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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:07 PM

LOL--bugger!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:12 PM

Many of those police officers had missing family whom they knew were not getting the help they needed. Maybe they didn't want to end up like that man from Jefferson Parrish who will have to live the rest of his life knowing that he allowed his mother to drown while telling her every day that help was on the way, because he was busy doing the job that the federal government was supposed to be doing, instead of saving his mother's life.

And you don't know how long those first responders worked their asses off with no outside help before they quit. And that's what makes you comments idiotic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:28 PM

Sustained adrenaline and work, sweat and tension is brutal. I was in tears thinking about the firefighters who were dealing with chemical plants and trying to control those fires. Six hours will drop the strongest guy or gal. They were at it for days. If you get the chance when the immediate emergency is over, speak with the front-line people: medics, SAR folks, cops. The aftermath of disaster is REALLY hard to deal with. One beat up and dead child is tough to see. Scores is a nightmare--and the nightmare doesn't go away when ya wake up. First responders often become victims of the tragedies after the disaster is over. I understand that a few cops and firefighters killed themselves as a result of trying to do the job and having no support, no help, no hope that help was coming. I don't like it, but I do understand. There will be lots of folks who will need critical incident stress debriefing, and lots of others who will need psychiatric help. Post traumatic stress disorder--it's not only war vets who get it. In fact, if any vets are presently in the disaster zone they are likely reliving scenes they went through before. They'll get the job done, but the nation will owe them all not only its gratitude, but also its help. I hope they are not forgotten when Bush scrambles to offload responsibility and FEMA looks for scapegoats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Azizi
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:36 PM

And apart from the lives that could have been saved, the failure to help those New Orleans first responders is another reasons why it is so criminal that it has been widely reported that for some time FEMA not only didn't accept offers of help from American and international teams who are trained but also actually turned trained volunteers away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Azizi
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:39 PM

To any English teachers out there- I caught my error.

Correction-the criminality is not the wide reporting but what it is reported that FEMA did.

also "reason" and not "reasons"


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:48 PM

Two of those police officers committed suicide. I can only imagine what drove them to do that. I am eternally grateful that I didn't have to experience what they did, first hand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:36 PM

Would death count as a valid reason for not turning up to work?
...................................................

I think maybe Bush should have a new sign to put on his desk. Instead of Truman's "The buck stops here" it would say "Passing the buck starts here". They could call it "The Bush Doctrine"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 08:17 PM

Saw a TV shot of some red neck dickhead with a badge and a gun who called those who left (not knowing whether they had suicided) cowards and that if he saw them again he would shoot them on sight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 08:28 PM

I was referring to Police.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 09:07 PM

Truth is that sometimes people 'break'. I have seen brave men and women crying/shaking because a situation is beyond their ability or the ability of the resources available to them. I have held some of these folks, and some of themn have held me. Shit happens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 09:24 PM

In June of 1944, Dwight Eisenhower wrote a speech (that he luckily never had to use) that said "Our landings have failed and I have withdrawn the troops. My decision to attack at this time and place was based on the best information available. The troops, the air and the Navy did all that bravery could do. If any blame or fault attaches to the attempt it is mine alone."

Following the Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961, John Kennedy publicly stated at a press conference "I made a mistake."

When 241 marines were killed in a truck bombing in Lebanon in 1983, Ronald Reagan said "If there is to be blame, it properly rests here in this office and with this president."

When eight soldiers died attempting to rescue the hostages in Iran in 1980, Jimmy Carter said "It was my decision to attempt the rescue operation. It was my decision to cancel it when problems developed. The responsibility is fully my own."

Although (in my opinion) it should have been between him and his immediate family, in 1998, Bill Clinton apologized to the nation for his sexual infidelity saying "It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible."

Now, have you ever heard anything like this from George W.Bush? Can you even imagine him saying it? Through Enron (et al.) scams, 9/11 lapses, misinformation about WMD in Iraq, the looting of Baghdad, torture at Abu Ghraib, the leak from his office of a covert CIA operative's identity, and now the pitiful federal response to the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, he finds NOTHING that is his responsibility? It was all someone else's fault? (BTW the excuse for the above, in order, are: "it's not the government's business", "who could have guessed they'd fly airplanes into buildings", "everyone else was wrong too", "sh*t happens", "it was a few loose cannons", "no crime has been proven", and "who could have guessed the levees would break"). Come on Bush people. Is it really ALWAYS someone else's fault? None of these involve any mistakes by George W. Bush? If your kids fed you these lines, would you believe THEM? If you had an employee minding your store and incidents constantly happened on their watch, but they had a good excuse every time, would you keep them on?

The quotes at the top are from real presidents. What we have now is a petulant, insecure, self-centered man-child. God help the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 09:27 PM

GUEST,TIA: That is a great post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: pdq
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 10:23 PM

CarolC, brewster's post states:

"New Orleans Police Department Deputy Chief Warren Riley said only about 1,000 of the force's 1,641 officers were accounted for."

Do you think two police officers who were known to have committed suicide should be considered "unaccounted for"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 10:46 PM

Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish in New Orleans, was on
NBC's Meet the Press on Sunday, September 4, 2005. He gave a scathing
assessment of how our government has failed us in the wake of
Hurricane Katrina. But most notably, I was moved by his personal
story of how someone's mother was trapped in a nursing home and
subsequently died:

"The guy who runs this building I'm in, emergency management, he's
responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard
nursing home and every day she called him and said, 'Are you coming,
son? Is somebody coming?' And he said, 'Yeah, Mama, somebody's
coming to get you. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday.
Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get
you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday.' And she
drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night." -- Jefferson Parish
President Broussard

Video clip: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/04.html#a4783

Full Meet the Press transcript (Broussard's comments appear about
halfway down): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9179790/


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 11:00 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/6/132725/8931

Hurricane Katrina-Our Experiences Larry Bradshaw, Lorrie Beth Slonsky

Two days after Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, the Walgreen's   store at the corner of Royal and Iberville streets remained locked. The dairy   display case was clearly visible through the widows. It was now 48 hours without electricity, running water, plumbing. The milk, yogurt, and cheeses were beginning to spoil in the 90-degree heat. The owners and managers had locked up the food, water, pampers, and prescriptions and fled the City. Outside Walgreen's windows, residents and tourists grew increasingly thirsty and hungry.

