48 PM

I have used Woody's for a base when making a sauce for smoked brisket for years. I found out from the people at HEB stores in Corpus Christi that they had gone out of business. I guess I was buying what was left of their stock up till about 3mo. ago I am hoping some one will start to make it again. Does anyone have the recipe for the sauce that was used in Ireland's Pit Bar-B-Que(discontinued), that was sold in a can back in the 50's and 60's?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 02:49 PM

OHH NOO !! Another Challenge ??

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,lsdreamwork
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 08:11 PM

WOODY'S is BACK!!!   YE HAAAAAA!

Following the link to the great news!

http://www.foodlocker.com/brands-w-woody-s.html

ps: Thanks for all of those who LOVE it as much as we do.
    Sure would have been hard to give it after be weened
    on it for 45+ years. (I think my mom put it my bottle!)
    LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Nov 07 - 03:04 PM

Just had some spare ribs with Claire's Faux Woody's. They were great!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Geneen
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 04:55 PM

Woody's is coming back. I talked to the owner of Woody's Food Limited today. He said the grocery stores are giving him some problems negotiating prices, slotting, and everything that goes along with getting a product on the shelf (i.e. placement etc). The Brokerage comany who is handling the product to get it back into stores is Enterprise Sales and Marketing. I have personally worked in a grocery store as a manager and with a brokerage company as well. Let me tell you it is not an easy thing working with grocery stores to get product in a store. I suggested to the Woody owner that we as consumers know the name of the Brokerage company and request the product not only at store level but also at corporate level as well giving them the info of the Brokerage company and Woody's website. If enough of us stick together, we can get this ball rolling alot faster and also help Woody's Company return to the shelves so we can enjoy it faster.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 07:05 PM

To Darryl: I didn't know it was you when you ordered, but I trust your package arrived safely!

To Geneen: If you do decide to put your product on the site, let us know. Is anyone actually shipping product?

To Everyone: I'm BAAAACK! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,catadjuster
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 07:34 PM

Geneen - You talked to the owner? Ooooo-RAH !! If you can supply me with the name and number of the Enterprise Sales people and I will make sure Florida - at least - has Woody's on the table

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,catadjuster
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 07:38 PM

Geneen... [e-mail] is my correct address.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Geneen
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 09:30 PM

Hello everyone:

Here is what the owner sent to me - so spread the word to your grocers and their corperate headquarters! Yeah!!

Hi,
   
Here is the Woody's web page:    www.woodyscookin.com
      
You can go to the links and order from one of the online retailers.
   
In addition, here is the broker information you can pass to your
local grocer in your area:
   
Enterprise Sales & Marketing Team: Galen Fowler   816-522-3200
   
Thanks for your support!
   
Please let me know if you have further questions.
   
Best Regards,

Richard Janos
Owner
Woody's Foods
[phone]
[phone] fax
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 09:16 PM

Are the online retailers actually shipping product yet? If the new owner of Woody's wants to snap up sales, all they have to do is get a Paypal account, and a few "Add to Cart" buttons to their site. As Darrell knows, even I can do that! If I can do it, it must be simple! ;)

I just used the last of my Faux Woody's Cook #2 tonight. If I don't see Woody's back soon, I may have to resort to Recipe #3! They loved #2 at the Firehouse!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 10:01 PM

I just emailed the new owner. I offered my web store to be an outlet for the new Woody's. If he says *Yes*, and sells me some, he will have an outlet! You will have a source! How does it tie into San Francisco Firefighting? Because San Francisco Firefighters mostly LOVE IT!

I'll probably lose money on the stuff, because I charge so little for shipping, but maybe someone will order a shirt or two, so maybe it all work out. Unless he just sluffs me off as "little people", in which case I'm back to 'square one'.

I never even thought of it until Darrell bought some of my sauces!   www.SFFDGear.com I hope it's OK to mention it here.

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 29 Nov 07 - 12:36 PM

Bill, that's a brilliant thought. I would even drive up to the city to save you shipping. Thank you! I hope the new Woody's owner takes you up on your offer...though so far, I've yet to detect much evidence of marketing expertise in that quarter.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 01:57 AM

I got a reply this evening! I may not get the chance to offer it, but will call in the morning! Who knows what may happen! Of course, I'm going to respect a request to keep a phone number confidential, like I would your address. Or you would mine.

My conclusion: The product is ready, but the distribution is not. It may show up for Internet delivery before it shows up on store shelves.

In this age, where the "Cook-In" sauce could be discussed, dismantled, emulated and demanded, it just could no longer just be discontinued and forgotton, like in the old days. And that is the opportunity that the new ownership bought into. Ten years ago, the brand would have been worthless and forgotton, once discontinued. Things are new now. My web site is called www.SFFDGear.com if you want to see what the folks at Woody's saw.

Here's what they said:

Hi Bill,

Good news the first production run of Woody's is now complete!   I am working in getting Woody's back into the local stores including; Safeway, Bel Air, Raily's etc. in California.

We don't necessrily sell direct to consumers but we do have online retailers that do at: www.woodyscookin.com

I took a look at your website and I would like to discuss with you further about the oppurtunity in retailing Woody's on your website.

When you get a moment call me at (xxx) xxx-xxxx (I request that you please do not publish this number). We have a toll free number now for consumers: 1-888-747-9229.

I look forward to talking with you soon.

Have a great day!

Best Regards,

(The signature was cut off).

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Algie Seat
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 06:00 PM

Hello:

I have 6 new jars that I received today from one of the new Woody's owners web resellers (Asian Food Company) It looks the same and smells the same and I will try it out this weekend to see if it taste the same.


Thanks:

Algie Seat

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:09 PM

Well, here's some exiting news! I had a nice long chat with Richard, the new owner of Woody's Foods this evening! He is a good guy who started out like the rest of us: Looking for his lost Woody's Sauce! He took our passion (we tried to make the knock-offs) and did us one better - he bought the company! THAT'S a fan!

He is well aware of this thread. I didn't ask (that would have been rude) if any of us came remotely close, but he did say that the process is complex. He also stressed that new Woody's is PRECICELY the same as old Woody's. The new bottles might look a little redder than our stashes, because our stashes are two or more years old.

I know the question you are waiting for: What did he say when I asked if I could sell his sauces on SFFDGear.com? I guess he thought my site is cool, because he said *YES*!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 10:56 PM

WHHHOOOOOOOO EEEEEEE!

How much ya gonna charge?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,SLICK
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:31 PM

Yall ever use Pecan ?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:49 PM

Sorcha,

I guess this is a case of "it never hurts to ask". Talking to Woody's owner was like talking to an old friend - he really is that down to earth. The fact that the conversation took place while I was in my vehicle, pulled over on Junipero Serra, well, makes it all the more fun.

