BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:10 AM

I see I misunderstood your intent in saying what you did, artbrooks.

The dictionary may define it in those terms, but that definition doesn't in any way convey the difference in emotional impact that each of those terms has on people. And it is that emotional impact that I think is the most important part of those words and the way they are used.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 06:10 AM

Of course, when stuff like a person's name, or the religion of a parent, is seen as the decoding factor, with religion being seen as some kind of biological inheritance, rather than as a matter of individual religious affiliation, the term "racism" can be appropriate enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 07:06 AM

Rig--

Sure is good Obama doesn't have you on his staff. He believes in the "big tent". That's a little bit different from bitter cynicism.


Another item:

artbrooks raises an interesting point.

Related point. I understand Obama is 46. Somebody else was 46 in 1992--and the victor that year. Somebody we've heard of.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 07:06 AM

To call someone a "racist"... is also a very handy way of destroying his reputation, whether or not it has any real basis in fact. If you try to defend yourself against such accusations, the more you struggle the faster you may sink in the quicksand....

And then there's the demonizing word "socialist" ...

There is absolutely NOTHING shameful about being a socialist... (or, by implication, a racist? W.H.) (Little Hawk)

Wolfgang (wondering which definition of "racist" applies this time)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 07:15 AM

I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Zimmerman.

But this seems to be a time for some of his most famous lines.

As I mentioned before there's: "Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall".

And:

"Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. (Riginslinger)?"

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:22 AM

Ron - I am a huge fan of Mr. Zimmerman, and that makes all the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:28 AM

Glad to hear it.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:22 AM

Of course, when stuff like a person's name, or the religion of a parent, is seen as the decoding factor, with religion being seen as some kind of biological inheritance, rather than as a matter of individual religious affiliation, the term "racism" can be appropriate enough.

I think that religion often can have a genetic implication in peoples' minds as well. In the case of the Muslim religion, I think a lot of people see it as being "not European" (not really "white"), and I tend to suspect that this is why it's so easy for Western societies to think it's ok to treat Muslims and Muslim countries as though they are inherently inferior - which, I would suggest, is the reason Western governments feel perfectly justified in adopting a colonialist stance in their relationship to those peoples and countries, and feeling like it is perfectly ok to subjugate their people and steal their resources.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:26 AM

A few mintes ago I received as nasty a political e-mail as I've ever seen, slurring Obama for his church affiliation. I copied all the addresses that had passed it on, and dropped them this:

                   I am sending this to all of those who have already received and forwarded the e- mail which I just received regarding Senator Barak Obama and his church affiliation, and to others who will very likely receive it soon. The quote below largely sums up that letter.




"if you look more closely at Trinity United Church of Christ, Obama's church, it sounds more like a racist cult than anything else"

I find it interesting, to say the least, that someone would say this about a church which forthrightly states that it is commited to preaching salvation in Christ. The church is staffed by highly educated people with credentials from a whole spectrun of mainstream universities, seminaries, and schools of divinity. It's ministries include involvement with such subversive, extremist organizations as Girl Scouts.

To imply from his membership in the church that Senator Obama is not a loyal American, or is a dangerous extremist, is the basest sort of political smear. It is absurd, and totally un-Christian.   

If you are about to make any assumptions about me, or my background, I will spare you some of the effort. I'm from a Minnesota farm, I'm a veteran of the U.S. Navy, I graduated from North Park Theological Seminary in Chicago, and the extremist groups to which I belong or owe loyalty are the United Methodist Church and the Lapeer Art Association.

                         D. Dean Elkins, Lapeer Michigan

It may not do any good, but it FELT good.   Dean

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:28 AM

God, what the crumb-bums won't do to dramatize their tiny little hatreds.

I spit.

Thanks, Dean.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:43 AM

Yeah, but we're just in the primary. Imagine what they're going to come up with in the general election.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 12:10 PM

Then we need to fill our quivers and stand by to repel hatred, all hands....



A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 12:22 PM

There are more and more independents. By virtue of that very status, it's obvious they don't take orders from anybody. I suspect they're also more likely to do research and think before they vote--and not to be swayed by pathetic stupid smears such as are under discussion.

