BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 09:57 PM

Wooooooohoooooo!!!

I never got a one thousand before! I ROCK.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 10:13 PM

Well, I agree with the excellence of your fine accomplishment...;>)

I am not worried about O. getting rubbed out.

It could happen but I don't see it as probable right now.

When he start pulling the levers, we will see who gets pissed then.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 10:16 PM

I love the tenor of this thread.

....and I don't think I have ever got 1000.... gonna have to work on that....***chuckle***

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 10:21 PM

And all the aging Mudcatters say
They could of nailed it any day;
They only let it go so long
Out of kindness, I suppose.

GG-

You rock!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 10:29 PM

Thank yew. Thank yew very much.

Elvis exits.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 10:55 PM

Wasn't Nixon a Quaker? Wasn't Jefferson something? A theist or something not overly denominational? I bet there are others we could come up with. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 11:01 PM

Indeed Nixon was a Quaker. However, the Quakers are still considered to be under the 'Protestant' side of the Christian umbrella.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 09:27 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Barack Obama has won the Democrats Abroad global primary, giving him 11 straight victories in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

The Illinois senator won the primary in which Democrats living in more than 30 countries voted by Internet, mail and in person. The voting took place over the course of a week, beginning Feb. 5.

Hillary Rodham Clinton has not won a nominating contest since Super Tuesday, more than two weeks ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 11:16 AM

WASHINGTON, Feb 20, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Hoffa Makes Announcement Following Texas Meeting With Obama

Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa announced today the union's endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama for president. The endorsement is the first step in mobilizing the union's 1.4 million members and their families to elect Obama.

"Senator Obama understands the challenges working people face every day," Hoffa said. "He is the candidate in the best position to lead our movement to restore the American dream for working people in this country. Senator Obama will fight for better wages, real health care reform, stronger retirement security, fair trade and an end to the outsourcing of good jobs. He understands the importance of giving workers a voice at work and will fight for strong unions to help rebuild America's middle class."

The endorsement decision follows a meeting in Austin, Texas, between Hoffa and Obama, and completes a months-long process that included scientific polling of Teamster members, surveys of local union and joint council leaders and deliberations by the union's democratically elected General Executive Board.

"We have been fortunate to have candidates throughout the Democratic primary who are friends of working families and the Teamsters Union," Hoffa said. "We are pleased that all of the Democratic candidates have focused on issues of importance to working people, including wages, health care, retirement security, fair trade and outsourcing."

The union's endorsement immediately activates the union's 50-state election program, with special emphasis on swing states.

"Senator Obama will stand with the Teamsters when it comes to fighting for working families," Hoffa said. "This endorsement begins a partnership to change America. Together we will reinvent the political process and give a voice to those who have been ignored by the Bush administration for the past eight years."

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So...do I get this right? Obama has brought Jim Hoffa back? I mean, how can you NOT vote for him if he can do stuff like that? ;>0



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 11:47 AM

On thing you'll have to admit. Jimmy Hoffa is persistent.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 12:01 PM

See, now, if Hillary was paying attention she would immediately jump on this and completely turn things around by starting a campaign decrying Obama's use of voodoo and juju and mojo to resurrect Mister James Hoffa from the bottom of the Long Island Sound or the East River. But she doesn't have the imagination to realize what an opportunity she is passing up.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 12:18 PM

She might not have the voodoo either, if, in fact, that went away with Ronald Reagan.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 12:49 PM

An' she sure ain't got no Mojo wukkin'....


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 01:06 PM

Amos-

Hoffa the Elder is, as you well know, still buried in concrete under some major building project in the great Detroit area (was it the new stadium?). His son is a chip off the old block, so to speak, but evidently more sensitive and better educated.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 01:35 PM

AH, Charley, I knew that, but I was falling in with the current fad of making Big Political Footballs out of molehills. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 05:43 PM

" WASHINGTON (AP) Ñ The new Change to Win labor federation gave its first presidential endorsement to Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday, saying its 6 million members could help push him over the top and into the general election as the Democratic nominee.
"We think we can make a difference," chair Anna Burger said. "We think it's time to bring this nomination to a close."
The endorsement came after a teleconference between Change to Win's leaders and the heads of the seven unions that make up the federation. The federation's members will now head to the crucial election states of Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island for the upcoming March 4 primaries, as well as in Pennsylvania on April 22.
Change to Win has 175,000 members in Ohio, 60,000 in Texas and 25,000 in Rhode Island, Burger said. Besides leafletting, knocking on doors and advocating for Obama at workplaces, Burger said she expected more than 100,000 Change to Win voters to participate in the Ohio primary alone."

