Italian Mudcatters gather here!

Subject: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Fedele
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:05 AM

I wonder how many Italians - I mean, living in Italy, not Italo-Australians or so... - are here. We could make some mailing list or so to keep up to date for folk gigs, concerts, festivals, tour dates and something, cos it´s usually a bit hard to get to know such things in Italy.
Let me know what you think about it - if there are any Italians...

Oddio, certo che potevo anche scrivere in italiano...

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Lena
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:23 AM

Al momento non sono in Italia,come ti ho gia' detto in un personal message,ma uno dei miei sogni un giorno e' il poter vedere il culto del folk praticato in italia come si pratica in paesi anglosassoni.Uno dei motivi per cui ho lasciato l'Italia e' stato per vivere in paesi in cui il folk festivals abbondassero... che tipo di folk cerchi?!Italiani travestiti da irlandesi o italiani che lavorano su materiale folk italiano?! Pene Azul mi ha inviato un bombardamento di siti sul folk italiano,mi sa che gli chiedero'di linkarteli in qualche modo...mi mandera' presto a quel paese perche' gli chiedo continuamente questo sevigio...

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Lena
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:26 AM

A proposito.La settimana scorsa ho iniziato una thread su una canzone tradizionale italiana con tanto di traduzione e nessuno ha replicato,di modo che poverina e' morta subito.Ma dove eravate tutti voi Itali?!

P.S.:Jeff-Santa-Azul let me know if it's not polite to talk in our own language and not english.I'm afraid I'm excluding fellow muds like this...

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: MMario
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:53 AM

We'll let you know if it annoys us....*grin* Frankly - for some 'catters the slang might as well be a different language, and there have been posts in various gaelic tongues; and the occasional icelandic.

if it's personal - you might want to go to Private messages, and if it is informational, you might want to stick to english or translate

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 11:00 AM

Actually I think I understood more of this than I usually do of LJC's missives. But is it wise to speak of Italian transvestites and Pene Azul's funding of a bombing mission on a public forum.
It's a joke, Mary

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 12:08 PM

Perche tarda le luna?

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Gervase
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 02:34 PM

Italian MC-ers?
Bienvenuto, Ciao e t'abbraccio. And the moon is late because she's the moon.

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: MMario
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 02:35 PM

BTW - Mbo - never ask a woman that

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 02:45 PM

Unless of course you are prepared for the answer.

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 03:39 PM

Prepared as always!

--Matt (descended from a long line of Loro's & Liberati's)

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 03:44 PM

Ya know, its funny, but I never learned squat for Italian. My Dad learned more when he was in Italy during WWII than he ever did at home. Grandpa was determined to be "American" and he rarely used the language. My Grandmother, who was German, never spoke German either. Grandpa would listen to some baseball in Italian and made a weekly trek to the I-A Club, but that was about it. We lived in a small town that had a large Italian community and lots of my Dad's generation spoke with like they lived in Chicago or New York. Everytime I watch "Analyze This" I crack up.........DeNiro sounds just like all those guys who would hang downtown and Dad and I would stop and talk with. My Dad NEVER sounded that way, until he was in a group. When I was a little kid, I thought "fockin' Dago" was a term of friendship since that's how these guys would refer to each other. My Dad was always trying to "shush" them down a bit especially when I'd arrive home and use some of those wonderful words I had just heard around the house.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 03:47 PM

Hey Spaw, you're Italian & German heritage-d like me? Cool!

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 03:53 PM

Yeah Meebo, but I think you have a lot more of both......My Mom's family trace their roots back to the Isle of Wight. So I get a quarter of each on the German-Italian front but a full half in southern Engalnd.

Kinda' sounds like I'm placing bets on a WWII battle or something...............

Spaw

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 04:00 PM

Cool! I'm half Italian (3rd Gen Italian from maternal side), a quarter German, and a quarter English (both from my Dad's side, Clarke's, Richards', Axom's, Trimper's, etc.)

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Callie
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 09:15 PM

Hi Fedele

As you know, I'm in Australia but very interested in what's going on in Italy. Please keep me included in any info about gigs etc. Even if I can't be there, it's good to know what performers are out there and what the venues are. So when I go to Italy next year I won't be starting from scratch.

Callie (ps: haven't yet found Modena City Ramblers, but Lena has given me some good leads!)