With Obama as the nominee, the passion on the Democratic side in favor of their candidate is likely to be intense. With Hillary, it would be a pale shadow.

On the Republican side, even if McCain, the strongest candidate, is the nominee, there are a lot of Republicans who don't feel he was strong enough on tax cuts--he opposed the Bush cuts-- (now supports them), are against McCain-Feingold, and especially want to be far more punitive against illegal immigrants than McCain. For all these reasons, and more, the enthusiasm on their side will be tempered--some may well not vote, or vote for a write-in.

The economy is not in good shape, according to the general public perception--people tend to throw out the president's party in that case. The Republicans have been in power since 2000--- (Congress only changed hands ,actually to gridlock, recently)

Iraq is temporarily improving--but at the cost of arming both sides in the potential return of the civil war. This is particularly important, since it's the main reason for McCain's resurrection--and the upward trend could just as easily reverse, especially since "national reconciliation" is painfully slow.

These factors are likely to be more significant than any imagined Rush-Swift Boat etc. campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 12:37 PM

Good points, Ron, and well made.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 12:49 PM

Your point puzzles me, Wolgang. I was not implying any similarity between calling a person a "racist" or calling them a "socialist". I was simply taking note that in the USA the term "socialist" is used as a labeler to demonize people and attack them. "Socialism" seems to be seen as evil in the USA. I don't think it's used that way anywhere else, at least not by very many people.

As for racism, that is seen as evil anywhere....as it should be.

I was taking about several different things in one post, but not necessarily implying links between them that you suggest...simply thinking about several different things, that's all.

Clearly, to label someone a racist falsely, merely to do them damage, is to be slanderous and dishonest, correct? The question is...ARE they genuinely racist or not? If they are, fine, you can call them "racist" and be on solid ground. If they aren't, then to call them so is just a mindgame you're playing that is intended to damage them publicly in some way....and I've seen some examples of that from time to time. I'm sure you have too.

But to think that you can damage someone by calling him a "socialist"?????? Only in the USA! ;-) That's what's so weird about the USA.

So what was your point?

Look, Wolfgang, I don't read any toxic beliefs into the things you say, I assume you're a good, rational person with sensible ideas and high ideals. I would appreciate it if you were equally generous to me in that regard.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:23 PM

In the USA, Ronald Reagan ran Walter Mondale out of contention by simply calling him a "Liberal."
             When folks are so dumbed down they don't even know what a word means, the meaning is drawn by how you say it.
             I think in order to fix the political system in America, you'd have to go back and reconstruct the educational system first.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:25 PM

Right on.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:45 PM

At noon I am calling Obama the winner.

This is great!

When I was a kid I was called a niggar lover since I refused to adopt the status quo hatred.
As a teenager I was beat up for claiming that China's economy would someday rival ours.
As an adult I was told to love it or leave it.

Maybe now some social forgiveness and healing can fade our scars.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 01:58 PM

My usually Friday night television watching consists of NOW with David Brancaccio followed by Washington Week in Review with Gwen Ifill, and Bill Moyers' Journal. I find these programs are frequently very enlightening. And sometimes they can be pretty disturbing.

If you want a good insight into the "below the belt" aspects of American politics, NOW this past Friday evening (January 4th) gives you a good look at it. I think everyone should watch this program. It runs about half an hour, but it's well worth spending the time to watch the whole thing. But it might be a good idea to have an airsick bag handy!

Click HERE, then wait for a moment or two while it loads.

I think you might find this past Friday's Bill Moyers' Journal interesting as well. Three interviews, Kathleen Hall Jamieson, analyst, and two candidates who seem to have been kicked into the corner by their respective parties, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. This is the January 4th program and may not be on after the next program, but you should be able to go to "ARCHIVES" and pull up the Jan. 4th program.    HERE

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 02:01 PM

Super

Now is second only to Frontline as the best docu news in America.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 03:49 PM

Wouldn't most ofthe people who'd lap up that kind of stuff be pretty likely to be voting against any Democrat in any case?

