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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Azizi Date: 12 Jan 08 - 08:31 PM For the record, it may not surprise readers of this thread to know that while I believe that "The Clinton campaign--trying to push the idea that Obama would be arisky bet in general election--is using language and making claims that are at best racially insensitive", I do not believe that "The Obama campaign, in turn--hoping to increase its advantage among blacks in South Carolina and beyond--is exaggerating the extent of the Clinton campaign's trangressions". I do believe that [as Little Hawk phrased it] "back and forth sniping" between Hillary Clinton supporters and Barack Obama supporters. And I do believe that this snipping can result in a Republican win, since some supporters of either candidate may decline to vote in the general Presidential election for the other candidate who becomes the Democratic nominee. What can be done about this? Well, for one thing, my suggestion is that Hillary Clinton needs to publically speak out against the use of veiled racially charged language by her supporters. Barack Obama can also speak to the need for unity-Oh right, he's been doing that all along. Well, Obama can continue to speak about unifying America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 08 - 08:36 PM I envy you this opportunity. Easy for you to say. You already have single-payer, not for profit, universal health care where you live. For some of us (me included) this presidential election could be a matter of life and death (inasmuch as some of us, me included, have no access to health care of any sort). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: GUEST,lox Date: 12 Jan 08 - 08:45 PM Ok. You vote for the candidate who's offering free healthcare. Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 08 - 08:55 PM Seeing clearly who you are vcoting for is a differnt, some might say more reliable, basis to send a person into the presidency and the unknown future that waits there over four years, than specific programs and projects which may have to be changed with the coming of new events. This is what happened when Obama took on the issue of trying to get universal health coverage of some sort in Illinois... http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/23/in_illinois_obama_dealt_with_lobbyists/ Essentially, he caved to the lobbyist's demands, and did not deliver on any kind of universal health coverage for the people of Illinois. Conversely, when Kucinich was facing the prospect of selling out the energy consumers while he was mayor of Cleveland by privatizing the public electric utility, he sacrificed his own chances of being reelected to the mayorship and ended up saving the people of Cleveland many millions of dollars when he refused to do so. I can see very clearly who I'm voting for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Bobert Date: 12 Jan 08 - 09:29 PM CarolC, CarolC, CarolC... First of all, I loves you to the bottom of my worn our Crocks, Crooks, 'er whatever they are... If JtS hadn't gotten to you first I wasn't far behind... Might of fact, I was in the same Wes Ginny song writer's contest at Claymont but you know what Wes Ginnyians think about bluesmen... Yeah, a big "duhhhh'...But... ...nevermind that stuff, fir now 'cause it don't matter if Dennis or Obama or JtS or Jesus has the best health care plan right now... No, it doesn't mean nuthin'... Leaders lead... This is all about leadership... The American people have been so beaten down by the corporatists they are on the verge of just throwin' up their hands and sayin', "We quit... You win... Just kill us and make it quick..." It ain't about who has the best health care plan any more... It's about restoring the hope that Bush has worked so hard to tear down... The only thing we fear is fear itself... That's what this election cycle is about... Not specific policies... Not about who has the best handle on health care... It's about someone who can get US over Bush... Dennis, bless his heart, ain't gonna get Americans feelin' like they can go out and be great... I love the guy... I love his policy positions... But he ain't the guy who can restore the good feelings... He's a policy wonk, much like Hillary, but with much better policies but he ain't "the guy ( or gal)"... I am sorry he isn't... I love the guy... I love his ideas... We need him in the mix but... ...sadly, he ain't the guy (or gal)... Wish her were... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Bobert Date: 12 Jan 08 - 09:33 PM Make that "Wish he were..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 08 - 09:49 PM Well, Bobert, from where I'm sitting, Obama looks like just another card carrying member of the corporatocracy. And if it's electibility you're worried about, then maybe you'd better be backing Edwards, because recent polling is indicating that Edwards is the only Democratic candidate who can beat all of the Republican candidates. From my perspective, the only way we're going to prevail over the corporatocracy is to not settle for any more of their BS, no matter how pretty the package they use to deliver it to us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Azizi Date: 12 Jan 08 - 09:52 PM For the record, in my 12 Jan 08 - 06:18 PM post, I failed to include the source of the comments that were quoted in that dailykos article about Hillary Clinton's pollster