BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:26 AM

Final 'reform' push: twisting arms
By MICHAEL TANNER

Last Updated: 1:57 AM, March 10, 2010

Posted: 1:21 AM, March 10, 2010


President Obama's attempts to ram health- care reform through an increasingly reluctant Congress are starting to resemble a really eventful episode of "The Sopranos."

Whether or not you believe former Rep. Eric Massa's bizarre accusations of locker-room confrontations and conspiracies to drive him from office, there is no doubt that the Obama administration and its congressional allies are willing to use every trick in the book to get this bill passed.

They've already bought votes with pork and special deals -- the "Louisiana purchase" ($300 million to bolster that state's Medicaid program, which swayed Sen. Mary Landrieu); the "Cornhusker kickback" ($100 million to Medicaid there, sweetening the pot for Sen. Ben Nelson), and Florida's "Gator Aid" (a Medicare deal potentially worth $5 billion, a hefty price for Sen. Bill Nelson's vote). Plus the millions for Connecticut hospitals, Montana asbestos abatement and so on.

Nor were the Obamans willing to let a little thing like election laws stand in the way. They rewrote Massachusetts law to allow for an appointed senator to hold office for several months, hoping to get the bill through before the special election that Scott Brown ultimately won. Their plans spoiled, they even considered holding up Brown's seating to let the appointed senator continue to vote on health care -- until public outrage forced them to back down.

And, of course, there has been an unprecedented willingness to ignore congressional rules -- from the failure to appoint a "conference committee" to negotiate differences between the House and Senate bills, to their current plans to use the reconciliation process to bypass a Republican filibuster.

Expect the tactics to get even dirtier now.

Those who support the president can expect favors. No sooner had Rep Jim Matheson (D-Utah) suggested that he might be willing to switch his vote and support the latest version of ObamaCare than his brother was nominated for a federal judgeship.

Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.) is also on the undecided list. And, purely by coincidence no doubt, the Justice Department just announced that it is dropping an FBI investigation that has been swirling about the congressman. Gosh, if only Charlie Rangel were one of the undecideds.

Those who oppose the president can expect the political equivalent of a horse head between their sheets.

Some of this is just traditional electioneering: On-the-fence Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln is getting a primary challenger with some backing from the national Democratic machine.

But some of it is much nastier. Massa's story may have credibility issues, but other opponents of the bill are also starting to feel the heat. For instance, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), whose opposition to abortion funding has become one of the bill's biggest hurdles, is now seeing attacks on his ethics.

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow recently questioned the legality of the low rent that a conservative Christian group charges Stupak for his DC apartment. She even noted ominously that disgraced South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford stayed at the same building. The liberal blog Daily Kos has picked up on the charges and suggested that both the IRS and the House Ethics Committee investigate.

"Politics ain't beanbag," as Mr. Dooley noted. Presidents have always twisted arms and made deals. And when two-thirds of voters are opposed to your plans, you may have no choice but to play hardball.

But when Obama promised to change the way Washington does business, we didn't think he meant making it a "family" business.



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:31 AM

Amos,

If anything, thois is a further example that the Obama administration is leading the way in increasing division and attacks on opponanyts- contrary to Obama's campaign promises.

If you want to allow Obama to get away with what you criticised Bush for, you are stating that Obama is to be judged by different rules, and is somehow " special". Hardly fair, to him OR to the country.



"Responding to a University of Alabama law student's question, Roberts said anyone was free to criticize the court, and some have an obligation to do so because of their positions.

"So I have no problems with that," he said. "On the other hand, there is the issue of the setting, the circumstances and the decorum.

"The image of having the members of one branch of government standing up, literally surrounding the Supreme Court, cheering and hollering while the court — according the requirements of protocol — has to sit there expressionless, I think is very troubling."

Breaking from tradition, Obama criticized the court's decision that allows corporations and unions to freely spend money to run political ads for or against specific candidates."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:35 AM

Amos,

Care to justify the present attacks on those who do not agree with the president??? I know that you are in full approval of giving payoffs to his supporters from your previous comments.




"And, of course, there has been an unprecedented willingness to ignore congressional rules -- from the failure to appoint a "conference committee" to negotiate differences between the House and Senate bills, to their current plans to use the reconciliation process to bypass a Republican filibuster.

Expect the tactics to get even dirtier now.

Those who support the president can expect favors. No sooner had Rep Jim Matheson (D-Utah) suggested that he might be willing to switch his vote and support the latest version of ObamaCare than his brother was nominated for a federal judgeship.

Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.) is also on the undecided list. And, purely by coincidence no doubt, the Justice Department just announced that it is dropping an FBI investigation that has been swirling about the congressman. Gosh, if only Charlie Rangel were one of the undecideds.

Those who oppose the president can expect the political equivalent of a horse head between their sheets.

Some of this is just traditional electioneering: On-the-fence Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln is getting a primary challenger with some backing from the national Democratic machine.

But some of it is much nastier. Massa's story may have credibility issues, but other opponents of the bill are also starting to feel the heat. For instance, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), whose opposition to abortion funding has become one of the bill's biggest hurdles, is now seeing attacks on his ethics.
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:57 AM

If free speech must needs yield to decorum, I am sure the SCOTUS will have no trouble putting the Phelps tribe in their place for desecrating a funeral with garrulous demonstrations. It will make for an interesting test of their even-handedness.

I object to the bald-faced assertions and generalities you post. Without specifics to support them they take on the air of frothing ill-mannered rants.

