BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 02:49 PM

Starting with work colleagues maybe: "Almost everybody where I work thinks Obama is a Muslim in disguise.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 03:35 PM

"almost everybody at work...". Problem is Rig's track record. It's amazing what percentage is totally unsupported smears. The suspicion arises that if somebody else here actually worked at his workplace, the experience would be totally different.

Unless he actually does work at Smears R Us, of course--as the CEO.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 03:57 PM

Read my initial post to him with a critical eye.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 04:52 PM

'Starting with work colleagues maybe: "Almost everybody where I work thinks Obama is a Muslim in disguise.'"


                           They get this information from their places of worship. So if you're going to straighten them out, that's where you'd have to start.

                         Good luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 05:11 PM

"They"

So you don't share this opinion? If you accept that it isn't true, why don't you step up and help straighten them out? Or do you feel it is OK for untruths to be used to torpedo an honest, honorable person?

I get chastised sometimes when I refuse to allow untruths about adversaries to go unchallenged. I have often said that I believe John McCain is an honorable man, who believes what he is doing is the right thing. I would never allow someone to attack him unfairly. To do so only takes away from the legitimacy of my own arguments in favor of, and support of, my own candidates and beliefs. It is exactly the thing that makes the "Swift Boat" series of ads so dishonorable.

So, Riginslinger, I ask you again. Will you challenge these "work colleagues" when they spread this untrue, and politically motivated, attempt to cast aspersions?

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 05:49 PM

Mick - I do not share their misconceptions, and I have tried to convince them otherwise. They smile and nod when I talk to them, and when they walk away I get the feeling they haven't listened to a work I've tried to tell them.

                   Re: John McCain: I would agree that he thinks he is doing the right thing. I just don't think he's wrong. George W. Bush, on the other hand, didn't have any idea what he was doing, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 06:04 PM

ObamaÕs Song
(melody from "Kelly, the Boy from Killarne")

What's the news? What's the news? You Americans young,
You who boldly come forward to stand?
Say, what wind from the sun blows a new message here,
With a hymn for the hope of our land?
"Goodly news, goodly news, brave Americans all,
Country lady or sharp city boy,
For the brave have stood up in the south and the north
For Obama from old Illinois!"

Tell me who is the giant with his soul so on fire,
Who inspires the nation-wide band??
Standing tall, strong and calm, as his speeches inspire,
Words of hope to a hope-starvŽd land
"Oh, me boys, that's the pride of AmericaÕs best,
Let his fiercest companions deploy!
Bring your friends to the front, and come lend a strong hand
To Obama from Old Illinois!"

For the dark years of terror, confusion and fear
Will be brought to an end and repaired
Constitutional freedom will stand again here
And the pride of free people we will share.
Come and reach for you freedoms, your rights and your pride
COme the fears of cold fascists, destroy!
Let each feeling American do what he can,
For Obama, of old Illinois!

They will scourge him and slander him, as we move on by,
With their lies and their tales from the dead.
But the truth about liars is that they always will lie,
From the hatred that lies in their heads.
Speaking truth is not easy, as liars well know
When their stories they pen to destroy;
But with reason and courage, we will take back the show,
With Obama, from old Illinois.

ThereÕll be hard rows ahead, for each woman and man
To put right all the past has left wrong.
But with clarity, hope, and persistence, we can
If your voice and your reason are strong.
Leave the old and polluted, the rich and ashamed
For a wordl our offspring may enjoy.
Put your votes and your voices to bear on the name
Of Obama, from old Illinois.

Regards,

G.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 08:40 PM

Aw, man, that is one terrific adaptation. Captures the spirit of the thing just so. A real nice job.

I think we oughta lay it down to music and post it on you-tube to stir the national fervor, some. Don't you? Contribute to the Movement, man!! You know, like Grow the Kool Aid or sompn...


Nice job, Guest...



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 08:55 PM

10 minutes ago
Senator Barack Obama won in the Nebraska caucuses, defeating his rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, as the two scramble for delegates in their battle for the Democratic nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 09:04 PM

Will.i.am's ÔYes We CanÕ video getting plenty of clicks on YouTube

Alexandre Meneghini / AP file

Black Eyed Peas vocalist Will.i.am was inspired to create ÒYes We CanÓ while watching Barack Obama's speech after his second-place finish to Sen. Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.


LOS ANGELES - In the long history of political campaign theme songs, there has never been one quite like "Yes We Can," starring Barack Obama and a host of A-list celebrities.

