BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 03:19 PM

Mr. Obama made his name in the Illinois Legislature by championing historic civil liberties reforms, like the mandatory recording of all interrogations and confessions in capital cases. Although prosecutors, the police, the Democratic governor and even some death penalty advocates were initially opposed to the bill, Mr. Obama won them over. The reform passed unanimously, and it has been adopted by four other states and the District of Columbia.

In the Senate, Mr. Obama distinguished himself by making civil liberties one of his legislative priorities. He co-sponsored a bipartisan reform bill that would have cured the worst excesses of the Patriot Act by meaningfully tightening the standards for warrantless surveillance. Once again, he helped encourage a coalition of civil-libertarian liberals and libertarian conservatives. The effort failed when Hillary Clinton joined 13 other Democrats in supporting a Republican motion to cut off debate on amendments to the Patriot Act.

That wasnÕt the first time Mrs. Clinton tacked to the center in a civil-liberties debate. In 2005, she co-sponsored a bill that would have made it a federal crime to intimidate someone by burning a flag, even though the Supreme Court had struck down similar laws in the past. (Mr. Obama supported a narrower bill that would have satisfied the Constitution.) And Mrs. Clinton opposed a moderate proposal by the United States Sentencing Commission that would have retroactively reduced the draconian penalties for possession of crack cocaine Ñ a proposal supported by Mr. Obama, and by liberal as well as conservative judges.

The real concern about Hillary ClintonÕs record on civil liberties is that her administration would look like that of her husband. Bill ClintonÕs presidency had many virtues, but a devotion to civil liberties was not one of them. After the Oklahoma City bombing, the Clinton administration proposed many of the expansions of police power that would end up in the Patriot Act. (They were opposed at the time by the same coalition of civil-libertarian liberals and libertarian conservatives that Mr. Obama has supported.) The Clinton administrationÕs tough-on-crime policies also contributed to the rising prison population, and to the fact that the United States has a higher incarceration rate than any other country.

(See rest of article here in the Times).

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 03:45 PM

"the United States has a higher incarceration rate than any other country."

                        I know, but doesn't it seem like the wrong people are in jail?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:27 PM

I am sure there are people who need to be incarcarated and are let go, and there are people who are incarcarated and should be let go, after a thorough review of their history, psychiatric condition, etc., to very securely supervised semi-jails, where they are somewhat free to come and go during the day but must be there for a pretty early, say 10 p.m., time to catch the early movie, curfew. The key is having a place for them to live that is supervised, and throwing them back in the clinker for any infractions or failure to report in or to be electronically tracked. I hope Obama does something like that..starting with the elderly prisoners, who probably wouldn't need too much supervision, but would need a place to live. You want to know where people are, some of them, and you want to make sure there is not a pool of ex-prisoners (the male ones anyway) mooching off women in various situations and perhaps bothering their teenage girls. Certainly not in public housing. So I think a whole bunch of prisoners could be semi=released, some could be totally released if there are provisions for their housing...some would have to be electornically surveyed perhaps for a very long time...and some should not ever be released barring some sort of surgery because of violence potential. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 10:59 AM

"HillaryÕs boys pout that the press should find some dirt on Obama before time runs out. Their once fearsome campaign is now reduced to whining that Obama did not hold any substantive hearings of his Subcommittee on European Affairs. WhatÕs next? Bitterly complaining that he missed a quorum call?

Hillary keeps trying to dismiss ObamaÕs appeal as emotional, something that can be overcome with enough mental discipline. But behind that ethereal presence heÕs a wonky lawyer, just like Hillary. He reads The Times and Philip Roth and talks about the fine points of Medicare Part B in a way W. never could have when he first ran for president. (Or now.)

HillaryÕs visceral attacks will not work. And the RepublicansÕ visceral attacks on the ObamasÕ patriotism, and their usual attempt to make the Democrat seem foreign (Hussein, Hussein, Hussein!), may not have the same traction.

The president took the country to war on his gut, exploited our fears and played the patriotism card to advance his political agenda.

This time, Americans may prefer cerebral arguments to visceral ones. What a refreshing change reality would be."