The answer to YOUR question is found at my little web store - actions speak louder than words - and it is: Reasonable. I have to sign some business documents before he can tell me what the prices are, and that's standard practice. If you look at my store, you'll see that while it's not a discount store, I NEVER gouge. I'm kind of old fashioned in that way.

If I had the numbers, they'd be on a BUY IT NOW button!

I'm just pleased that he liked my little store enough to say, 'OK, you're in'. That makes me one of three American Internet retailers to get the nod, and one of only FOUR on the planet! It's quite an honor! My little store, who would have thought of it?

I'm just glad to be able to get it for you and the other Woody's fans! We have worked very hard!

And, as Darryll knows, I DO know how to ship bottles of sauces!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 01:16 AM

there will be woodys cook-in-sauce probably before christmas====reiley corporation gave the company that bought them are giving them the rights to produce the sauce------keep checking in stores-----it will turn up

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 09:12 PM

Well, Guest...I'll order from Bill if I can! We gotta prove that the Little People still do have a voice!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 01:19 AM

There is an incredible amount of work to be done before I can even hope to ship the product! And I even have 99% of the pipeline already constructed and working! Fortunately, the work is being done!

Do I need to drive my truck to the distribution center tomorrow? We shall see!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,wizardlip
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 04:22 PM

Been using woody's for over 50 years. (I'm really not that old; just started using it very, very young.)

O.K., O.K., now who is going to start selling WOODY'S tee-shirts and caps on-line??? LOL We have a new CULT starting.

BTW, are their any "under age 40" using WOODY'S???

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,John w. S.
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 04:27 PM

Hey, I just saw a college kid today with a tee-shirt saying: "I have a WOODY".

Oops, that might mean something else---not B.B.Q. sauce.....sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 02:26 AM

Hoo boy! I am going to keep my mouth shut for tonight, because tomorow, I might have some really good news for you!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Linda
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 11:10 AM

I too am a Woody's devotee. The "sweet & sour" sauce I can't live without. I paid $1.99 for it in Tallahassee Florida in August 2007. (last time I found it)It's the best and I have tried MANY different kinds!....and my own! I can't cook or eat without it.....I need Woody's HELP!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 11:57 AM

Bill, just letting you know that I'm on the edge of my seat here...

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,New England woody's fan
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 01:43 PM

Not sure if SFBill is finished with his web site changes yet (e.g., title says "New Page 1", but here is the URL I found: http://www.sffdgear.com/woodys.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:42 PM

The site just went live less than one minute ago! I never thought I would be the "Captain America" to solve this problem, but it feels pretty good!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:59 PM

Whoop-dee-doo! San Francisco Bill, I thank you from the bottom of my furry little heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 04:09 PM

Thanks Claire! I'm having fun solving our dilemma!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 04:46 PM

Yippeeee! Page looks good Bill!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 08:24 PM

Hoo-boy, this sure has turned into one of Mudcat's most happening threads! Big thanks to Claire for starting it, to all the cooks for their efforts, and special kudos to SF Bill for getting Woody's into his little virtual store. And of course a HUGE thanks to Richard at Woody's Foods!

Hmmm... maybe I'll go with BBQ for Xmas dinner...

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 01:28 AM

Man! That was close!

As you might imagine, today was a very busy day! First day as a Woody's retailer, I arranged my first shipment to arrive on Monday, and ALMOST missed out on my bit of the first production run of the Sweet 'n Sour flavor. It was good luck - and the fact that the Woody's family seems to have taken a liking to me - that I was able to snag the very last cases of Sweet 'n Sour on the North American Continent!

I can tell you - that was one big score for us! Sorry Europe. You'll just have to wait! :)

You do know where to look, right? New England Woody's Fan had it right - even as I was building the page! (It's no longer called new page 1).

Fortunately, PayPal ranks the orders: First in, First out.

Glad I'm pleasing the folks in this thread! It's a good thing that I have the resources to receive, process and ship the orders out. Maybe that's why I've been running my little web shop! I know what to do, and how to do it!

Cheers!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 04:02 PM

JBird - WOODY'S IS NOW AVAILABLE AGAIN AT asianfoodcompany.com

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 04:38 PM

San Francisco Bill, please check your PMs (Do you know how to do that? It should be available via a notification message at the top of your forum screen). I've sent you a question.

Thanks,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 01:37 AM

I finally figured it out! I was wondering what the big red *1* was on the top of the page! My answer is waiting for you! I didn't know you could do that here!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 01:41 AM

Hello Guest!

If you look up a few posts, you'll see that www.SFFDGear.com has the Woody's line as well! Asian Foods may be good, but they don't have a monopoly!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 11:45 AM

Yippeee!!!

I've placed my first order using San Francisco Bill's site, and everything went beautifully. The site is very easy to use, and acknowledgment was prompt and pleasant.

I encourage everyone to go ahead and order. Bill's right; his shipping costs are way reasonable when you're ordering a few bottles.

Oh, my husband will be SO happy with what he gets in his stocking this year!!!

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 07:06 PM

"Oh, my husband will be SO happy with what he gets in his stocking this year!!!"


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo.... Too Much Information!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 07 Dec 07 - 02:25 AM

I actually got e-mails from two family members who heard I was selling Woody's on EBay back in August. They offered me big bucks for the jars I kept for myself !
I gave them your SSFD web address Bill !!
Question....?
Instead of a t-shirt, I'll trade a Natick MA TS for an armodillo skin HEE HEE
CONGRATULATIONS !!
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Buddy
Date: 07 Dec 07 - 10:09 AM

Just placed an order from SFFD gear. Thanks Bill, very reasonable shipping cost.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 11:06 PM

It's my pleasure Buddy. It's kind of cool to feel like "Captain America" to many folks. I still have to take out the trash (Recycling, in San Francisco) and fold the laundry! When one runs a clothing store on the Internet, the excuse of "I can't fold clothes" just doesn't fly!