And dirty tricks can backfire, with decent people deciding they don't want to associate with that kind of campaigning by tailoring their vote in the way the dirty trick merchants want them to.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 04:22 PM

McGrath, a lot of "undecideds" and independents were put off by the Swiftboat lies about Kerry and ended up either voting for Bushy or not voting at all. It isn't necessary to get potential voters to switch - it is enough to simply persuade them to stay home on election day.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 04:42 PM

Limbaugh's ignorance is monumental. Most African-Americans have caucasion ancestry in their background. In some African countries, they would be considered to be "white".

O is not a Muslim but a declared Christian. Nixon's father was a Quaker but did that make Nixon one? I think not. Hillary's father was a rib-rocked Republican, Hugh Rodham.
Some may argue that Hillary is one too but she has registered Democratic.

Isn't it weird that the Crusades are still being fought?

Obama has a lot of charisma and this seems to be the most propelling aspect of his campaign. He is vague on many issues and seems to be beholden to certain branches of the Health Care Industry lobbyists and one lobbyist of the Nuclear Industry. His campaign unlike Kucinich or Edwards is funded by corporate lobbyists as well as private donors.
I think the 527's control him as well as Hillary and the Union 527's run Edwards race.

He preaches hope and inclusion but doesn't address the issues that divide the country.
There are ideological differences that may take many years to take apart.
I don't think he comes out very well on campaign finance reform.

He is not clear on a time-table on Iraq, either. Dennis says "get out now!"

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 05:08 PM

"Get out now" is an appealing statement, but somewhat disingenuous. It took us over two years to disengage and get out of Vietnam, and we only did so by dumping most of the military equipment into the South China Sea (I was there and saw it). Much of what the US military currently has in the way of tactical equipment is in Iraq and will have to be brought home or moved to a nearby, allegedly friendly, nation. One estimate that I've seen said that it would take nearly six months of effectively round-the-clock airlifts to simply bring the troops back. I haven't run the numbers, so I can't say if that's accurate or not.

Bushy got us into this mess, and is leaving it up to his successor to get us out. Nice guy, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 05:21 PM

Listen, ya' all...

Yeah, there will be a number or fringe radical right wing groups that are going to try to bash Obame for this or that...

Rigs got an email today bashing Obama's church...

This election is going to be differenet because, where these thing might have worked in the past, I think the average voter has had just about enough of Swiftboating... They certainly have had enough of the Rush Limbaugh's of the world... Might of fact they have had enough of radicals, be they on the left or the right...

So, and you heard it here first, the more Obama bashing that the right can do the better Obama's chances of winning in Novemeber... I know this flies in the face of "conventional wisdom" but "convwentional wisdom" has gotten us the likes of George Bush and that is why the voters will be very leary of negative ads this time around...

Obama/Richardson in '08!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 05:45 PM

Obama/Richardson? As a citizen of the great state of New Mexico - please!!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 05:57 PM

Hey,

I'm sitting over here in the Uk watching what's going on on your side of the water and I feel a thrill of optimism.

I feel proud of all you ordinary intelligent American folk who are backing Obama.

He wouldn't be doing so well without the support of individuals, and individuals have to ultimately make their minds up on their own on voting day.

If you see this through and put him in thhe bloody white house, you will solve all your foreign mistrust issues in one fell swoop.

You will completely explode the myth that white america refuses at all costs to share power with it's black brethren and that America is all about subjugation of "others".

More importantly, you will prove that America has the intelligence and wisdom that Obama espouses and represents.

We (the rest of the world - ably represented in it's entirety by me) couldn't believe that you gave Bush a second term - we couldn't believe you gave him a first term but hey - mistakes happen (as you can see from the grammatical and other errors on this page)

Anyway, point is, your doing the right thing. Give this guy the job. The world is behind you on this one!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:12 PM

Not so much a myth that needs exploding, more of a reality that is changing, but still has some way to go before it is reduced to being a myth.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mg
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 12:32 AM

I read something that said he was our Princess Diana. Good analogy. Sorry he lost today but there is still tomorrow. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:39 PM

He didn't lose by much.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:41 PM

No, but the polls had him 13 points ahead. I wonder how they could have been so wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:43 PM

He did not lose, in any large sense, in that he has as many delegates to the DNC as she does; and starting with Nevada there is a string of primary elections ahead which are more liberal states than New Hampshire.