For one thing, it's more than a song Ñ it's a viral video hit with almost 1.9 million views on YouTube since being posted last Friday.

There's also the fact that the Obama campaign did not commission the song Ñ the rapper, songwriter and producer will.i.am, frontman for the Black Eyed Peas, says he was inspired to create it while watching Obama's speech after his second-place finish to Sen. Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary....

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Feb 08 - 09:06 PM

And if that's too lazy for you, try Fired Up and Ready to Go. It'll get your toes moving, I tell ya!



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 01:10 AM

Listen to them both!!



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 10:50 AM

I just can't wrap my head around Obama being "the solution" to the desires of so many Independent and Democratic voters to elect a "fix-it it's broken" president.

I genuinely see him as the Thomas Dewey of 2008.

And sadly, I don't think either Clinton or Obama will be any more effective as president than Jimmy Carter was--and we all know how that one turned out in 1980.

I know right now it doesn't seem like any president could be worse than Bush/Cheney. But it could happen as early as 2012 if a Democratic president can't fix what ails the nation in the starry eyes of the Obama/Clinton for Change voters.

Neither of them is willing to take on the meaningful changes that could possibly fix what ails the nation (an antiquated, outdated, destructive 2 party system, political corruption at the highest levels of government and business, etc), so it is a given that there will be a future backlash trend of deep pessimism, possibly with Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Gary Bauer saying "we told you so" and getting elected president.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 10:58 AM

"And sadly, I don't think either Clinton or Obama will be any more effective as president than Jimmy Carter was--and we all know how that one turned out in 1980."


                      In retrospect, Jimmy Carter was one of the best presidents the US ever had--promoting both the Departments of Energy and Education. Over the long haul, Ronald Reagan will finally earn his position as one of the worst, I think, if not the very worst.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 11:01 AM

I think the sights you see may be to a large degree a reflection of your internal state. Fix that, and things might look a bit brighter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM

Jimmy Carter was, IMO, nearly as bad as Reagan on energy. While Carter was at least willing to fund a little bit of research into energy alternatives, he was still a pro-nuclear power man. He set us on the course of energy profligacy we find ourselves in today. Most people have conveniently forgotten that "the energy crisis" was a profit driven exercise to create the facade that has become the politics of scarcity. Carter oversaw that, and didn't do jack shit to reign in the oil companies when they pulled their "energy crisis" trick on the world.

Geraldo Rivera's only redeeming quality on this earth was to be the one adult who rented a helicopter and filmed the oil tankers lined up offshore of the eastern seaboard, waiting for gas prices to sky rocket before they sailed into port and made the killing that has nearly destroyed the planet. What did Jimmy Carter have to say about it?

Look at those long lines at the gas stations! We need more nukes!

Reagan, OTOH, just cut the funding for the alternative energy research that was just beginning to take off (and cost me & my partner our energy efficient construction company).

Carter had a mindset that said "with nuclear power, we'll always have enough energy." Because he was old school, he considered energy conservation to be more a moral issue in the religious sense, than in a practical, what is best for the planet perspective and world view.

I just don't agree that Jimmy Carter was a good president. He campaigned and was elected as a reformer in the wake of Vietnam and Watergate, and the disaster that was Richard Nixon, who was the reform candidate to "fix" the disaster that was Johnson's foreign policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 11:33 AM

I agree his administration was nothing to write home about. He has done a good job latterly as Wrinkled Elder Statesman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 11:35 AM

Sunday, February 10, 2008; 8:31 AM
Sen. Barack Obama dominated Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in presidential balloting in Nebraska, Louisiana and Washington state last night, besting her by huge margins in those contests and further narrowing her slender advantage in delegates needed to claim the Democratic presidential nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 11:38 AM

Amos, you are too True Blue delusional to see beyond your nose. Your kind of partisan world view will destroy us, as surely as the True Red partisan world view will.

The solutions the world and it's people need do not lie in electing another ineffective Democrat president of the United States of America.

The solutions like in the realm of ditching the current US political system, and many of the Western world's outdated and antiquated institutions that have now been globalized, to disastrous effect-- capitalist dictatorships are killing us and the planet, and we live in a capitalist dictatorship in the US, regardless of the party flavor currently in vogue with the ever shrinking US electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 11:46 AM

Thanks for the kind remarks, Janet. I guess delusion is where you find it. While I agree with your high goals, generally, I think one step at a time is the real way to go. Obama's the better of the various next steps currently available. Ranting about the ideal situation does not change things any more than voting for McCain would.