Potential Clothing store runners, be warned! This will be your fate! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 10 Dec 07 - 01:18 AM

The first load is scheduled to arrive TOMORROW (Monday)!!! The timing and route of the convoy are closely held secrets, in order to avoid hijackings. Postal Police will be on hand as I ship out my first orders, for the same reason. (Well, they're ALWAYS on hand where I ship, and part of their job IS to prevent hijackings)...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,deemo
Date: 10 Dec 07 - 02:05 PM

I was able to get some shipped from www.asianfoodcompany.com and also www.foodlocker.com/brands-w-woody-s.html claimed they would have some to ship before Dec. 12.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 01:29 AM

Good news for all! Although I'm sure there were several hijack plots along the route, the armored convoy MADE IT THROUGH! There are cases and cases and cases of genuine Woody's locked in the SFFDGear.com vault tonight, which shares premises with an alarm company, so I know it's safe. Shipments begin tomorrow!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell in Fortuna, Ca.
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:45 AM

Hi all. Wow a lot has happened in a month!
Congratulations, Bill, on your Getting to sell Woody's on your website. I'd feel like Captain America Too. (SSHHH. Don't let Bill hear this. But if you order anything from his website it will get to your house, like, scarry fast. I think he might be a psychic-type stalker who already has your package ready and is hiding around the corner when you click "pay".)
I would recommend Bill as a go-to guy if you want to order any Woody's. He is fast and efficient. And very reasonably priced!
Oh yea! and there are some cool aprons on Bill's site and other cool stuff also.along with some good marinades. I like the 3 Alarm.
and now WOODY'S!!?? How cool is that?! Super Cooool!
    Darrell.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,John Muller
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 02:17 PM

SF Bill - Thanks for the link to woodyscookin.com on your site. I've linked to yours from here: http://woodyscookin.com/links.php
If you have a logo you'd like me to put up, send it to burdy at visitreno dot com
John

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 10:58 PM

@ Darrell: Thanks for the kind words! Because of friends like you, I don't need any fancy advertising agency!

@ John: You're close. Just punch up the type size and put on a yellow background. You're there!

@ All: I was hoping to see some stories about packages received. Maybe tomorrow - it is Christmas shipping season, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 01:09 AM

My local Post Office folks thought it was kind of funny when the "guy in the back" let me use the biggest cart in the place. It was about ten feet long. They stopped snickering when I brought it back in - full!

Now, those Post Office folks are pretty cool. They are counting the days - even closer than I am - to my 1000th order! I have to take the 1000th order to a specific Post Office - with a bottle of sparkling apple cider (Champange is not allowed) so they can celebrate!

How cool is that?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 09:13 AM

Bill, you are just tooo toooo cooool! LOL! But, congratulations! I still have 4 jars but when that is gone, I'll be ordereing some. Promise.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 10:35 AM

I got my order yesterday -- very fast! And very well packed. Thank you, Bill; you're a good man. I am honored to have been your first shipment. What a wonderful thread this is!

I can't wait until Christmas when I can open it and make sure it's got that same wonderful Woody's flavor. Bill, I presume you've done that already -- what are your observations about the quality of the new product?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,fred
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 10:36 AM

well I recieved my 12 bottles of woody's from san francisco Bills. It arrieved yesterday in good shape . now if I did not have the flu bug I might have used one but every time I go out in the cold air I start coughing so my wife made a big pot of home made chicken soup. There is something about chicken soup that helps make you better when you are sick. I am from the napa valley so when summer sets in we use quite a bit of woody's lots of outside cooking.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Lowry
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 06:39 PM

How do I find San Fran Bill to get some Woodys Cook in Sauce?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Lowry
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 07:01 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 07:24 PM

Click on this link: www.sffdgear.com/woodys.htm -- or type in that URL, if you prefer.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Buddy
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 10:01 PM

Hey San Francisco Bill. Got my order today. Packed very well and all arrived OK. Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 10:40 PM

Thanks all. I started hearing back. Phoenix got in yesterday, and more reports are coming in today - all 100% safe deliveries! Thanks for the feedback!

Claire, thanks for the nice mention - and the link. I talked to the new owner when this all began and he emphasized that he changed NOTHING. He's a Woody's fan too, so I haven't felt the need to test a jar of original Woody's yet.

Never having tried the Sweet 'n Sour, my first bottle is on our chicken dinner, cooking NOW! I can let you know how it is when dinner is finished. The kitchen sure smells good right now, I can tell you for fact!

Another batch of orders went into the mail tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 12:15 AM

Dinner done, here is the report on Woody's Sweet 'n Sour marinade, which I poured on chicken just before baking dinner tonight:

Girlfriend - and co-owner of the house we own, so you know it's more than a casual relationship: "WOW! This is GOOD"! "I want you to make this again"! I'm also the day-to-day chef at our house.

Cat: "Meow, give me MORE"! The little beggar.

Son: "Yeah, this is pretty tasty. Different. Good". Teenagers don't talk much, so you have to listen when they do.

Me: "Man this is good! Completely different than what I expected. I expected the sweet and sour taste of pork at a Chinese restaurant, but this isn't it. This is more like *Woody took a vacation in Hawaii* sauce"! I guess that wouldn't fit on a label.

This is another unique taste. It's different from Woodys, but you can tell that it's where the roots come from. Hard to describe. On chicken, I can tell you I can boil it down to two words: Delicious and different!

It's too bad I don't have much left. I got the very last of the first batch. I'm sure more is coming soon!

I may have to limit the number of bottles per order, so everyone who wants to taste it - can!

My friend at the Post Office, taking in box after box after box tonight from me, said "I guess there's going to be a lot of Christmas Briskets served this year, aren't there"? I smiled and said, "I think so".

I can't begin to explain to you Mudcat folks just how happy it makes me, with every box I pack up, the pleasure I get from making you happy! This sure worked out well, didn't it? And it was a combination of everyone...

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 01:22 AM

I just got my first report of a problem. One package was hit by a spike or shaft of some kind, breaking one bottle out of ten. He didn't ask for any kind of adjustment or cure, but thanked me for bring Woody's back to him.

Having run my website for a number of years now, I DO have some rules. Rule #1: Nobody, absolutely NOBODY, is ALLOWED to leave my website less than 100% satisfied! Until you are satisfied beyond your expectations - I own you!

Sir, your replacement bottle is already packed up and ready for shipment on Monday - Priority Mail! My dime! Thanks for letting me know of the problem!

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 12:47 AM

For the second time in little over a week, an armored convoy of Woody's smashed through the threat of hijackings and MADE IT THROUGH from source to destination! An entire truckload is now reposed in the SFFDGear.com vaults, ensuring an uninterrupted supply!

This is good, beacuse I was down to four bottles of unsold sauce!

Never fear! Woody's is here!

SF Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 09:34 AM

So Bill, three months ago would you have thought that Woody's would become your "day" job ? Congratulations !!
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JayB
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 02:51 PM

Work at an upscale grocer in Calif, Emailed woodys and got the name of the broker handling Woodys. My rep from C+S wholesale grocers came in and I gave him the name of the broker he knew her, said he was going to call someone and see if the could it back in the warehouse. So hopefully Woodys will be available at your local grocers soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,OKC
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:16 PM

Ordered 2 bottles of Woody's on the 16th from sffdgear and received PayPal confirmation of purchase but never received shipping information.
Looks like I may have to plan on something besides the wild hog we were going to roast for Xmas..