The much-promised federal, state and local aid never materialized and   the windows at Walgreen's gave way to the looters. There was an   alternative. The cops could have broken one small window and distributed the nuts, fruit juices, and bottle water in an organized and systematic manner. But they did   not.

Instead they spent hours playing cat and mouse, temporarily chasing   away the looters.

We were finally airlifted out of New Orleans two days ago and arrived   home yesterday (Saturday). We have yet to see any of the TV coverage or   look at a newspaper. We are willing to guess that there were no video images or front-page pictures of European or affluent white tourists looting the Walgreen's in the French Quarter.

We also suspect the media will have been inundated with "hero" images   of the National Guard, the troops and the police struggling to help the   "victims" of the Hurricane. What you will not see, but what we witnessed,were the   real heroes and sheroes of the hurricane relief effort: the working class   of New Orleans. The maintenance workers who used a fork lift to carry the   sick and disabled. The engineers, who rigged, nurtured and kept the generators   running. The electricians who improvised thick extension cords stretching over   blocks to share the little electricity we had in order to free cars stuck on   rooftop parking lots. Nurses who took over for mechanical ventilators and   spent many hours on end manually forcing air into the lungs of unconscious   patients to keep them alive. Doormen who rescued folks stuck in elevators.   Refinery workers who broke into boat yards, "stealing" boats to rescue their neighbors   clinging to their roofs in flood waters. Mechanics who helped hot-wire any car   that could be found to ferry people out of the City. And the food service   workers who scoured the commercial kitchens improvising communal meals for   hundreds of those stranded.
Most of these workers had lost their homes, and had not heard from   members of their families, yet they stayed and provided the only infrastructure   for the 20% of New Orleans that was not under water.

On Day 2, there were approximately 500 of us left in the hotels in   the French Quarter. We were a mix of foreign tourists, conference attendees like ourselves, and locals who had checked into hotels for safety and   shelter from Katrina. Some of us had cell phone contact with family and friends   outside of New Orleans. We were repeatedly told that all sorts of resources   including the National Guard and scores of buses were pouring in to the City. The   buses and the other resources must have been invisible because none of us had   seen them. We decided we had to save ourselves. So we pooled our money and came   up with $25,000 to have ten buses come and take us out of the City. Those who   did not have the requisite $45.00 for a ticket were subsidized by those who   did have extra money. We waited for 48 hours for the buses, spending the last   12 hours standing outside, sharing the limited water, food, and clothes we   had. We created a priority boarding area for the sick, elderly and new born   babies. We waited late into the night for the "imminent" arrival of the buses.   The buses never arrived. We later learned that the minute the arrived to the   City limits, they were commandeered by the military.

By day 4 our hotels had run out of fuel and water. Sanitation was   dangerously abysmal. As the desperation and despair increased, street crime as   well as water levels began to rise. The hotels turned us out and locked their   doors, telling us that the "officials" told us to report to the convention   center to wait for more buses. As we entered the center of the City, we finally encountered the National Guard. The Guards told us we would not be   allowed into the Superdome as the City's primary shelter had descended into a   humanitarian and health hellhole. The guards further told us that the City's only   other shelter, the Convention Center, was also descending into chaos and   squalor and that the police were not allowing anyone else in. Quite naturally, we   asked, "If we can't go to the only 2 shelters in the City, what was our   alternative?" The guards told us that that was our problem, and no they did not   have extra water to give to us.

This would be the start of our numerous   encounters with callous and hostile "law enforcement".
We walked to the police command center at Harrah's on Canal Street   and were told the same thing, that we were on our own, and no they did not   have water to give us. We now numbered several hundred. We held a mass meeting to   decide a course of action. We agreed to camp outside the police command post.   We would be plainly visible to the media and would constitute a highly visible embarrassment to the City officials. The police told us that we could   not stay. Regardless, we began to settle in and set up camp. In short order,   the police commander came across the street to address our group. He told us he   had a solution: we should walk to the Pontchartrain Expressway and cross   the greater New Orleans Bridge where the police had buses lined up to take us out   of the City. The crowed cheered and began to move. We called everyone back and explained to the commander that there had been lots of misinformation   and wrong information and was he sure that there were buses waiting for us. The   commander turned to the crowd and stated emphatically, "I swear to you that the   buses are there."

We organized ourselves and the 200 of us set off for the bridge with   great excitement and hope. As we marched pasted the convention center, many   locals saw our determined and optimistic group and asked where we were   headed. We told them about the great news. Families immediately grabbed their few   belongings and quickly our numbers doubled and then doubled again. Babies in   strollers now joined us, people using crutches, elderly clasping walkers and others   people in wheelchairs. We marched the 2-3 miles to the freeway and up the steep   incline to the Bridge. It now began to pour down rain, but it did not dampen our enthusiasm. As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line   across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in   various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched   forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told   them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's   assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had   lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as   there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West   Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their   City. These were code words for if you are poor and black, you are not   crossing the Mississippi River and you were not getting out of New Orleans. Our small group retreated back down Highway 90 to seek shelter from   the rain under an overpass. We debated our options and in the end decided to   build an encampment in the middle of the Ponchartrain Expressway on the center   divide, between the O'Keefe and Tchoupitoulas exits. We reasoned we would be   visible to everyone, we would have some security being on an elevated freeway   and we could wait and watch for the arrival of the yet to be seen buses. All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the   same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned   away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be   verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and   prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot. Meanwhile, the only two City   shelters sank further into squalor and disrepair. The only way across the bridge   was by vehicle. We saw workers stealing trucks, buses, moving vans, semi- trucks and any car that could be hotwired. All were packed with people trying to   escape the misery New Orleans had become.