Te International Herald Trib also reported on Obama winning the voters-abroad contingent, as large as a small state.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:22 PM

"'We think we can make a difference,'" chair Anna Burger said"


                If it had been Hamilton Burger, he would have been certain.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:45 PM

Guest - That's a point I've been trying to make for a while now.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:46 PM

WASHINGTON Ñ Senator Barack Obama won his 11th straight nominating contest on Thursday, carrying the Democrats Abroad global primary by a 2-to-1 margin over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and prevailing among American expatriates in every region of the world.

The results represented thousands of ballots submitted from Americans in 164 countries and territories from Feb. 5 to 12.

The overseas Democrats were allocating a small number of delegates Ð 4.5 Ñ on Thursday, under a proportional system that allotted 2.5 to Obama and 2 to Clinton. A further 2.5 will be determined at a Democrats Abroad convention on April 12 in Vancouver, Canada. The group also holds 4 superdelegate votes, for a total of 11 votes at the national convention in late August in Denver.

But in a close contest, Democrats Abroad said they felt particularly engaged.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM

February 21, 2008
BOSTONÑBarack Obama lost the popular vote among Massachusetts Democrats, but is gaining an edge among the state's so-called "superdelegates."

Democratic National Committee member Margaret Xifaras (EX'-ah-FARE-is) of New Bedford is endorsing Obama for president.

Xifaras had been uncommitted, but she says she was drawn to Obama's campaign.

An ongoing tally of Massachusetts' 26 Democratic superdelegates by The Associated Press now shows 11 supporting Obama, nine backing Clinton and six undeclared.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:50 PM

Well -- I submit it is an unrealistic point. But we have to roll it out to see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 09:24 PM

"Drive throughout Dixie and look at the flags waving on every house - the Confederate Flag." Do those people generally vote Democrat these days?

(Here in the UK of course if someone displays that flag, say on a T-shirt, it just indicates a liking for Country Music, it doesn't have any particular political significance.)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 09:49 PM

Well, Hillary got the last word but her last word was that she was honored to be on the same platform as Obama and the American people would do well to unite behind either of them.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 10:49 PM

In the debate tonight, when Hillary was asked about negative things she'd said about Obama, she backed off--did not say Obama was "all hat and no cattle" again ( but did not admit he had some specific proposals.   Or when she affirmed her earlier criticism--"plagiarism"-- she came off as petty.

I thought Obama had the most important line of the night--obviously I don't claim to be impartial.

But he said: "It's time to stop bickering".

And she still hasn't learned that.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:05 AM

To say "It's time to stop bickering" while participating in a presidential debate sounds like you have missed the point entirely, though.

You see, this is the problem I have w/Obama. His dismissive arrogance.

I don't think that will continue to play well once he gets beyond preaching to the choir.

Remember, the people who are flocking to Obama now are not the same people who will be voting come November. They are a much tougher sell.

Obama is still getting a free pass, as far as I'm concerned. That means, once it gets to the rough and tumble of the actual campaign, he is likely going to be making a lot of mistakes.

Anyone notice how quickly (less than 24 hours) McCain stomped out the sleeping with the slut story--which has brought down more than one president and presidential candidate in the past?

Frankly, I don't think Obama & his campaign have the chops to defeat McCain. One of the reasons why is this arrogance. You see it Obama, and you see it even more in his wife, whom I see as a real liability in the fall campaign. Somebody needs to stuff a sock in that woman's mouth, or there is no hope for getting rid of the War Machine Party come November.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Kweku
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:34 AM

Anyone who dismisses Obama as a flash in the pan is politically naive. Most elections are won by people who inspires the "ordinary soft people".

Put McCain and Obama side by side and most will go for Obama, for him to floor Clinton of all people state after state is no fluke. even conspiracy theorists like myself is beginning to take a second look at his candidature. Let's admit the man is infectious and it will take more than a miracle for both the Clintons and Republicans to stop him.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:38 AM

Guest-Guest - I agree. Arrogance it is. And his wife is quoted as saying, "I've never been proud of America before, but I'm proud of America now." That will play well to the Huckabee suporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:46 AM

Yah, that will go down well at Camp Pendleton too. And among the uber patriotic Hispanic voting bloc, and large percentage of which voted for Bush in 2000. Especially when they look at what Obama's position is on Mexico & immigration, and what McCain's is.