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:29 PM

Dec 16th? Hell, it's ONLY the 20th! Patience is a virtue! (and if it doesn't arrive, Bill will make it right by you)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,OKC
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:47 PM

LOL!
Not worried about Bill just anticipating the arrival so I can make plans.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 12:05 AM

OKC, I remember packing your order today! It was the only one for two bottles. I have been a little lax about sending acknowledgements, I must confess. When I have the time - sorry to say I still have my regular day job - I tend to pack shipments! I just acknowledged a bunch of orders, and almost every reply I got was from people who had already received their shipments!

Your order ships tomorrow. There is another milestone to celebrate! I just packed up - and will ship out tomorrow - my site's 1000th order!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,OKC
Date: 22 Dec 07 - 08:26 PM

Bill,

Miracle mailing, it showed up yesterday. ;-)
Much appreciated!
Looks like you lost money on the postage, is it okay to PayPal you for the extra?
Thanks again for your hard work and service.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 24 Dec 07 - 10:22 PM

A MERRY "WOODY'S" Holiday Everyone !!
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,luvn2cook
Date: 27 Dec 07 - 08:07 PM

Anyone who is looking for the Woody's cook in BBQ sauce I found it on a web site named    Asianfoodcompany.com Hope this works for you. Luvn2cook

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: curmudgeon
Date: 27 Dec 07 - 08:55 PM

So which distributor/seller of Woody's is donating a percentage to Max/Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 29 Dec 07 - 02:42 AM

Well, actually, if you want to know about donating, www.SFFDGear.com has been donating money and time to the San Francisco Firefighter's Toy Program for a couple of Decades now - longer than my site has been there! I did a day of work there this year, and helped fund the program!

Yes, they have been cashing my personal checks for a long time.

Mudcat Friends, if your Woody's supply is low, you should take your fill right away. Just say'in.

OKC, donations are never refused. You figured out what I did for the Mudcat Friends and Fans for Christmas, didn't you? You were the only one!

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 01 Jan 08 - 01:08 AM

ClaireBear, Sorsha, Bill & Kat,

Just recieved my postcard(s) from WOODY's announcing it's return !
LOL...
Congratulations all of you for your efforts this summer. It appears that this site paid off for all of us.
Bill..my Christmas gift to my family throughout the south/southwest was a forward of your SFFD website !

Best wishes to all of you this year and all to follow. (I never did get any alligator or armodillo parts for x-mas, but I DID GET 3 OLD jars of WOODY'S !!"

Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,OKC
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 07:11 PM

Bill,

What's you're preferred method of "donating" for your postage cost?
Paypal the same account that I payed for the sauce?
Thank you again for your effort, the roast hog was wonderful and they all wanted to know my secret.
Pointed them in your direction. ;-)

OKC

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 05:36 AM

OKC, as I said in the email - don't worry about it, I was just kidding. The introductory price was no accident though - It was a Christmas present to all my mudcat friends, so they could get theirs at a low price. It seriously was my gift to you! Without you, none of this would have happened at all.

Bill

P.S. You'll still notice that the word "gouge" isn't in my vocabulary, but some Internet others seem to know the word all too well well. If you need a word to describe mine, I prefer the use of the word "clever". I think I'm clever in the way I get your orders to you faster - and at less cost - than the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Pam
Date: 14 Jan 08 - 03:23 AM

I just discovered this thread, and I am so greatful for everyone's hard work to get this great product back on the shelves. I did not know so many people had the same story as I did. I am 60, and I do not remember ever having a family barbeque without using Woody's. I was very upset when it disappeared from the store shelves, and found out it was no longer being produced. I looked all over town, buying any bottles I could find. I went on line and purchased a case from an online store. Today I was fixing burgers, and realized I had only about 2 inches of sauce remaining in my last bottle! I stopped preparing the burgers, and went to my computer. I Googled Woody's Cook-in Sauce and found this thread. I was so excited to read that it was now available online, and will soon return to the store shelves. I purchased 6 bottles from www.SFFDGear.com/woodys.htm to hold me over until it appears in my store again. If I use it all before that happens, then I will order more! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Debbie I.
Date: 14 Jan 08 - 04:24 PM

I can so sleep better tonight! I have been looking for Woody's for several wks now - I am down to my last bottle. I have searched high and low in Austin and Houston, TX to no avail. I found this thread today and read the whole darn thing before I saw that Woody's is back....I was almost in tears at the beginning of the thread. I will be ordering some shortly from SF Bill.....can't wait to stock my pantry. Thanks to all of you who "saved" Woody's!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Guest, John
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 10:55 PM

Any stores restocking Woody's Cook-in Sauces yet? My first, and last, mail order was a disaster. Two broken bottles out of six that I could see inside the shipping box. What a mess! It was not worth handling broken glass. I threw out the whole shipment since the other four bottles could have broken glass in them.
I'm taking the loss and eagerly awaiting the product in stores. I found two bottles in a store and a Sweet and Sour bottle in another store while traveling recently. All three bottles have the painted info on the bottles, not the stick-on labels.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 09:52 PM

I have been looking for anywhere in Northern California to buy Woody's. Is San Francisco Bill still selling? If so how do I reach him?

Holly

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jan 08 - 10:12 PM

You go back up this thread until you find the link posted to his web page. Then you e mail him.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 12:01 AM

To: Guest John

Did you order from my site www.SFFDGear.com ?

The fact that there is a sticker on the bottle doesn't tell me, because we all have to put them on - it's a rule (and maybe a law) to say "refrigerate after opening". It used to be on the cap - and will be again - but until then ALL sellers of the product have to add the label until it gets back on the cap again. Richard "the Hero of Woody's" was very clear about that, and of course I respect it. (You may also be referring to the sticker label. If you got a bottle without a "refrigerate after opening" sticker, it certainly didn't come from me!

If you DID order from my site, I suggest you look around it. I think I make it pretty clear that you are not ALLOWED to leave an SFFDGear.com transaction less than delighted! Not just satisfied, Delighted! I just won't have less than that, and never have!

With that policy, I have made some very loyal friends and fans, as well as a solid business. I'm not about to change it now.

If your order was from SFFDGear.com, send me the order number - from the shipping label - or just send me your name, address and approximate order date. I WILL COMPLETELY replace your order - including the unbroken bottles - on your say so alone. That's how I do business.

NOBODY ever leaves an SFFDGear.com transaction less than delighted. Ever!

