Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:54 PM

"Very amusing turnip.... shaped almost exactly like a thingie."

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:37 PM

...and then my poor meatball, rolled right out the door.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 06:41 PM

Ma, Rickie said the "T" w-o-r-d!!!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 05:02 PM

Cluin.

Is that a tuber in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:46 PM

It's not safe nor good manners to laugh with a mouth full of tofu, though, RF.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:43 PM

Just a reminder to folks that this thread was started AS A JOKE. Not mean't to be serious IN ANY WAY. My contributions (whether under my name or whatever) are mean't as a LIGHT HEARTED SPOOF. I was motivated 100% by a rather serious and at times depressing tone on the B.S. part of Mudcat. Too many gloom and doom, death Dubya and destruction threads. I saw the interesting and remarkably civil "Religion and Song Circles" thread, and decided to do a "ha ha" parody of it.

So puhleeeeze, Matthias, don't let the words, attitudes, AND ESPECIALLY THE JOKES (several people are playing along for the laughs) color your thoughts on Mudcat attitudes to vegitarianism.

Start a serious thread on it, and I can guarantee you that the silliness found here in this JOKE THREAD won't happen.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:32 PM

I see eating meat as part of the circle of life... without getting protozoan on you (but getting scientific enough to group humans in the animal category):

Plant grows
Animal eats plant
Animal eats animal
Animal dies
Animal decomposes and provides fertilizer for plants to grow.

I don't care if someone doesn't eat meat. One of my best friends is a vegetarian. One of my brothers and one of my sisters (and her husband) are vegetarians. I was a vegetarian for 7 years. My Mom goes on and off veggie. If it is your lifestyle- bully for you! I just care if I'm subjected to moralization about how bad my choices in cuisine are.

Beccy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:15 PM

...and our human environment would be a lot better if we stopped seeing ourselves as crucial players in the competition scheme...

Matthias, your clarity is brilliant, your intentions are sweet, and your communication skills are excellent.

Yeah, the urban myth about Hitler's diet is a queazy one... like diet had anything to do with his slaughtering ways...
ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:10 PM

And what would happen to the poor cows? We wouldn't need them anymore and they would become extinct because they would become competitors for the same plant-growing area.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:06 PM

Soy veh!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 03:37 PM

Marshal Dillon aka James Arness was a vegetarian. Some of his fellow stars mentioned it in short interviews; joking about various tofu-based dishes that would be served during the filming of Gunsmoke.

Our planet's environment would be a lot better off if the land were used to grow grains instead of cattle-grazing.

Subject: previous GUEST post by Matthias, sorry
From: GUEST,Matthias
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:05 PM

previous GUEST post by Matthias, sorry.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:00 PM

Dear Mudcat friends,

After reading this thread, I feel compelled to offer a differing view from the prevailing one. Yes, I am an actual vegan, not a parody of one.

I find that occasionally people I've met project their beliefs, convictions and views of vegetarianism onto me. I don't know why, but some folks want to fight about it, or trip me up with their illogical arguments against vegetarianism or blame me for casting an uncomfortable shadow on their choices. Like Dylan said, that "ain't me, babe." I don't blame others for going with the flow of the culture. I am just doing what works for me.

People tend to ask the same questions when they learn I'm vegan. I would like to dispel a few of the most common myths. No, I'm not a health nut. I don't plan on living forever. I can easily exceed the government-recommended protein requirements without much effort. Combining proteins is an out-of-date theory, not in touch with contemporary science. I am certain that a well-planned vegan diet is sustainable and healthy. No, I don't eat chicken or fish. It's not that tough to find great-tasting, fun vegan things to eat. I don't have violent hatred toward fast food restaurants such as McDonald's or meatpackers or meat eaters. In fact, reduction of violence and misery is at the core of my reasons for being vegan. I do not consider my choices an indictment against anyone else's choices, but for me one of the guiding principles is a general refusal to participate fully in the destructive circle of extreme factory-style farming, ubiquitous animal by-products, cruelty and exploitation and pollution. I am not aiming for perfection. Perfection is not the point of veganism, nor is it a realistic or positive goal. I truly believe that the everyday choices we make can have a beneficial effect on the world. I am vegan because it is one small way I can promote human health, the well-being of animals and the health of the planet.
   

Arguing in a comic manner that eating plant-based diet is analogous to eating an animal-based diet is as tired and ridiculous as it is ignorant. I challenge anyone to visit a slaughterhouse/abattoir and then tell me that it is remotely akin to harvesting grain or potatoes. The difference between animal agriculture and plant agriculture is much like the difference between bludgeoning a dog with a bat and cutting the lawn. I think it would be wise for some folks to study basic biology or anatomy before they offer an opinion on this subject.