It was an unexpected turn, but it has not defined the race in my opinion.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:49 PM

No, I wouldn't think it defines the race, but it certainly extended it.

                   But it's not just "liberal" states. South Carolina will be a conservative state, but a majority of the Democrats are black. So if they swing to Obama, he could score well there too.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:56 PM

Perhaps the polls were off because a lot of younger people favor Obama, but then they don't actually vote. Voting is always more sparse among younger people for some reason, although I certainly voted consistently when I was young. I guess a lot of my friends at the time didn't, probably because they were a lot more interested in the social stuff they were doing (dating, partying, music, friends, etc.) than they were in the political process.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:22 PM

Virginia: McCain 49% Clinton 38%
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Virginia voters shows Senator John McCain enjoying advantages over both Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama. McCain leads Clinton 49% to 38% and Obama 45% to 43%.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 03:24 PM

Obama Is 'Intangible, Elastic, Hollow' (DER SPIEGEL on January, 8th)

Newspapers from right to left in Germany have similar objections to Obama

...now he is enchanting the public with a canned speech that offers everything apart from the most important thing: political substance...
Promises of salvation can't be renewed every eight years. Instead what is needed is a period of political stability, a moment of de-emotionalization....

Not my opinion, but interesting to read.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 03:57 PM

Kathleen Parker said the same thing in her column today!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 04:33 PM

I think that the most relevant comment was made by Edwards: something like, "remember that only about 1% of Americans have had a chance to vote on their candidate so far". The mystique of Iowa and New Hampshire notwithstanding, it is early times yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 04:43 PM

Maybe if he changed his last name to Obama-rama-lama-ding-dong he could pick up even more youth votes.......or baby boomers......or neither................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 07:11 PM

Some Mudcatters may be interested in reading this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/9/165437/3750/368/433885
I Had Lunch with Barack Obama Today!
by The Angry Democrat
Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:57:22 PM PST

"I had an intimate lunch today with Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, Presidential hopeful Barack Obama...and about 400 of his closest friends. Come read what Barack had to say on the heels of the NH Primary.

Barack Obama held a private fundraiser in downtown Boston this afternoon. My rough math is that he raised between $250K to $500K from the event, not bad for a few hours work. Some random observations and thoughts. (I don't have a perfect memory, so I will be paraphrasing what Barack said).

5. ...About his "loss" in New Hampshire - He was in a sense pleased and relieved by it. To keep it all in perspective, he pointed out that Iowa was less than a week ago, and that 2 weeks ago a 3 point loss to Hilary in NH would have been considered a good performance for him. So, don't believe the polls, the pundits etc. He also said he started to feel like Icarus, got a little too close to the sun and now it was time to come back to earth. He also said it is just as well that he came back down to earth now rather than later. Finally, he said this was bound to happen because making the type of change he represents is never easy, and there are entrenched interests who will always resist that type of change."

-snip-

Obama lost New Hampshire by 3 percentage points-just 3.

Here's his New Hampshire concession speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_lQYC7vqBg

This speech may be even better than his Iowa caucas victory speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 07:28 PM

"...Because they know int heir hearts, that this time must be different."

This guy is a public thinker and orator of class, unlike any seen in decades.

Compared to Wee-Willie Bush he is a bright comet compared to a punk smokestick. He deserves all the help he can be given.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 07:37 PM

This man is absolutely amazing -- if you have not seen the link Azizi posted up thread, take the time to watch him in action.

:"Yes, we can!!!!!"