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 12:22 AM

To: Sorcha

I'm expecting yet another truckload to arrive this Friday! There was a surge of orders last weekend. I was clued in that many people are planning Woody's Super Bowl Parties! I'm expecting another surge after that, when people start answering the question: "Where did you get THAT?"

Being the guy to help bring Woody's back - and not being the Profit Pirate - Priceless!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 11:29 AM

Sure is, Bill! I still have 4 jars, but when they are gone....YOU da man!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,GKdugan
Date: 01 Feb 08 - 10:06 AM

Do another search. Asian Foods Now has it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 01:34 AM

Asian Foods has it, at a completely outrageous price!   www.SFFDGear.com has it for much less and ships via Priority Mail, so it's much faster!

Of course, I'm the owner of SFFDGear.com, and a Woody's fan from way back - so I may be biased.

Still, tonight's report: Yet another shipment has broken through! Another truckload of delicious Woody's has made it through, and now reposes in the vault at SFFDGear.com!

When I asked my son about Woody's Bandits along the way, I asked, "Did you have to shoot or scoot"? His reply: "Both". I didn't ask any more questions! (You DO know that I'm having some fun here, right? Nobody had to shoot or scoot from anything, but details about the transfers and transportation are closely held secrets.)

Anyway, JUST as I broke open my very last case of Woody's - a truckload of reinforcements arrived! It's a good thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 01:45 AM

By the way, you might want to keep those old bottles of Woody's, even though you have emptied them. They might beccome collectors items! Just a thought from the GF, who can be a lot smarter than I, sometimes! Actually, a lot of the time!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 02 Feb 08 - 01:59 AM

Thank you Sorcha, What a nice thing to say....

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Zebbie
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 09:20 PM

I used to love and always thought that the very best BBQ sauce was KC Masterpiece and then one night a friend of mine convinced me to try Woody's I reluctenly put this sauce on my chicken and could not believe the out come. That was about 27 years ago. I am from Dallas and I had no idea that Woody's was going to be so hard to find. I have recently moved back to Dallas after living in Houston for a long while and I thought that I was having a hard time finding Woody's because I wasn't in Dallas anymore. So when I moved back to Dallas about 4 months ago I still could not find Woody's so I came across this thread and am so greatful that there are so many other fans. I just ordered from SFFDGear.com and I'm so excited that I am going to be able to get to use Woody's again. Thank you Bill and thanks to all of the other Woody's fan. Happy BBQing!

Zebbie

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Guest793
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 10:13 PM

Woody's is back and "closer to the store shelves"!! Check out www.woodyscookin.com. They say if you don't see it at your local store to email or call them.

They also say that we can provide them with our preferred grocer and they will work with their distributors to carry "WOODY'S.
According to their web site Albertson's in Texas will be among the first to carry it.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JayB
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 05:13 AM

I will be going to a food show in RENO next month for C&S wholesale grocers. Will talk to specialty food buyers about getting Woodys back in the warehouse they used to carry it till the disco.Tell your local grocer you want Woodys back. Thats whats going to make it happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Shari
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 02:46 PM

Has anyone given you this website? store.asianfoodcompany.com/orwocobasa.html

I also use Woody's Cook-in Sauce concentrate. Because I had some on hand, I had no idea it was no longer in production. You should be able to purchase some through the website above.

Good Luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Saturnmansc1
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:16 AM

I have read all the postings and am willing to try my hand at re-creating Woody's. I am a third generation Woody's user and have not cared for any of the other brands on the store shelves. My grandmother was especially upset when she heard about the demise of Woody's. I also sent an e-mail to the company and hope to get a price that they are hoping to acquire for the recipe.

Any questions, feel free to contact me: [e-mail].

Thanks!

~C.C. Wirtz

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,ted
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 04:56 PM

March 11, 2008
Finally found Woody's cook-in-sauce on the internet at the originalstore.com and at [e-mail]. Have searched all of the food markets in the Sacramento Ca area for about a year.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Woody's Foods
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 08:13 PM

Hi Everyone,

We are currently in the process of getting Woody's Sauces into you local stores. For the Sacramento area we expect Raley's, Bel Air and Safeway to restock Woody's. You can visit our website at:

www.woodyscookin.com

Select 'where to buy' link and enter your zip code number.

In the meantime we have online retailers http://sffdgear.com/woodys.htm or http://store.asianfoodcompany.com/wocosa.html

Thanks for your patience and support!

Richard
Woody's Foods Ltd.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 10:08 PM

Richard! I was afraid you'd never come in and introduce yourself!

Welcome to the thread, and thank you so much for bringing Woody's back to the waiting world.

Raley's AND Safeway? Oh, goody!!!! I note my local, Scotts Valley Market, is already stocking the Sweet-n-Sour, and I can vouch that SFFDgear.com is a great resource, but still, I long to be able to walk into a store and buy Woody's Cook-In' Sauce again.

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:29 PM

OK Guys,

Richard,as Claire said, GREAT to hear from you. My question is, are there any preliminary outlets for the EAST coast? North or South ?

Congratulations on your endeavor and please post any recommendations you may have that might aid in "re"- building this product's prestige.

Sincerely,
Bryan Barlow
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,HCTrouble
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:03 PM

YEAH!!!!! Woodys finally made it to Lubbock, Texas! We're all happy campers here!!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Mark BBQ Guy
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 09:12 PM

I finally scored some Woodys in Northern Cal even though their Website says in is not available here. It has a 2010 expiration date so I assume it is new stuff. I am ready to get back to the grill!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Asianfoodcompany.com
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 05:48 PM

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to let you know that you can buy Authentic Woody's cook-in sauce from Asianfoodcompany.com

http://store.asianfoodcompany.com/orwocobasa.html

We have the freshest batch of the sauce HOT of the production line ready to be delivered today. Our prices are always inclusive of the shipping charges (no hidden charges)

Please visit our store today to order your favorite sauce or send us an email at [e-mail] if you have a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell in Fortuna
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 03:56 AM

Just a reminder..
San Francisco Bill has been dedicating time to this thread for a long time and I choose to order Woody's from him at SFFDgear.com
And Hey,Bill. My wife loves the apron. Even though she doesn't BBQ.
And Hi, Sorcha!
Hi, Claire!
And hello to all the rest of the mudcats.

Woody's at WWW.SFFDgear.com Bill's customer satisfaction insistance is phenomenal.

Chat to ya later.
And Happy ST.Paddy's day!!

Subject: St Paddy's Day
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 10:59 PM

This is the first year I've EVER seen a "non" corned beef at the store here in New England during St.Paddy's Day ! Especially an 8lb size !!!!
I've had my "Woody's" ready for a springtime cook-out and was ready to do it up when my wife called me on the cell phone and she asked me to pick up a few more potato's for the ^%*&%* and cabbage she had BOILING on the stove.
Ahhhh....the dream of an outside smoker w/Woody's and that piece of meat.....