Our little encampment began to blossom. Someone stole a water   delivery truck and brought it up to us. Let's hear it for looting! A mile or so down   the freeway, an army truck lost a couple of pallets of C-rations on a   tight turn. We ferried the food back to our camp in shopping carts. Now secure   with the two necessities, food and water; cooperation, community, and creativity   flowered. We organized a clean up and hung garbage bags from the rebar poles.   We made beds from wood pallets and cardboard. We designated a storm drain as the bathroom and the kids built an elaborate enclosure for privacy out of   plastic, broken umbrellas, and other scraps. We even organized a food   recycling system where individuals could swap out parts of C-rations (applesauce for   babies and candies for kids!).

This was a process we saw repeatedly in the aftermath of Katrina. When individuals had to fight to find food or water, it meant looking out for yourself only. You had to do whatever it took to find water for your   kids or food for your parents. When these basic needs were met, people began   to look out for each other, working together and constructing a community. If the relief organizations had saturated the City with food and   water in the first 2 or 3 days, the desperation, the frustration and the ugliness   would not have set in.

Flush with the necessities, we offered food and water to passing   families and individuals. Many decided to stay and join us. Our encampment grew to   80 or 90 people.

From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media   was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news   organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what   they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The   officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a   sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had an ominous tone to it. Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was   correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his   patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking   freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away   our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our   food and water.

Once again, at gunpoint, we were forced off the freeway. All the law enforcement agencies appeared threatened when we congregated or   congealed into groups of 20 or more. In every congregation of "victims" they saw   "mob" or "riot". We felt safety in numbers. Our "we must stay together" was   impossible because the agencies would force us into small atomized groups. In the pandemonium of having our camp raided and destroyed, we   scattered once again. Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought   refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were   hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding   from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill   policies.

The next days, our group of 8 walked most of the day, made contact   with New Orleans Fire Department and were eventually airlifted out by an urban   search and rescue team. We were dropped off near the airport and managed to   catch a ride with the National Guard. The two young guardsmen apologized for the limited response of the Louisiana guards. They explained that a large   section of their unit was in Iraq and that meant they were shorthanded and   were unable to complete all the tasks they were assigned. We arrived at the airport on the day a massive airlift had begun. The   airport had become another Superdome. We 8 were caught in a press of humanity as flights were delayed for several hours while George Bush landed   briefly at the airport for a photo op. After being evacuated on a coast guard cargo   plane, we arrived in San Antonio, Texas.

There the humiliation and dehumanization of the official relief effort continued. We were placed on buses and driven to a large field where   we were forced to sit for hours and hours. Some of the buses did not have air-conditioners. In the dark, hundreds if us were forced to share   two filthy overflowing porta-potties. Those who managed to make it out with any possessions (often a few belongings in tattered plastic bags) we were   subjected to two different dog-sniffing searches.

Most of us had not eaten all day because our C-rations had been   confiscated at the airport because the rations set off the metal detectors. Yet, no   food had been provided to the men, women, children, elderly, disabled as they   sat for hours waiting to be "medically screened" to make sure we were not   carrying any communicable diseases.

This official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heart-felt   reception given to us by the ordinary Texans. We saw one airline worker give   her shoes to someone who was barefoot. Strangers on the street offered us money and toiletries with words of welcome. Throughout, the official relief   effort was callous, inept, and racist. There was more suffering than need be.   Lives were lost that did not need to be lost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 11:01 PM

clicky to the clip to which Amos refers

Again - listen and your heart will tell you who is speaking truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 11:16 PM

Do you think two police officers who were known to have committed suicide should be considered "unaccounted for"?

No, and I never suggested that they should. But the fact that they committed suicide ought to give you some idea of the kind of stress the first responders were under. And with no outside support.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 09:52 AM

Viewed from outside, the lack of quick (re)action was very surprising. A disaster of a similar dimension would have been handled differently over here (one difference of course: a train can carry more than 2,000 people at a time).

in my perception, the blame of incompetence and unpreparedness rests on all levels of government. A governor of a state that is know to be vulnerable by natural disasters has to be prepared to know what and how to do in such a situation. At least one of her staff has to have the knowledge. If she has to be told what to do she is a failure. As McGrath has said either here or in another thread, preparation and planning has to start much more early than 24 hours before a hurricane.

I have not the slightest idea whether governor Blanco is Dem or Rep, white or coloured, but she and not only Bush alone (but him too) has given a lousy job performance in these days.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,G
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 10:03 AM

Tia, this is an example of what I referred to on another thread. Going to a biased site. Try reading sources left and right and then decide. You are a prime example of what I see here, "Your heart will tell you who is speaking truth".

Think with your head1 It is fact, not feeling that indicates a persons' ability to think and speak truthfully.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 10:11 AM

Tim,

I'm with you 100% for what it's worth. Your heart is just fine. So's yer thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Amos
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 10:15 AM

Guest G:

I think you have some learning ahead, amigo. While it is critical to know the difference between facts, opinions, and fanatasies, it is feeling that enables one to see the whole and penetrate the obscure; these are two faces of the same power.

