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AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?

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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:52 PM

I searched the other threads so that I wouldn't duplicate this post so if I missed it forgive me. This article from the Miami Herald summed it up for me better than anything I have read so far.....

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Published Wednesday, September 12, 2001 We'll go forward from this moment. It's my job to have something to say. They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard. What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed. Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve. Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together. Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God. Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

IN PAIN

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before. But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice. I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future. In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

THE STEEL IN US You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish. So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started. But you're about to learn.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 12:57 PM

Sins, so good to hear from you and your report from Ground Zero. New York is one helluva' place and for all of it's failings, the spirit of the place has always impressed me and no more so than now. CNN told of an injured fireman that the mayor was talking to in the hospital saying how much he appreciated all the fire service had done. The firefighter responded in that broad accent, "Whadcha' expect? I'm a New Yawker."

Now go try and bake a few cookies 'cause I'm counting on eating your very best soon. I'm cooking a turkey......I seem to have the need to put on a holiday meal tonight for some reason...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:00 PM

Five firefighters found alive, some good news at last


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:06 PM

AMAZING huh Roger??? FIVE OF NY'C's BEST ....... FOUND ALIVE!!! Hard to believe but wonderful news!

Also heard that the government is streamling claims procedures for the families of the emergency personnel so that claims are paid as quickly as possible. Money doesn't replace people, but families must go on and I was impressed with this move, it's the very least that couls be done.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:08 PM

It will make a precedent the insurance companies will have to follow, I hpe.

~S~


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:12 PM

I am exhausted today, my analysis machinery grinding to a halt because the swamp of tormented impressions and feelings and protestations and pain direct and indirect has finally asserted itself. I guess we all have our personal timing settings; I am numb with afterimages today.

I feel emotionally pinned down as though I were in the WTC wreckage. I am not going back to the base today although they have reduced the Threat Con to Charlie from Delta and i could probably get into the office witrh great inconvenience. I'll try to do some work from home. Waves of lassitude painted black and sad hit me from point to point like a blanket of black apathy; lifting fingers seems too much to ask.

Then it passes and life reasserts itself, as it always will, no matter what, and the future spreads out a little bit and possibility reappears.

Thanks to all of you -- whoever you are -- for being a forum that makes i possible to rant, ramble and cry "Anathema" to understanding ears.

Love you one and all,

Amos


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:21 PM

Yeah Amos......Been one helluva' time........i suggest cooking a huge feed.......but then I'm just a food addict and and it provides security. Normalcy has been forever changed, but ya' try.....ya' know?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:28 PM

Pseudolus, thanks for posting that excerpt. It is true. This is a lesson from history the terrorists failed to take into account. When hit the US does not go all a-quiver and give up. Our pain strengthens our resolve and makes us stronger. It is like tempering steel.

But there also has to be some level of control. I am gratified that there is a go-slow attitude where the administration seems to be waiting for the evidence before they strike out. I hope the reaction is surgical and clean. We need no more innocent deaths on any side.

By the way, Spaw, I just want to add my appreciation for running this set of threads. Ya done good, kid!


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:30 PM

Those who did this have hurt many more than they bargained for, and I hope the whole world at last combines to wipe out the horrors of terrorism. I too had to hold Freja, just 8, as she watched and knew there were children dying as well as adults. Everyone I know is deeply touched by this despicable act. I have to say that the Moslems that I work with are just as horrified and wish to see the insane murderers brought to justice, they are also fearful for themselves and the backlash that may yet happen. Wolfgang I think your words echo for us all.

Spaw, you held this togther well and again to all the peoples of America my sympathy and support. If all the might of NATO is needed to erradicate these acts, then so be it, but |I fear many more innocents of all races will die too.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:31 PM

So glad to hear of the five firefighters found alive! I hope they find many more.

Ditto on the kudos to Spaw.

Alex


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 01:39 PM

I just read in our news that 90% of all USAmericans are in favour of a military reaction.
Two third I read are in favour of a military reaction even if innocent civilians are killed during that action.
The one datum I'd like to know was not presented: How many would agree with a military reaction even none of the culprits would be killed by it?

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:02 PM

Further info on the 5 firefighters rescued today: They discovered a SUV under the rubble with five firefighters alive inside! Three were able to walk away! Imagine the joy of their families when they hear they're alive! And the pain of those who are still waiting, alas.

Alex


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:05 PM

As most of you know I work on an Air Force base. Our unit is one of two that are tasked with responding to these "things." I've felt like I was in prison the last couple of days - bomb dogs sniffing our vehicles at the gate, searches of person and property by the Security Forces (SFS), only one entrance to the hospital and well guarded, two HUMVEEs with loaded M-60 machineguns overlooking the gate, and a million other things that remind me of another space in time. But we are here willingly. Many of our medics have gone to help someone somewhere - men and women, fathers and mothers, leaving their children behind on but a moments notice (2 hours to pack and go), and no outlet to talk about the insanity that has happened. Except the mudcat - Thanks to all of you -

And I always knew that Spaw had a heart bigger than life - Peace - Steve


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:06 PM

I'll never criticize SUVs again!!


