BS: Popular Views on Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:09 AM

Very mature Amos.

Tee Hee!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:00 PM

"Will you support Obama in the fall if he is the Democratic nominee--yes or no?"


                  Ron - This is a hard question to answer. First we had the Jeremia Wright thing, then we had Obama announcing that he intended to keep the Office of Faith Based Initiatives open. We just went through 8 years of a president having god telling him what to do through one mouthpiece or another. I just think it's time for change.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:05 PM

"FOX's objective in this presidential race has been painfully clear to us for a while. They have been carpet bombing Barack Obama with negative stories, distortions, and smears in the run up to tomorrow's Pennsylvania primary in an attempt to skew the outcome. But how could FOX have guessed that the "liberal" media would be such willing accomplices?

We bring to you our latest episode of the gameshow sensation sweeping the nation: THE FOX IS WRONG: OBAMA!

Watch the video:

http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/20423909/36370?utm_source=rgemail

While the FOXification of the mainstream media is a serious matter, we've used humor here to get our message across more effectively. Play along as FOX guests and personalities distort and misrepresent the statements of Obama and those around him, only to have that pesky "liberal" media pick up the smears and keep on running! For the finale, watch in wonder and amazement as ABC's George Stephanopoulos allows Sean Hannity to spoon-feed him a question on Hannity's radio show, then parrots it almost word-for-word a day later during ABC's infamous Democratic debate in Pennsylvania!

If you haven't yet, sign the petition and demand that the media stop spreading the FOX virus. Then send the petition and the video far and wide to all your friends and colleagues. We need to get our message across faster than the media can spread FOX's lies.

Sign the petition: http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/20423909/32376?utm_source=rgemail

For an added bonus, check out our last video to see what nine minutes of FOX on Obama looks like (don't worry, the video is just 54 seconds). There you can get a small taste of FOX's strategy to saturate their viewers with as many negative Obama stories as a cable line can carry - FOX spews more Obama smears in nine minutes than most networks deliver all day! And remember, this is just a summary of NINE MINUTES on FOX - there are 1,440 minutes every day...

Nine minutes of FOX on Obama:

http://foxattacks.com/blog/35789-fox-news-more-smears-in-9-minutes-than-most-media-deliver-all-day?utm_source=rgemail"

(Brave New Films)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 08:16 PM

Thomas Explains Switch From Clinton to Obama
Harry Thomas Jr. told the D.C. Wire yesterday that he decided to throw his "superdelegate" support behind Barack Obama last week to honor the "will of his constituents."

Thomas, the council member for Ward 5, had gotten the pot boiling in the District when, after winning a superdelegate seat to the Democratic Convention by just two votes, he announced he was not sure whom he would be supporting, Obama or Clinton. Thomas had declared himself a Clinton supporter early on.

Being an unpledged superdelegate of course put Thomas in the spotlight and he was flooded with calls and emails from District residents, where Obama had soundly defeated Clinton in the District primary.

Thomas also got some primetime with the candidates themselves. He said he spoke with Obama

the week before the Philadelphia debate and with Clinton on the morning of the debate. That's when he told her of his decision.

"She was understanding about it," Thomas told the Wire. His family, he said, had been longtime Clinton supporters. "My father and mother were delegates for Clinton when he first ran, and our family supported her when she ran for senate. There's a lot of history there."

But Thomas said he told the former first lady that he could not go against the will of his constituents. He went public with his decision at a debate watch party.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 10:18 PM

Well, Rig--it sounds like we may be approaching a meeting of the minds. If you've noticed, change is exactly what we Obama supporters are advocating. And with Hillary you will in fact not get change--especially with the #1 lobbyist in the world, Bill, sharing Hillary's bed in the White House. Where do you think the $109 million the Clintons have made since 2000 came from--Bill's great speeches? The US will be on sale to the highest bidder--with the slickest salesman in the country offering the deals.

By the way, news on the guilt by association front. I know you Hillary supporters like to flog Obama for alleged connections to Farrakhan. I'm afraid you'll have to strike Farrakhan off your list of sins Obama has committed--unless you're also willing to accept that one of Hillary's strongest supporter in PA, Gov Rendell, has praised Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam to the skies---You Tube footage of a rally in 1997.