Thinking without heart leads to very poor decisions, in matters of human life.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,G
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 10:42 AM

I was merely referring to one who said your heart will tell you the truth. A little feeling is always present in decision making but so many here use too much feeling, i.e., reading what they want to hear,
that mmay of the facts are completely ignored.

I challenge you wait for a few weeks and see what the outcome is.
The facts of what happened with responders getting into LA and MS are still being ignored by those who continue to gore the Ox of GWB.

I can think of reasons to gore that Ox but respones time is not one of them. Even the Mayor of NOLA, who did not follow the exacuation plan at the onset has come up with evidence of how the Gonernor of LA failed. Have you talked to anyone from Biloxi?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Metchosin
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 11:16 AM

Amen, Amos. ...... Jesus wept.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 12:06 PM

Guest, G, they're just as pissed off with FEMA in Mississippi as they are in Louisiana. If Bush tries to make Blanco the fall guy for his own disasterous policies, he will be making a big mistake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,G
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 01:32 PM

Okay, who in Biloxi did you talk to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 01:43 PM

The LA governor requested federal aid on AUGUST 27, 2005.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:01 PM

I haven't talked to anyone. But I've seen a LOT of people being interviewed. If the Bush people (with your assistance) try to sweep them under a rug, they will only be shooting themelves in the foot in the long run, because people in Mississippi are upset.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:09 PM

Well, it seems that Bush also thinks the Feds didn't do so well.

Even Georgie thinks things didn't work right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:14 PM

From the Mayor of Hattiesburg, Mississippi...

"FEMA, meanwhile, has refused to release 50 trucks carrying water and ice sitting at Camp Shelby, Mississippi, Hattiesburg Mayor Johnny DuPree said.

'They're sitting down there right now because one person from FEMA won't make the call to say, "Release those trucks,"' he said.

Two-thirds of the residents of the southern Mississippi city have no power, and that figure was 100 percent for three-and-a-half days, he added.

He said FEMA representatives did not arrive in Hattiesburg -- 95 miles from New Orleans -- until Saturday.

'People from all over America have come in to help us," he said. "But the people who get paid to do this haven't done what I think they should have done.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/katrina.blame/?section=cnn_topstories


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From: CarolC
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 11:21 PM

9/1/05

WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.

The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government was not prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism.

The disaster preparedness agency at the center of the relief effort is the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which was enveloped by the new Department of Homeland Security with a new mission aimed at responding to the attacks of al Qaeda.

'What you're seeing is revealing weaknesses in the state, local and federal levels,'' said Eric Tolbert, who until February was FEMA's disaster response chief. ``All three levels have been weakened. They've been weakened by diversion into terrorism.'

In interviews on Wednesday, several men and women who have led relief efforts for dozens of killer hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes over the years chastised current disaster leaders for forgetting the simple Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.

PROUD OF RESPONSE

Bush administration officials said they are proud of their efforts. Their first efforts emphasized rooftop rescues over providing food and water for already safe victims.

'We are extremely pleased with the response . . . every element of the federal government [and] all of our federal partners have made to this terrible tragedy,' Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Wednesday.

The agency has more than 1,700 truckloads of water, meals, tents, generators and other supplies ready to go to the affected areas of the Gulf Coast, Chertoff said. Federal health officials have started setting up at least 40 medical shelters. The Coast Guard reports rescuing more than 1,200 people.

But residents, especially in Biloxi, Miss., said they aren't seeing the promised help, and Knight Ridder reporters said they saw little visible federal relief efforts, other than search-and-rescue teams. Some help started arriving in areas Wednesday by the truckload, but not everywhere.

'We're not getting any help yet,' said Biloxi Fire Department Battalion Chief Joe Boney. ``We need water. We need ice. I've been told it's coming, but we've got people in shelters who haven't had a drink since the storm.'


The slow response to Katrina and poor federal leadership is a replay of 1992's mishandling of Hurricane Andrew in South Florida, said former FEMA chief of staff Jane Bullock, a 22-year veteran of the agency.

Bullock blamed inexperienced federal leadership. She noted that Chertoff and FEMA Director Michael Brown had no disaster experience before they were appointed.

The slowness is all too familiar to Kate Hale. As Miami's disaster chief during Andrew, Hale asked: 'Where the hell's the cavalry?'

'I'm looking at people who are begging for ice and water and [a] presence,'' Hale said Wednesday. ``I'm seeing the same sort of thing that horrified us after Hurricane Andrew. . . . I realize they've got a huge job. Nobody understands better than I do what they're trying to respond to, but . . ..'

CUTS IN FUNDING

Budget cuts haven't made disaster preparedness any easier.

Last year, FEMA spent $250,000 to conduct an eight-day hurricane drill for a mock killer storm hitting New Orleans.

This year, the group was to design a plan to fix such unresolved problems as evacuating sick and injured people from the city's Superdome and housing tens of thousands of stranded citizens.

Funding for that planning was cut, Tolbert said. 'A lot of good was done, but it just wasn't finished.'

FEMA wasn't alone in cutting hurricane spending in New Orleans and the surrounding area.

Federal flood-control spending for southeastern Louisiana has been chopped from $69 million in 2001 to $36.5 million in 2005, according to budget documents.

In 2004, the Army Corps of Engineers essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such stoppage in 37 years, The New Orleans Times-Picayune reported.

The Corps' New Orleans office, facing a $71 million cut, also eliminated funds to pay for a study on how to protect the Crescent City from a Category 5 storm, New Orleans City Business reported in June.