Another thing that bothers me is that Obama has no real ties to military families. He can't win in November without reaching out to them, and reassuring him that their service hasn't been in vain (even though I personally believe it was a complete sham).

McCain comes off as calm, modest, humble, and knows how to work connections to people who vote in EVERY election, not just the lemming designer voters who won't go to the polls unless they have a rock star candidate to support.

Problem with relying on the so-called "youth" vote or "campus" vote is, most of those kids have to vote by absentee ballot, which is something most of them never quite get around to doing...

The over 50 brigade, OTOH...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:00 AM

One other thing--McCain's age won't be a factor to boomer voters who are now all over 50, because there isn't a larger anti-aging contingency of voters in the history of the friggin' world than the vain boomers. They won't have any more problem voting for him than they did for Reagan, especially with the choice being a historic candidate that doesn't have much going for him beyond being historic, sparkly and new.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:00 AM

Obama may be able to win the General Election without the Huckabee supporters. But you may have a point that some patriotic voters, the super zealots, may also feel more comfortable voting for McCain. If that support adds up to a majority of the vote come November, I'd be surprised and disappointed.

I believe that Obama has proven that he can mobilize the center and I fervently hope that he can take back American from the misguided or blatently greedy plunderers who have been in control for the last 7 years.

I do find it hard to understand why some posters here would characterize Obama as "arrogant." Most commentators find his style inclusive, reaching out, avoiding direct attack but persisting in trying to achive his goals, a style more culturally identified with women than with men. Where did you harvest such a characterization, or is it some personal revelation?

I must say that Clinton appears a whole lot more humble now than she did a few months ago. Maybe she's learned something in the campaign process.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:03 AM

I agree, in general, with the assessment that this fight is going to be much tougher than the starry eyed, clamoring for change, voters think it is going to be. McCain, in the main, is perceived to be an honorable guy, who served his country well, a maverick (are you paying attention, out there????) who is not beholden to special interests, and who is able to work with both sides of the aisle. HELLLLOOOOOOOOO...... are you listening? His position on the war, and his clinging to supply side economics, should sink him. But if the Democratic candidate isn't careful, and doesn't control the direction of the debate, keeping focus on the war and shrinking middle class, ..... if that person doesn't have concrete plans, and allows himself/herself to be defined by the opposition.... the great middle will fall into a comfort zone and surprise the shit out of you.

Guest, while I don't think it is as grave as you, (I believe McCain has plenty of vulnerabilities) I do absolutely agree that this isn't the walk in the park that some think it is. I remember sitting in my office, back in 2000 when I was running the Michigan Gore campaign, watching the Republican debates during the primary time. I remember a senior activist hoping Bush would win the primary. I asked him why. He responded, "because we can kick that guys ass". Didn't quite work out that way.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:38 AM

That will play well to the Huckabee suporters.

Is it very likely that many Huckabee supporters will be voting for any Democrat?
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As for Obama being "arrogant" - isn't the more traditional word in this context "uppity"?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 10:12 AM

What you saw, Gigi , wa snot arrogance but an effort to elevate the conversation -- a mature response to the kind of petty-minded granfaloons that were being tossed around. On the otherhand, if you perceived this as arrogance, consider the possibility of projection, and that accusations are often confessions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 10:24 AM

"I've never been proud of America before, but I'm proud of America now."

Rig:

THose were not her words. And in the context of the actual words, the meaning was clear, and not what you impute it to be. This sort of literal-minded twisting, to make it appear she meant something she did not, is really beneath you, unintelligent and unbecoming, and certainly beneath the dialogue she was engaged in. She also took the trouble, for those who were too tin-eared to get what she was saying, to issue a clarification the next day as to what she was describing. Would it be too much trouble to include that in your torqued compuitations? Just to be, shall we say, fair and balanced?



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 10:45 AM

Yes, well, that's the reason I wrote "quoted as saying," instead of attributing it directly to her. I think I heard that on Sean Hannity, which is, in fact, a fair and balanced source. Just ask him.
             Also, I didn't know she'd clarified the remark later.

             Still he does seem a little arrogant to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM

Arrogance can be a virtue, too, if no-one else is willing to jack the show up above the gutter level of mass mob-mad thinkery pokery. It has to be handled with caution though. So far, from what I have seen, Obama has used just a pinch here and there; for the most part he is very democratic and very friendly. In the context of the debate it made him look more the chief executive than his opponent, not such a bad thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:20 PM

This is the sort of crap out of Obama I'm talking about re: military families, and the military in general:

Fact check: Obama's story about Afghanistan platoon hard to verify

Associated Press



WASHINGTON - Democrat Barack Obama says the war in Iraq, which he opposes, has pulled troops away from Afghanistan and left soldiers there without proper equipment.