(Maureen Dowd, NYT)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:00 AM

It looks like the Obama campaign has found the 2004 Bill Clinton appearance in support of Kerry--the one Azizi has brought to our attention-- in which Clinton says if one candidate is urging you to hope and another to fear, you'd better support the one urging hope. And this is of course one of "Clinton's laws of politics".

So the Obama campaign now has an ad consisting of exactly this clip of Bill on hope vs fear---and then the Obama logo. I've seen the ad.

Perfect.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 12:52 PM

Maybe they are sensible enough to read the Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 02:32 PM

I am praying to watch Obama sweep Texas. Far-fetched as it sounds, the seeds of this kind of innovation are deep in the Texan mindset. If the idea starts to catch, as it well might, it could produce a remarkable reversal of expectation.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 05:00 PM

I wonder if a lot of Republicans will switch over and vote for Hillary, like Rush Limbaugh is urging them to do?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:33 PM

NEW YORK The generally conservative editorial board of the Dallas Morning News today endorsed Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee in their party's primaries on Tuesday. Texas also has a complicated caucus structure.

Huckabee has little chance to turn the GOP race but Texas is a key state for the Democrats. If Obama wins there, or Ohio, he will probably wrap up his party's nod.

Here is an excerpt from the DMN editorial on Obama.
*

Texas Democrats have a chance to make history as they choose between two qualified presidential candidates. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton often seem to be singing from the same hymnbook, but that doesn't mean this race is a close call.

On questions of substance and leadership style, Mr. Obama is the better choice.

In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton's antics mocking his optimism, Mr. Obama has shown that it is possible to have both hope and intellectual heft. Her campaign has confused proximity to power with work experience, selectively taking credit for her husband's accomplishments.

At times, Obama-mania has threatened to obscure the substantive differences between the two candidates' proposed policies. A close examination shows that Mr. Obama is on the right side of several key issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:34 PM

From HElena, MT:

"By Ann Hagen-Buss, 2204 Alpine Drive - 03/02/08

What an exciting presidential primary weÕre having with so many good Democratic candidates to chose from.

My support is with the incredibly smart, hugely patriotic, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. A recent letter bemoaned the saturation of the media with Obama stories. I am somewhat confused as to how blame could be slanted to Sen. Obama as he has no control of the media.

This letter also questioned Sen. ObamaÕs experience in relationship to his ability to lead our country out of the mess from the past eight years. IÕm pleased to inform that when he takes office, Sen. Obama will have served eight years in the Illinois Legislature, followed by four years in the U.S. Senate. Oh, and by the way, he graduated at the top of his class from Harvard Law School, and went on to teach constitutional law at University of Chicago.

Sen. Obama has the smarts, the experience, and the calm judgment to lead this country back to a status of prominence and respect in the world. I will be casting my vote for him in June and I encourage all voters to do the same."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:40 PM

From Rhode Island:

"he conventional wisdom is that Rhode Island will be a clean sweep for Hillary. I tended to agree until yesterday.

My girlfriend and I took a spin down to Rhode Island College yesterday for the Barack Obama rally. Unfortunately, we were unable to get into the main rally inside the gymnasium (capacity: 5000), and were relegated to the overflow crowd. The overflow crowd also numbered around 5000, and we waited in the cold and rain for over 3 hours to see Obama. He spoke to us first, and gave a very abbreviated version of his stump speech.
10,000 people came to his rally. In comparison, Hillary Clinton drew 2000 (This is the same venue where she invoked "celestial choirs" in order to mock Obama's inspirational message).

There are very few times that I have seen this many Rhode Islanders show up for something (the annual airshow and Waterfire being the only other events that come to mind). The crowd was very diverse, while in line I spoke to or observed a whole bunch of vastly different people: Black, White, Hispanic, Pakistani. Working class, Middle class and Upper class. Single, Married and parents toting children - young and old.

I noted people sporting sweatshirts and jackets from Brown university, R.I. college and the local community college. Catholic (mostly) and protestant. Freemasons, Hippies, Punks, Yuppies, Soccer Moms and Anti-war activists. I even ran into some Ron Paul supporters, anti-illegal immigration activists and 911 truthers."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:43 PM

"Simmons Endorses Obama
By SARAH WHEATON
Russell Simmons has just announced his endorsement of Senator Barack Obama, but the hip-hop mogul did not always have kind words for the candidate.

