La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?

Subject: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,Jim lazzari
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 04:44 PM

I have this song, maybe a folk song and it is about a mother and daughter talking of marriage and I think one of them is making excuses for every day of the week. I have the song I can send for someone to listen to.

The only thing I have to go on is the title La Mia Mamma, but my searches have been futile using this title.

Does anyone know the correct title to this song? I dont have the written lyrics but would desire them.

A very catchy tune!!

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 05:07 PM

It is in one of the Mudcat threads. The title is "E la mia mamma." Italian words in thread 3465, and link to midi, post by Aine 01 Apr. 04: E la mia mamma

Someone here should have a translation.

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 05:15 PM

The link by Aine shows the title also as "La mia mamma mi diceva."

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,Jim lazzari
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 04:07 AM

Q.

Yes, I see that and I visited the site and played the tune and read the lyrics, but it is not the same song.

I have it as an mp3 file if you wish to here it.

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 12:57 AM

It's a vulgar song with a really catchy tune...
the girl wants to get married, and mama advises her,

Don't marry the baker, cause he'll put his bread in your oven,
don't marry the fisherman, cause he'll put his cod in your pan,
etc. etc.

You can hear it in The Godfather at the wedding reception (!)

It's better to leave this one alone, unless you're Italian.
Or Sicilian.

Love, Johnny

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 01:46 AM

Johnny,

Then I must have the wrong title as I listened to the tune and read the words to that song and they dont match.   I must have a different song.

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 04:16 PM

Johnny,

The song you are thinking about is Lazy Mary.

The song that I have mentions the days of the week and each verse builds on itself. It may be a children's song as one aquaintance of my brother says that her grandmother used to sing it to her when she was a little girl. I have a copy I can send to you if you wish to listen to it.

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Áine
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 04:52 PM

Come on, Mudcatters! This is driving me nuts, so I know that poor Jim must be getting pretty frustrated. We've got to find this song -- inquiring minds want to know! ;-)

All the best, Áine

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:02 PM

Who ever wants to here it, email me and I will send it to you.

I have had an FM radio station that plays all kinds of alternative and ethnic music look for it and they do not have it in there library and it is driving the head librarian crazy as well. She says the song plays in her head almost constantly, lol

[e-mail]

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:44 PM

"Lazy Mary, with explanation, English and Italian, at Lazy Mary

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 11:08 PM

Scroll way down at that website, and here Lou Monte sing "Lazy Mary."
Great!
I had forgotten what a fine entertainer he was.

Now the song with excuses for every day in the week----. We need that one too.

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Roberto
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 04:46 AM

I think I have this on a collection of Italian traditional songs for children. Tonight I'll check and tomorrow I'll post it. R

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 08:10 PM

Thanks Roberto,

I am gone until Friday night.

I will see you then

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Roberto
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 10:50 AM

I was wrong. The song that I think you are looking for is not from a children songs collection, but from a very important recording of Italian folk songs, featuring a source singer such as Giovanna Daffini and the first revivalists from the sixties: Giovanna Marini, Sandra Mantovani, Caterina Bueno, Michele Straniero etc. The lp, with a selection from a show of Italian folk songs that took place at Spoleto festival in 1964, was titled "Le canzoni di Bella Ciao" (The songs of Bella Ciao). The first and last song, was the now worldwide famous "Bella Ciao", first in the original version sung by the "mondine" (girls working as rice-pickers), and then in the version sung during the Resistance against nazism and the fascism. The lp is now available in CD in Italy, but there is also an edition by the French classical music label "harmonia mundi" (Bella Ciao, Chansons du peuple en Italie, HMA 195734), published in 2000. If you are interested in that and can't find the CD, contact me and I'll help you.

The song: E MIA MAMA VOL CH'J FILA.
Region: Piemonte. Tune: on a dance tune of the type called "monferrina". This recording from "Le Canzoni di Bella Ciao": sung by Sandra Mantovani and Michele L. Straniero. Other recordings: Fausto Amodei (on the 45rpm E.P. Il barone e la pastora, Ricordi and on the lp Folk Italiano, Family SFR-RI 651); Duo di Piadena, Canzoni della pianura padana. An italian book with this discography and information about the song: Canti Popolari Italiani, a cura di Giuseppe Vettori, Newton Compton 1974.