For me, being vegan is a choice that matches my beliefs, convictions and view of the world.
   
About four years ago I had a revelation that eating meat of any kind was not compatible with my feelings for animals and my knowledge of physiology. Nor could I reconcile eating meat with my environmentalist ideals. Suddenly, the connection between the heart disease epidemic and the myriad health consequences of the standard American diet were completely obvious to me. I had a series of epiphanies and I felt as if I was awakening from a long sleep. I bought books and sought out information online. As I read about contemporary animal agriculture I felt that becoming vegan was a natural extension of being vegetarian. Dairy, eggs and by-products of all kinds are inextricably linked with meat. Being vegan is the only response that makes sense for me.

Try to keep in mind that being vegan is much more than a way of eating or not eating. It is a specific way to apply one's compassion to all facets of life. When I make a compassionate choice to honor life of any form, for example choosing non-violence to solve a dispute, I am not just acting as a vegan, I am acting in accordance with the way I was raised. I take heart and harden my resolve when I meet a long-time vegetarian or read about a famous person who was a vegetarian. From Gandhi and Shaw to Albert Einstein and Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, I am in excellent company as a vegetarian.   I am glad I now enjoy the wonderful benefits of being vegan.

Sincerely,

Matthias

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 12:11 PM

Now then MMario! Use the same area of grass that supports the cow to grow a cereal crop and you can feed ten times as many people. Nice picture though, do the ricelings have cute little faces?
Pied Piper - I would not dream of imposing a vegetarian diet on everyone. As I said before I don't need meat, you are welcome to eat as you wish. However, the point needs to be made that we in the western world eat far more protein (of every sort) than we need simply because we can afford to.
I'm not sure how you define intelligence either but that must be a subject for another thread - we're already way off on this one.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 12:01 PM

think of all those poor vegetable lives that vegans slaughter! One cow dies and provides multiple humans with a meal - a vegan eats a cup of rice and slaughters hundreds of unborn little rice-lings!

the horror! woe!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 11:58 AM

Hi Sooz.

Your point about protien storage is correct, but vegetables also contain protien and an excess of vegitable derived protien would be excreted after breackdown into ammino-acids in just the same way as animal.
Meat has the advantage over vegitables in that it contains all the essential ammino-acids in one hit, to get the full range from vegetable sources you have to mix and match. Meat is also rich in fat a vital imput to an energetic and relativly short intestined species such as ours.The short intestine is a result of a bigger brain and both processes involved us in adopting a high quality diet containing 30% of callories as fat. This diet would have been imposible on vegetables alone in Africa at the time of becoming omnivours.Meat eating also led to important technological developements that fead back into increased brain size.
As to the morality of eating meat, wether you like it or not Life eats Life, and without the preditor pray relationship there would be no intelegent species on this planet. This is the way the Universe made us so were do you stand to say its wrong.

All the best PP

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:48 AM

Wow mario that is an amazing site, thank-you I've bookmarked it for future use

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:46 AM

Ms. Tulip/Sparrow...was it satisfying for the cucumber, too?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:40 AM

suppossed to be an mp3 here

url=http://pesenki.ru/index.php?p=i2&band=paxtontom

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Midchuck
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:32 AM

What's the tune to the Potato Song? I did a quick search but didn't find anything

Tom Paxton recorded it, on the One Million Lawyers album, IIRC, under the title, "Don't Slay That Potato." My wife's been learning it.

We've bought this Fostex 16-track hard disk recorder with eight million controls, that we're trying to learn to use. If I don't give up and hit it with a sledge hammer, maybe we can get the song on a CD and send to you if you can't find it elsewhere first. It won't be right away.

P.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:29 AM

Hitler's vegetarianism is a myth, a part of the public image carefully crafted by Goebbels of Hitler as an asket only living and working for the sake of his country. As alanabit says, he may have been dieting at times but nothing more. (According to biographies, Hitler's public image as not drinking, not womanising is equally wrong. The nonsmoking bit, however, seems to be correct)

One source of that myth in the English speaking world is an article from the New York Times on May, 30th, 1937:

(my retranslation): It is well known that Hitler is vegetarian, doesn't drink and smoke. His meals therefore mainly consist of soups, eggs, vegetables, and mineral water, occasionally completed by (white) sausages (a Munich specialty which is everything but vegetarian), caviar, and a slice of ham.