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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 12:11 PM

"Capitalist Dictatorship"...........hmmmmmmm....... think I am off to write a song......

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 12:27 PM

One step at a time? More like aerobic step dancing enthusiastically in place, to the tune of the same pop singer CD.

If you want me to take you seriously, I'll throw down this gauntlet for you. Head on over to the thread I started titled 'The End Game'. You want people to vote for your boy? Then be forthcoming about the end game you are envisioning. The one beyond the current horse race cycle, which is where you and the True Blues here have been stuck for over a decade. Yeah, I remember you defending Clinton too.

Because I was here in Mudcat in both 2000 and 2004 Amos, and you are still pontificating the same old shit--that we must play party politics as usual, because 2 party politics as usual is the only thing that can save us from ourselves.

You are the epitomy, IMO, of a partisan party man Amos.

I'm looking far, far beyond the party hack solutions--for leadership with authentic vision for the future, not the same old shit solutions of the past--elect a Dem! elect a Dem!

To me, Obama is an empty suit peddling hope as truth. He's just another snake oil salesman, preying on fears by using our hopes and dreams against us for his own ambition and gain.

All over again, IMO. Just like Bill Clinton did it to us in 1992. Bill Clinton was an even better snakeoil salesman than Obama is, IMO. But the end result it still the same.

The Clinton presidency was a fucking disaster for this nation and the world. So how is an Obama presidency going to be any different? Not with those policy papers and false hopes he is using to prey upon peoples' hopes and dreams for a better world for their grandchildren, that's for bloody sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 12:47 PM

Yes, 'capitalist dictatorship' has great alliteration and rhythm to it. Very catchy.

I would imagine Dave Lippman could do a lot with it, because it does have a Lippmanesque ring tone to it. Or maybe he already has, and I stole it from him. Who knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 02:03 PM

GG, you continue to bitch and complain and call other people "True Blue" (thereby attempting to label them as intellectual vacuums) while you offer nothing.

NOTHING!

Constant pissing and moaning, but NOTHING of value.

You, sir or madam as the case may be, are a waste of space.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 02:04 PM

"I just don't agree that Jimmy Carter was a good president. He campaigned and was elected as a reformer in the wake of Vietnam and Watergate, and the disaster that was Richard Nixon, who was the reform candidate to "fix" the disaster that was Johnson's foreign policy."


                      So Nixon came in to fix Johnson, and Carter came in to fix Nixon.
                      But, with the exception of Kosovo, Clinton was wildly successful, and Bush came in to destroy what Clinton had done. The path we're on now seems worse than Johnson-Carter-Nixon.

                      So it would make sense to send Clinton back in to fix the damage Bush has done, than to send in an unknown to carry on the destruction.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 07:06 PM

The good folk of Maine have come through for Obama in the Dem caucuses today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 07:21 PM

What's with using "True Blue" as some kind of an insult?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 09:08 PM

McGrath - You're right. Any comparison is cerainly an insult.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 12:32 PM

Guardian (UK) opines:

After Barack Obama's sweep of five primary contests over the weekend, he is poised to bag another hefty prize: Virginia.

The state's demographics overwhelmingly suggest a win for the Illinois senator, and he has the nod of governor Tim Kaine and former governor and current Richmond mayor Doug Wilder. Fully 101 delegates are at stake in the state.

The Clinton camp hasn't exactly resigned itself to a loss, but its rhetoric isn't confident. "Virginia is one of those states in February that Senator Obama has some real advantages in," Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson said Friday. "As a campaign we have long factored that reality into our planning."

The Obama camp derides the Clinton campaign's meek talk as spin. "Hillary Clinton has all the advantages," one Obama adviser said. "She has been a dominant personality in the media markets in all three states. If she's the most famous woman in the world, she's certainly the most famous woman in these three venues."

If the neat demographic slices of the Democratic party vote in Virginia as they have in previous states, Obama should win. He's well ahead in polling, with a recent poll showing him beating Clinton 53% to 37%.

"Obama's the favourite," University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato said succinctly.

With Obama's weekend victories in Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, Maine and the Virgin Islands, the Illinois senator is a hair behind Clinton in the race for the delegates who will ultimately decide the nomination at the Democratic convention in August. He has 1,070 to the New York senator's 1,095, with 2,025 needed for the nomination, according to a tally by the Associated Press.