Being prepared for a disaster is basic emergency management, experts say.

'These things need to be planned and prepared for -- it just doesn't look like it was,' said James Lee Witt, a former director of FEMA during the Clinton administration who won bipartisan praise on Capitol Hill during his tenure.

A FEMA spokesman, James McIntyre, blamed the devastation in the region for slowing down relief efforts.

That explanation didn't satisfy Joe Myers, Florida's former emergency management chief.

'I would think that yesterday they could have flown in,' he said. 'Everyone was flying in. Put it this way, Fox [News] and CNN are there. If they can get there . . ..'

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/weather/hurricanes/12529729.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_hurricanes


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 11:31 PM

Hurricane Andrew-Bush 1

Hurricane Katrina-Bush 2

Both Presidents' responses- disasters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: TIA
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 12:42 AM

Look deep down inside yourself Guest G. Do you really truly believe the stuff you are repeating. One of my heros is Richard Feynman (no mushy thinker he) who said "the easiest person to fool is yourself."


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 01:34 AM

"The facts of what happened with responders getting into LA and MS are still being ignored by those who continue to gore the Ox of GWB. "Guest/ G

For some reason this reminds me of what my very proper remember-the-Sabbath-to-keep-it-holy sister said, while we were working hard one Sunday to turn our mother's house inside out and clean it and set it to rights again. Coming back from emptying quart jars of homecanned discolored, out of date peaches into the pig slop, my sister said, as though arguing the point to herself: "Even in the Bible it says that on the Sabbath you should pull your neighbor's ass out of the ditch."

My mother said, mildly: 'That's 'neighbor's ox', honey."

In Dubya's case I think it's an ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 02:12 AM

Relevant bits excerpted from a longer article...


AAN EXCLUSIVE: Disaster in the Making

"Here's a story we ran in Oct. 7, 2004, questioning whether federal policy and budget changes�and homeland security concerns�are trumping protection from natural diasters. We're pulling it back to the top of the site due to Hurricane Katrina...

...Fridays don't get much busier than this. It's the morning of Sept. 3, and Federal Emergency Management Agency headquarters in Washington, D.C., is running at a full clip, having mobilized a cadre of disaster-response specialists in its National Emergency Operations Center the day before. 'This is our 'war room,' a FEMA employee explains.

'Right now we're in 24-hours-a-day activation,' he says. 'It's a double-whammy.' Indeed, the agency is still busy helping Florida recover from Hurricane Charley's punishing winds and rain when satellite images show that an even greater storm, Hurricane Frances, will soon make landfall. It appears so threatening that most of FEMA's personnel on the ground, along with 2.5 million Floridians, have evacuated from the storm's projected path.

Inside the op center, scores of personnel from FEMA and a host of other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, the Coast Guard, the Army Corps of Engineers and the Department of Health and Human Services, buzz around in what appears to be a state of controlled chaos. They work the phones, hover over computer screens and trade the latest weather forecasts. Using a time-tested system of disaster management, they've split their tasks into 12 "emergency support functions" designed to bring in food, water, medical care, electricity, housing, transportation and other desperately needed resources as soon as Frances moves on.

John Crowe, a Department of Homeland Security geospatial-mapping expert detailed to FEMA to help track such outbreaks of rough weather, steps outside the building for a quick cigarette.
'Everybody's really running into gear here,' he says between puffs. 'FEMA's ready, about as ready as they've ever been.'

FEMA's relatively quick response to the hurricanes has thus far won mostly high marks from Florida officials, who remember well a time when the disaster agency seemed the last party to show up after catastrophes. In addition, President Bush has paid multiple visits to assure victims they will get whatever help is needed, and he promptly secured more than $2 billion from Congress to fund Florida's recovery.

As storms continue to batter the Panhandle, no one would call Florida lucky. But with elections just around the corner, the hurricanes could scarcely have hit at a better time or place for obtaining federal disaster assistance. 'They're doing a good job,' one former FEMA executive says of the Bush administration's response efforts. 'And the reason why they're doing that job is because it's so close to the election, and they can't f*ck it up, otherwise they lose Florida�and if they lose Florida, they might lose the election.'

Such political considerations may indeed make this round of recoveries go better than most. But long before this hurricane season, some emergency managers inside and outside of government started sounding an alarm that still rings loudly. Bush administration policy changes and budget cuts, they say, are sapping FEMA's long-term ability to cushion the blow of hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tornados, wildfires and other natural disasters.

Among emergency specialists, 'mitigation'�measures taken in advance to minimize damage caused by natural disasters�is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives and cut recovery costs. But since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been slashed. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property from the next disaster has been cut in half, and now communities across the country must compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars.

As a result, some state and local emergency managers say, it's become more difficult to get the equipment and funds they need to most effectively deal with disasters. In North Carolina, a state regularly damaged by hurricanes and floods, FEMA recently refused the state's request to buy backup generators for emergency support facilities. And the budget cuts have halved the funding for a mitigation program that saved an estimated $8.8 million in recovery costs in three eastern N.C. communities alone after 1999's Hurricane Floyd. In Louisiana, another state vulnerable to hurricanes, requests for flood mitigation funds were rejected by FEMA this summer.

Consequently, the residents of these and other disaster-prone states will find the government less able to help them when help is needed most, and both states and the federal government will be forced to shoulder more costs after disasters strike.

In addition, the White House has pushed for privatization of essential government services, including disaster management, and merged FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security, where natural disaster programs are often sidelined by counter-terrorism programs. Along the way, morale at FEMA has plummeted, and many of the agency's most experienced personnel have left for work in other agencies or private corporations.