A kind of liberal use of the word vegetarian, I'd say.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:28 AM

It's listed as "Don't slay that potato" on Artisan's "Rocking at the End of Time" CD. I don't know if they have a soundclip on their website. Other than that if you pick a time and we can find an empty room I can sing you a few bars over paltalk.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:19 AM

What's the tune to the Potato Song? I did a quick search but didn't find anything. I'd like a MIDI (but I won't hold my breath) but I'd settle for hearing it on a site or the guitar chords if anyone's in possession of them... Thanks if you do and are willing to share!!!

Beccy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST,tulip
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 10:13 AM

Oh no, the old "Hitler was a vegitarian" arguement! I think it's been proven many times that Hitler was a "Vegitable-ist" which is of course something quite different. Other "Vegitable-ists" throughout history (Caligula, King Caracticus, Margaret Thatcher, and Annie Sprinkle) have certainly had wide-ranging personalities.

But back to meta-veganism. It's a simple religion (yes, I guess I COULD call it a religion) where we worship our vegetables before partaking of them. Yesterday I found an AMAZING cauliflower that some restaurant was throwing out. I spoke to it for a few minutes...listened to it intently, then tossed it in the boiling water. As it submerged, I swear I could hear it say "Thank you Tulip". It was delicious. Oh, and last night I had an amazingly satisfying relationship with a cucumber.

Harvey Andrews? Are you the Harvey Andrews that wrote the "vegitarian anthem": "If it Breathes, spit it out!".

Tulip Nussbaum

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:32 AM

Oh whoops, sorry. Was misled by having heard it on Artisan's CD and most of the songs they sing tend to be by Brian Bedford

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 09:10 AM

Good song, Jude, but actually by Tom Paxton! Brian has written many good songs but he nicked that one. Long live the folk tradition.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: JudeL
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 08:54 AM

As far as I'm concerned the limits on individual choice should be where it stops being something that is their choice and it removes choice from others. If someone chooses not to eat certain types of food it seems to me that is up to them provided they don't try to impose their choices on others.

And now back to the music, this seemed apt:

THE POTATO SONG   by Brian Bedford
How could you do it , it's heartless it's cruel,
It's murder, coldblooded ,it's gross.
To slay a poor vegetable just for your stew,
Or to serve with some cheese sauce on toast.
Have you no decency. Have you no shame.
Have you no conscience you cad.
To rip that poor vegetable out of the earth,
Away from it's poor mum and dad.

Chorus
Oh no don't slay that potato, let us be merciful please.
Don't boil it or fry it, or even freeze dry it,
Don't dice it or flake it, for gods sake don't bake it,
Don't shed the poor blood of that poor helpless spud,
It's the worst kind of thing you can do.
Oh no don't slay that potato , what never done nothing to you.

Why not try picking on something your size,
Instead of some carrot or bean,
The peas are all trembling there in their pods,
Just because you're so vicious and mean,
How would you like to be grabbed by your hair,
and be ruthlessly yanked from your bed,
and have done to you god knows what horrible things,
to be eaten with full fibre bread.
Chorus

It's no bed of roses this vegetable life,
you're basically stuck in the mud.
You don't get around much, you don't see the sights,
If you're carrot or celery or spud.
You're helpless when somebody's flea bitten dog,
Takes a notion to stop for relief.
Then somebody picks you, and cleans you, and eats you,
And causes you nothing but grief
Chorus

There ought to be some way of saving our skins.
They ought to be passing the law,
Just show any body a cute little lamb,
and they all stand around and go ... Awww
Well potatoes are ugly, potatoes are plain,
We're wrinkly and bumpy to boot.
But give me a break, you mean to say,
You eat us because we're not cute.
Chorus

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 08:14 AM

Was Hitler a vegetarian? I read that he took a vegetarian diet from time to time to alleviate health problems. I have heard claims and counter claims about this one. I wonder who knows?
I don't want to get too precious about this. Hitler was also short and spoke German badly (true of myself too). Even if he does turn out to have ben a veggie, I like to think there are differences between us as well as similarities!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 07:05 AM

Meat is usually silent and I'm not sure why. Maybe that pork is giving me the cold shoulder. In any case, welcome, Sparrow/Tulip.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 04:12 AM

Sorry to get technical here but this point needs making I think.
We can store carbohydrates and fats in our bodies from one day (or year) to the next. Protein is different. It cannot be stored, so any we eat over and above our daily requirement is actually a problem for our body. The liver converts the excess amino acids to urea which is excreted by the kidneys. To put it briefly, most of the steak goes down the toilet!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 03:21 AM

I love good vegitarian food! And yes, the healthy glow that halos out of vegi-eyes can be so invigorating... and those 'french intensive' greens can vitalize even the reddest neck...