That makes this Tuesday's votes in Virginia, Maryland and Washington, DC, crucial. The total number of delegates at stake Tuesday is 237 — Virginia's total, 99 from Maryland and 37 from the District of Columbia.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 12:51 PM

Obama's campaigning rhetoric seems to be taking on a more populist approach - as witness here. Clearly he's aware of his need to be recognised as addressing the kind of issues that are top priority for the white working class voters who've been tending to stick with Clinton.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM

Here's a link to a creative {and funny?} take off of the Barack Obama/Yes We Can music video that was produced by will i am :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs
john.he.is

-snip-

This video includes clips from some of John McCain's speeches, including his bomb bomb bomb Iran snippet.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 09:38 PM

Ah, Janet. Just as upbeat as always. It's good to know some things don't change--what was it-- Dewar's Whiskey and your sunny humor. And Obama offers "false hope"? Now where have we heard that before?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 09:46 PM

You're right, Azizi--that's a classic-- "Like Hope But Different". And even BTO. There are some sharp minds behind some of these videos.

Obama has a huge braintrust already, in addition to being super-sharp himself--and identifying with the have-nots of society. Truly an amazing combination.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 09:55 PM

We probably should start a new thread on the role of the so called "Super-Delegates" at the National Democratic Convention. They are non-elected, do not come from either primary or caucuses but are directly appointed by State Democratic parties and are generally incumbant congressmen and senators, ex-congressmen and senators, governors and former governors, and anyone else that the state party leadership wants to so honor. They make up about 20% of the total delegates and thus could be the deciding block of votes if the two Democratic presidential candidates are neck and neck by Convention time. Or they may be equally divided and the question mute.

Here's a link to a fuller explanation of this question from CNN: Click at Your Own Risk!

It strikes me as a remarkably undemocratic system but then I don't have a lot of pull at State Headquarters.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 08:41 AM

ARLINGTON, VA. -- A new battleground looms in a state where picnickers still flock to venerated fields of Confederate glory. The campaigns of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama are gearing up for today's presidential primary in Virginia, a key Southern state rife with knotty demographics and shifting party loyalties.

Both camps view the Democratic vote in Virginia as their toughest matchup in the so-called Potomac primaries, a stretch of contests that also includes Maryland and the District of Columbia, where large and passionate constituencies among black voters and college students make Obama a heavy favorite.

Clinton aides have tried to dampen expectations, publicly stoking the prospect of an Obama sweep today. But strategic moves by both sides in recent days indicate that Virginia is positioned as Clinton's likeliest target of opportunity.


Three Virginia polls released over the last few days, all putting Obama ahead of Clinton by at least 15 percentage points, gave credence to Wolfson's caution. The latest, issued Sunday and conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, showed Obama leading Clinton 53% to 37%. In surveys last year, Clinton held double-digit leads.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 08:46 AM

It looks like we're on our way to a President McCain!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:13 AM

You just trolling, Rig? THe last poll published on that hypothetical put Obama a few points over McCain. Looks like we're on our way to a President Obama!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 01:12 PM

Norton backs Obama, says super delegates shouldn't decide race


Sen. Barack Obama late last night picked up an endorsement from D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, a super delegate who said he is what "our country, our party and this city needs at this turning point in our history."


Norton said she had planned to wait until closer to the general election to endorse a candidate. But "as a super delegate, I decided I had to speak up now to separate myself from the idea that is afoot for the first time that super delegates, especially those who have not announced their choice, could or should decide our nominee under some circumstances."


"The notion that a candidate who has not earned delegates could become the Democratic nominee for president is at odds with the democratic principles of our party reforms. Super delegates were never intended to allow the return of smoked-filled room, behind the scenes selection of our candidate," Norton continued. "I have carried a banner for a democracy of the District of Columbia too long to depart from principles of democracy within my own party."