Perhaps somebody can link to this footage.

That's the problem with your guilt-by-association approach--it's a 2 way street.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 10:42 PM

Ron - I have never said anything about Louis Farrakhan. If I had had to walk in his shoes, I would probably look at things much in the same way he sees them.

                        As a logger in Oregon, I walked in calked boots with 16 inch tops and had my ass mashed by falling trees. I look at the world from a very different point of view than that of Louis Farrakan.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:35 PM

Rig--

You say you've never attacked Obama on the basis of connection with Farrakhan. Whatever you say, (though I could have sworn I've seen posts from you do just that). At any rate, we'll hold you to it, you can bet.

And just why do you think Hillary would bring change, when she's not only given to brilliant observations like "lobbyists are people too", but is also, as I've noted, married to the world's #1 lobbyist?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 10:33 AM

Ron - You might have seen posts connecting Obama to Farrakhan, but they weren't my posts.

                Frankly, I think the most important thing is to get superstition out of government. Obama said he wants to leave the Office of Faith Based Initiatives open. I think that's the worst thing any president can do. But in his case, we would probably end up shipping millions and millions of tax payer's dollars off to wiered-out buffoons like Reverend Wright.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 11:57 AM

Thanks for the link, Amos. I have written and signed a statement.

I don't watch FOX NEWS so those excerpts from their various 'news casts' are shocking.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 03:46 PM

The Philly Enquirer endorses Obama:

"Editorial: In Support of Barack Obama
Inspiring vision

The Democratic presidential primary Tuesday presents Pennsylvania voters with a choice that is more about style than substance.
On the issues, there's scant difference between Sens. Barack Obama of Illinois and Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. The biggest difference comes down to their styles of leadership.

Obama wants to bring about change by inspiring people to accept his vision of social justice. Clinton bills herself as the more competent leader, who knows how to effect change incrementally, due largely to her extensive government experience.

The Inquirer Editorial Board endorsed Obama before New Jersey's primary Feb. 5. Since then, the race has focused less on the subtle distinctions in the candidates' policy proposals and more on personal attacks. Before Pennsylvanians head to the polls, it's time to restate our support for BARACK OBAMA.

The 46-year-old Obama offers the better chance of rising above the partisan rancor in Washington to achieve bipartisan goals. After eight years of George W. Bush's my-way-or-the-highway rule, Obama could become the uniter that Bush never was. His campaign has attracted people of all backgrounds and political persuasions.

Throughout his career as a community organizer and state legislator and senator, Obama has pursued justice for working-class people. The recent charge that he's an elitist doesn't wash, in light of his background and his life's work.

Opponents argue that Obama isn't ready to be president. Compared with Clinton and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, Obama has the least amount of Washington experience. But that is likely one reason he's winning over so many voters. People crave change.

And Obama has demonstrated the resilience to bounce back from challenges in this long campaign. His speech in Philadelphia on race relations quelled the immediate political furor over his former pastor's anti-white rhetoric.

But Obama's address did more than serve his own political needs. It called on blacks and whites to consider each other's legitimate motives, and to move beyond conflicting perspectives. Turning a tempest into an opportunity for national reflection and action is a sign of leadership.
...
"

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 10:15 PM

It's interesting that the people who changed registration from Repuplican to Democrat voted in larger numbers for Obama. Is that what Rush was telling them to do?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 01:08 AM

He wasn't telling them to change to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 02:35 AM

Hillary won all of the places that Bush won the last time.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 06:35 AM

Will the Democrats Commit Political Suicide? (mind: the German journalist never liked Obama and was wrong in most of his predictions about the primaries)

How Iran Sees the US Primaries (article from TIME)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 08:41 PM

Wolfgang, I realized you point this out, but I have to restate that the article you posted "Will the Democrats Commit Political Suicide?" was exceptionally poorly written.

The main premise seems to me that Obama can't win because independent and undecided voters didn't vote for him in Pennsylvania. Of course we know that that would have been a hard bar to cross because they were not allowed to vote in Pennsylvania.