However, I heard it said once, by a very congenial carnivore, That "vegitarians can be the meanest people"... Hmmmmm. Hitler was a vegitarian...

Anyway, it's all water under the bridge, really... In my profession, stamina is of the utmost importance, and meat really does help me. Salad keeps me sharp. Imagination makes it all worth while! ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 02:56 AM

Well, I'm a card-carrying carnivore too, but I like most vegetarian dishes. When in Rome...

The trouble is, with all those veggies on the plate, the song circle/jam session soon becomes a fart-fest. Better slip the Beano into the guitar case next time.

(p.s. if they frown on my bringing beer, I don't care IF the door hits my ass on the way out)

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 03 - 01:23 AM

Harvey Andrews! At last some sanity!! Thanks for posting that wonderful song!!

Tulip/Sparrow...didn't you compete in the 1987 Great Wyoming Vegetarian Rodeo? I could swear I remember your name in the Roping Romping Rutabagas competition? If I remember right, you caught it, threw it down and hog-tied in the shortest time in GWVR history, something like a lightning seven seconds? Talk about smooth!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 11:36 PM

Now Wolfgang... The tulips on my porch didn't post as a guest... And I was mixing cement while tulip was posting.

try again... and remember, I've got it all on tape! *BG*
ttr

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST,Tulip
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 07:02 PM

I'm very sorry to get your name wrong Rick although I suspect if you go back a few generations you'll see I'm right.

P.H.A.R.D. is still a very small group. There is no internet presence, and not even an office yet.

No my given name is NOT Tulip, in fact (if it makes any difference) it was Sparrow.

T.N.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 03:00 PM

My, my, sex at your song sessions? [see beginning of this thread]

Our session consists of voracious omnivores who mostly drink (whispers) alcohol (heavens!).

Wine and beer we'll drink without fear
We'll drink a success to the innocent hare

But we only SING about sex at the sessions . . .

Linn, wishing someone would chase HER with a lobster

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 02:35 PM

But I can enjoy all those treats - PLUS juicy rib roast, lobster, clams, turkey, quail, pork, etc. etc. etc. why limit?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 02:33 PM

More and more, pasta (furrin word for emasculated grain) is recognized as a cause of weight gain. Stick to proteins, vegetables and fruit.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 02:33 PM

Great parody, Tulip, I loved it.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: harvey andrews
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 02:31 PM

Well Rick, my dear friend, we agree on so much there has to be something different about us!
This is going on my next cd!!!
Sorry carnivours, but this is a discussion forum. (LOL)


                              
TIMES ARE HARD, TIMES ARE TOUGH
                                          
IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH

LET ME SAY, THERE'S A WAY, TO IMPROVE YOUR EVERY DAY

IT'S A SIMPLE RECIPE, SUITS THE WAY I LIKE TO BE
   
YOU KNOW LIFE CAN BE SO SWEET, WHEN YOU DON'T EAT MEAT.

                                                                                                      
PLEASE DON'T CUT THAT THROAT FOR ME, I'LL EAT MUSHROOM FRICASEE
                        
WHEAT AND CORN, YOU AIN'T BORN,
            
TILL YOU'VE TRIED SOME HOME FRIED QUORN
                                                               
STEAMED OR STUFFED, CREAMED OR PUFFED
                                       
GLAZED OR BRAISED, AIN'T THAT ENOUGH

VEG CAN BE A TREAT…WHEN YOU DON'T EAT MEAT.

MR BUTCHER, SPARE THAT LAMB, PLEASE DON'T TURN THAT PIG TO HAM

WE CAN SOLVE ALL FARMING'S ILLS, IF WE STICK TO PASTA QUILLS

THERE'S NO NEED FOR BLOOD AND MURDER,
J
UST CHOMP ON THIS NICE BEAN BURGER
         
AND HERE'S A BABY BEET…DON'T EAT MEAT.


BOIL THAT RICE, OH THAT'S NICE, PANCAKES YOU COULD JUST EAT TWICE

AN AUBERGINE, A BUTTER BEAN, SOMETHING GREEN, I FEEL SO CLEAN
   
MANGOES, APPLES, MELONS, LIMES, ADD THE GOOD FRUIT OF THE VINES

IT'S ALL GREAT TO EAT…..BIN THE MEAT



LET'S LET LAMBS BAA AND BLEAT, DON'T MINCE UP THAT UDDER TEAT

COWS AND CALVES DON'T EAT MEAT, SO WHY DO WE, LET ME REPEAT
   
THERE'S A SIMPLE REMEDY, SO WHY DON'T YOU JOIN WITH ME
      
AND LIFE COULD BE SO NEAT….DON'T EAT MEAT.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 02:30 PM

Two lips is all it takes!