"I appreciate that Senator Obama is not new to D.C. voting rights but is a co-sponsor of our D.C. Voting Rights bill," she said. "I believe that Senator Obama as president will be invaluable in helping to shift left-over home rule authority from the Congress that should be with the city."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 01:19 PM

"It's worth noting that a recent Time magazine poll showed Obama beating McCain in a hypothetical contest by 48 percent to 41 percent, while a Clinton-McCain race was deadlocked at 46 percent. "

From This editorial


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 02:54 PM

Traders Flock to Obama
February 12, 2008 02:04 PM ET | James Pethokoukis | U.S. News and World Report


Take it for what it's worth, but most of the Washington Wise Guys I talk to think the Democratic presidential race is over and Barack Obama will be the nominee. (Also note that the betting markets over at RealClearPolitics now give Obama a 70 percent chance of defeating Hillary Clinton.) The WWGs point to the 3 M's:

1) Money. Can Obama be the first $200 million candidate? Yes, he can.

2) Momentum. Obama is poised to win the Potomac primary today, giving him a seven-state winning streak since Super Tuesday. And while momentum has been a fickle force this primary season, the WWGs expect Obamamania to begin peeling way Hillary's potential voters in critical upcoming states like Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania. To quote Patton: "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser."

3) Media. Do the media favor Obama over Hillary? I will just say this: I don't know too many reporters around this town who feel like writing another single word about Monica Lewinsky, the Rose Law Firm, Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, or cattle futures. Give us brand-new scandals, please! (And not to mention that many of our teenage and 20-something kids are like an Obama fifth column in our families, constantly nudging us to watch that catchy will.i.am Pro-Obama video on YouTube.)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 03:02 PM

Obama, McCain lead in Wisconsin poll

Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor February 12, 2008 12:46 PM

If Barack Obama sweeps today's primaries, it's looking even more likely that he'll have a 10-race winning streak going into the mega-primary on March 4 that Hillary Clinton is banking on.

A new poll out today in Wisconsin shows that Obama has a 50 percent to 39 percent lead over Clinton, boosted by a 21-percentage-point edge among voters most concerned by the Iraq war.

Obama argues that he would be the better nominee against all-but presumptive Republican nominee John McCain on the issue because he opposed the war from the start, while Clinton authorized military action, though she says that President Bush went beyond the authorization by launching a pre-emptive war.

While Obama leads among both black and white voters and holds a significant edge among independents, he and Clinton are virtually tied among self-identified Democrats, according to the Public Policy Polling survey conducted Monday.

Wisconsin -- which votes next Tuesday along with Hawaii, where Obama grew up -- holds an open primary, where voters, no matter how they're registered, can choose to vote in either primary.

From Boston.Com

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 03:43 PM

The polls seem to have these built in triggers. They project something will happen, they when that eventuality doesn't come to pass, the 24 hour news cycle has something to talk about.

                   A week or so ago, they were saying Obama would beat McCain by a wide margin. Now it's a squeaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 08:01 PM

Senator Barack Obama won the Virginia Democratic primary, as he continued his winning streak and threatened to cut into Senator Hillary Rodham ClintonsÕs lead in delegates.New York Times

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 08:21 PM

Obama led Clinton 1,144 to 1,138 in the running delegate count going into Tuesday's contests, according to website RealClearPolitics.com. A total of 2,025 delegates are needed for the nomination.

The role of some 440 still-undecided super-delegates -- party luminaries who can choose to vote for either candidate -- is now likely to be critical.

(AFP)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 08:34 PM

Now come Wisconsin and Hawaii, I believe. Wisconsin, with several universities, and some cities. Hawaii, Obama's birthplace, as I understand.

4 March in Texas and Ohio may be an anti-climax.

It would seem likely that in order to avoid a civil war, the superdelegates will start edging toward Obama. (Not taking into account that some have already openly declared for him--like Eleanor Holmes Norton of DC.)

And if possible they will avoid dealing with the MI and FL morass--perhaps, as I believe you suggested, Amos, by simply splitting the delegate count to each down the middle.

And I would guess that the endgame will be a very gallant concession speech by Hillary, redeeming much of her behavior.

Then she divorces Bill. I mean, that's what it said in the National Enquirer, so it must be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 09:58 PM

I'd like to hear Hillary announce that, "All of those sexist idiots just handed the country over to John McCain."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 10:29 PM

Well, be patient, Rig, she may say it. Unfortunately, it won't help her. But you can be sure she was glad to get your vote.

It would be fascinating to know how she and Bill are getting along now. I saw something that said since Virginia is for lovers, it's the perfect place for her and Bill--the perfect loving couple. After all, she owes a good part of her current situation to Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 10:31 PM

Obama has swept Maryland and the District of Columbia by significant margins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:36 PM

We're on track for president McCain. I wonder if he'll live out his first term of office.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 12 Feb 08 - 11:43 PM

900.