I think that Obama does have something to celebrate because, in spite of the pounding he took, he still closed by ten points in the polls.

Gabor Steingart also doesn't seem to be taking the opponents into account.
Hillary's social policies are about at the same level as Obama's and both will do a lot more to stimulate the economy with less debt than McCains plan of continued expensive policing of Iraq combine with tax cuts for the wealthy.

George W. Bush, had no landslide, he squeaked a victory, 300,000 votes in Ohio was the margin. and now 70% of the country is against the war and 82 percent say the country is on the wrong track.

Hillary has not expressed caution about the war, she has gone promise for promise with Obama.

It is idiotic to say that Obama is the party favorite. He won favor by winning but Hillary is the penultimate Democratic party insider next to her husband.

Gabor Steingart is twisting and torturing the facts to fit his preconceptions. It is refreshing to see that so many US journalists are not alone in this trait.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 09:04 PM

I just wrote a note with similar points to Spiegel Online.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 09:35 PM

"I think that Obama does have something to celebrate because, in spite of the pounding he took, he still closed by ten points in the polls."


                      He out spent her 2:1 in Pennsylvania, and 5:1 in Wisconsin. Has anybody looked into who the management of Moveon.org is really working for?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 08 - 10:29 PM

I don't think that they have looked into the mosquito population of Guam either.

Obama is spending donations to him. Moveon does its own thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 08:22 AM

And Moveon's thing is rounding up donations to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 03:31 PM

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Oregon Rep. David Wu, one of Oregon's 12 Democratic superdelegates, announced Thursday that he'd back Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, citing Obama's stand against the Iraq war "from the very beginning."
Wu joins Oregon Rep. Earl Blumenauer in backing Obama. Gov. Ted Kulongoski and Rep. Darlene Hooley are supporting New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. The rest of Oregon's superdelegates have not yet announced their choice.

"We need new policies both at home and abroad," Wu said in a statement. "Like Americans, the international community wants to see real change in America and I believe that Senator Obama embodies that change."

The endorsement is an important win for Obama in one of the few states still to vote. Oregon's primary ballots are counted on May 20.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 04:45 PM

>>And Moveon's thing is rounding up donations to him.<<

I get at least 2 emails a day from them. I've never once been asked by them for money for Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 05:39 PM

This is the lead it to the Moveon.org web-site.

    "Vote on Obama ads. More than 1100 funny, inspiring, and amazingly creative ads were submitted for the Obama in 30 Seconds contest. Now, you can help choose which one gets aired on national television."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 11:24 PM

Winning in November: Colorado
by Christopher HassThursday, April 24, 2008 at 02:01 PM
One of the advantages of this long primary process (fourteen months and counting) has been the opportunity it's provided for us to campaign and organize in all fifty states. In cities and towns across America we've seen record voter registration and participation, with many people finding their way to the political process for the first time. The end result: a radically altered electoral map that gives us the opportunity to compete across the country in November, in swing states and "red states" as well as "blue states."

Once case in point: Colorado.

In 2004, George W. Bush won the state of Colorado by less than 100,000 votes. Last winter, our grassroots supporters in the state spent months organizing, helped out at the end by field staff, multiple offices, and Barack himself. On February 5th Barack won the Colorado caucuses by a overwhelming margin, defeating Hillary Clinton 67% to 32%.

Two and a half months later, a recent Rassmussen poll shows that against Hillary Clinton, John McCain would easily carry the state right now, leading 50% to 36%. But in a head to head match-up, Barack leads McCain 46% to 43%, flipping the state and its nine electoral votes.

It's a pattern that we've seen repeat itself in states like Iowa, Oregon, Minnesota, Washington, Wisconsin and more.

And our grassroots networks that are still at work, still organizing and still contributing, helping lay the groundwork for the general election against John McCain in November.

Visit CO.BarackObama.com to find active grassroots groups and ongoing event in Colorado.

(From an individual Blog)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 11:48 PM

I think that McCain will have to spend money here and in Georgia to keep from losing them. The regular Democrats, plus a higher percentage of Blacks plus the new voters and organization Barrack has engender will make a difference.

