BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 02:15 PM

David Letterman: Top Ten Signs Barack Obama Is Overconfident.

"10. Proposed bill to change Oklahoma to 'Oklabama.'

9. Offered Bush 20 bucks for the 'Mission Accomplished' banner.

8. Asked guy at Staples, 'Which chair will work best in an oval-shaped office?'

7. The affair with Barbara Walters.

6. Having head measured for Mount Rushmore.

5. Guy sits around eating soup all day.

4. He's voting for Nader.

3. Offered McCain a job in gift shop at Obama Presidential Library.

2. Announced his running mate will be Andy Dick.

1. Been cruising for chicks with John Edwards."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:39 PM

Uhurus are correct about Obama – here's the truth

By Glen Ford | Guest Commentary

"What about the Black community, Obama?" read the banner held by Uhuru Movement members two weeks ago at what was supposed to be the usual Barack Obama pep rally in St. Petersburg. In Orlando the next day, National Urban League President Marc Morial vowed that the candidate would be asked, "What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?"

Obama has hard-wired himself to avoid answering such questions. Obama's catechism is always some variation of his "There is no Black America, there is no White America..." speech at the Democratic National Convention in Boston. He seldom acknowledges, and then only grudgingly, that African Americans continue to be subjected to institutionalized harms that are qualitatively different than those endured by Whites of any social strata.

In St. Pete, Obama mischaracterized his positions on predatory lending, the Jena Six, Sean Bell's death, and Hurricane Katrina. Here's the truth:

• Obama's April 2007 legislation against "fraudulent and predatory lending practices," the Stop Fraud Act, makes no mention of racial patterns in lending abuse. Nine months later, Obama's response was the weakest of the three 'top tier' Democratic primary candidates. "Only Obama has not called for a moratorium and interest-rate freeze...he has remained silent on further financial regulations," wrote Max Fraser in the January 24 issue of The Nation.

• ABC News reported on September 20, 2007 that Obama expressed indignation over the plight of the six Black teenagers in Jena, La. just 24 hours after reports surfaced that the Rev. Jesse Jackson had said Obama was 'acting like he's White' for not doing more to publicize the situation in Jena. Two weeks earlier, Obama appeared "visibly uncomfortable" by the question and said the teens 'appear to have been railroaded into a very difficult situation," but he would not say
what remedy he hoped to see in the case, according to ABC.

• Following the acquittal of New York City cops in the Sean Bell killing, Obama issued a statement: "We're a nation of laws, so we respect the verdict that came down. Resorting to violence to express displeasure over a verdict is something that is completely unacceptable and is counterproductive." In contrast, Hillary Clinton was empathetic: "My thoughts are with (Bell's fiancé) Nicole and her children and the rest of Sean's family during this diffi- cult time. The court has given its verdict, and now we await the conclusion of a Department of Justice civil rights investigation. We must also...take steps in our communities, in our law enforcement agencies, and in our government, to make sure this does not happen again."

• In 2005, Obama absolved FEMA of what the vast majority of Blacks saw as racist behavior: "...I do not subscribe to the notion that the painfully slow response of FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security was racially-based. The ineptitude was colorblind." Obama has gone to extreme lengths to deny the significance of race in the Katrina catastrophe, and pointedly refuses to attribute even the historical, past ills of New Orleans to race.

• As a state senator from a majority Black Chicago district, Obama did work against racial profiling, But his remarks on the death penalty give the impression that Obama opposes capital punishment. He doesn't.

As usual, Obama presented the Urban League convention with a reprise of his 2004 Democratic National Convention speech: "Our march is a march for America. Not Black America or White America. Not rich America or poor America, rural America or urban America. But all America... An America where hard work is still a ticket to the middle class - and you can make it if you try."