saying that Latinos don't vote for Black candidates. The source for that quote is http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01/21/080121fa_fact_lizza The New Yorker; The Political Scene; Minority Reports "After New Hampshire, a hint of racial politics." by Ryan Lizza January 21, 2008 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 08 - 11:16 PM I need to address this bit, Bobert... But he ain't the guy who can restore the good feelings... Do you have health coverage, Bobert? If you do, perhaps you can't understand how stressful it is to be over the age of fifty and not have any at all. It's like a black cloud hanging over us that never goes away. It's always there, lurking in the background, even during the happiest of occasions. Restore what good feelings? We've never had anything like that in this country, and we're not likely to as long as almost 50 million of us don't have any access to health care, and about the same number of us are underinsured, and employers can use health insurance as a form of economic blackmail at the bargaining table. Bring on the good feelings! I'm ready for it. But it ain't going to happen until this criminal state of affairs has been corrected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:50 AM True enough. It's a criminal state of affairs that is being maintained for the usual reason...those who are making the most money from it are controlling the agenda from the top down for their own gain. They care not who lives or dies, but they care about their profits. The politicians who serve them have let themselves be bought. The USA media has been compliant, in that they do not expose the real truth of the matter and they keep repeating the old myths. They too have been bought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:43 AM Well said LH. Or to put it in Bobert speak "You ain't got no good feelins iffen you're dead" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Bobert Date: 13 Jan 08 - 08:40 AM Well, yeah, Carol... I totally agree with you that Obama hasn't "promised" to provide health insurance for every American... Yes, I have it but have no faith that my provider wouldn't cancel my policy if, ahhhhhhh, the P-Vine or I get sick... The problem that we all face here isn't necessarially what one candidate promises to do but which candidate best resembles a Trojan Horse... Yeah, the corportaists are gonna shoot down all the Dennis Kucinich's and all the Ron Paul's that come along leaving US with purdy much having to guess what is in the hearts of those that pass the corportists test... John Edwards voted for the Iraq War... That scares me... There were enough people out there providing enough information that Iraq didn't have WMD's for a thinking man with a "good heart" to have not voted for the Iraq War... For the same reason (and many others, gender not included), I cannot bring myself to vote for Clinton... Obama took on the law-and-order righties in Illinois... He had absolutley nothing to gain and everything to loose but he did it... That gives me a glimpse into his "heart"... I believe that Obama is the Trojan Horse... Fo I know that foer sure??? no, I admit I don't but I know that I couldn't vote for anyone who went along with Bush's invasion of Iraq... Would zI like to see Fennis as president... No, I'd ***love*** it.... The first thread I started here in Mudville many years ago was about Dennis's Department of Peace... I am a super Kucinichite... But I am also a realist... At least at some level and Dennis is absolutely not electable as president no matter how bad you and I would like him to be... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Jan 08 - 08:54 AM Didn't Bill Clinton promise universal health coverage back in the last century? And Hillary was supposed to sort out getting it? No good making promises if you can't deliver. And the ability to deliver is going to be dependent on the result of the election, presidential, House and Senate, and on the ability of people to kick up a fuss about getting the things they need. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 13 Jan 08 - 10:30 AM If everyone who agreed with his policies and ideas voted for him, Bobert, he would win. Especially if all of them got his message out to others. The media blackout against Dennis is preventing a lot of people from hearing his message who would support him if they heard it. I know that I couldn't vote for anyone who went along with Bush's invasion of Iraq... Then I suggest that you are supporting the wrong candidate. Obama voted to fund the war. He also voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act. Obama panders to the lobbyists, he supported the war when it came time to pay for it, he supported the Patriot Act when it was time to kill it, when asked, he was unwilling to commit to bringing home the troops by 2012, and he was unwilling to take the use of nuclear weapons against Iran off the table. He's Hillary Clinton lite, as is Edwards. Clinton is the scariest of the bunch, because she's entirely open about being a neocon, but the track records of the other two aren't a whole lot better. That's a good point, McGrath, but I go on the candidates prior history. If a candidate's history shows that their priority is pleasing the lobbyists, I think we can predict what their future actions and decisions will be. If the candidate's history shows that they pander to no special interests, and they base their decisions on what's good for the voters, we can predict that that's what their priority will be in office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jan 08 - 10:38 AM I guess in order to determine if Hillary is a neo-con, one would have to check out her willingness to up the US at risk for the benefit of Israel, and see where she sits on the issues of economic theory. I would agree, though, Obama is a pretty poor subsititure for Kucinich. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 13 Jan 08 - 10:48 AM I guess in order to determine if Hillary is a neo-con, one would have to check out her willingness to up the US at risk for the benefit of Israel, and see where she sits on the issues of economic theory. Her track record in the Senate shows that she is willing to put the US at risk for the benefit of Israel. I don't know as much about her economic theory as I do other issues, but her track record in the Senate shows that she believes that lobbyists and the corporatocracy should have more say in how this country is run than the voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Jan 08 - 11:00 AM So if it be true that her policy positions are (except on the war) generally to the left of Obama, does that imply that she is lying? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 13 Jan 08 - 11:04 AM Which policy positions of hers are you saying are to the left of Obama, Richard? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jan 08 - 11:10 AM Obama has the advantage, of course, of not having been in the senate when the vote on Iraq was taken. Hillary didn't do well by herself, I would certainly admit, but Obama has supported all of the war related stuff that came after. To determine if Hillary was a neo-con, it seems to depend on the definition. I hadn't considered any non-Republicans to be neo-cons, though Joe Lieberman could certainly be put in that camp. Of course, he's an independant now. It seems to me that Obama is at least, if not more, willing to pander to corporate interests than Hillary, which means CarolC is right. Kucinich is the only honest agent of "change." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: artbrooks Date: 13 Jan 08 - 11:19 AM As a matter of curiosity, when Clinton, or Edwards, or Obama (alphabetical order, no preference implied) is nominated, are you folks going to support the Democratic candidate or go off and mope for four years? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jan 08 - 11:24 AM Some of it depends on who the Republicans nominate. If they nominate McCain, I'd vote for anybody the Democrats put up there. If they nominated Ron Paul, I'd have to think about it. If McCain wins, I'll mope. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Donuel Date: 13 Jan 08 - 11:58 AM It is a rare eclipse that Amos Azzi and LittleHawk can all miss the same point I made. To throw out all the good advisors we got to know from the Clinton administration would be a mistake. Robert Reich is one whom I speak of. And when it comes to black power perception and that some blacks will perceive Obama as selling out to the whites, that is sad. The new paradigm of black power could turn on this election and leave the bitter model in the past, or if it fails as in a fraudulant count the bitterness could explode. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Amos Date: 13 Jan 08 - 12:01 PM Well, D., I saw your point going by, but did not comment . Seems plain to me Obama will name the Cabinet he believes he can work with and will give him the best bang for thbuck along the lines of his policies and purposes. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Azizi Date: 13 Jan 08 - 12:31 PM As a matter of curiosity, when Clinton, or Edwards, or Obama (alphabetical order, no preference implied) is nominated, are you folks going to support the Democratic candidate...? -artbrooks It depends on what you mean by "support". I will probably vote for the Democratic candidate, because of the likelihood that the next President will have the opportunity to nominate one or more Supreme Court judges. One thing is for sure-I will definitely not vote for any of the Republican candidates for USA President or any third party candidate for President. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Jan 08 - 01:05 PM When I say that "if it be true" - I'm really just repeating what I have heard. I have read both their manifestos - but very hurriedly - and it seems I need to do it again, unless someone has a point by point summary somewhere....(which is what I really hoped for when I started my "identikit" thread, but no pundit has produced). My very quick reading did not give me a contrary impression to the reportage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Jan 08 - 01:28 PM Here, from today's Observer is quite a telling glance at the rather vacuous rhetoric of the competing candidates (with a comparison with the equally vacuous but different rhetoric our guys go in for): ...Maybe Obama is so successful because he's the supreme master of what American politics excels in: high-flown language that denotes as little as possible. America is curious in that it is the most powerful, influential nation on Earth, it's a doing country, but its politicians rarely spend time on the stump specifying what precisely they will do in case it makes them lose votes. Instead, they settle on emotive, intangible phraseology, such as Hillary Clinton's recent 'I intend to be the President who puts your futures first', uttered in New Hampshire. I listened to all the victory speeches of the winning candidates last week and it was impossible to spot any difference in the message. Mike Huckabee said: 'This election is not about me, it's about we', while Clinton came up with the variant: 'You want this election to be about you.'... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jan 08 - 01:34 PM Ummm...if I missed your point, Donuel, it might have been sheer fatigue or lack of available time... ;-) I agree with you that "The new paradigm of black power could turn on this election and leave the bitter model in the past". That's because Obama is somehow transcending racial definitions altogether....and it's wonderful to see! He comes across simply as a "person"...a very intelligent person. That's what has to be done if the old divisions are finally to be put to rest, we have to become free of the labelling of race itself in our consciousness. When I get up in the morning, the first thing I'm aware of is: "I'm a person"....not "I'm a white person" or "I'm a male person" or "I'm a Canadian".....just "I'm a person". It doesn't matter that I'm white or male or Canadian...so what??? Why should anyone care? I'M A PERSON...that's what matters. People need to get to that point if they are going to be at ease with one another and live as equals free of prejudice. They need to look at themselves and at others and just see...another person. Period. Because a person has the potential to be absolutely anything at all. Bobert - I think, just maybe, that Obama may be that Trojan Horse you're speaking of that will give the corporatocracy a surprise if he is elected. I hope so. If I could vote in the USA, I would continue to support Kucinich and get his message out, but if Obama or Edwards ended up being the officially chosen Democratic candidate for president, then I would support whichever one of them ran. Hillary? I'd be very torn. I don't trust her backers in the least. It would depend who she ran against. Ron Paul? I hope he continues getting his message out loud and clear to the Republicans, because they sure need to hear it. (Huckabee is kind of refreshing in a way...odd...because I don't in any way identify with his evangelical approach or certain of his specific policies. There's something I like about the man personally, though. It's quite intriguing to me.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:10 PM Remember, you can't believe anything that is said during an election and don't forget that politicians have the best of the best when it comes to creating an image. Seems to me that you should look at the past performance of the candidates. Both Hillary and Obama pander to lobbyists. I, too, worry that Obama is not the 'Black Messiah' that people are hoping for. Do not ignore the fact that both of these candidates have supported the Iraq war in one way or another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:15 PM All of this discussion is interesting and enlightening, and well worth doing, but to a large degree, it's fairly academic until after the national party conventions. Then, the choices will be limited. Assuming that you are not going to be so foolish as to vote for a third party–unless there is an obvious nationwide groundswell for that third party and it has a real chance of winning, instead of pulling maybe 3% of the vote–or that you are going to just throw up your hands and say "I'm disgusted! I'm just not going to vote!" in which case . . . (I'm not going to finish this part of the sentence): If, after the conventions, you are presented with the choice of Hillary Clinton versus, say, Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson, who would you vote for? Worth giving some thought, because that may very well be your choice. Don Firth P. S. Don't get the idea that this is my preference and then jump on me for it. As I have said on numerous occasions, my choice is Kucinich, and I will certainly be arguing for him in my precinct caucus. But at this point, it looks like he doesn't have a snowball's chance, so I suggest that those with strong feelings for a particular candidate, especially one who is not doing very well at this point, give some thought to Plan B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Amos Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:17 PM Black Messiah? Who the hell is wanting that? And in what particulars did he "support" the war? I have seen no evidence he pandered to lobbyists; it is clear he did negotiate with them in Illinois, and how could he not? If you don't deal with power, you don't build futures, or get a coalition of vectors. His idealism does not make him an idiot. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:27 PM A quote from Voltaire worth keeping in mind in this context: Le Mieux est l'ennemi du Bien - the Best is enemy of the Good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Amos Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:30 PM Obama as the Trojan Horse has a certain quirky appeal. In any case he is a LOT more likely to change the core memes at play in Washington than Hillary, who was bred on them and plays them well. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:46 PM Settle down, Amos. My comment about Obama as the "Black Messiah" was aimed at those who are attempting to make this into a race-race. As to his record on Iraq, Carol C. has already noted, "Obama voted to fund the war. He also voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act." Kucinich is the only candidate with a proven track record. Seems like the machinery is conspiring against him, though. Thats politics. Once again, voters will have to choose the least offensive candidate which is what discourages people from voting at all. Once again, the U.S. will have to pander to corporate interests. Nothing will change. Personally, I like Obama's message but change for the sake of change is not something I'd vote for. If elected, Obama will do whatever the Democratic machine tells him to do. That makes him very similar to most presidents. The difference is that Obama is an orator with a near perfect image which appeals to a wide range of voters. That doesn't mean he is able to make any real changes. Hope is not the same thing as action. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Bobert Date: 13 Jan 08 - 02:49 PM Now, now, CarolC... I stated that I would not support "anyone who went along with Bush's invasion of Iraq" and I stand by that... Obama was in the Illinios state house at the time the vote was taken 800 miles south east in the US Congress to authorize the invasion... So you can't pin the invasion on Obama but... ...nice try... Yeah, I know Dennis's history during those time and he showed up big time in leading the House debate... I'm truely sorry that Fennis has been disenfranchised by the corporate media... I would rather be fighting for him than anyone out there... Actually, where I live in Page County, Va. Democrats are still considered communists and socialists so fightin 'round these parts is about it: a fight... But I tell ya' what, CarolC... I will commit to work in Dennis's campaign here in Bush/Cheney country should Dennis get the nomination if you'll commit to work for Obama in yer parts if he should get it... Deal??? B;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jan 08 - 03:05 PM Sounds reasonable. ;-) Why do you keep typing "Fennis", Bobert? It's quite distracting. Fennis sounds like a good name for a cat to me...and I think if I acquire another feline and he's male, that is what I shall call him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:07 PM Sounds like a fair proposition, Bobert. That's what I'll be doing. If Kucinich doesn't make the Democratic nomination, I'll be working for whichever candidate does—and that includes Hillary. Unless that hypothetical third party (liberal-progressive) I spoke of comes on like a tsunami and looks like it has a very good chance. We've had Republicans up the ziggy lately, and frankly, my ziggy is pretty sore! Let's give the Democrats a chance to screw things up. Maybe if both the Reps and the Dems take things into the realm of the totally fubar, people may get sufficiently disgusted that we will get a viable liberal-progressive third party. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:17 PM "Let's give the Democrats a chance to screw things up. Maybe if both the Reps and the Dems take things into the realm of the totally fubar, people may get sufficiently disgusted that we will get a viable liberal-progressive third party." My thoughts exactly. ;-) That's how it works in Canada too...only we normally have 3 or more parties to choose among as to who gets the next chance to screw things up. That makes it a little more enlivening, I think. I'd love to see a truly viable 3rd party in the USA...one that could win a national election, I mean...not just serve as a spoiler to screw up things for one of the Big Two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Bobert Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:29 PM Gol danged it, Fiddle Hawk... PM WYSuzie... She'll tell ya why... No, forget it... I'll tell ya'... Ya' see, I never took typin' as a second language so I don't know which key is, ahhhhh, which key and seein' as my keyboard is so worn out that the only letters that is left showin' are q,x,v an' z... The rest are wored off... Now, sure you can say, "Well, Bobetrz, yo gotta a screen to llok at and I fo look at the screwen and find 'bout 9 outta 10 typos but my lexdexia missed the 10th one and so poor ol' Deenis ends up Fennis on occasion... It ain't no Fuedual thing 'er nuthin'... Really... I love Fennis, I really do... B;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:33 PM LH - I think that's the answer to the whole thing. A competetive third party would really help things along. The way it is now, one party takes a position on something, so the other party takes what they consider to be the opposing position. There might be a number of better ideas out there, but they never get heard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: CarolC Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:48 PM And in what particulars did he "support" the war? I have seen no evidence he pandered to lobbyists; it is clear he did negotiate with them in Illinois, and how could he not? If you don't deal with power, you don't build futures, or get a coalition of vectors. His idealism does not make him an idiot. I answered these questions in my 12 Jan 08 - 08:55 PM post. He pandered to the lobbyists in Iowa. He did not compromise with them. They ended up getting exactly what they wanted and the people of Illinois got zilch. I stated that I would not support "anyone who went along with Bush's invasion of Iraq" and I stand by that... Obama was in the