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: thosp
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:12 PM

a related peripheral- one which i think supports very considered reaction - rather than knee jerk -article

peace (Y) thosp


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: MMario
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:12 PM

my coworkers just heard they have another four locations "tapping"


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:19 PM

Eloquent and informative as you have been, today, Wolfgang, I'd like to thank you for your posting yesterday, esp. which took my breath away as it touched my heart. It is also good to hear the perspective from your country.

Skarpi, you, too, thanks so much for telling us about the prayers and flags flighing at half-staff/mast. Please tell your countrymen and women, we appreciate it very much.

Alex, my daughter's best friend is training to be a fireman. I worked with them, as an EMT, a long time ago. Her thoughts and mine went immediately to them and the other rescue workers. Their actions are so selfless in such horrendous situations as we've seen this week. Thanks be they are willing and able and may those who were lost be blessed forever.

Spawdarlin', you have done an outstanding job. In fact, I think we all have just been incredible. It's another tremendous example of why I still wish M'Catters Ruled the World.

I have been sleepless, so rigid with tension I could not eat, my eyes ached from so much weeping, but thanks to you all and these incredible threads, I am able breath deeply, now, see clearly, now, and release the tension, if not the sorrow, and begin to look around at what I can do next to help.

Thank you, everyone. You are the creme de la creme!

love you,

kat


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:20 PM

NBC had Brokaw. ABC had Jennings. CBS had Rather. The Mudcat had Spaw.

Lucky us! :>}

LEJ


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: PeteBoom
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:30 PM

I'll take Spaw over the rest.

Regards -

Pete


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: DougR
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:40 PM

You done good, Spaw. DougR


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 02:53 PM

Well gee.....I thank you all, but it was no big thing and as helpful to me probably more than anyone. but I do thank you.

Hmmmmmm............

Since I have your attention though, over on the Nostradamus thread, they have been talking about astrology, predictions, tarot reading and the like and King Brilliant suggested "Catspaw Scatology Cards" to be read in the "throne room" while attending to business. So I'm thinking since y'all are in such a good mood and all, I might as well try and make a buck.............

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Fly-By-Nite Industries announced today that decks of "Catspaw Scatology Cards" will be released within the next month. Each card has a likeness of someone in the Catspaw family and can also be used in emergencies as asswipes. The "King of Crap" card has Spaw in all of his radiant glory showing a scene from his past where he had his palm read. It took several washings and a good deal of turpentine to get the paint off. The "Prince of Fools" card has Cletus whiffing the asses of the Reg boys and the "Circle of Light" card has Paw flaring off a bog one. Only those making prepayment will be shipped these Limited Edition decks. Those interested should mail cash (NO CHECKS PLEASE) in the amount of $49.95 (US) plus $18.97 Shipping and Handling to:

Fly-By-Nite Industries
842 Ripshitz Trail
East Bumblast, Ohio 43107

As always, with Fly-By-Nite, your satisfaction is guaranteed. Simply return the unused portion of of our products, and we'll retun the unused portion of your money.

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Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:21 PM

I already have a set. It's called toilet paper!

I just talked to my daughter as she dodged about the streets of London. She says londoners have been very kind to her over the last two - three days. Whenever they hear her American accent people come up to her to express their sympathy and offer condolences.

Thanks to all overseas who are with us in this hour.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:29 PM

Can I get a deck of those cards if I just promise you a belly dance? (and before anybody makes any wiseass comments about the ethnicity of belly dancing, it is not strictly Middle Eastern. thank you.)


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Kernow John
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:46 PM

Mrrzy
Thanks for the news that WOTCHA is Ok.
I haven't heard from Brian in some time and was getting worried.
KJ


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: sophocleese
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 03:56 PM

Funny funny stuff. Weird reading all of these threads. People asking Why? How? Others saying Kill the bastards! Apparently even it means inflicting a little "collateral damage". (Such a nice way to describe the many dead in the WTC don't you think?) And now the necessary joking as we try to recover our equilibrium. But lets figure out where to go? Do we really want peace? I'd like to not have such things happen again anywhere in the world, not just America.

Can we figure out the necessary changes in the usual script so that we can come out of this better and without the worry? Wolfgang's statistic horrifies me.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:17 PM

Very sad news now......The 5 firefighters thought to be rescued were guys digging through the wreckage and fell into a void. This wasn't the media's fault as a number of different people had confirmed this including the rescue service. Just a sad case of the confusion....