Barack Obama's America is a place where nobody calls racism by its name, where Black grievances are made illegitimate through the logic of race neutrality, the truth be damned."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:50 PM

Odd - despite all the efforts of folks like Sawxbog, and others even more rabid, and despite the fact he hasn't been around at all, Obama's ratings are still ahead of McCain's nation wide. All those millions of dollars of distortion and hatred just kinda went into the landfill, I guess. Kinda frustrating for the hatemongers, though.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 10:35 PM

The landfills are, of course, where campaigns have been run in America, since the advent of Ronald Reagan.
                        Maybe if Obama would spend some time standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona his fortunes would rise. He could loosen his load and dump MoveOn.org. Or he could make a deal with Tony Soprano, or...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 01:26 AM

...or he could bow out and advise his backers to all vote for Chongo in November.

I personally think that if he ever does get elected president, it will ruin his life. Chongo on the other hand...Chongo has a thick enough skin to survive anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 04:26 AM

This just came across:

Could be a possibility....... Maybe that's why Denver, worried about demonstrators and riots, has erected chain link fences with barb wire inside a large warehouse as holding pens......

It Ain't Over 'Til the Fat Lady Sings and She Just Hired New Songwriters

August 11, 2008

The Washington and New York news phones lines were buzzing last night and again this morning. The news is considered so volatile two national news producers were telephoned after 11:30 last night for their input. The story? Hillary Clinton is removing her support (such as it was) from Barack Obama and plans for a knock-down floor fight for the nomination at the Democrat Convention in Denver.

The reason for this is simple, she thinks she can win the nomination, and only she can win the General, and so do many top old line Democrats.

Support for Obama from the Washington Democrat power elite has been all but absent in the last month. The Super Senators, Kennedy, Biden, Dodd, Schumer and others have not been making headlines for Obama. Terry McAuliffe has been all but silent, and "Screaming Dean"; who pressed his mute button? The two co chairs of the national "Our Great-Great-Great Grandfathers were oppressed… so give us money" crusade, Jackson and Sharpton must be on tour in Mongolia, because they haven't been making headlines for Obama here.

One overriding argument pervades all their thinking, Obama can't win the National, and Hillary can. The poll results after Obama's "We Is The World" tour have been a disaster. It provided a dip, rather than a bump for Barack! Pollsters expected him to be at least 12 to 14 points ahead now, and he is even at best. Obama always gets results about 4% less than he polls, so if the election were held today, it would be McCain in monstrous win.

The Obama decline is clearly indicated in one supposed battleground state, Florida. Obama was up until recently. Now Obama is now down 6 among all voters and one reliable unreleased poll has McCain up 8 among the likely voters. On top of it all, Obama is still sinking, and what possible new message to attract voters does he have? When he shouts "We Must Change", the crowd is thinking, "Oh, he's changing his position again."

I was with him in Lakeland last week (on assignment.) The small crowd was not pumped at all.

With that in mind, Hillary is warming up the crowds, and the hormones. She has had the Summer off. She is rested. There was plenty of time for charm lessons.

She can go to Denver not officially supporting, but certainly not discouraging, a floor vote movement. Her mantra? "Count Every Vote!"

The upstart's message would be very clear; "We Want Hillary For President, and She Wants It Too!"

Hillary would never attack Obama publicly, but loudly decry, "Those Republicans for Barack's disastrous slide in the polls."

Remember, she is only a few votes behind him in the Democrat delegate count, has never released her delegates, and the delegates, especially the Super delegates, can vote for whomever they wish. There is no legal mandate to support the candidate they promised to support back when they were elected in the primaries."

Who would support Hillary? The list is extensive.

First, old line Democrat Labor. They have votes, a "volunteering" machine and money . . . and are far from wild about Obama.

Secondly, the Gay vote. They rarely declare why they are for a candidate, but they have huge amounts of money, and are madly in love with Hillary (in more ways than one, perhaps?)

The Democrat political machine, all the way down to county level. They want coattails.

The Hispanic vote. Hispanics don't like Obama (or Blacks in general) very much. Hispanics love Hillary.