In June, Pleasant Mann, a 16-year FEMA veteran who heads the agency's government employee union, wrote members of Congress to warn of the agency's decay. 'Over the past three-and-one-half years, FEMA has gone from being a model agency to being one where funds are being misspent, employee morale has fallen, and our nation's emergency management capability is being eroded,' he wrote. 'Our professional staff are being systematically replaced by politically connected novices and contractors.'...

...In August 1992, Hurricane Andrew assaulted Florida and other Southern states with 170-mile-an-hour winds, killing 23 people and leaving a trail of devastation. The severity of the storm caught FEMA off-guard, and the agency did too little, too late to help the state recover, enraging thousands of storm victims. Several days after Andrew dissipated, Dade County's emergency manager famously pleaded, 'Where the hell is the cavalry?'

Two months later, President George H.W. Bush paid a price of sorts at the polls when Bill Clinton shrunk the incumbent's once-sizable lead and came within two percentage points of beating Bush in Florida. It was an important lesson learned for both the politicians and the emergency agency.

In 1993, President Clinton's new FEMA director, James Lee Witt, set the agency on a corrective course. Witt, who had served under then-Gov. Clinton as director of Arkansas emergency management, embarked on an ambitious campaign to bulk up the agency's natural disaster programs while staying prepared for "all hazards." Witt's changes reversed FEMA's reputation for being unfocused and ineffective. The agency drew praise from Democrats and Republicans for improving coordination with state and local emergency offices and turning attention and resources to the benefits of disaster mitigation.

'Mitigation is the cornerstone of emergency management,' a FEMA Web site explains today.

'It's the ongoing effort to lessen the impact disasters have on people's lives and property.' Under mitigation plans, houses in flood plains are moved or raised above the flood-line, buildings are designed to withstand hurricane winds and earthquakes, and communities are relocated away from likely wildfire zones. According to FEMA estimates, every dollar spent on mitigation saves roughly two dollars in disaster recovery costs.

The need for more systematic mitigation efforts was driven home by 1996's Hurricane Fran, which killed 37 people and caused tens of billions of dollars in damages. In 1997, Witt established Project Impact, which would become the agency's most high-profile mitigation program.

Under the project, FEMA fostered partnerships between federal, state and local emergency workers, along with local businesses, to prepare individual communities for natural disasters. Impact partnerships sprang up in all 50 states. In Seattle, Wash., for example, the grants were used to retrofit schools, bridges and houses at risk from earthquakes. In Pascagoula, Miss., the project funded the creation of a database of structures in the local flood plain�crucial information for preparing mitigation plans. In several eastern North Carolina communities, it helped fund and coordinate buyouts of houses in flood-prone areas.

By the time the Bush administration entered office in January 2001, some 250 communities had signed up for Project Impact. FEMA seemed sturdy, having found its role and proved itself capable of fulfilling it. But in the field of emergency management, some things can change as quickly as the weather...

...At the same time, Allbaugh gave contradictory signals on the value of mitigation, on one occasion chastising a community for doing too little to prepare in advance for disaster. In April 2001, he caused a stir when he asked Iowans, then in the midst of massive flood recovery efforts, 'How many times will the American taxpayer have to step in and take care of this flooding, which could be easily prevented by building levees and dikes?'

A month later, The Washington Post reported that Bush�s moves against mitigation programs were causing worries in disaster-prone states. 'Statehouse critics of the proposed cuts contend that in the long run they would cost the government more because many communities will be unable to afford preventative measures and as a result will require more relief money when disasters strike,' the newspaper noted.

By ignoring the logic of fully-funded mitigation and other preparedness programs, Bush's first FEMA director earned some scorn among emergency specialists. 'Allbaugh? He was inept,' says Claire Rubin, a researcher at George Washington University's Institute for Crisis, Disaster and Risk Management. 'He was chief of staff for Bush in Texas�that was his credential. He didn't have an emergency management background, other than the disasters he ran into in Texas, and he wasn't a very open guy. He didn't want to learn anything.'

Allbaugh's tenure at the agency would be a relatively short one. In December 2002, he announced he would leave his post. While political observers expected Allbaugh to join the Bush re-election effort, instead he set about creating a string of lobbying firms, including New Bridge Strategies (which grew out of Barbour, Griffith & Rogers), which helps U.S. companies win reconstruction contracts in Iraq. This summer, he started another consulting company with Andrew Lundquist, the former director of Vice President Dick Cheney's secretive energy policy task force. The firm's first client was Lockheed Martin, one of the country's largest defense contractors...

...But Bush's proposal won out, and a shift in priorities from natural disasters to counter-terrorism immediately took hold. In its 2002 budget, the White House doubled FEMA's budget to $6.6 billion, but of that sum, $3.5 billion was earmarked for equipment and training to help states and localities respond to terrorist attacks.

Michael Brown, a college friend of Allbaugh's who had served as FEMA's general counsel, was recruited to head the agency, which would now be part of the DHS's Emergency and Response Directorate. When the reorganization took effect on March 1, 2003, Brown assured skeptics that under the new arrangement, the country would be served by 'FEMA on steroids'�a faster, more effective agency...

...In 2003, Congress approved a White House proposal to cut FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) in half. Previously, the federal government was committed to invest 15 percent of the recovery costs of a given disaster in mitigating future problems. Under the Bush formula, the feds now cough up only 7.5 percent.

Such post-disaster mitigation efforts, specialists say, are crucial to minimizing future losses. It's after a disaster strikes, they argue, that the government can best take the steps necessary to avoid repeat problems, because that's when officials and victims are most receptive to mitigation plans.