Summertime..Summertime...(maybe this weekend) mmmmmmmmmm

Welcome Back Cook'n Sauce
Still awaiting the "Faux Sauce" final recipes just to compare them once I dig out the grill.

Bryan (still wanna try alligator/armodillo seasoning) LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:15 PM

Greetings all!

Thanks for all the nice things you have been saying about my Woody's service at www.SFFDGear.com. I always do my best to make sure the customer is satisfied - I had spent years making sure that Fire people and their friends were satisfied -- it was good training for the Woody's phenomenon I find myself involved in!

I thank you for all the orders and support for what I'm doing - it really is a labor of love. Yes, I make a few bucks from the site, but most of the profit supports worthy causes I believe in - like the San Francisco Firefighter's Toy Program. www.SFFDToys.com if you want to check that out.

Richard, the new owner of the Woody's Brand, is a cool guy to do business with. He is very professional, very personable, and really believes in this brand! In fact, he may be even considering expanding it!

We recently conversed. He is very pleased with my level of service, which is reflected by incomng messages through his website. I was happy to hear that! 100% positive feedback, which is just as it should be!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: michaelr
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 07:36 PM

JBryanB -- try Claire's faux Woody's. It's almost indistinguishable.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 09:59 PM

I've got Claire's recipe, as well as Bill's, ready to play with this spring. The nicest part of it all is actually having Woody's to compare them to.
Gonna be a GREAT BBQ season (Starting with a Woody's flavored Easter Bunny !?!)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 01:13 AM

Flash! From www.SFFDGear.com The latest convoy of Woody's Sauces has PUNCHED THROUGH the hijackers and highwaymen just waiting to take your sauces away! Another load safely in the SFFDGear vaults tonight, and those vaults are now FULL! The vaults are alarmed, people are watching on scene, and the grounds are patrolled by a Guard Dog!

Of course, I'm having fun. The vaults are real, the alarms are real, but the armed convoy is because my son has, well, arms! Two of them in fact! He uses them to drive. The people on watch are tenants who live above my shop, and the guard dog is a yappy poodle belonging to one of the tenants, who roams the yard.

Probably just as effective as the "armed camp" picture I'm painting.

Of course the sauce resupply is real enough, and that's what counts. And I'm having fun bringing your sauces to you. That's real, too, and it counts.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 05:19 PM

I found the sauce you can find it here asianfoodcompany.com

You can order 3,6 or 12 bottles. alittle pricey but worth it.

Good Luck,

Phil

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,DFW Guest
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 10:36 PM

Dallas-Fort Worth area Kroger stores now have Woody's in stock.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 11:14 PM

A little PSA for my friend Richard, the producer of Woody's. If you go to www.Woodyscookin.com they have a list of stores that have the sauce on the shelf. I'll still be here, supplying my friends, at www.SFFDGear.com until every store in the Country has it back in stock! That may take quite a while...

Of course, they also have links to the Internet suppliers; myself, and the Loyal Competitor. We keep each other honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,phil
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 12:09 AM

hello i am certainly greatful that Woody's is back. I would like to know how everyone uses the sauce. The reason I ask is I have a friend who turned me on to Woody's and he even gave me a batch. I say batch because he adds to it to get it to taste the way he likes it. Does everyone else do the same or do you just use it straight from the jar? I was told that it has a horrible taste right from the jar. I do love the way he doctors it up.

Thanks,

Phil

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 10:43 AM

I don't think it tastes at all "horrible" from the jar, but that said, I can't imagine using it like a standard sauce -- i.e., to be brushed or poured on meat that's already grilled. That might actually be pretty unpleasant.

Cook-In' Sauce is designed to be used as a marinade before cooking. I use it as is for that with pieced chicken, salmon, and catfish (it does amazing things for catfish), marinating the whatever in Woody's for 30 minutes (fish) to a few hours (chicken), and then grilling, broiling, or baking the item in question. We don't eat red meat or I'd use it for that too: I'm intrigued by the classic "Woody's brisket" that so many Texans, especially, longed for while Woody's was unavailable.

Woody's is terrific because, not being sweet, it's far less likely to blacken to charcoal on the grill or in the oven than a sweet sauce.

I have also used it mixed about 50/50 with hoisin sauce for lamb, pork, and chicken, when I want an Asian flavor. Hoisin sauce is pretty sugary, so then you do have to be careful about overbrowning, but the taste is wonderful. Woody's can also be added judiciously to other barbecue sauces designed to be used after cooking, to make them less cloyingly sweet.

I've just remembered that I still haven't tried the "Woody Mary" we were joking about a few months ago. Maybe this weekend.

What do y'all do with it?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Diggittt
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 02:09 PM

Claire thank you very much for the suggestions. I will try it just as you have suggested. I must tell you that the way my friend uses it is wonderful. I will get the ingredients and post them. It is not sweet like store bought sauces.

Thanks again.... I am so excited... I will have 6 jars today via UPS...

Phil

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Diggittt
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:01 PM

Just got my six jars and i am smiling from ear to ear..... :) I didn't know about www.SFFDGear.com or I would have ordered from him since it is for a good cause and close to me (Bakersfield, Calif.) With the weather starting to warm up I am sure I will be ordering more soon.

thanks,
Diggittt (Phil)

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 04:33 PM

After finding this thread some time ago, and learning that Woody's is available once again, I ordered 12 jars through foodlocker.com 4 weeks ago. Now today I recieve an email from them saying they are cancelling my order due to they will no longer be stocking Woody's.
I am naturally not happy with this, especially after waiting for 4 weeks for it to arrive.
Has anyone else had this happen to them?
Is Woody's really available or not?

of the few online vendor's I had found, foodlocker.com was the cheapest, but that has obviously not worked out to my benefit.

can anyone here tell me where to order at a reasonable price, and it will actually get delivered?
Thanks in advance,
Ron

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 05:27 PM

Go back in THIS thread and find the have you tried www.SFFD.com? It's been mentioned multiple times in this thread......

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:38 PM

Amazing how many people "say" they've read this post and yet.....
"Where do I get Woody's" ??

WWW.SFFD.com !!!!!

By the way Claire...I also forgot about the "Woody Mary" LOL

Hi Guys and congrat's Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Darrell in Fortuna
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:11 AM

Ahhh..Yes. The Woody Mary. AKA The Bloody Woody. And I won't forget Sorcha's response,
"PLEASE tell me that Mary doesn't have a 'woody'?????? ROF!"
This is the only thread that I follow. You all are just to funny.