Text (in the dialect of Piemonte):

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al lunez
ma mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al màrtez
ma mi al màrtez giogu le carte
mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al mércul
ma mi al mércul vadu da Bertu
mi al màrtez giogu le carte
mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al giobia
ma mi al giobia munto 'ns 'la lobia
mi al mércul vadu da Bertu
mi al màrtez giogu le carte
mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al v'nner
ma mi al v'nner siasu la s'nner
mi al giobia munto 'ns 'la lobia
mi al mércul vadu da Bertu
mi al màrtez giogu le carte
mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al sabato
ma mi al saba ciapu la paga
mi al v'nner siasu la s'nner
mi al giobia munto 'ns 'la lobia
mi al mércul vadu da Bertu
mi al màrtez giogu le carte
mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé

E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al d'festa
ma mi al d'festa stagu a la f'nestra
mi al saba ciapu la paga
mi al v'nner siasu la s'nner
mi al giobia munto 'ns 'la lobia
mi al mércul vadu da Bertu
mi al màrtez giogu le carte
mi al lunez m'gratu le pulez
E 'n po' d'su-si e 'n po' d'lu-la,
la mia mama
fé da sinha e da dizné
la mia mamm vol ch'j fila e mi pos pà filé


English translation:

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Monday
But me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Tuesday
But me on a Tuesday, I go playing cards
Me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Wednesday
But me on Wednesday, I'm off to Berto
Me on a Tuesday, I go playing cards
Me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Thursday
But me on a Thursday, I climb to the loggia
Me on Wednesday, I'm off to Berto
Me on a Tuesday, I go playing cards
Me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Friday
But me on a Friday, I sieve the cinder
Me on a Thursday, I climb to the loggia
Me on Wednesday, I'm off to Berto
Me on a Tuesday, I go playing cards
Me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Saturday
But me on a Saturday, I go get my pay
Me on a Friday, I sieve the cinder
Me on a Thursday, I climb to the loggia
Me on Wednesday, I'm off to Berto
Me on a Tuesday, I go playing cards
Me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

My mother wants me to go a-courting on a Holiday
But me on a Holiday, I stand at the window
Me on a Saturday, I go get my pay
Me on a Friday, I sieve the cinder
Me on a Thursday, I climb to the loggia
Me on Wednesday, I'm off to Berto
Me on a Tuesday, I go playing cards
Me on a Monday, I scratch myself
A little bit of this, a little bit of that,
My mammy,
Do the lunch, do the dinner
My mammy wants me to go a-courting, but I really can't.

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Roberto
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 10:56 AM

In the sixth stanza, in the Italian version, I've made a mistake writing "sabato" (saturday) instead of "saba". The song says "saba" (dialect for sabato = saturday), and nor sabato. So the line is: E mia mamm vol ch'j fila al saba. R

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 12:52 PM

Thanks, Roberto, for the song and explanation. A quick check shows that the HM cd is available new from Amazon for only $6.98.

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Áine
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 12:55 PM

Thank you, Roberto. I sure hope that this is the song that Jim is looking for. The lyrics read just like the description that he gave in his first post. Congratulations!

All the best, Áine

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 01:59 PM

thanks so much Roberto, I believe the version that I have has the girls singing the song. Thanks to Q and Anie as well for your persistence. You have made more than one person happy with this discovery. I will be pursuing the purchases of the different versions and I am sure we will be hearing them on our local fm station(CKUA). They also on the web.

I am greatful to you all.

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Roberto
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 03:45 AM

I've noticed I've made another typing mistake writing "mamm" instead of "mama" in the first line of every stanza. Please, correct it: "e la mia mama vol ch'j fila", and not "e la mia mamm ...".

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 12:33 PM

Will do,Roberto.

When playing the song I have, and looking at the written lyrics, it doesnt it quite match in places. Does that mean I have a different version or dialect? I must assume so. Thanks again.

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Roberto
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 01:14 PM

Jim, I've taken the text from the booklet of the CD and from the book by Vettori (it is the same text), but I haven't checked the recording. I'll do that tonight and let you know tomorrow. R

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 01:41 PM

Many vocalists add their own 'little touches' to their songs. It would be surprising not to find differences among the renditions. It would be nice to have the variations posted here.

When an English language song enters the folk realm, dozens of variations develop- I am sure the same multiplicity is true of songs from other lands (may be not German; they tend to be more precise).

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: Roberto
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 11:07 AM

Dear Jim, maybe the version you have is sung by Ombretta Colli. In this case, it is not really traditional, but an italianized version of the song I've posted before. It was recorded in 1969 for the italian pop music market, under the title La Mia Mama, and two guys, Casellato-Simontacchi, credit to themselves words and music. The tune is quite similar to the traditional one. I've never known the words by heart, although I remember the first line was: La mia mama vuol che sposi, vuol che sposi il lunedì (my mamy wants me to get married, get married on Monday). Then, the girl doesn't name different occupations, but different men she is busy with, one for every day of the week. And concludes (if I remember well): Cara mama, la mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va (mamy dear, mamy wants me to get married, but to get married, I don't feel like). If this is the song you are loking for, it would be easy to write down the words if I could listen to it (while the traditional one has dialect words and expressions quite different from Italian), but unfortunatly it seems the recording is not available any more. Let me know if this could be the song you want and if you can make me listen to a MP3 file of it or something like that. Otherwise, we'll start a new search. Bye. R

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 10:49 AM

Roberto,

Did you want me to send you the song? I would post it for everyone but I do not know how to do it here. All I know how to do is send it as an email attachment.