ÒObamaÕs leadership, passion and demand for a change resonates effectively with the aspirations of millions of people who want a better quality of life,Ó Mr. Simmons, co-founder of Def Jam Recordings, said in a statement." (NYT Blogs)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:45 PM

CINCINNATI (AP) Ñ The Cincinnati Enquirer on Sunday endorsed Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama in TuesdayÕs Ohio primary.

Both candidates would best serve the constituencies of their respective parties, the newspaper said.
In the endorsement, The Enquirer said McCain has been square with voters about where he stands, citing his views on immigration and campaign finance reform.
ÒMcCain has long enjoyed a reputation, deserved or not, as a Õmaverick,ÓÕ The Enquirer said in an editorial. ÒMcCainÕs departures from the beaten path have proven, perhaps ironically, to be just what his partyÕs mainstream voters were looking for.Ó
Obama, though lacking Hillary Rodham ClintonÕs experience, would do a better job of putting the coalitions together needed to make government work, the newspaper said.
ÒObama has been on the national stage for a relatively short time, but in that time he has demonstrated an ability and a willingness to work with others. He does not waste time demonizing those with different views,Ó the newspaper said.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:50 PM

From London's Financial Times:

"Candidates go deep in the heart of Texas
By Edward Luce in Washington
Published: March 2 2008 22:00 | Last updated: March 2 2008 22:00

Barack Obama on Sunday increased the likelihood that he will secure the Democratic partyÕs presidential nomination in TuesdayÕs key primary elections with opinion polls showing him moving narrowly into the lead over Hillary Clinton in Texas and reducing his deficit to just 4 percentage points in Ohio.

Mrs Clinton must win both states, which until recently had been seen as safe territory for her, to retain any realistic chance of securing the nomination."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 07:53 PM

This is getting ridiculous. Have I ever posted 6 times in a row on a thread I myself started about Winona Ryder or William Shatner?

No. I haven't. Show some restraint, Amos. You are verging on obession here. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 08:17 PM

Rig--

Somehow, it's not likely that many Texas Republicans will take Rush's suggestion to cross over and vote for Hillary--even though she'd be the weaker Democratic candidate for the fall.

You see, the problem is that there's a rather large bunch of Texas Republicans who--not to put too fine a point on it-- loathe and despise Hillary and Bill--and have since the 1990's. It's actually somewhat more likely that they'd cross over and vote the other way--against her--to make sure they don't have to see another Clinton in the White House.

A lot of them feel pretty strongly about this--I don't know exactly why.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM

Little Hawk:

Listen to the still, small, voice.

If you will not, then shut the F+++ up.

There's a good lad.

These are people speaking to you who are genuinely concerned about the path of nations.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 09:07 PM

Sorry, Amos,

It's likely to be the day after hell freezes over before LH takes either of your suggestions. It's his God-given role to bring peace and concord to Mudcat--in his own inimitable way. It's certainly good to know that he's always so calm and impartial, sagely counseling all parties to see themselves as equally guilty of whatever problem is being discussed. Since of course there is no difference between political parties--all are caught in the grip of the $ystem, against which the citizen is of course powerless. And there is no such thing as right and wrong. And of course voting is therefore close to totally pointless.

So nobody should get exercised about anything as trivial as a mere political campaign.

I can't imagine how you and I could be so off-base as to actually care deeply about this election.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 10:02 PM

Tsk! Tsk! The one gets touchy and the other gets catty. :-) Cannot a man inject a little levity into the political turmoil now and then without arousing this sort of venomous reaction? Goodness sakes! You wound me, good sirs, you wound me! I shall have to crawl off and recover now...dear, dear...

(I wasn't seriously objecting to Amos's thread, I was just rattling his cage a bit, cos he's my pal. I can't help it if you two chose to take me dead seriously.)

Ron, you must be joking, implying I don't care about your election. I care deeply about your danged election, though I'm not in much of a position to do anything about it. However, I even contributed to one of the campaigns down there...cash money, my lad. That's how deeply I care about it. Have you ever contributed money to a Canadian election campaign?

Didn't think so. ;-) Hell, I have never contributed money to a Canadian election campaign, but I did to this American campaign. THAT's how important I think your election is. It's important to the entire world.