The Women. Down deep, the Rev. Wright may be acceptable to the far left wing of the Democrat party but he scares the hell out of middle of the road women. Democrats can expect the Republican 527s to pound that Rev. Wright Obama connection again and again in the General.

Hard core Feminists. Do we need an explanation here?

Finally, the Black vote! Of course there would be a revolt in the ranks . . . for about 10 days. But, then Jackson and Sharpton would explain that it was necessary because of the all the damage Republicans had done to Obama . . . and a Clinton Obama ticket is orgasmic for Democrats.

Why would Jackson and Sharpton be onboard? Because they have to be, and because they hate Obama. He didn't "pay his dues in blood in the streets of Selma." He didn't "March with Martin".

Worst of all for them, an Obama in the White House takes away all the "Poor Oppressed Black People Need Government Help… (and our help, personally) rap that has empowered Jackson and Sharpton for decades. Also, Obama is an ACORN man, not Rainbow/PUSH or National Action Network.

Obama would be told, "You cannot win. That's your fault. Take the VP slot and smile . . . and be President in eight years, or leave quietly now."

Bottom line, Hillary reassembles the entire classic Democrat Liberal coalitions Democrats need to win. High level Democrats are not dumb, at least not stupid, at least in the world of down and dirty electoral politics. They will do what they need to do to win.

In the end, the media would love the fight and the Obama supporters would hate it . . . for a few weeks, then fall in line behind Hillary. They are pragmatists, not racial ideologues. They would do anything to defeat McCain.

Will this happen? Time will tell. But, Hillary is certainly, and quietly, pushing it very hard.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 09:40 AM

Well, I think that would be the best thing for the Democats, Sanity, but I can't see it happening. They've already spent a lot of money on "Obama" bumper stickers.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 09:45 AM

Sweet old Amos has appointed himself the judge and jury of who is guilty of hate mongering.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 11:07 AM

Amos the sage:

"The highly intelligent Maureen Dowd"
"That Dowd gal is hotter than a Saturday night special."
"Maureen Dowd, the bright light lady warrior of the New York Times"
"I really am POd at the New York Times for putting Maureen Dowd behind the Subscription Curtain, especially when she comes up with sharp analyses"
"More from my favorite chile roja, Maureen Dowd"
"I am pleased to report that Maureen Dowd, the spicy red-headed NY Times columnist"
"I _am_ goiung through withdrawal symptoms and I miss her keen wit, her sharp ability to cut through Republican bullshit with the grace of a samurai sword, and her sharp tongue."
"Maureen Dowd rides again with a shap-edged piece"
"Maureen is her usual sharp and articulate self "


Is 'The One' Cocky or Commander in Chiefy?
By MAUREEN DOWD July 23, 2008

"..............Obama finally found a Muslim with whom he's willing to be photographed.

At moments, Obama was acting as though he were already "on a coin," as Jon Stewart would say. But cocky or not, he needs to swoop up to conquer so Americans can picture him in the role.

The One left them swooning in Jordan.........."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 01:09 PM

Jesus, Sawz!!! Get a LIFE!!! You seem to have developed an obsession about trying to nullify me some way, anyway you can dream up. I have to tell you honestly, amigo, it is not working!!

I praised Maureen for her penetrating wit and you find one remark she made less than perfectly complimentary about Obama....and this demonstrates what, exactly?

Have you looked up the many positive things Maureen has said about Obama?

I thought not.

Otherwise your granfaloon of bitter sarcasm would have evaporated _before_ you posted it, instead of shortly thereafter.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 01:16 PM

Hmmm. Could these be the first tremors of "Dowd-Gate"? Will I be seeing this stuff at the grocery checkout next week? Will Amos be forced to publicly admit his secret dalliances with Maureen Dowd in that little resort in the Catskills? Or is it just an irresponsible rumor being spread by Republican hatchetmen in the employ of Karl Rove?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 04:48 PM

In my dreams, Little Hawk. I am afraid the "irresponsible hatchetmen" is the more probable explanation, although, well, hey, ya never know....