Jim

PS: I will be back in 2 days (visiting grand children for Easter).

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 09:33 PM

Roberto,

I am back now.

Email me at [e-mail] your email address and I can send the song to you.

Jim

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 09:50 PM

Thanks to Roberto, we now have the words and the english translation to the song.

Now to find the title and artist(s)!


La mia mama mi vuol dare un marito al lunedì
Ma il lunedì c'è già Martino che mi porta sul Ticino
Cara mama
La mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va

La mia mama mi vuol dare un marito al martedì
Ma il lunedì c'è già Martino
Al martedì c'è già Nicola, eravamo compagni di scuola
Cara mama
La mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va

La mia mama mi vuol dare un marito il mercoldì
Ma il lunedì c'è già Martino
Il martedì c'è già Nicola
Il mercoldì c'è già Tobia, mi fa tanta compagnia
Cara mama
La mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va

La mia mama mi vuol dare un marito il giovedì
Ma il lunedì c'è già Martino
Il martedì c'è già Nicola
Il mercoldì c'è già Tobia
Giovedì c'è ….maria, sta di fronte a casa mia
Cara mama
La mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va

La mia mama mi vuol dare un marito il venerdì
Ma il lunedì c'è già Martino
Il martedì c'è già Nicola
Il mercoldì c'è già Tobia
Il giovedì c'è ….maria
Il venerdì c'è suo fratello, che è campione di tiro al piattello
Cara mama
La mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va

La mia mama anche al sabato un marito mi vuol dar
Ma il lunedì c'è già Martino
Il martedì c'è già Nicola
Il mercoldì c'è già Tobia
Il giovedì c'è ….maria
Il venerdì c'è suo fratello
Ed al sabato c'è il Marcello, che tra l'altro è anche il più bello
Cara mama
La mia mama vuol che sposi ma sposarmi non mi va

E la domenica, per finire, sono stanca da morire, cara mama
E la domenica mi riposo, resto a casa e mi metto in libertà
E la domenica, te l'ho detto, resto tutto il giorno a letto, cara mama
La mia mama – la mia mama
Vuol che sposi – vuol che sposi
La mia mama non lo sa, ma sposarmi non mi va
E diglielo! Mah va!


English translation:

My mamy wants to find me a husband on Monday
But Monday there's Martino, he takes me for a walk along the Ticino (river)
Dear mamy
Mamy wants me to get married, but I don't feel like getting married

My mamy wants to find me a husband on Tuesday
But Monday, there's Martino
Tuesday, there's Nicola, we were school-mates
Dear mamy
Mamy wants me to get married, but I don't feel like getting married

My mamy wants to find me a husband on Wednesday
But Monday, there's Martino
Tuesday, there's Nicola
Wednesday, there's Tobia, keeps me good company
Dear mamy
Mamy wants me to get married, but I don't feel like getting married

My mamy wants to find me a husband on Thursday
But Monday, there's Martino
Tuesday, there's Nicola
Wednesday, there's Tobia
Thursday, there's …maria, he lives opposite my home
Dear mamy
Mamy wants me to get married, but I don't feel like getting married

My mamy wants to find me a husband on Friday
But Monday, there's Martino
Tuesday, there's Nicola
Wednesday, there's Tobia
Thursday, there's …maria
Friday, there's his brother, a champion at trapshooting
Dear mamy
Mamy wants me to get married, but I don't feel like getting married

Even on Saturday mama tries to find me a husband
But Monday, there's Martino
Tuesday, there's Nicola
Wednesday, there's Tobia
Thursday, there's …maria
Friday, there's his brother
Saturday there's Marcello, besides, he's the most handsome
Dear mamy
Mamy wants me to get married, but I don't feel like getting married

Sunday comes last, I'm dead tired, dear mamy
I just want to rest, stay at home, relax
Sunday, as I've told you, mama, I'm going to spend the whole day in bed
My mother – my mother
Wants me to get married – get married
But she doesn't know that I just don't want to.

Why don't you tell her?   I won't!

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,Tricia Laver
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 11:11 AM

There is a song called La Mia Mamma. The version I have is from Sandra. I would be more than willing to send it to you. It is a mother and daughter talking about marriage but the daughter tells the mother she has a boyfriend for everyday of the week. You can email me at [e-mail]

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:05 PM

It is the same song as I have. So............solved!

Subject: RE: La Mia Mamma - is there such a song?
From: GUEST,Jim lazzari
Date: 05 May 04 - 06:22 PM

Apparently the song is on the album Festa Italiana (Reginella Campagnola). And the artist is Sandra.

Now to find the where a person can purchase it!

Jim

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