He underscored his point in the Democratic debate Thursday by telling a story about a rifle platoon in Afghanistan that allegedly didn't have enough soldiers or weapons to do its job, leaving the platoon to scrounge for weapons from the Taliban.

His source was an anonymous Army captain, whom his campaign refused to identify Friday.

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THE SPIN:

"You know, I've heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon," Obama said. "Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq,"

"And as a consequence, they didn't have enough ammunition, they didn't have enough Humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.

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THE FACTS:

The Obama campaign offered no details to support the captain's story, making it impossible to verify. A spokesman did not immediately respond to questions about who the captain was and when and how the candidate learned about the allegation.

ABC News said it talked to the unidentified captain, whose account of shortages in Afghanistan was for the most part accurately summarized by Obama, although not verified.

The captain said, however, that the unit did not go after the Taliban for the purpose of getting their weapons, but sometimes used those weapons when some were captured.

The Pentagon has acknowledged forces are stretched, but spokesman Bryan Whitman said that without knowing more, he could not comment on the veracity of Obama's claim, except to say: "I find that account pretty hard to imagine."

Whitman contended "all of our units and service members that go into harm's way are properly trained, equipped and with the leadership to be successful for the mission that they've been given."

Obama said the platoon was supposed to have 39 soldiers. A platoon does not have to consist of 39, but can have between 16 to 40 soldiers, according to standard Army unit organization. It is also commanded by a lieutenant and not a captain.

According to the ABC report, the captain was a lieutenant when he took command of the rifle platoon.

Sen. John Warner, a supporter of likely GOP presidential nominee John McCain, sent Obama a letter Friday asking for details about the platoon and the name and whereabouts of the captain, so he can tell military officials about it at an upcoming hearing. Warner is ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

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By Ann Sanner

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:39 PM

Obama's words seem to be pretty consistent with "THE FACTS" given there.

Well, perhaps not with the Pentagon spokesman's comments - but then that should surely have been placed in the section marked "THE SPIN".

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM

Errr. I believe that ABC (and CNN) got the name of the Captain from the Obama Campaign with the stipulation that ABC (and CNN) would not identify him, and get him courtmartialed. The story I heard only varied in detail from what Obama said, but feel free to spin it any way you want.

Yes, the Captain admitted, his squad did make use of their inventory of captured Taliban machine guns when their own machine gun broke down. However, when they were inspected they were careful to replace the working Taliban machine gun with the broken U.S. one.

I really love it when posters seeking the "truth" want other people to sacrifice their careers for their interest. Why don't you volunteer for a tour to Afganistan.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:59 PM

Here is the deal with me Charley. I'm not for or against Obama, any more than I am for or against Clinton.

The problem I have is with dumb ass Democrats who are more interested in feeling good about the candidate they support, than about getting rid of the perpetual war boys on the other side. That makes me sick, and it is deja vu all over again, as far as I'm concerned.

It matters not one whit what I think about this story. What YOU should care about, as an Obama devotee, is the fact that he doesn't have a grasp of the basic facts of the military, that he is scaremongering for political gain in the eyes of many military personnel and their families, and that he has very much been for the war after he was against the war, by voting to continue the funding for it ever since he arrived in Washington.

This story is yet another demonstration of his lack of a grasp on the facts. He is a really, really smart guy in so many ways. Except, it seems, the whys, whats, and wherefores of how to beat Perpetual War Man on that other team.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:02 PM

Of course, I'm also for Nader jumping in with John Edwards to do a 3rd party/indie run. Now there's a dream ticket for ya.

Tune in to Meet the Press on Sunday. Ralph will be there.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:26 PM

I think, behind the fog of scrimmage, he is making a good point. Bear in mind, bright eyes, that it was Afghanistan -- not Iraq -- that harbored bin Laden in September of 2001, and pretended he was not there. While Iraq has of course claimed all the headlines in the eyes of those who would like to relive WW II by starting it over again -- a misguided dramatization -- it is worth considering that Afghanistan is the greater offender by far.