A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:17 AM

I got a life and it is not gushing over Bush Bashers.

Did your inspiration, Dowd, turn out to be a traitor?

Have you ever heard the saying that if you give someone enough rope..........?

That is what extremists do.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:41 AM

So they had the big debate on buffoonery last night, and the funny thing to me was, the panel on CNN thought McCain did better, and the panel on Fox seemed to think Obama did better.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:55 AM

Sawz:

The fact that I admire Maureen Dowd for her columns is scarecely grounds for calling her my inspiration. Nor did I ever think she was a traitor.

So your construct is flim-flam and buffonery at its worst, creating artificial, meaningless points in order to dramatize your dripping sarcasm.

Go eat soap, pal. You are so far off the mark it is hard to even figure out what you were aiming at.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 12:55 PM

GtINS, are you sure you are not a politician? You seem to have learned the art of half-truths, i.e.:

"The fence around the public demonstration zone outside the Democratic National Convention will be chicken wire or chain link, authorities revealed in U.S. District Court today.

"That may allow protestors to be seen and heard by delegates going in and out of the Pepsi Center during the convention. "

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9744092


The Hillary Clinton expository (sic) was lifted straight from Free Republic, hardly a model for accuracy.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2057973/posts?q=1&;page=143

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:08 PM

Statement from T. Boone Pickens:

"I enjoyed the opportunity to meet Senator Obama and discuss an issue that is America's top priority, which is ending our dependence on foreign oil that today is approaching 70 percent of our imports and is costing us $700 billion a year.
"I assured Senator Obama that this is a non-partisan campaign and that I will do everything in my power to work together with leaders who are willing to solve our immense energy problems which are ruining our economy and threatening our national security.
"As I did with Senator McCain on Friday, I stressed the urgency of the situation and the need to end the largest transfer of wealth in human history. I told him that any credible domestic energy policy must reduce our dependence on foreign oil by at least 30% in the next 10 years, in addition to conservation measures and that must utilize proven and available technologies and be 100 percent comprised of American resources.
"We discussed my plan and the opportunities to create jobs, grow our economy and revitalize America's heartland by using private capital to invest in renewable energy including wind and solar power that are among our most abundant and untapped natural resources. I shared my feeling of encouragement at the Senator's willingness to speak out on energy issues recently in the campaign, but told him that there is still much more that needs to be done.
"We also discussed the Pickens Plan's success and our efforts to get more than one million supporters. These are people who share an immense concern about our dependence on foreign oil and are actively pushing our solution to this issue with the goal of getting legislation passed in the first 100 days of the next administration.
"It would be inappropriate for me to speak for Senator Obama. I have a real sense, however, that he was very engaged. He understands the issues and is interested and excited by the work we are doing to educate and involve the people of this great nation. As with any leader, he knows that developing real energy policy that will transform America for the better requires change and that change happens not just from the top down, but from the bottom up and that's what we are doing with the Pickens Plan."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:12 PM

"Former Rep. Jim Leach's endorsement last week of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama prompted anger and amazement in some quarters. But why? It's as though amnesia has struck.

Yes, Leach is a longtime Iowa Republican, and yes, it is understandable that Republicans not too well acquainted with him might feel a sense of betrayal. Democrats would react the same way if former Rep. Neal Smith were to suddenly endorse presumptive Republican nominee John McCain." (Des Moines Register)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:13 PM

(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat Barack Obama is ahead of Republican John McCain in the United States, according to a poll by Zogby Interactive. 43 per cent of respondents would vote for the Illinois senator in this year's presidential ballot, while 40 per cent would back Republican Arizona senator John McCain.

