BS: Popular Views on Obama

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From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 11:33 AM

An Israeli writer explains his support of Obama.



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 02:15 PM

Obama Girl offers advice to Hillary Clinton in a most becoming way. (Wait through ad).



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 02:51 PM

Just when I thought it couldn't get any
worse
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Obama Girl: Electioneering at its Best … or Raunchiest?
or at its nadir?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:07 PM

This one is a lot more constructive, with better music and production values.


Yes We Can

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:14 PM

Obama responds to the last State of the Union Address given by Bush.



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM

Amos, You beat me to that one! (I watched it before trying to post it.)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:22 PM

:>D Great minds post alike....



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:24 PM

Richard Shenkman the author of 'Presidential Ambition: How the Presidents Gained Power, Kept Power and Got Things Done' stated at the time of the 2004 election....

"Any time you've got a divided country, that divisiveness just gets the blood going of these very competitive people who are in the business of getting their candidate elected, and then you tend to have more ugly politicking and smear campaigning."

"We have a tradition of ugly politics in America but this campaign is much more intense because of the Internet, 24-hour cable news and talk radio. There are so many more ways to communicate smears. It's all smear all the time."

As I've said on another thread I'm merely an 'outsider' lookin in in some disillusionment.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:29 PM

Yes we can!
courtesy of U.K. preschool TV :)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 03:32 PM

Emma, By far the bulk of those smears, by far were going one way. Bush couldn't exactly have run on his record and Faux news does nothing but smear.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 10:15 PM

Little known facts about Wright's past service can be found here. Seems he may not be quite the ogre he has been painted to be...



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 12:21 PM

McCarthy's shadow spreads over the land

March 26, ANDREW GREELEY [e-mail] :
The ghost of the late Sen. Joseph R. McCarthy is abroad in the land.

"Tail gunner Joe" was a master of the art of guilt by association.

Sen. Barack Obama ought not to have had to defend his outspoken pastor. The Rev. Wright is not running for the presidency. There is no evidence at all that the senator identifies with his clergyman, and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Yet the senator must repudiate him or lose the primary battle to Sen. Hillary Clinton. Even a repudiation would not do. The senator's brilliant speech did not help him; his polling rates have collapsed in Pennsylvania.

The United States will reveal itself to the world as a country in which a candidate can be destroyed by a single explosion on YouTube -- at least if he's black.

The media will celebrate that they have dragged down another celebrity like Gov. Eliot Spitzer.

Some of my friends tell me that Obama might still carry it off. I hope they're right. ..."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 03:32 PM

The Tide is Turning. SPeaks for itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 03:37 PM

Now they're digging up family trees!

"It turns out the woman attempting to become the first female president of the United States can count among her relations Alanis Morissette, Celine Dion and former prime minister Pierre Trudeau. Madonna and "On the Road" author Jack Kerouac are also counted among her relatives.


"It is common to find people of French Canadian descent to be related to large numbers of other French Canadians, including these notables," said NEHGS genealogist Christopher Child in a news release.


Clinton is also related to Camilla Parker-Bowles, who is married to Prince Charles.


Obama doesn't have high profile genealogical connections to Canada, but is distant cousins with at least six other former U.S. presidents, including President George W. Bush and his father, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman and James Madison.


Obama, who has a white mother from Kansas and a black father from Kenya, is also related to Robert E. Lee, who was a general during the Civil War.


His lineage also stretches across the Atlantic, where he can count former Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill as a cousin, though most of the ancestry from Obama's mother's side is from the southern and mid-Atlantic states, Child said. " (From CTV).

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 03:43 PM

Nice Vid Amos

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 03:55 PM

remember this election anthem folks?

A pop music title, however devoutly wished for, is not a substitute for policies and good leadership.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 04:08 PM

But "Things can only get better" was a pretty crap song anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 04:15 PM

McGrath and Emma

Three thoughts come to mind.
That music is shite.
That video is very cheesy.
That man should be slapped in the side of the head for trying to sing R&B and asking others to listen. He would get booed out of a Karaoke club.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 04:24 PM

On the other hand Bob the Builder - Yes We Can, that Emma linked to earlier, is a lot better. And it would stand up well as a campaign song. It's even got a politcal agenda!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 04:36 PM

Now you're talking!!!!