This is still yesterday's discussion, though, as there is no telling where the strategic nerve center of al Queda is if in fact it has one, and if in fact it is al Queda that is driving what terrorism still operates in the Muslim world. I have very little hard data about either of those things, if you separate them out from the insurgency that still pops up in Iraq which is not anti-US terrorism as much as it is civil fires.

Hundreds of thousands of dead have not balanced the books for the 3,000 who dies on September 11, because it is not really about injury but about insult.

Anyway, I suggest Obama might be onto something here.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:29 PM

"Anyway, I suggest Obama might be onto something here."

Yeah sure, if it was the summer of 2003. Your boy hasn't exactly been spearheading the anti-war movement though, Amos. And that was all it was about for you in 2004, you hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 12:10 AM

I am not sure what you mean, there, garbage mouth. What was "all it was about" -- being against the war? Whatever are you on about?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 08:41 AM

WASHINGTON (AP) Ñ The Democratic superdelegates are starting to follow the voters Ñ straight to Barack Obama.
In just the past two weeks, more than two dozen of them have climbed aboard his presidential campaign, according to a survey by The Associated Press. At the same time, Hillary Rodham Clinton's are beginning to jump ship, abandoning her for Obama or deciding they now are undecided.

The result: He's narrowing her once-commanding lead among these "superdelegates," the Democratic office holders and party officials who automatically attend the national convention and can vote for whomever they choose.
As Obama has reeled off 11 straight primary victories, some of the superdelegates are having second Ñ or third Ñ thoughts about their public commitments.
Take John Perez, a Californian who first endorsed John Edwards and then backed Clinton. Now, he says, he is undecided.

"Given where the race is at right now, I think it's very important for us to play a role around bringing the party together around the candidate that people have chosen, as opposed to advocating for our own choice," he said in an interview.
Clinton still leads among superdelegates Ñ 241 to 181, according to the AP survey. But her total is down two in the past two weeks, while Obama's is up 25. Since the primaries started, at least three Clinton superdelegates have switched to Obama, including Rep. David Scott of Georgia, who changed his endorsement after Obama won 80 percent of the primary vote in Scott's district. At least two other Clinton backers have switched to undecided.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 08:44 AM

This U.S. election represents a major inflection point for that country as well as for Canada and the world.

Obama will crush Hillary and then McCain in the fall, a new comprehensive poll shows.

Why? Because America is not working like it used to and has deteriorated in the past generation into more have-nots than haves. This is not news, but now the have-nots, and other disenchanted voters, are turning out in record numbers to vote.

This week's poll shows Obama with a 14-point edge over Clinton, 52% to 38%, after being in a statistical tie last month. In a head-to-head matchup, Obama beats McCain 47% to 40%.

Obama is uniting those left behind by the Republicans and other social Darwinists who have exclusively looked after -- to quote President George Bush -- the "haves" and "have mores." Enormous tax cuts go to rich people, while the rest are given a stern lecture by the Republicans about the benefits of hard work and the American dream, which, by the way, is mostly unobtainable if you were born a member of a minority or if you cannot stay healthy or are educated.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 09:54 AM

Obama is out-spending Clinton 8 to 1 in Texas.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 10:07 AM

And your point is, Rig?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 11:59 AM

"Over 2,000 March at Prairie View, a Reminder of Young Voters' Engagement in '08 Election
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2008
By: BlackAmericaWeb.com

A huge banner carried Tuesday by Prairie View A&M University students at the head of a march to the Waller County Courthouse said it all: "It's 2008. We will vote."

The Prairie View students, hundreds of them, waited for hours in line to vote after walking seven miles from campus to the county seat. Students say they wanted to protest changes the county recently made in early polling locations and show officials the impact of their political participation.

The unofficial crowd estimate was 2,200, said Prairie View Student Government Association President Andre Evans. He said about 3,000 Prairie view students in total are registered to vote.

Waller County had reduced the number of early voting locations from about six around the county to only one at its courthouse because county officials said they could not afford to operate multiple early voting locations.

After getting pressure from federal government, the county added three early voting locations, still there was not one announced for the Prairie View campus, convenient to students. An early voting site will be open this weekend at a community center in Prairie View.

The activism demonstrated by the Prairie View students is yet another example of trends observers across the country are noting as more people between the ages of 18 and 30 register to vote and take roles in political campaigns".


http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/prairieviewprotest220

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 12:14 PM

responding to yesterday's comments:

"I have the courage of my convictions!"

"YOU are a bit over-confident."

"HE is arrogant!"


-swiped from a Sidney J. Harris column of 40 years ago.