Ad that to the fiscal and Evangelical conservatives staying home....

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:46 PM

"The torrent of speculation about the end game of the Democratic nomination contest is creating a false sense of suspense - and wasting a lot of time of the multitudes who are anxious to know how this contest is going to turn out.

Notwithstanding the plentiful commentary to the effect that the Pennsylvania primary must have shaken superdelegates planning to support Barack Obama, causing them to rethink their position, key Democrats on Capitol Hill are unbudged.

"I don't think anyone's shaken," a leading House Democrat told me. The critical mass of Democratic congressmen that has been prepared to endorse Obama when the timing seemed right remains prepared to do so. Their reasons, ones they have held for months, have not changed - and by their very nature are unlikely to. ..."


(Huffington)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:55 PM

Total delegate count to date, inckluding Pennsylvania:

1,724 Barack Obama
        
1,589 Hillary Clinton

Needed to win: 2,025

Pennyslvania primary: 83 delegates for Clinton; 73 delegates for Obama.

Not exactly an earthshattering result.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:02 PM

Yes, McGrath with 158 delegates the worst possible final outcome would be 85-73. If Obama wins NC By 10 and he will get most of the delegates back and 3/4 the popular vote, if he wins by 15 he'll get it all back.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:09 PM

Hopefully, the NC Republicans with their Wright Ad Scam will be able to keep that from happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:20 PM

Rig:

You say "hopefully" as though you think Republicans thwarting Obama's nomination would be a good thing for the country.

Is that what you actually believe?

Enquiring minds want to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:46 PM

Well, that's not what I really think, but I'm still holding out for Hillary.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 04:00 PM

I appreciate that, Rig, and I respect it.

But I have to tell you that when you say things like that, it really makes the hair on the back of my head stand up, and I wonder what kind of third-degree maroon I am dealing with. I am sure you do this for a laugh, but I would appreciate it if you would shift over to representing yoru real beliefs a little more rigorously so I don't get shocked by your sense of, um, humor!! :D


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 04:08 PM

I didn't actually do it for a laugh. I simply want to see Hillary get the nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:08 PM

There is a difference between Mrs. Clinton earning the nomination and having her destroy Obama, and the democratic party with the help of Republican dirty tricks.

As I have said before I'm tired of died in the wool republican commentators cheering her on.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:16 PM

Well, I sympathize, but I do not believe your wish is going to be fulfilled this year. Perhaps in 8 years, when she is John McCain's age?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:21 PM

April 25, 2008
Major Clinton fundraiser switches to Obama
Posted: 05:00 PM ET

Clinton lost a big fundraiser to Obama.

(CNN) Ñ A ÒHillraiserÓ Ð a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton Ð said Friday he had defected to Barack ObamaÕs campaign. The official announcement will be made next week.

Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon Ð who served as ambassador to Chile during the Clinton administration Ð had raised close to half a million dollars for ClintonÕs campaign, reports Chuck Todd, who broke the story.

"We're just bleeding each other out," Guerra-Mondragon told the Washington Post. "Looking at it as coldly as I can, I just don't see how Senator Clinton can overcome Senator Obama with delegates and popular votes. I want this fight to be over, the quicker the better."

He added that leaving the Clinton campaign for Obama's "was a very, very difficult decision for me to make. I am an old and longtime friend of Senator Clinton. And I continue to think she is a fantastic and formidable person. But I am first of all a Democrat." (CNN)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:24 PM

How come is Chuck Todd being quoted by the best political team on television?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:35 PM

"Perhaps in 8 years, when she is John McCain's age?"


                  Do you really think somebody that age should be president?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Alice
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 07:00 PM

Obama's television ads are starting to air here in Montana now. They are very positive, talking about his ability to work with both Democrats and Republicans in the senate.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 09:40 PM

Rig--


As usual, you don't seem to have been paying attention. If you hope to get "superstition" (i.e. religion) out of public life, Hillary is not your girl. She has talked quite a bit of how important faith is in her life. She's not even likely to remove the chaplain from Congressional sessions, much less anything more significant.