B-)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 08:39 PM

Obama's speech was the boldest and most direct statement on race relations by a major political figure in more than a generation. His willingness to take the risk of confronting one of America's most volatile and intractable problems head-on is striking. It gives us sense of how Obama might use his considerable rhetorical skills not just to win elections, but, also to lead and to govern.

San Francisco Chronicle ichard Thompson Ford is a law professor at Stanford University.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 08:47 PM

He's back from St. Thomas and he is telling it like it is.



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 10:57 PM

Where they stand in the youthful sector of voters:

" MySpace and Facebook create a sense of connection to the candidates. Between the two sites, Mr. Obama has about one million Òfriends,Ó Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, his rival for the Democratic nomination, has roughly 330,000, and Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee, has more than 140,000. Four out of 10 young people have watched candidate speeches, interviews, commercials or debates online, according to Pew, substantially more than people 30 and older."

Hell, we don't have to leave the world to the next generation -- they're taking it!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 11:18 PM

On this page a video of Wright in which the full context of his remarks -- quoting Ambassador Peck quoting Malcolm X--is shown to be completely the opposite of what it was portrayed by Faux News to be. This clip was linked earlier as well (3-20) by Jack. If you have any question about Wright's real words, go ye here and hear them.

There was a time in the country when the Fourth Estate was an honorable profession.

This is not that time. On this issue alone, it stands wholly disgraced, let alone the others like it. You have to wonder why the Times did not announce with four-inch tall letters, "Murdoch's Minions Massacre Truth, Disgrace Profession by Resorting to Slander". On the strength of just the two versions of this clip, it would, I think, stand up in court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 09:17 AM

USA TODAY -- Obama merchandise is hot on the Web: "The delegate race may be tight, but the user-generated merchandise race is clear, at least on the Web: Sales of Obama products, especially T-shirts, are soaring past Hillary Clinton gear. John McCain supporters, meanwhile, aren't making as much noise when it comes to personalizing paraphernalia."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 10:13 AM

Roger Cohen in the Times remarks, "Obama, in his speech on race, did important things. He confronted reality, thought big, probed division, sketched convergence. He took Americans and many people beyond U.S. shores to a different mental place. Imagine that capacity applied to GWOT, Iran, Russia, China and Israel-Palestine.

If you don't like the sound of that, there's always seasoned swagger of the sort that runs from imaginary snipers. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 12:21 PM

Obama's Economic speech is making waves.

"But the American experiment has worked in large part because we have guided the market's invisible hand with a higher principle. Our free market was never meant to be a free license to take whatever you can get, however you can get it. That is why we have put in place rules of the road to make competition fair, and open, and honest. We have done this not to stifle – but rather to advance prosperity and liberty. As I said at NASDAQ last September: the core of our economic success is the fundamental truth that each American does better when all Americans do better; that the well being of American business, its capital markets, and the American people are aligned.

I think all of us here today would acknowledge that we've lost that sense of shared prosperity. "

Full advance text can be read here in the Times

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:32 PM

VOA News reports:

A new opinion survey shows Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama continues to maintain solid support among voters, while opponent Hillary Clinton has seen a drop in her popularity.

The survey by the Wall Street Journal and NBC News shows the two rivals in a dead heat at 45 percent support from registered Democrats.

The poll indicates Obama, an Illinois senator, with a positive personal rating of 49 percent, down from 51 percent from two weeks ago. It shows Clinton with a 37 percent positive personal rating, her lowest rating in the poll since 2001.

The survey shows Clinton and Obama are virtually tied against Arizona Senator John McCain, the likely Republican Party nominee
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:38 PM

MErcury News reports:

...The poll also asked Californians about the presidential race - and, once again, the state appears poised to back the Democratic nominee. By double-digit margins, likely voters said the Democratic Party would do a better job handling issues ranging from health care to the economy to the Iraq war.

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama holds a 49 percent to 40 percent lead in California over Republican nominee John McCain in a hypothetical matchup. Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton holds a smaller lead over McCain, 46 percent to 43 percent.

The survey, available at www.ppic.org, was conducted from March 11 to March 18. It polled 2,002 adult residents, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points. Among the 1,077 likely voters interviewed, the error margin was plus or minus 3 percentage points
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:39 PM

See also this Gallup poll placing Obama 4 points ahead of Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:40 PM

See "McCain: Liar or Ignorant" thread...