Claire, Thank you for starting this thread.It has brought me much enjoyment.
Darrell.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 04:37 PM

Just for the sake of accuracy, it's www.SFFDGear.com.

Just going to sffd takes you to some squatter site.

Thanks for all the nice comments!

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 07:12 PM

Bill,
You are my HERO !
I Ordered a case from Bill on sunday night and it was on my doorstep tuesday afternoon!

Well it's gonna be some Bada$$ Whiskey Chicken this weekend!!!
i'm salivating as I type!

Thanks again...
Ron

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 11:39 AM

So, Ron, you tell us you're gonna make "bad-a$$ whiskey chicken," but then you neither invite us over nor post instructions on how to make it?

I protest!

I think it's time to de-commercialize this thread with some recipes! I've told you how I use Woody's, now it's your turn, y'all.

(Still haven't tried the Woody Marys, but this looks like the weekend...)


Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 07 Apr 08 - 01:41 AM

I understand ClaireBear wanting to decomersialize this thread, but it was a commerceal product to begin with,

That said, I'm closing my store for a week, so I can take a vacation - In New Orleans - the original home of Woody's.

If anyone would like to send me a lead - any lead - on unknown Woody's History to follow up on, I'll do my very best to folow it up. Following Katrina, if we don't grab it now, it might be lost forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 09:36 PM

OOPs on that last post ...clicked mouse too fast.

Bill, certainly hope that you have the opportunity to research and find any "WOODY'S" history while there in the "Big Easy". Let us all know what you find out.
Also, please explore the "alligator ?" theory as to original flavoring. Those on this post will know what I mean !!
All kidding aside, I hope you have a wonderful vacation in the deep south and that you get the chance to relax and enjoy some "fun" time after all your efforts of the past 8 months.
All my BEST !!
Bryan

P.S. STILL Cloudy and nasty here in MA. Launching boat next week in R.I. and have vowed to make FIRST experiment here for our rendition of a ......"Woody Mary".    Claire, Sorcha,....any recipes yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 10:42 PM

I haven't been following this thread at all, except to know that it is here. But today on KERA-FM in Dallas/Fort Worth someone called in to the Friday "Anything You Ever Wanted to Know" call in program and asked about this. A couple of other callers said it is avialable. They bought it at Kroger grocery stores here in the North Texas area.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Apr 08 - 10:55 PM

Look, a Bloody Woody is probably totally beyond me! LOL....don't look at ME!

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 12:38 AM

Hey JBryan!

On the scene. The closest I have found to your alligator theory is some fried alligator I had tonight. No resemblance in taste to any component of Woody's though.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 12:40 AM

Back on duty from my New Orleans vacation. I was surprised, I could not find one reference to Woody's in it's birth-city.

While I was gone, I had posted big notices on my web site saying that I was not shipping orders until I returned. Do you know what happened to the order numbers? The pace PICKED UP! I shipped out my first wave of orders today, and it was among the biggest shipment I have ever made. I have another similar wave to send, tomorrow.

I talked to the owner of Woody's today, and he anticipated that I would need more supply. He actually reserved a shipment for me outside of the normal demand - which is becoming huge - so I (and you) could have an uninterrupted supply!

Is that cool, or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 11:55 AM

Glad you're doing so well, Bill. I too am surprised that there was nary a whisper about Woody's in NoLa. Tell us about your trip?

By the way, I've been remiss in reporting on the Woody Mary experiment: Try #1, a teaspoon of Woody's and a splash of ice-cold gin with a squeeze of lemon, wasn't half bad. Next time I'll splurge on a bottle of vodka and add some Hot n' Spicy V-8 or some such...

Cheers!
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,billycass37
Date: 25 May 08 - 11:43 PM

It's back on the shelf at Raily's in Carson City NV.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JBryanB
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 12:14 PM

Hey Guys !!
Can you believe it was a year ago today that Claire Bear started this thread looking for Woody's help ?!
Wow, it still amazes me about the responses and the final result.
Have a GREAT GRILLIN' SUMMER everyone !
Bryan

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 18 Jun 08 - 01:15 PM

Thank you for reminding me, Bryan.

It's also my wedding anniversary and would've been my father's 101st birthday, which should have reminded me anyway, but I think the brain cell storing that particular connection must've gone pfffftt! sometime in the last 12 months.

To celebrate, I'll stop and buy that pint of vodka on the way home. I already have the hot and spicy veg. juice cocktail, and some celery and lime for garniture. Will post a review on the Woody Mary tomorrow.

Still waiting for recipes...

Cheers, everyone!
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 19 Jun 08 - 01:25 PM

As promised: the Woody Mary review

One and a half ounces of vodka, 8 ounces of spicy V-8, and one-half tablespoon (1-1/2 tsp) of Woody's, shaken with ice and finished with the juice of 1/4 lime is a good start. But next time (that'd be tonight), I plan to try a teensy bit less Woody's (say, one teaspoon instead of one and a half) and use lemon juice instead of lime. I'm also thinking of thinning the V-8 by adding some seltzer.

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Lee
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:51 AM

Just found Woody's back on the shelf at Wal-Mart. It was not with the other BBQ sauces, but over near the asian sauces. I just happened to stumble on it. Same glass jar and lid, painted white lettering and in the $3 range. I actually was looking for wing sauce to cook with. If this is already known by everyone on here, sorry for the duplication.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,Rae
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 11:22 PM

Guest Lee,
Can you tell me what Walmart you found Woody's at in the asian section? The address would be great!
Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:53 AM

Folks, I haven't forgotton about you!

When I first started offering Woody's on my little web site, it was with you in mind. I figured I would offer the sauce to my friends here, and when Woody's came back on the shelves, that would be the end of it. I really liked the new owner, and he let me offer the sauce to a hungry America. Or, at least the friends made here.

It didn't turn out that way, did it?

Woody's is now available in THOUSANDS of stores, yet shipping Woody's has grown, month after month. I now buy Woody's - not by the jar - but by the 1,400 lb LOT.

The new owner of Woody's, Richard, is still PASSIONATE about the brand - and the flavor! In fact, I taught him a thing or two about how to use it. I can tell you this: He bought Woody's not even knowing what it tasted like on pork ribs!

I have done some work for him, with no possability of compensation, nor reimbursement. Actually, I have no problem with that. Having met him in person recently, I LIKE him.

One concern: Woody's is literally ONE HEARTBEAT away from going. Again. Forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 02:10 PM

Oh no, surely not again! I've been buying it as often as I can, honest. Served chicken a la Woody's on the 4th of July, even.