On a better note, the Flight Data Recorder from the PA crash. No Voie Recorder yet, but maybe soon. The Data recorder from the 757 that hit the Pentagon is sending out it's homing signal so there's some hope there too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:48 PM

This afternoon in Nashville, the Airport was evacuated when an unidentified Lear jet was ordered to land there. Turned out, their flight plan had been filed incorrectly. The error was corrected and the jet was sent on its merry way.

Downtown, three blocks of Broadway were closed when an unmanned backpack and suitcase were reported on the steps of the Customs House, a federal building. The high school across the street was locked down and the bomb squad called in. The items were taken to another location and blown up, just in case... but it was nothing. Who knows if it was a sick joke, or a wandering vagrant just sat their bags down.

Let the wild rumpus start.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 05:49 PM

I'm not exactly "fed up" but I am emotionally exhausted and tired of the war-mongering, hate mongering, trolling and flaming. Not only here on Mudcat, but also in the media.

I have heard all the news reports and recieved all the e mails I want on the subject for a few days-- I need space to think and I can't do that when the subject is worn out until we have hard news. I am tired of hash and re-hash just for something to say.

I am tired of being emotionally and visually assaulted by something I have done everything I can do about. If you don't hear much from me for a few days, go look in the Lyr Req threads. That is where I will be. Not in any of these others.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:08 PM

4 men have just been arrested at JFK airport, and earlier today 1 man was arrested at Heatrow airport under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, Scotland Yard are refusing to realese further details at this time.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Cllr
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:08 PM

I just found out that my next neighbor has two cousins who are/were fire fighters involved. One survived, one didn't.

Cllr


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:10 PM

I think I am two days behind everyone else. This morning the tears came and I wallowed in grief, anger, sorrow,...Then I came to life. Made a list of things to do. Bought and hung large flags and baked tons of cookies which have been delivered still warm from the oven to the local firehouse. This was all done to Kendall's "Beginner's Luck".
I baked chocolate chip cookies - the most "normal" I could think of. And now Spaw is hitting us with his usual nonsense. Put me down for a gross gross, Spaw.

Thank you all for helping me get past the worst.
Mary


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: bill\sables
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 06:58 PM

I was in the session in The Jug last night and was asked by Syd and Val (Landlord and landlady) who are without a computer but still consider themselves mudcat members, to convey their deepest sympathies for families of those who lost their lives and to say that their thoughts and prayers are with you all. Please know that we are all very much saddened by these events.
Bill


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: SharonA
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:10 PM

catspaw: I accept your apology, and thank you. (Y'mean I'm not a dead maggot? ;^) ) It is precisely because I had read most of your posts that the "throwoff line" took me aback. I'm sorry for my knee-jerk reaction to it.


BTW, at work we're waiting for a shipment from Florida via Federal Express, which can't come overnight by air until there are open airports to send it from and to. Alternatively, we could have it sent by ground-shipment but would have to wait 3 business days for it. Just a small example of how far-reaching the effects of this terrorist act are.

This morning, on television, they showed the pictures of four people from the local (Philadelphia PA) area confirmed dead. When I got to work, my co-worker told us that one of those pictured was his best friend's son. It was only the kid's second week on the job in his WTC office. As if it could be any worse, the friend had lost another son around this time last year, in a boating accident.

What little news I've heard today includes: the rescue dogs brought into NYC to help find people alive in the rubble are being confused by the scent of all the pieces of dead bodies everywhere. Relatives and friends asking about loved ones at information centers and hospitals are being asked to go home and come back with the missing person's hair from a hairbrush, or some other article that would have the person's DNA, to make an eventual DNA match with the body parts as they're found.

Black humor as a coping strategy? If one is dealing directly with the dead and dying, I can understand it. However, if I may vent for just a moment: The first asshole in my real-time workplace whom I hear making some sick joke about this horror is in danger of feeling my shiny metal cane across his or her "coping" teeth. If the co-worker mentioned above doesn't get to him or her first. End of vent.

(Eh, it'll never happen. Anyone who knows me already knows better than to tell any racist jokes within my hearing, so I think they'll probably extrapolate...)

Thanks for listening. I'll check in again the next time the boss lets me out of the cell for exercise.

Sharon


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: SharonA
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:21 PM

Hey! One of the paragraphs disappeared from my last post (the second one... hence the gap)! Let me try again to post just that missing bit of griping:

I'm tired and irritable too... in the midst of our national situation, it's also the usual crunch-time where I work, made worse by several rounds of layoffs over the past year and the resultant personnel shortage. I'm doing two jobs besides my own right now, and because we're so far behind schedule I'm under orders not to check the internet for news about what's happening north of us in NYC and south of us in DC and west of us in Somerset County PA.... feeling uninformed as well as surrounded by tragedy. I haven't even let myself cry yet (maybe on Sunday, when the plant is closed); if I let go, I'll never get done what I need to do. No one to hug at home except the cat, no time to go anyplace except to sleep and to work again. So I'm not at my best right now. Sorry again.