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 07:39 PM

Here's a link to the text of Senator Barack Obama's New Hampshire speech:

http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2008/01/barack-obamas-speech-in-new-hampshire.html

**

I predict that this will be called Obama's "Yes We Can" speech because of this portion:


"...We know the battle ahead will be long, but always remember that no matter what obstacles stand in our way, nothing can withstand the power of millions of voices calling for change. We have been told we cannot do this by a chorus of cynics who will only grow louder and more dissonant in the weeks to come.

We've been asked to pause for a reality check. We've been warned against offering the people of this nation false hope.

But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope. For when we have faced down impossible odds; when we've been told that we're not ready, or that we shouldn't try, or that we can't, generations of Americans have responded with a simple creed that sums up the spirit of a people.

Yes we can.

It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.

Yes we can.

It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom through the darkest of nights.

Yes we can.

It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.

Yes we can.

It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballot; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.

Yes we can to justice and equality. Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity. Yes we can heal this nation. Yes we can repair this world. Yes we can.

And so tomorrow, as we take this campaign South and West; as we learn that the struggles of the textile worker in Spartanburg are not so different than the plight of the dishwasher in Las Vegas; that the hopes of the little girl who goes to a crumbling school in Dillon are the same as the dreams of the boy who learns on the streets of LA; we will remember that there is something happening in America; that we are not as divided as our politics suggests; that we are one people; we are one nation; and together, we will begin the next great chapter in America's story with three words that will ring from coast to coast; from sea to shining sea – Yes. We. Can."

-snip-

It was interesting to see the way the audience not only chanted the phrase "Yes We Can" but echoed that phrase after Senator Obama stated it. This call & response pattern is very characteristic of Black churches. Such an approach helped to unify the audience and get them "fired up" when they probably were feeling low because of the campaign's loss. It was truly masterful!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 07:45 PM

As a matter of information, I read that Barack Obama has used the phrase "Yes We Can" in his campaign since 2004.

Also, "Sí, Se Puede" (Yes, We Can) is a popular rallying cry of Latino activists.

And there's a whole lot of Latinos/Latinas in Nevada.

That's another reason why this chant is masterful.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 08:07 PM

Well, as for McCain taking Virginia over a Dem... Yeah, if one were to take a poll with jus' that question then I'm sure that those mubers would be close to being accurate...

Problem is...

...Mark Warner, who BTW I will be lunching with tomorrow with a number of established Dems in Page County, Va.... Mark Warner, unless he is chosen as a running mate of the Dem nominee, will be running for John Warner's Senate seat and Mark Warner is the most popular ex-governor that Virginia has ever had...

Waht this mean is that those polls can be thrown out the window 'cause Mark Warner will carry the Dem. presidentail candidate along on his coat-tails... Unless Deenis wins, that is... Mark won't be able to get Dennis over the line here in Vuirginia...

But Obama, Clinton and especially Edwards will get Virginia electorial votes... Virginia has had enough of Repubs for now, thank you...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mg
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 12:42 AM

We must have Michelle Obama as first lady. A few days ago she took on the Mean Girls who are terrorizing other girls and boys in junior highs and high schools throughout this land. Hooray for her. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 08:58 AM

Stop the presses!!! Get Ripley on the phone...

Yup, me agreein with mg twice in one week is fodder for "Ripley's Beleive it or Not", fir sure...

Yeah, Michelle Obama is one tough cookie...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 11:15 AM

CHARLESTON, S.C. – Senator John Kerry is set to endorse the presidential candidacy of Senator Barack Obama at a rally here today, the first of several high-profile Democrats expected to announce their support for Mr. Obama in his fight to win the party's nomination.
Mr. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who was the party's presidential nominee in 2004, will argue that Mr. Obama represents the best prospect for uniting a divided country, aides to both men said, as well as transforming America's image around the world.
The endorsement is weeks in the making.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 01:16 PM

The endorsement is weeks in the making. How can an endorsement be "weeks in the making"?

I suppose it means he took an awfully long time making his mind up about it. Not something to boast of, from Kerry's point of view or Obama's.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jan 08 - 01:56 PM

Does that mean John Edwards knows how it feels to have John Kerry for a swift boat captain?