Illinios state house at the time the vote was taken 800 miles south east in the US Congress to authorize the invasion... So you're saying you can't vote for anyone who went along with the invasion, but you have no problem with voting for someone who helped keep the war going and voted to fund the occupation? I don't see too much difference myself. But I tell ya' what, CarolC... I will commit to work in Dennis's campaign here in Bush/Cheney country should Dennis get the nomination if you'll commit to work for Obama in yer parts if he should get it... Deal??? To answer you and also artbrooks, probably not. I will probably write Kucinich's name in if he doesn't decide to run independently. If he runs independently, I will, of course, vote for him. If those other people want my vote, they're going to have to earn it. So far, I'm not impressed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jan 08 - 04:52 PM Bobert... Buy a new keyboard! Do it now. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:08 PM Dragon Naturally Speaking voice recognition software. You talk at your computer and what you say appears on the screen. It costs a buck or two ($149, unless you get it on one of their $99 specials). 'Swonderful! 'Smarvelous! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:15 PM It might be that F is next to D. Most voice recognition software is great for expanding the vocabulary. You look at what it says you said and your vocabulary expands massively. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:36 PM Dragon version 9 is pretty accurate. Much better than earlier versions. But you still have to proof-read. Yet, even with proof-reading, I find it's about three times as fast as straight typing. But when it goofs, it can sometimes get pretty funny! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Stringsinger Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:36 PM I am not enthusiastic about any of the candidates for various reasons but I will support a Democratic frontrunner to get rid of Republicans. Obama would be an interesting choice because he will bring out all the venom and racism that the Republicans have to offer. Turd Blossom made it very clear that he intends to trash Obama not stopping at racial slurs. In the meantime, Obama is a personality but is not articulating any strategies for the major issues of the country. He reverts to evangelical preacher style. His charisma seems to be carrying him. Hillary is more of a corporatist. She has the backing of the defense industry and the pharmaceutical companies. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Bobert Date: 13 Jan 08 - 06:22 PM Well, CarolC, exactly which lobbiest paid Obama to require videao cameras during interogations??? (It was Kodak, Bobert...) Nevermind... As fir voice activated computers, no thnaks... They'd prolly just argue with me... B;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jan 08 - 06:26 PM Imagine Elmer Fudd using a voice-operated computer... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: Big Mick Date: 13 Jan 08 - 07:50 PM Ladies and Gentlemen of the world, let me introduce to you the one and only, the indisputable, the absolutely phenomenally best purveyor of the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory .... the U.S. Democratic Party and the unfocused, illogical, and completely self centered minions of individual agendas known as the American Left. This talented bunch of fools, many of them right here for your inspection in this thread, will continue to amaze you with their breath taking lack of understanding that the Democratic Left in this country is the sum of its parts, that consensus is the only way it will win. You will be left breathless as you watch them march fearlessly to their political deaths by accusing one another of sexual and racial politics. Watch them, once again, alienate the all important political middle, while their opponents settle on a McCain or Huckabee that can also appeal to the American middle. Watch them squander, yet again, the golden opportunity to truly change the paradigm. I urge you not to miss this chance to watch the spectacle, as it very well may be the last one in this lifetime. How many times, O Lord, must I watch this. We have a situation where all we have to do is have a campaign based on issues and charisma, let it play out, and we will have a President that can set the agenda for years to come just as Reagan did for the right. And I watch you all debate whether the Clintons are racists or whether Obama is black enough. And you may take it from the only one among you who has actually run a Presidential campaign in a major State. If that sounds arrogant, so be it, but it is the truth. We can blow this thing, and it can happen while you are all savaging the leaders over narrow agendas. Democrats, and the left, can ONLY win if they can find consensus among groups as disparate as working class hunters and vegetarians, environmentalists and building tradesmen, traditional religious and progressives, agnostic and atheist middle class folks, African Americans, Latin Americans, Jewish Americans, and the white Middle class. To do this is a real trick, when you see them doing what they are doing now. Fools. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: artbrooks Date: 13 Jan 08 - 07:53 PM Amen, Mick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama From: artbrooks Date: 13 Jan 08 - 08:00 PM BTW: 500! |