Okay, enough gripiness. I'm gonna go hug my cat now.

Sharon


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: O'Trasno
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:36 PM


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: O'Trasno
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 07:46 PM

Damn! Hit the submit while i was thinking about what i wanted to say...don't you hate that?!

SharonA, What a sad and poignant image at the end of this most extraordinary thread.To think of you slaving away at work with no time to think or grieve,then going home with only enough time to prepare yourself for the next day.....

For me,it's the opposite: "the events" have cost me my next month's work (a tour of the states) so i will have more than enough time to sit on my butt and contemplate the ways of mankind....

Consider yourself hugged my dear,you deserve it!

trasno


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Sep 01 - 11:22 PM

Kennedy and LaGuardia are closed again. Ten people were arrested, four on a flight bound out of JFK to California. One of them had phony ID and a pilot's license. The news report is that a second wave of attacks has been narrowly averted.

Sorry, Spaw. We may need you to start Thread #7. I am weary of watching grown men cry. My son called tonight. His friend was there when the first building collapsed. A woman's legs were pinned under debris. He tried to help her but the sky was falling and he ran. My nephew can't talk yet; he cries. I still don't know what exactly he saw. A neighbor made it down from the 92nd floor but has no idea if anyone else from her company made it out alive.

One day at a time.

I have had my apartment up for sale for a while now. But I just may not be able to leave...M.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:57 AM

Someone asked yesterday why they are cooperating in NYC but we can't agree arond here.

Here is something that might change that.

CLICK HERE PLEASE.

~S~


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 06:32 AM

They've found the 'black boxes' from the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: GUEST,Bob S
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 08:22 AM

I guess this whole thing has me in a stupor of sorts. I'm sitting here in central FL with a tropical storm/hurricane heading right for me and I don't give a damn. Didn't even bring in the yard stuff or garbage cans. I usually make hurricane preps, but not today.

Very bad attitude. Need to snap out of it. Now.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Troll
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 08:45 AM

Good point Bob. I'm in Gainesville. Where are you?
Banjer, Harpgirl, you guys ok? Have you heard from any other Florida 'Catters?

troll


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: SharonA
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 09:03 AM

Thanks, O'Trasno; that was nice. Bob S, git off yer butt and do what you have to do! With all the news coverage of the NYC/DC crisis, we've heard virtually nothing about the hurricane (Erin, right?) here in PA. What's happening?

News: We had rain in the NY/PA region last night; still raining this morning. It's further hampering rescue efforts at the WTC. There are fears that the water will mix with the concrete dust and harden... but wouldn't that have happened already because firefighters have been hosing down the fire?


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: MMario
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 09:18 AM

I hope this works - I didn't want to copy and paste this. from a ren-faire newsgroup...

click here


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: GUEST,Bob S
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 09:51 AM

I'm in Lakeland. The center of the storm should pass right over us in an hour or so. The rain has stopped for now. Winds out of the NE with gusts to 50. Not bad at all. This is Gabrielle, not Felix. It was a stationary system for days then took off last night. Original forecasts had it hitting up the coast on Sat,then Sun. Today is Friday, I think. Forecasting is like intelligence gathering. Not too accurate.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:38 PM

Thanks for that link Mmario.

One thing at the special House of Commons reconvened today that was notable was the way both party leaders made a special point of stressing that there was no way in which the Islamic community should be blamed for what has happened, and were applauded for it. And when the memorial service was held later, Muslim community leaders and clerics were there alongside Christian and Jewish ones.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:44 PM

I think that everyone around the world with any sense of humanity, regardless of ethnicity or religion, thinks this week's incidents are absolutely deplorable; and I would like to think that if this had happened to some other country, we would still be having these conversations.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 01:57 PM

The sad thing is that when disasters like earthquakes happen in poor countries and tens of thousands of people are wiped out it hardly even makes it into our attention.

That's in no way saying that it's not right to focus on this tragedy at present, because it is - but I wish we could learn from it to pay more attention to things that in their own way are at least as terrible when they happen elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:05 PM

MMario, thank you so much for the link. That is beautiful.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:20 PM

One comment on the reports characterizing the grabbing of suspects off of planes, after such suspects turned out to be innocent, as overreacting. It wasn't. That is the appropriate response to a threat - you go with the possible, not the known. If the Feds and/or airlines had been doing this all along, we'd all have been a lot safer. IM(NSH)O.


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Subject: RE: AMERICAN ATTACKS**SIX -about enough huh?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Sep 01 - 02:56 PM

Looks like a new place to just ramble on might still be needed.

NEW THREAD--Number 7--IS HERE

Spaw


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