I would hate like hell to see McCain win. The thought just horrifies me. I feel pretty queasy at the thought of the Clintons again occupying the White House too. Not as bad as the thought of Jeb Bush or Condoleeza Rice moving in, mind you...but still not so good.

Obama? I've got hopes he might just be a real breath of fresh air. We'll see. If he gets elected, we'll see. Got my fingers crossed here.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 01:54 PM

LH,

You might want to be careful what you say:
" However, I even contributed to one of the campaigns down there...cash money, my lad. That's how deeply I care about it."

I believe that it is against US federal law for campaigns to accept funds from foreign sources. The Clintons had that problem, as did Gore, I think.

So please keep it under the table, in the best (Democratic) tradition.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 02:24 PM

STAT OF THE DAY:

In 2004, only 33 percent of registered voters in Ohio turned out in the primary — though an enormous 72 percent ultimately voted in the general election.

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THis strikes me as interesting. It is possible the turnout will tip things in an unpredicted way, because of the number iof unpolled voters who bypassed the primary.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 05:34 PM

Little Hawk clearly isn't the only Canadian who likes Obama - YouTube - Canada Loves Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 06:15 PM

Terrific video, McG--thanks!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:00 PM

That was a very, cute video.

On facebook, there is a group called, "I have a crush on Obama."

He is definitely charismatic!

I just hope he chooses a good running mate. He'd be a terrific diplomat but I think he needs some experienced help in the background.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:19 PM

"The gospel of Sen. Barack Obama might not have opened up the heavens, as Sen. Hillary Clinton sarcastically suggested in a recent speech, but it apparently opened the eyes of one of her self-described friends and supporters, Russell Simmons. The music mogul, entrepreneur and staunch yoga practitioner endorsed Obama over the weekend.

"I see him as a different kind of candidate," Simmons said, echoing a refrain that is repeated over and over by converts to Obama's political message. "I see him as more of a spiritual inspiration, as much as a politician. The idea that other people are experiencing a change in themselves. I see that as an important part of the process."

A day before two decisive Democratic primary votes in Texas and Ohio, the question is not what Obama can do for Simmons. It's what Simmons can do for Obama. Simmons is the third richest man in hip-hop, with a net worth of more than $300 million, behind the rappers-turned-music-executives Jay-Z and Sean "P. Diddy" Combs. Young black voters have turned out in droves to cast ballots for Obama -- and Simmons could inspire even more.

Obama's campaign said Simmons will jet to Cleveland tomorrow to make appearances at a barber shop, a community college, a public housing complex, and a favorite stop of both Democratic candidates, a local high school.

But first, Simmons "dropped some knowledge," the hip-hop term for divulging previously unknown nuggets of information. "I did hear that the Obama camp got a call from Sean Combs," Simmons said. "I did hear from 50 Cent's camp that he didn't know about Hillary anymore."

What does that mean? He won't say. And Combs and 50, a.k.a., Curtis James Jackson III, couldn't be reached for comment. Combs and Jackson have been politically active in the past. Four years ago, Combs led a now defunct get out the vote effort for youth called "Vote or Die!""

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:25 PM

EW YORK - Former Gov. Hugh Carey has endorsed Barack Obama's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination over fellow New Yorker Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Carey praises Obama's judgment, inspiration and leadership while saying either candidate would be a major improvement over the current administration.

He says Obama can deal with crisis and think globally to protect national security. Carey also cites Obama's call for bipartisanship and coalitions to address issues facing the nation.


Carey was a seven-term congressman from Brooklyn and was twice elected governor from 1975 to 1982.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:30 PM

Senator Barack Obama blended themes of optimism and change yesterday with a sharp attack on opponent Hillary ClintonÕs vote for the Iraq war, at a presidential campaign rally before an overflow crowd of 10,000 at Rhode Island College.

Obama tailored his stump speech for a Rhode Island audience and drew a deafening swell of cheers for his criticism of ClintonÕs 2002 Senate vote authorizing President Bush to invade Iraq.