Libertarian nominee Bob Barr is third with six per cent, followed by independent candidate Ralph Nader with two per cent. Nine per cent of respondents are undecided, or would vote for other contenders.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:13 PM

Famous Peruvian writer applauds Obama's candidacy
17 hours ago
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Peruvian novelist and politician Mario Vargas Llosa says Barack Obama would make a "magnificent" U.S. president.
The prize-winning writer says Obama "represents the American dream," though he also respects rival candidate John McCain.
One of Latin America's best known writers, Vargas Llosa ran for Peru's presidency in 1990, but lost to Alberto Fujimori.
He spoke to reporters on Saturday in Venezuela, where one of his plays is being performed.
Asked about Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Vargas Llosa said his government "believes in a type of authoritarian democracy" and "restricts liberties."
Vargas Llosa has written more than 30 novels, plays and essays, including "Conversation in the Cathedral," and "The Green House."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM

The Obama campaign said yesterday that it received more than $51 million in July - including contributions from 65,000 new donors - slightly less than the previous month.

The report on donations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, followed by one day figures made public by the McCain campaign, which took in a more modest $27 million last month.

Still, July was the best fund-raising month ever for John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and the fifth month in a row that donations to his campaign exceeded those of the previous month.

The Obama campaign said it had $65.8 million on hand, compared with McCain's $21.4 million at the end of July.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 04:51 PM

'"The fence around the public demonstration zone outside the Democratic National Convention will be chicken wire...'"


                     Probably because it's around the Democratic Convention, and all they'll have to fence out are chickens...




    '"Former Rep. Jim Leach's endorsement last week of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama prompted anger and amazement in some quarters. But why?""


                     Why indeed, after all, Leach is from Iowa and McCain had the guts to tell the people there the truth about corn based ethanal.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 11:07 AM

SAN FRANCISCO--Sen. Barack Obama raised $7.8 million at a fundraiser here Sunday night, his largest-ever haul at a single event. He repaid the 1,300-plus donors with fighting words about the campaign he intends to wage against his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain.

The Democratic candidate addressed three separate groups and posed for hundreds of photos at the event, held at the ritzy Fairmont Hotel.

"They've got a whole machinery that they're cranking out. They've got a book about me, that just kind of sprung full bore out of this guy's head," Obama told the crowd at the main reception, priced at $2,300 a ticket. It was his first public reference to the widely discredited Jerome Corsi bestseller, "The Obama Nation."

The Republicans are using an old playbook, Obama said. But this year, he continued, "Not only do you have a candidate who doesn't take any guff. Not only do you have a candidate who will hit back swiftly and forcefully and truthfully. But you've also got American people who are rising up all over the country and saying, enough is enough."

He told a small reception hosted by supporters of South Asian heritage, "It's going to be difficult. Change is always tough. And electing me is change. It means that people are going to hesitate a little bit. Ba-rack O-bama. They're still getting past that name. But it's a testament to the American spirit that I'm even standing before you as the Democratic nominee."

About 350 people paid $28,500 for a VIP dinner, and were urged to stay cool for the next 79 days. "Democrats, because we've burned in the last few elections, get nervous and skittish right around this time," Obama said. "They say, 'oh no, here the Republicans come - they're so mean and they're going to be doing all these things. Obama is a funny name and who knows what they're going to do.' " The audience laughed nervously.

"So keep your stress to a minimum," he instructed them.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 11:09 AM

U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.

Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 11:11 AM

"... I will always love Hillary, but the policy positions that I shared with her—on the rule of law, health care, education, the environment and, of course, the Supreme Court—are the same positions that Obama will work to bring about in his presidency. So if I care about those issues, how could I not put on my "Yes we can" pin and roll up my sleeves for Obama? How could I do nothing when I woke up each morning to read the latest press accounts of the Gitmo trials being conducted by military commissions of such questionable legality that the Bush administration can only defend them by saying that Guantanamo Bay isn't in the United States? And how could I do nothing after reading the latest report of the inspector general on the politicization of the hiring of career lawyers at the Justice Department, when I myself had joined the department through the honors program that now has been tragically corrupted?