Larry Larson is executive director of the Association of State Floodplain Managers, an organization that keeps a close eye on mitigation matters. The Bush administration, he says, is 'being penny-wise and pound foolish' by cutting the HMGP formula. His group has pressed Congress to restore the federal investment to 15 percent of disaster costs, and he expects that some legislators will soon take up the cause on their own. 'Florida's going to be looking for mitigation money so that they can rebuild in a safer fashion,' he says. 'I'm sure that the Florida delegation is going to be thinking now about how the state can't do what's needed with the recent cuts in post-disaster mitigation�how they can't do today what they could have done before.'

Pressed on this issue, Bush administration officials have said that the formula puts more of the mitigation burden on state governments, where it belongs. But the National Emergency Management Association (NEMA) points out that, now more than ever, cash-strapped states cannot afford to pick up the balance. 'The federal focus on terrorism preparedness has left states with an increased responsibility to provide support for natural disasters and emergencies,' noted a report by the association this summer. 'State budget shortfalls have given emergency management programs less to work with, at a time when more is expected of them. In fiscal year 2004, the average budget for a state emergency management agency was $40.8 million, a 23 percent reduction from fiscal year 2003.'

The administration also argues that its new pre-disaster mitigation grants, which are awarded on a competitive basis, will help states pick up the slack. But again, emergency managers say it's not enough. In recent congressional testimony, a NEMA representative noted that 'in a purely competitive grant program, lower income communities, those most often at risk to natural disaster, will not effectively compete with more prosperous cities.... The prevention of repetitive damages caused by disasters would go largely unprepared in less-affluent and smaller communities.'

Indeed, some in-need areas just have been left out of the program. 'In a sense, Louisiana is the flood plain of the nation,' noted a 2002 FEMA report. 'Louisiana waterways drain two-thirds of the continental United States. Precipitation in New York, the Dakotas, even Idaho and the Province of Alberta, finds its way to Louisiana's coastline.' As a result, flooding is a constant threat, and the state has an estimated 18,000 buildings that have been repeatedly damaged by flood waters�the highest number of any state. And yet, this summer FEMA denied Louisiana communities' pre-disaster mitigation funding requests.

In Jefferson Parish, part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue is baffled by the development. 'You would think we would get maximum consideration' for the funds, he says. 'This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it.'...

...In case Congress hasn't gotten the message, former FEMA director James Lee Witt recently restated it in strong terms. 'I am extremely concerned that the ability of our nation to prepare for and respond to disasters has been sharply eroded,' he testified at a March 24, 2004, hearing on Capitol Hill. 'I hear from emergency managers, local and state leaders, and first responders nearly every day that the FEMA they knew and worked well with has now disappeared. In fact one state emergency manager told me, 'It is like a stake has been driven into the heart of emergency management.'"...

...'This is an exposed nerve in the emergency management community, in the sense that resources have been shifted away from hurricanes, tornados and other kinds of disasters--the kind of disasters that are more likely to occur than terrorism.'"

The rest of the article here...

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/comments.php?id=4176_0_9_0_C


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,G
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 07:55 AM

Once again, I suggest we all wait until the facts are above the 'surface'. "shots fired at a rescue Helicopter in a neighborhood" now seems to be "two people shooting at each other in the vicinity of the Super Dome when a Helicopter was nearby".

Ebbie; Those that wish to "keep the Sabbath holy" still do.
Otherwise, I don't understand what "pouring peaches into hog slop" has to do with this.

Tia, I don't thing I am repeating anything. Just some thoughts of mine based on the few conclusions that can be honestly drawn in this short time period. And I agree, the "easiest person to fool is yourself". You think about that also.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 11:49 AM

News of one minority group that hasn't turned up in the media this time around. The region hit had a variety of indigenous tribes, and this is a followup to an article I posted a couple of days ago. This came in an email, I don't have a link.

Indian Country responds to victims of Katrina
09/02/2005 - INDIAN COUNTRY

INDIANZ.COM
Tribal nations across the United States are sending their support to the victims of Hurricane Katrina as federal officials pledged to help tribes affected by a disaster that battered the Gulf Coast.

The National Congress of American Indians has set up a relief fund to assist tribes and their members in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi. Six federally recognized tribes are located in the three states, which were hit by wind, rain and flooding."Our thoughts and prayers are with the people of the Indian Nations located in the region effected by Hurricane Katrina," said NCAI President Tex G. Hall. "It is times like this when it is important for Native people to come together to help one another out."

NCAI staff said it has reached some, but not all, of the tribes affected by Katrina. Reports so far have indicated that the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians suffered the most damage. The Mississippi Choctaw Reservation was hit by Katrina as it was downgraded to a tropical depression. Several tribal communities have suffered "extensive" physical damage, the Bureau of Indian Affairs said. Telephone service and power have been lost in some areas. "The BIA is committed to helping these communities get back on their feet," said associate deputy secretary Jim Cason. "We will continue to do all we can to meet that goal." With NCAI coordinating financial assistance and the BIA addressing public safety, emergency access and emergency service, Indian Country is helping out in other ways. The Seminole Tribe of Florida sent emergency crews to the Mississippi Choctaw Reservation earlier this week, Indian Country Today reported.

Support is coming from as far away as Oregon. The Klamath Tribes are sending their primary physician, Dr. Curtis Hanst, and their pharmacist, Dr. Matt Baker, to New Orleans, the city that has endured some of the worst damage. Hanst and Baker are due to leave Klamath Falls either today or tomorrow. "This is a devastating and traumatic event in that region and the Klamath Tribes are honored to be able to assist," said Allison Henrie, the administrative officer for the tribe's health and family services department.

New Orleans is currently in a state of chaos as tens of thousands of refugees remain stranded in a city deluged by flood waters. After losing their homes and property to the storm, people are now running out of food, clothing and drinkable water. The death toll could be in the thousands.