I don't think Obama misinterpreted the SCOTUS decision. The conflation of rights of speech as a basic human freedom and the rights of corporations to buy media exposure is disingenuous, whether in you or in the SCOTUS.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:09 PM

Care to justify the present attacks on those who do not agree with the president???

Jeezis, Brucie- take it up with Karl Rove, why dontcha?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:28 PM

Well, Greggie,

You seem to approve of it when liberals do it- are you claiming that liberals should operate under different rules than you wanted conservatives to live under???

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 12:40 PM

Given all the outright SCREAMING in our faces that the left and moderates have had to put up with from the SCREAMING RIGHT I thought that Obama's response to Roberts was rather reserved...

I mean, lets get real... The right have become like mentally ill with their SCREAMING and then get highly and righteously indignant when they are criticised for their behavior... There is gonna come a time when the left has had just enough of this immature and borish behavior... But until then, ya'll just keep it up if it make's ya'll all warm and fuzzy...

Robert's and Alito both lied in the confirmation hearings... Both promised to respect precidence but are now Hell-bent on becoming the new US Congress!!! That's bullshit and their ain't enough protocol paint in the world to either cover it up or remove the stench...

I don't recall the righties here gettin' all huffy-puffy when Congressman Wilson tried to shout down the president when he was addressing a joint session on Congress... That, on top of the righteous indignation we are now hearing, is hypocrisy in spades...

Ya'll want some protocol??? Learn some friggin' manners and practice them... Ya'll mama's didn't raise ya'll to be borish crybabies...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 02:48 PM

"the crap you buy at the government run ABC stores"

What percentage of people get lead poisoning from the booze bought from the ABC Store?

Where does the tax money on booze bought at the ABC Store go to?

Does it support social programs like feeding kids amongst other things?

I suppose you think ducking taxes is an honorable thing to do.

You must be a teabagger with that attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:05 PM

You could just draw up lines around the country and have another civil war...

If you do, we Canadians promise not to get involved, eh? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mousethief
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 08:39 PM

I'm willing to let 'em go this time. Iowa for free.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 09:17 PM

Me, too, mouser and that would mean sellin' my farm. leaving my gardens an all... But if the rednecks want out that bad then don't let the door hit ya'll on the way out... Ya'll allready have the highest divorce rates, the highest obesity rates, the highest health care costs, the dumbest people, the most per cpaital federal tax dollars returend to ya'll so ya'll becoming a drain on the rest of the country.... Yeah, if ya'll want out then fine with me... I rather live in an ara where people ain't brought up thinking that the government owed them everything while criticizing the hand that feeds 'um...

I mean, these people couldn't survive 30 days without the northweat and west coast paying in the bigass $$$s that in turn got dooled out to them... Bunch of ungratefull crybabies as far as I can see...

BTW, the US now is 18th in high school graduation rates in the top 24 industrialized countries... Come to where I live an' you'll understand in about 10 minutes... I mean, I never thought I'd see our country so dumbed down... I mean, eat up with stupidity and ignorance and the worst part about it is that the Repubs have lived at the "Elitist (eductaed) plate" for so long that there are entire regions that think that education is stupid????

Wait a minute... Education stupid????

See what I mean???

Yeah, let the loser states go... They will be like Haiti in 30 days... And build a bigass wall to keep them gone 'cause they gonna be doing everything they can to escape the Hell-hole once the federal $$$s quit coing their way... I mean, a BIGASS WALL!!! No, that ain't screaming... Just the size of the wall it's gonna take to keep a bunch of self righteuos rednecks outta civilized people's neighborhoods...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM

There ya go with the hate speech again Bobert.

What kind of gun should we buy to kill those self righteous, dumb, obese, divorced, crybaby, uncivilized r******s with when they try to climb over your wall Bobert? Are they the ones with the kids that go hungry at night? The ones that are below the poverty line?

Now if they was illegal aliens, you would be handin' out ladders and hugs and kisses when they made it over the wall. Here's your free medical care, welfare, child support, food stamps, education and let me know if you need anythin' else cause I'm here to serve my fellow man.

If they were convicted murderers on death row you would be wailing to save them from the death penalty.

If they were unborn fetuses you'd be sayin' hell with them, they ain't even human yet, just some kind of bug to be squashed so fire up the Roto Rooter.

If they were drug dealers, you would be sending business their way sayin' real men smoke pot.

If they were moonshiners selling poisioned goods, you would be advertizing for them. Sayin' that legal stuff they sell at the ABC store is crap. Who needs to pay taxes anyway? Real men drink 'shine.

Man, you got one big ass, serious anger management problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 10:58 PM

This is a hoot. ;-) Better than old reruns of "All In The Family", that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Mar 10 - 07:41 AM

Yeah, Sawz... Rather than me got thru my litiny of things I hate maybe you can go back and reread it...

Ain't hate speech at all, son, but you wouldn't know hate speech if it bit you on yer as... No offense, mind you, but hate speech is all about hatin' someone for their race, national origin or sexual preference... Hey, that ain't me... Yeah, sho nuff alot of dumbass things that I hate (see list allready posted) but I don't hate people... I don't hate no-body...

Ya' see, son... I was brought up to "hate the sin but love the sinner".... Yup, that's the way my "Commie Mommie" (lol) brought me up... We both purdy string Christains, too, and Jesus ain't into hating folks but He sho nuff hated dumbass stuff that some folks do...

But you won't get this at all 'cuase it's like a square peg 'an you ain't got no round holes in yer thinkerator...

Gotta go...

B~