There is not a hair's breadth of difference between Hillary's position on the issues I care about most deeply and Obama's. No doubt Obama will approach some of these issues differently than Hillary. That is OK. His candidacy is just as historic as was Hillary's, and I want to be part of that historic moment.

I've heard that Howard Dean said it took his supporters about four months of emotional recharging to switch their allegiance to another candidate. But we don't have the luxury of four months this time around. The 2008 election is less than three months away. There isn't any more time to grieve; it's time for action."



Kathryn A. Oberly is vice chair and general counsel of Ernst & Young. She was a co-chair of Lawyers for Hillary and is now a co-chair of the Obama Lawyers Unity Effort.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM

Amos is reluctant to respond to the fact that a reporter he has praised has portrayed Obama as somewhat infatuated with himself.

Rather than say if she is right or wrong and why, he makes personal attacks on the messenger.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:46 AM

Amos, you always loved Hillary?? That's about as tasteless as Billy getting a blow job from Monica!..while eating a pizza, and talking on the phone, about a foreign policy decision!!! Be healed!!
here, you want some taste?? Try this, I think you'll like it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6p8WE6ZemY

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:52 AM

....or this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64QHbB-11fc

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:54 PM

Barack responded to the religious question of when does life begin
her responded "that question is above my pay grade"

I would have said
"Simply forgo the chicken and egg arguement and realize that life derives from life and that all life is contiguous and not subject to arguments of life begining with each zygote of each animal.

If anyone asks when life began...the most truthful answer is = a minimum of 4 billion years."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM

Donuel,

The question was "When do civil rights begin."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 01:45 PM

Sawz:

You continue to duck, sneer and slime. My argument with your exceeding illogical posts is concernign thier illogic, not with the issues you raise. As to whether Obama's self-esteem is "too high", "too low", or "just right", Goldilocks, it is purely his own business and a matter, in any case, of complete opinion by any armchair psychobabbler who has insifficient problems. A class I do not belong to.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:56 PM

"Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said."


                   I've seen this on other venues. I even saw it on Fox-News. I would think John McCain would be very concerned about this development.

                  This is something that should make a lot of voters wonder about voting for McCain, in my humble opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM

My humble opinion aligns with yours, sir.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:12 AM

Rick Warren: OK, now, um, let's deal with abortion. 40 million abortions since Roe V. Wade, you know, as a pastor, I have to deal with this all the time. All of the pain, and all of the conflicts. I know this is a very com... complex issue. 40 million... uh, abortions. At what point does a baby get human rights in your view?

    Obama: Well, uh, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or, uh, a scientific perspective, uh, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is, is, uh, above my pay grade.

Sounds like an Amos answer.

"You continue to duck, sneer and slime. My argument with your exceeding illogical posts is concernign thier illogic, not with the issues you raise. As to whether Obama's self-esteem is "too high", "too low", or "just right", Goldilocks, it is purely his own business and a matter, in any case, of complete opinion by any armchair psychobabbler who has insifficient problems. A class I do not belong to."

And this is logic?

Cut the ducking, sneering and sliming and just answer the question yes or no. It is not that hard.

---

Sawzaw, you're getting too personal in your disagreements. Back off, and keep the discussion civil.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:35 AM

What are you saying to Amos Sawzaw? I am and so are you?

Grow up why don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:39 AM

The Telegraph

Barack Obama admits to 'fundamental selfishness'
Senator Barack Obama admitted at the weekend that he had been guilty of "fundamental selfishness" at times during his life.

By Alex Spillius in Washington

Barack Obama fails to shine alongside John McCain

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:46 AM

Two Against The One

By MAUREEN DOWD New York Times
Published: August 19, 2008

In the dead of night in a small hideaway office in the deserted Capitol, a clandestine meeting takes place between two senators with one goal.