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 02:58 PM

Amos that graph looks pretty much like neck and neck to me!

Then again it could be 'the media, pretending the race is close for ratings.'
BS: Hillary Adopts Tanya Harding Option???
27 Mar 08 - 12:56 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM

Emma the that poll has nothing to do with the delegate count. Hillary would have to win every race form here on in with 70% margins to win. That is not going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 03:17 PM

HEre is an interesting analysis of the Obama administration's foreign policy doctrine and what it implies for the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 04:04 PM

Interesting article Amos. I like Obama's national Security team.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 05:46 PM

LEt me just point out taht in sixty days Obama has come from 20 points behind to several points ahead. He also leads in surveys compared to McCain and compared to Hillary as against McCain.

Longer view on these Gallup polls here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 05:47 PM

Obama Economic speech - Bush's third term.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 06:39 PM

Amos - those polls show that Clinton and Obama started pretty much neck to neck too.

Today they also demonstrate that ....
'Democrats are at greatest risk of losing the support of independents if their preferred Democratic candidate loses, though the defection rate is greater for Hillary Clinton supporters (39%) than for Barack Obama supporters (29%).'

Like I said. I'm an 'outsider' who just doesn't want to see another Republican term.
But 'massaging' the figures to suit the candidate of your choice doesn't quite fit with an objective analysis.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 06:46 PM

Thanks, Jack. Damn, he speaks well....


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:02 PM

Polls are just a snapshot of how the people contacted feel at a given time. I could speculate why some of Hillary's people would vote for McCain. The obvious reason is that she's taking votes away from HIM. This is a little bit scary: Hillary's people would rather see a conservative Republican who wants to keep the war going indefinitely than Obama!? Who ARE these people!?

Then again, it's a poll, and her voters may be feeling a bit spiteful these days. Things may, and likely WILL change. Obama will be nominated, and if she wants her career to continue, she'll support her party and endorse him.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:07 PM

Jeri, it's not 'Hillary's people' who say that they would not vote for Obama it's the 'independents'

In fact it's 'Obama's people' who have an on line petition for people to sign that they would refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton if she was nominated.

I have no vote but I would like to see some objectivity in this discussion.
I haven't seen very much on the forum so far!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:16 PM

Objectivity in a discussion of US politics?


LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM

Democrats are at greatest risk of losing the support of independents if their preferred Democratic candidate loses, though the defection rate is greater for Hillary Clinton supporters (39%) than for Barack Obama supporters (29%)

39% and 29% of how many supporters? Using totally hypothetical numbers, if Clinton had 3 million independent supporters and 39% of them were going to defect, but Obama had 20 million and 29% were going to defect, I think it's safe to say that Obama would have a better chance of getting elected in the general election. What this goes to show is that numbers like that are basically meaningless unless a lot more information is given.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:39 PM

Emma, by 'Hillary's people', I meant her supporters. This poll however, was done by surveying Democrats. You quoted it. Did you see a survey of independent voters?
From the the Gallup poll:

"A sizable proportion of Democrats who support Hillary Clinton for their party's nomination, 28%, would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against Barack Obama."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:47 PM

Oh never mind. Clue found tripped over.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 07:51 PM

Jeri I just quoted a little more of the poll that Amos quoted!

I agree, statistics can be made to prove anything - that was my point!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 08:01 PM

One of the other problems with that poll is that it fails to ask about people like me - independent voters who would vote for someone other than either Clinton or McCain if Clinton got the nomination. I suspect that there is a fairly sizable number of us who are in that category.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM

IF you have not listened to Obama's actual economics speech (see link from Jack up thread) I think you really should. If you like the man, you'll find it delightful. If you don't you will at least have a chance to see who he is and where he stands, and possibly understand why he wins voters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 10:03 PM

Congressman Dan Lipinski is backing U.S. Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid.

Lipinski had been one of the two remaining holdouts among Democratic superdelegates in Illinois' congressional delegation. He says he's endorsed Obama because of the candidate's emphasis on overcoming partisanship and uniting the country. (Sun-TImes)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 11:10 AM

Senator Bob Casey Jr. of Pennsylvania, one of the state's last undecided superdelegates, plans to endorse Barack Obama during a rally at the Soldiers and Sailors Military Museum and Memorial in Pittsburgh this morning.

(NY Times)