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 02:23 PM

Hi Tulip, I've vaguely heard of your group, but try and get my name right. It's Fiel, not Fel....ding, very wasp I'm afraid, although I DO love pastrami...Oops! That's verbotten for you folks isn't it?

I've known quite a few folks of my (the hippie) generation, with names that celebrate the Earth.

Is "Tulip" your real name?

Rick

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 01:37 PM

Is it just me or did anyone else notice that the acronym for PHARD is phonetically very close to what you do if you eat only vegetables? Heck- they even made a product for it... the sainted BEANO.

Beccy

P.S. God-pod??????!!!!!????? Huh?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: MMario
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 11:58 AM

sorry tulip - much easier for me to listen to Bambi - or Ferdinand the Bull; or even Tommy trout then to hear that cauliflower. But that's okay - I like and eat vegetables anyway. I believe in consuming across the biological kingdoms.

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST,Tulip
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 11:55 AM

This whole discussion makes me very sad. Far too many people making jokes about eating healthy, and ridiculing those who do. I have been a Meta-Vegan for a number of years and I can truthfully say that my life is so much better for it.

I notice that one Mudcat member (Rick Felding) seems to find that even *naming* vegetables is hilarious. What a strange sense of humor.

When the God-pod has given us such bounty, why not simply accept it? Mr. Felding, if you'd like to know more about our group, P.H.A.R.D. I'd be happy to send you some literature.

You'd be amazed at how good a cauliflower tastes, once you've talked (and most important....LISTENED) to it.

In health

Tulip Nussbaum

P.H.A.R.D. (people having a relationship with dinner)

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: GUEST,maire-aine, not at home
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 09:15 AM

Rick, I was right there with you until I got to the onion part. I love onions-- can't cook without them. But when I have get-togethers, I serve meat. Last time it was a big ol' pot of Sloppy Joes; I'll post the recipe in the cookbook thread. But I do try to include something for people who don't eat meat. I got a friend to make macaroni & cheese. I can accommodate vegitarians but not vegans.

TtR, I love the song. Best treatment of Wild Rover that I've heard in years.

Clinton, try chives if you can tolerate them. You can grow your own; they don't take up much space. They're the first thing that comes up in my garden, and they're ready to start eating now.

Maryanne

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Beccy
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 09:07 AM

Works for me, Sooz... it's just the haughty "I don't EAT meat" that irks me.

Beccy

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Sooz
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 08:54 AM

Becky - I don't need meat. OK?

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 10:37 PM

Hey Rick I remember making you & Heather some devilled eggs you said tasted just like your moms.

Devilled eggs use to be such a hit in the old days and they are so easy to make too. Now that you can buy free range, grain fed, no herbicide/pesticide organic eggs, I figure thats a good compromise for the nonviolent potluck table.

Warning: If you eat too many devilled eggs, go easy on the beer.

Banjo Bonnie

Subject: RE: Vegetarianism&Song Circles Oil&Vinegar!
From: Burke
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 05:05 PM

This is a topic near & dear to many Sacred Harp singers who dare to cross the Mason Dixon line (in either direction) to sing.

"All day singing with dinner on the ground" in Alabama or Georgia can often mean "Huge spread of high fat food with all day singing." People are famous for thier fried chicken liver, bar-b-que beef, peach cobbler or red velvet cake. There are usually huge platters of ham & cooked vegetables frequently are cooked with a little pork fat for seasoning. Frequently found as well is the visting northerner with 3 things on their plate, carefully inspecting the dishes, in hopes of finding something that is meat free, and being urged by a generous but now slightly insulted cook to try to dressing, etc. The dessert table is a really safe bet.

Attending one of these events to the north, especially in Vermont, the reverse is often the case. I recall one event that was not really terrible large with at 3-4 spicy peanut noodle dishes. One was mine. Another time one where hardly any meat was to be found. Southerners who came to some of the first northern singings 10-15 years ago say they went home telling their friends all they had was macaroni & cheese. They didn't even know to call it pasta salad. Organizers of events well attended by southern guests have learned that at least a few have to bring the meat dishes. There are also often segregated serving tables-meat here--meatless there or small ingredient lists next to the bowls.

In reality, though, discussions of different food ways can be a good ice breaker. That is how I've heard about the reactions to the food. It's also wonderful to join together in the singing square; ominvores, carnivores & vegitarians lifting our voices in joyous song. If you can sing, no one cares what you eat.