They grin at each other as they lift their celebratory shots of brutally cold Stolichnaya.

‘Our toast to The One,’ they say in unison, ‘is that he’s toast.’

‘Obama should have picked you, Hillary,’ John McCain tells her. ‘It isn’t fair, my friend. But it just makes it easier for me to whup him.’

‘Don’t worry, John, I’ve put it behind me,’ Hillary replies. ‘I’m looking toward the future now, a future that looks very bright, once we send Twig Legs back to the back bench.’

They chortle with delight.

‘He’s a bright young man, but he got ahead of himself,’ McCain says. ‘He needs to be taught a lesson, and we’re the ones to do it. Have you seen the new Bloomberg poll? Obama’s dropped and we’re even again. The Bullet’s getting all the credit, but you and I know, Hillary, that it’s these top-secret counseling sessions we’re having. And thanks again for BlackBerrying me the Rick Warren questions while I was in the so-called cone of silence.’

‘Oh, John, you know I love you and I’m happy to help,’ Hillary says. ‘The themes you took from me are working great ‘ painting Obama as an elitist and out-of-touch celebrity, when we’re rich celebrities, too. Turning his big rallies and pretty words into character flaws, charging him with playing the race card ‘ that one always cracks me up. And accusing the media, especially NBC, of playing favorites. It’s easy to get the stupid press to navel-gaze; they’re so insecure.’........

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:54 AM

Dissecting Maureen Dowd's Obama hit piece

by Eric Boehlert Media Matters

As a campaigner, Sen. Barack Obama is angry and overwhelmed.

That was the unflattering takeaway from Maureen Dowd's catty column (subscription required) last week about the Illinois senator's foray onto the presidential campaign trail, as Dowd traipsed out to the heartland to watch the Democratic sensation up close. But as is her custom, Dowd fixated on personality and stagecraft, not substance, as the poison-penned, Wednesday/Saturday columnist for The New York Times painted a relentlessly unflattering portrait of the senator.

In the eyes of Dowd, Obama was out of his element on the national stage: "testy," "irritated," and "conflicted." .................

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 04:23 AM

I watched that entire debate streamed over the Internet. I my opinion Dowd was wrong. And since reviews don't win votes, who cares?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:42 AM

Something has gone terribly wrong in American politics that some buffoon like Rick Warren would have anything to say about things. The whole side-show just simply embarrassed me.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:57 AM

Warren is OK. He's like Dr. Phil with 20,000 patients.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 08:23 AM

As far as buffoons go, I'll take him over anyone i've heard of at Fox "News" any day. Or Chris Matthews, Or Falwell, or Robertson or Larry King or Anderson Cooper, Or Gibson and Strepthacaucaus at ABC

He's not high on my list.

I think he made a mistake though, promising a "cone of silence" and not having a minder sent with McCain to enforce it. As Reagan said. "Trust, but verify."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 10:00 PM

Jack - We shouldn't have the presidential candidates discussing points of superstition when we have major policy decisions to make.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 10:06 PM

You obviously did not watch the event and are ignorant of what was said.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 12:00 AM

Barack Obama's brother lives on $1 per day

Democratic US Presidential candidate Barrack Obama has a forgotten brother in Africa, whose family is at the edge of existence, earning less than $1 per day.

George Husein Owango Obama, who lives outside the media spotlight, recently decided to speak about his relationship with Barack Obama. In his interview for "Vanity Fair" he spoke about his life, however avoided giving responses to direct questions to describe his brother.

"We live here with less than a dollar per day" said George, who lives in the periphery of Nairobi (Kenya). Up until now the US Press managed to track down seven of Obama's brothers, the only one missing was George.

"I met Barack briefly, two years ago. We talked, but he was somehow strange, as if I didn't speak to a brother." added George Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 12:15 AM

It has been a mixed week for Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate.
By R. EMMETT TYRRELL Jr. | August 21, 2008

....a Reuters/Zogby poll announced that the junior senator's 7-point lead over John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, has dissolved into a 5-point deficit.