ÒReal change isnÕt voting for George BushÕs war in Iraq,Ó Obama said. ÒAnd then telling the American people it was actually [a vote] for more diplomacy. The title of the bill was Ôa resolution authorizing the use of the United States armed forces against Iraq.Õ

ÒI knew what it was,Ó he shouted. ÒLincoln Chafee knew what it was. It was a vote for war!Ó

Chafee, the former Rhode Island senator, was the only Republican in the Senate to oppose the resolution. Now an independent, he has endorsed Obama. In ChafeeÕs upcoming book, he excoriates members of Congress who supported the war, arguing that a vote for the resolution should be Òa career-ending lapse in judgment.Ó

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM

È

Obama Top Choice in American University Survey


The junior senator from Illinois received 71 percent of the vote among those who had voted or were planning to vote in a Democratic primary, while Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y) received 12 percent of their primary votes. Among Republican primary voters surveyed, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) received 41 percent of their votes, followed by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), a favorite among some young people, who garnered 18 percent of the respondents' votes; former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney trailed with 15 percent and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee drew 10 percent of the respondents' votes.

When young voters in the survey were asked to volunteer the name the candidate they would vote for if the presidential election were held today, Obama came in first, with 54 percent of the respondents choosing him. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) came in second place, with 19 percent of the respondents selecting him as their presidential candidate of choice. Approximately 10 percent of the respondents chose Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) as their presidential candidate. (WaPo)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:37 PM

From the Geek Front (Information Week):

Marc Andreessen On Barack Obama
Posted by John Foley, Mar 3, 2008 12:47 PM
        
ÈOn his Pmarca blog today, Marc Andreessen comes out in support of Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Andreessen bases his endorsement on a private 90-minute meeting last year in which, he says, Obama "grilled him" on the impact social networking would have on politics.

Andreessen's post comes just a day before primaries in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont that could determine whether Obama or Hillary Clinton represents the Democrats in the fall election. Andreessen says he has "tried very hard" to stay away from politics on his blog, then jumps in with both feet. "He's got my vote," he says of Obama.

Andreessen reflects back on a meeting that took place nearly a year ago. That's a long time ago in the current political scene, but Andreessen thinks it has value in showing what Obama was like before he was fully engaged in today's race. "I think we got a solid look at what he's like up close," says Andreessen.

The subject of social networking came up, not surprisingly given Andreessen's involvement with Ning. "The Senator was personally interested in the rise of social networking, Facebook, YouTube, and user-generated content, and casually but persistently grilled us on what we thought the next generation of social media would be and how social networking might affect politics," Andreessen writes.

What might that look like in action? On Ning, a half-dozen social networks have been created by Obama supporters, including Families for Obama, Obama-nation, and Obama Friends. A Ning search for Hillary Clinton comes up empty.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:53 PM

Stevie Wonder does his thing.


It's a zany world out there!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 02:31 PM

Batman is taking on The Joker as the race for the White House heats up in America - Michael Keaton has announced he's backing Barack Obama just days after Jack Nicholson confirmed he's supporting Hillary Clinton.

Nicholson has approved a pro-Clinton Internet video director Rob Reiner created using the movie veteran's most iconic film scenes, and now Keaton, who played the first big screen Batman, has admitted he wants Obama as America's next president.

He says, "There's something about him I find really attractive. (He's) really refreshing." And, as the two Democrats fight it our for their party's candidacy vote, Nicholson and Keaton aren't the only celebrities taking sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 02:39 PM

Obama nabs another Georgia superdelegate

By AARON GOULD SHEININ
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 03/04/08

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has scored another superdelegate from Georgia.

Democratic National Committee member Mary Long told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution she will back the senator from Illinois in his quest for the Democratic nomination for president.


Long was one of five Georgia superdelegates yet to choose between Obama and U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 03:42 PM

I wonder if she's any relation to Huey P.?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 05:01 PM

Still March and look at the length of this thread! By the time this election is done it promises to be up there with the Mother of All BS Threads... (Unless Clinton makes a dramatic comeback of course.)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 06:08 PM

8 posts in a row, Amos! Wow! As a card-carrying member of the OTHCITAWWAFWB (Obama Trojan Horse Committee to Irrevocably Transform America into What We All Fervently Wish it to Be), I wish to thank you for your untiring efforts here to inspire the faithful and to persuade those who have not yet made the one and only proper choice for the future of their country...a vote for Barack Obama. You WILL be rewarded amply after victory is achieved, I assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM

Obama/Richardson '08...