(For chicken, I marinate in 3/4 Woody's, 1/4 hoisin sauce, then grill. Terrific!)

So Bill, what can one do, other than buy as much sauce as one can afford?

And, I hate to ask, but if it should go away forever, do you think there is any hope of getting a recipe?

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:50 PM

Hi Claire!

I wasn't asking anybody to do anything. Things are going swimmingly well, and I guess that was the point of me posting. Just to check in. I certainly don't need to advertise my little web store, my biggest challenge is finding time to fill orders.

The new owner of Woody's and I have become friends over the last year and a half. In fact, I talked to him today. It seems I was mistaken about the "one heartbeat" stuff. He has made sure that the brand will carry on, even if something unfortunate were to happen. You have my word on that.

I recently helped him cook Woody's tri-tip for 200 people at a baseball game. Speaking of the 4th, some of that meat made it to our barbecue that day and it was delicious!

Interesting how this Internet can change things.

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 04:28 PM

I'll stockpile a bunch of bottles anyway, but please Don't scare me like that again!

By the way, I'd forgotten this in the latter days of not eating much red meat, but here's another Woody's cooking tip from my culinary past:

the Woody's/hoisin sauce combination I mentioned earlier, about one part each for this application, also does amazing things for lamb. I used to use it on double-thick lamb chops for the broiler, back when I could afford them. I imagine it wuld be terrific on a butterflied leg of lamb for indirect cooking on the barbecue grill.

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 09 Jul 09 - 01:09 AM

Hi Claire!

I certainly didn't mean to scare you or anybody, and I'm sorry if I did. No, no, Woody's is in good hands, and now that his marketing is taking off and the brand is regaining footing, many food people are kicking themselves in the butt for not doing what Richard did. They can't believe that - and by a non food industry person to boot - he pulled off such a "coup".

Of course, that's only after a year and a half of hard, smart, work on his part. Remember, he was just like any of us - a Woody's fan. But instead of trying to make a duplicate, he just went to New Orleans and had a chat with Riley Foods in person.

It's no secret that there will be expanded lines in the future. I have already suggested a Romoulade sauce - based on some I had in New Orleans not too long ago - and a Louisania Red Pepper sauce.

I think I can promise you, although this thread is long and has taken a long break, it is FAR from over. Woody's is back FOR KEEPS!

BTW, The Internet in general, and this thread in particular, was the EXACT reason Woody's is back! Good work, Claire!

Cheers!

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 11:06 PM

Hello Claire - the starter of this thread - and thanks for changing the world!

I read your email to luzianne from 2007, and this thread you started back then.

How I happened to get it might be of interest to you. The current majority owner of the WOODY'S Brand, recently handed a stack of emails to his NEW minority partner, who will ensure that the brand lives on, no matter what.

That partner.... Is Me.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 02:38 AM

What wonderful news. Congratulations, Bill! It's nice to know I did something that helped change the world just the tiniest little bit.

Cheers,
Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,JoyKitty
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:28 AM

Good subsitiute for Woody's cook-in sauce is product called "Stubb's"
Can be located a most Kroger Grocery Stores. The label has a picture
of black man (African American) on the front of jar. However I'm still trying to locate the Woody's Cook-in sauce. My elderly Aunt died in March had used it for over 40 yrs. She swore that in cooking her Beef Brisket without it,that it would not taste the same. Our family wants to carry on the tradition of using her recipe by giving it to our next generation. Please is there anyone that knows where to find this sauce? You can contact me at: [e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,M3 Pete
Date: 06 Oct 09 - 03:21 PM

Good news, Woody's is back!

http://www.woodysfoods.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: GUEST,San Francisco Bill
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 01:02 AM

Why Thank You, Claire,

But you didn't change the world in the tiniest bit. You MOVED MOUNTAINS to change the world for the better!

You gathered the Country to insist that Woody's come back, which motivated Richard to buy the brand and restart production, which motivated me to help him distribute Woody's to friends on this very thread.

THAT certainly didn't turn out like I thought! I thought I would just help friends get the sauce (and me too), and when it came back on the shelves, that would be the end of it.

Little did I dream that it would become so big, or that I would become part owner and Vice President of the company. I just never imagined it. Remember, as Vice President, my FIRST duty is to keep the business running and the supply continuing, if something happens to the President.

No, Claire, you single-handedly set the stage for the comeback of an American Tradition. You set the stage and worked to save a part of American Life - and you succeeded.

If I had the ear of the President, you would receive a Gold Medal proclaiming you a True American. As it is, if you stop by the "Fancy Foods Show" in San Francisco this January, you'll find a Woody's booth, with me cooking up some steaks and chicken and handing out all the free samples you can eat. I'll be the guy in the Chef's hat - Shy is not a term used to describe me often.

BTW, I also married my Supermodel this Halloween. I posted a few choice pictures here: http://www.sffdgear.com/IOTW.htm

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 31 Dec 09 - 03:44 AM

Bill, heartfelt congratulations on two counts! Your photos (and your bride) are beautiful, your sauce divine. VP, huh? I'm pleased as punch for you.

Happy early New Year. May it be happy and prosperous.

C

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 03:10 PM

Just dropping in to say that as a thank-you for starting this thread that kept the brand going, Woody's just sent me one of the first ten bottles of the new "Bold 'n Spicy" flavor that is about to premiere. It is wonderful, as are the memories of this long Mudcat episode.

I will always be happy that I started this thread and, in my way, helped keep Woody's alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: ClaireBear
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 02:51 PM

Howdy! It's been a while. I thought I'd better report on some research I conducted Tuesday night on Woody's Bold 'n Spicy. It (the research, that is) was extensive. To be thorough, I even reproduced my experiment the following night to verify that I could duplicate the results. I am pleased to say they were consistent -- and wonderful.

The thing about Woody's Bold 'n Spicy is that it's opaque, so the resulting drink is quite muddy. It is, however, delicious. Due to its lack of clarity and red-brown color, I thought I'd call it…

Woody's Big Muddy Martini

5 parts gin (I used 90-proof Hendrick's Scottish Gin)
1 part dry Vermouth (I used Martini extra dry)
1 part olive juice (I used BevMo Dirty Martini Olive Juice)
1/4 to 1/2 part Woody's Bold 'n Spicy, to taste

Shake with ice (stirring isn't sufficient to get the Woody's into solution). Pour into a chilled glass. Garnish with good olive(s) and a red chili.

Subject: RE: BS: Help! info on Woody's Cook-In Sauce
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 06:51 PM

In a drink? I like it in food, but that sounds - ugg. I'll take the smoke in my single malt Scotch. But I'm glad you've gotten your wish and the sauce made a return!

SRS