Senator McCain now leads him 46% to 41%. On the other hand, the press has discovered Senator Obama's long-lost half brother, George Hussein Onyango (also spelled Owango) living quietly in Kenya. Among the rustics who compose the Democratic base, this discovery can only help Senator Obama.

According to the Reuters/Zogby poll, the Democratic frontrunner has slipped with almost every category of Democratic voters: Catholics, Evangelicals, vegetarians, nudists, flagpole sitters — you name it. Yet the slippage has been greatest among the senator's core supporters, the liberals.

Among them he has dropped 12%. Part of the reason for this drop, Zogby speculates, is owing to the candidate's efforts to sidle toward the political mainstream. Zogby mentions Mr. Obama's switch from opposing all offshore oil drilling to accepting limited drilling.

Brother George will assuage the concerns of many of these liberals. According to the Italian edition of Vanity Fair, George lives in a hut in bucolic Hurma, Kenya, a few miles outside Nairobi. His residence is the epitome of "green," using no electricity, cooled solely by gentle breezes, and with no plumbing to pollute nearby waters, if there are nearby waters.

George leaves almost no carbon footprint. He does not drive an automobile. In fact, he lives a very spartan existence, spending only "a dollar a month," as he apprised VF in an exclusive interview; though other sources report an expenditure of a dollar a day. At any rate, his consumption of the world's resources is minimal............

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 12:20 AM

Reuters/Zogby poll: McCain leads by 5 percent

August 20, 2008

BY SUN-TIMES STAFF

Reuters.com is reporting that a new poll shows John McCain has taken a five-point lead over Barack Obama in the race for President. The poll, conducted by Reuters/Zogby Thursday through Saturday, shows McCain leads 46 to 41 percent.

That would mark a sharp turnaround for McCain, who trailed Obama by seven points in last month's Reuters/Zogby poll.

On the question of which candidate would be the best manager of the country's economy, Reuters reports that McCain leads Obama 49 to 40 percent.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."

The poll results were announced as speculation heats up about who the candidates will choose as their running mates.

The Obama campaign has said it will announce its vice presidential nominee any day, and will announce the choice via text message to supporters.

Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief Lynn Sweet first reported in her blog Tuesday that Obama will appear with his choice of running mate in front of the old state capitol building in Springfield Saturday.

McCain plans to announce his running mate Aug. 29.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 12:42 AM

Keep digging, Sawz. Dig up all the distortions you can, and make sure to ignore any positives like intelligence, statesmanship, insight, articulateness, leadership. Naw, jes' keep digging.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:29 AM

Here in the UK a significant cause for the change in fortunes is being reported to be the "angels with broken wings" - embittered female Clinton supporters who are now opposing Obama and supporting McCain - despite McCain's apparent wish to return to female enslavement by males. I watched with growing incredulity. A prime case of turkeys threatening to vote for Christmas.

I did however warn early on that Obama was not giving specifics on policies and that he was likely to be a middle-of-the-road man who would not truly fight for the working classes - or the environment. That is starting to look right.

Well done America. You ignored Kucinich who might have created a better world for you, and you kicked out Clinton who at least had some concrete pro-worker policies. Change my arse. Welcome to more of the same old same old.

And if you actually suffer teh election of McWar the no-brainer, you'd better pray for another grassy knoll to free you fromthe oligopoly. At least that way your "free and armed militia" might actually do something more useful than kill wildlife and each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:56 AM

>>You ignored Kucinich who might have created a better world for you.

Kucinich was too far out of the main stream and Clinton was too far in it.

Obama is going to win. His pole numbers will come up once his VP starts attacking McCain's leadership ability and flip flopping every day.

Obama is running the best campaign I have ever seen. That will be apparent in October.