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: MarkS
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 11:18 PM

Italy is a great place for folkies, L'anno (o due o tre) scorco Tom Rush era sposato in Italia. Io so e vero perche Tom melo detto dopo un concerto in una casa de cafe in Pennsylvania. Ma per me sara meglior quando parliamo in englese. It's just kind of more friendly when we are all on the same page,
MarcoS

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Ferrara
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 11:30 PM

Fedele, as you know, I'm Italian-American, so not really what you are looking for. Is it possible that you are the lone native Italian Mudcatter presently living in Italy?

Always remember that unlike my husband, not every 'Catter is on the 'Cat every day. Refresh this thread from time to time so that a variety of people can see it.

Lena, what was the name of your Italian folk thread? I only get on here two or three times a week usually and I missed it.

Years ago, a Mudcatter asked for the words to "C'e' 'na luna 'mmiez' 'a mare." (I'm not too sure how the Neapolitan is spelled.) I sent him the words and a translation, and we had some very nice conversations after that. But Italian threads are not too common. I only know a few genuine folk songs, most are Neapolitan parlor songs such as 'O Sole Mio.

Rita Ferrara

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 11:37 PM

Hey! C'e' 'na luna 'mmiez' 'a mare! My grandfather used to sing that to my Mom when she was little! Great song!

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Lena
Date: 22 Aug 00 - 03:44 AM

Oh,great.Great!!!!Ya see?!We bloody try to get rid of yankies,pommies,aussies,and they come around more than before!!!Not even italian stops mudcatters!!!!

There is one of the greatest italian songs ever(for me..)called Tammurriata Nera. Tammurriata is the name of a very sensual dance at least 2500 years old.'Tammurriata Nera' came out after the WW2,when poor black american soldiers were sent to Naples.a bit for love,a bit for the sake of getting a bit of chocholate and bread to feed the family,girls in Naples had many affairs with those soldiers.You can imagine the faces of old peasants in naples when they saw black children being born!!!They couldn't explain why Morocco babies were coming out from white women.Of course you can imagine why.This song talks about it.It is hilarious,powerful,captivating,and sad.Especially when it says"E Churcillo vecchio pazzo c'ha venduto o' materazze",meaning " Old fool Churchill sold Usa the materasses for this..."(you can understand the bitterness when you think that when the Army liberated Italy,they had fun bombing and killing poor italians in the hills for fun.Many of my friends' relatives had brothers and sisters killed like that...it was a hard time).But there is no racism and it is also full of life ,wisdom and irony, when for example quotes conversations in the streets among people.I wanted to translate it on the Mudcat,but the heavy sexual slang is so tipically dialectal and I can't find a substitute in english.I'd need your help,maybe.

Callie,i wanted to sing Tammurriata nera on friday nights but it requires a well trained voice.I think you'd do so good,I'lhave to give you the lyrics...

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: GUEST,Fedele
Date: 22 Aug 00 - 04:22 AM

Well, maybe it´s a bit too early, but it doesn´t seem that many Italians are around, so what I thought is not so useful. Ok, no problem.

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: GUEST,Fedele
Date: 22 Aug 00 - 05:22 AM

So I think I just have to kill all the witnessess.

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Callie
Date: 22 Aug 00 - 08:34 AM

aaaggghhhhhhh! consider me dead!

Lena - you pay me a great compliment and you under-rate your own lovely voice too quickly! Here's a compromise: we learn it as a duet and knock 'em dead!

Subject: RE: Italian Mudcatters gather here!
From: Lena
Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:22 AM

Callie,Ya ready ta scream it?!See you tomorrow night,I hope!!! The tape is very rithmic because music from that particular area is veeeeery wilde.There are many trad music pieces just made by percussions,sounding melodic as well.I think it's an influence from Africa...Am I wrong or someone else from the friday night thing is on the 'cat?!

We'll talk about it next time we see each other.I think my friends are going to play it tomorrow night.The singer does it in a wonderful,passionate,funny way. Fedele,hold on.It's not that bad.I'm gonna be in Italy in a few months(only for a few weeks,thank God I'm outa it now)and Callie next year so...Pazienza!!!Il bello del mudcat e' che sarai abbastanza vicino ad un bel po' di gente comunque.A volte non posso crederci che siano quasi tutti cosi' lontani.Che strumento suoni?!(out of the closet!!!)