She believes in separation of church and state; so, emphatically, does Obama.

If desire to keep church and state separate is your stated basis for preferring her over him, you are either ignorant of the facts, or being devious--refusing to say your real reason for opposing him.

It's still fascinating how your main opponents seem to have either brown skin ( the alleged terrible danger of the Mexican invasion) or black skin.

And you still have not given a clear statement, which should follow based on your alleged opposition to McCain, that when--not if--Obama is picked as the Democratic nominee, you will support him.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 10:39 PM

"It's still fascinating how your main opponents seem to have either brown skin ( the alleged terrible danger of the Mexican invasion) or black skin."

                      Well, Ron, if you take into consideration the reality that the Latinos and people with African heritage in America seem to have become bitter enemies, I guess if you sided with one, you'd automatically be against the other.

                      So which side are you on?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Apr 08 - 10:59 PM

Rig--

Your question-dodging skills are truly legendary. When Obama is picked as Democratic nominee, will you support him or not?

Your posting is, not to put too fine a point on it, total drivel--especially since you, from all indications, are against both Latinos and blacks. So your question is meaningless--unsurprisingly.

So will you support Obama or not?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 01:22 AM

Has the story of her tight link to The Family been rebutted? If not, she may not believe as firmly in separation of Church and State as she asserts. Anyone really know the truth of the matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 11:16 AM

"the story of her tight link to The Family"; apparently I've totally missed whatever that is about. Reference?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 11:26 AM

One reference re Hillary and the "Family" cult, from Mother Jones.



Another, from "The Nation" which references the Mother Jones piece.

Excerpt:

"There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.


You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposŽ The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

Sean Hannity has called Obama's church a "cult," but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton's "Family," which is organized into "cells"--their term--and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, Sharlet joined The Family's home for young men, forswearing sex, drugs and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners--alone."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 12:17 PM

An excellent rebuttal on the Wright flap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 05:50 PM

Here's the same interview with Father Michael Pfleger on YouTube. Very eloquent.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 08:37 PM

Father Pfleger: good man.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Serenity
Date: 26 Apr 08 - 09:25 PM

The story about Clinton and the so-called Fellowship is a weak one at best. To claim she is part of a secret elitist ruler religious cult for participating in the National Prayer Breakfast with the rest of the Congress, is a bit of stretch.

From Chronicle of Higher Ed:

April 4, 2008
Questions About Hillary Clinton's Religious Ties Put College's Archives in the Spotlight

A series of recent news reports examining Hillary Clinton's connections to a secretive religious group are drawing attention to the archives of a small Christian college in Illinois.

The Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College keeps in its archives more than 50 years worth of records from the Fellowship, a Christian organization that has played a role in Washington politics since the 1940s. While best known for organizing the National Prayer Breakfast, the group also has played a significant behind-the-scenes role in national and international politics, advising and bringing together many members of Congress and world leaders, most with decidedly conservative leanings.

Outside interest in the Fellowship—also known as "the Family"—has surged over the past year as Mother Jones, The Nation, The Atlantic, and, most recently, NBC News have published or aired pieces examining Hillary Clinton's ties with the group.

Jeff Sharlet, a former Chronicle of Higher Education reporter and an associate research scholar at the NYU Center for Religion and Media, infiltrated the Fellowship for a March 2003 Harper's Magazine article and is the author of a soon-to-be-released book on the group, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power (HarperCollins, 2008). In an interview this week, he said Mrs. Clinton is not formally considered a member of the group, but she has attended its prayer meetings since 1993 and has turned to its leader, Douglas Coe, for spiritual advice. "Her connections are strong enough that, through the Family, powerful conservative activists were able to go through back channels to her," Mr. Sharlet said.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 01:28 AM

>>The story about Clinton and the so-called Fellowship is a weak one at best. <<


>>"Her connections are strong enough that, through the Family, powerful conservative activists were able to go through back channels to her," Mr. Sharlet said.<<

Enough said?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 12:04 PM

If anyone with the spite of Fox gets this story out on national channels with enough bzazz behind it, it would outshine the Wright flap by an order of magnitude.


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