Liked the video, too...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 06:49 PM

This is lifeblood talking, Little Hawk. I have offspring whose lives will be made better or worse by this month's events.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM

Yes, quite possibly, Amos. I don't have such offspring, but if I did, I would have much the same concerns as you, albeit removed by one paltry borderline. The trouble is, every time the USA catches a cold, Canada starts sneezing. We wouldn't have soldiers dying in Afghanistan right now, if not for the USA's foreign policy, believe me.

Canadians would vote overwhelmingly to get the Republicans out of the White House. Polls have shown that. As for Hillary and Obama, support is split fairly evenly here, with I think a slight advantage going to Hillary (and that surprises me). The Clintons are better known here than Obama, but it still surprises me.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 07:38 PM

Obama is projected to have taken Vermont. Rhode Island results will probably take two more hors, and Ohio and Texas be available around 1AM PST. I am not waiting up.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 07:47 PM

Hmmm. Well, we'll find out in the morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 08:46 PM

He;s leading in Texas with the first 1% of the votes in, by about 54 to 42.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 09:56 PM

I'm worried!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 10:43 PM

Texas is a dead heat, Vermont's gone to Obama, RHode Island to Hillary, Ohio still in play with Hill leading by a couple of points. Wodda hoss race, huh?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 11:59 PM

From what I hear, the news in Texas sounds good for Obama---most of the areas yet to report in are high-population centers, where his strength likely is.

If he takes more delegates in Texas--and especially if he also gets the majority of the popular vote, his net lead will probably increase. So there should be more superdelegates signing up with him--which will increase the pressure on Hillary to drop out.

And since McCain will have a clear field from tonight on, it will become progressively more obvious to the Democrats that the bloodletting has to stop---especially if Hillary, thinking her negative ad--"3 AM"-- worked, tries more negative ads. That will prove, if proof was still needed, that her own victory is all she cares about---and the hell with the Democratic party.

It's also clear that she is by far the weaker of the two Democratic candidates for the fall election--she would get very few independents, no Republicans, and not even a enthusiastic unified Democratic party----as I've said earlier, she's poisoned the well she planned to drink from---and more negative ads directed at Obama will make the poison yet deadlier. And if she thinks the Obama enthusiasm can be seamlessly switched over to her, she's living in a fool's paradise----unsurprisingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 05:56 AM

LMAO.........Gee Ron, didn't turn out that way did it? Looks like this dreaded she-devil will be around for awhile. Don't kid yourself if it goes to the backrooms either.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 08:10 AM

Well, whoever survives as the winner at the Democratic convention will be well tested, and just maybe the voters will be innoculated by then against the more bizarre allegations.

McCain is not going to have an easy time portraying himself as "an agent of change." I do hope he accepts a big bear hug from Bush and Cheney this week. It will make a nice video for the ad campaign.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 08:13 AM

Spaw--

So it didn't turn out that way. Absolutely right. But she was about 20 points ahead of Obama a short time ago. His showing is not shabby.

And I hope you continue to LYAO as Hillary proceeds to worsen the Democratic civil war with more negative ads--since she has now proven they work.

And perhaps you'd like to tell us how she plans to seamlessly switch the enthusiasm of Obama's legions over to her for the fall.

Unless of course you're fine with McCain winning the election--more and more likely the longer the Democratic bloodletting continues.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 08:25 AM

How will she switch Obama's legions to her command?

1. Bush/Cheney

2. The economy

3. Bush/Cheny

4. The war

5. Bush/Cheney

What you don't seem to understand Ron, but many of the legitimate pollsters have been saying since before Feb 5th, Obama's support is soft. A lot of people who say they are for Obama also say they would be fine with Clinton getting the nod.

Which you should be seeing as A Good Thing.

Rather than continuing to cast Clinton as the Morrigan here.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 08:31 AM

"A lot of people who say they are for Obama also say they would be fine with Clinton getting the nod."


                      And it doesn't seem to work the other way aroung. Obama makes a good first impression, but after he's been around a while he seems to wear kind of thin.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Mar 08 - 09:10 AM

The reports I have heard indicate the reverse is also true, RIg,. They say it DOES work the other way around.

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