The picture isn't as grim for tribal communities but some problems have been reported. Members of the Tunica-Biloxi Tribe of Louisiana who live in Slidell have lost homes although the storm didn't claim any lives, NCAI said yesterday. The tribe, meanwhile, is housing nearly 600 refugees at its convention center. Some are residents of New Orleans who may not be able to return home for several more months, if at all.

In Alabama, the Poarch Band of Creek Indians suffered only minor damage. But April Sells, the tribe's management director, said members of Southeastern tribes who live in the region have been hit hard."We're setting up a shelter for our members who are coming back to the reservation because they now have no home and no place to go," Sells said. The Poarch Creeks are also sending clothing, food and water to the Chitimacha Tribe in Louisiana, Sells said.

The Chitimacha Tribe has already taken in 400 tribal members who lived in New Orleans, the BIA said. Other communities affected are the Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana and the Jena Band of Choctaw Indians.

To donate to the NCAI Hurricane Relief Fund, send donations to:
National Congress of American Indians
1301 Connecticut Ave, NW
Suite 200
Washington, DC 20036

Put Hurricane Relief in subject line of check.

All donations will go to the tribes in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. A large contribution to the fund is expected from a California gaming tribe. The National Indian Gaming Association is helping to coordinate. Copyright 2005 Indianz.Com


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 11:53 AM

Link here, SRS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: bobad
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 01:11 PM

Three cheers for Canada!


Canadians beat U.S. Army to New Orleans suburb

Thu Sep 8, 1:36 AM ET

BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) - A Canadian search-and-rescue team reached a flooded New Orleans suburb to help save trapped residents five days before the U.S. military, a Louisiana state senator said on Wednesday.

The Canadians beat both the Army and the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, the U.S. disaster response department, to St. Bernard Parish east of New Orleans, where flood waters are still 8 feet deep in places, Sen. Walter Boasso said.

"Fabulous, fabulous guys," Boasso said. "They started rolling with us and got in boats to save people."

"We've got Canadian flags flying everywhere."

The stricken parish of 68,000 people was largely ignored by U.S. authorities who scrambled to get aid to New Orleans, a few miles (km) away. Boasso said residents of the outlying parishes had to mount their own rescue and relief efforts when Hurricane Katrina roared ashore on August 29.

The U.S. government response to the disaster has been widely criticized. Politicians and editorial writers have called for the resignation of top Bush administration officials.

Boasso said U.S. authorities began airdropping relief supplies to St. Bernard last Wednesday, the same day the Canadian rescue team of about 50 members arrived from Vancouver, nearly 2,200 miles away.

"They chartered a plane and flew down," he said.

Two FEMA officials reached the parish on Sunday and the U.S. Army arrived on Monday, he said.

"Why does it take them seven days to get the Army in?" Boasso asked.

He speculated that the smaller parishes suffered because the focus was on New Orleans, the famous home of jazz and Mardi Gras.

As for the Canadians, Boasso gave thanks for their quick work.

"They were so glad to be here," he said. "They're still here. They are actually going door-to-door looking in the attics" for people to rescue, he said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 01:12 PM

Adventures of one family visitng a FEMA Relocation Campl, rmeiniscent of the DP Camps following WWII.

Seems to be some confusion between refugees from a hurricane and political prisoners going on, eh?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: TIA
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 02:55 PM

My good person, if I'm the one who brought it up, wouldn't it seem that I'm already thinking about it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Peace
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 02:56 PM

No point tryin' to teach a cat to sing. It's a waste of your time and it irritates the cat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 08:55 PM

Just stand on its tail...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Sep 05 - 08:15 PM

Here's another piece of good news that came through the email this afternoon from one of our librarians. I posted the request for help from the LA State librarians a day or two ago on one of these threads:

Subject: AmigosNow, September 9, 2005

SPECIAL NOTICE
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RESPONSE TO LOUISIANA STATE LIBRARY'S CALL FOR COMPUTERS, PRINTERS TERMED "TREMENDOUS"
Libraries around the country have resoundingly responded to the State Library of Louisiana's call earlier this week for computers and printers, notes State Librarian Rebecca Hamilton, rhamilton@crt.state.la.us.

"The outpouring of support for our request for computers has been tremendous," Hamilton advises. "We nearly have what we need. Please put out the word that we have what we need in the way of computers and printers and people can focus on those other states that have been devastated. Tell everyone to pass on the word. We are working quickly to prepare the computers for our libraries. You all have saved the day!"
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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Sep 05 - 11:37 PM

Dallas launches Katrina housing fund

I'm a logged-on user of this site, but they usually want you to register, so I'll also post the story for those who don't want to sign up.




DALLAS - With New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin looking on, Dallas Mayor Laura Miller on Friday announced a campaign to raise private dollars to move Hurricane Katrina evacuees into apartments around Dallas.

Miller said the city aims to raise $3 million in private donations to cover the first two months' rent for as many as 800 Katrina households. She said the campaign already has received $250,000 in donations, and the 7-11 convenience stores around Dallas have agreed to sell Mardi Gras beads for $1 each to benefit the fund.

About 17,000 Hurricane Katrina survivors from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama were still housed at Reunion Arena and the Dallas Convention Center as of Thursday afternoon. Miller said most evacuees who were receiving public assistance in New Orleans have already been placed. Those that remain are those that had jobs, and they are the ones the fund is intended to help.

"They were in apartments, in rental homes," Miller said. "They were working the Friday before the hurricane, and they have lost everything."

Nagin was in Dallas to see family members who had evacuated here as Katrina neared New Orleans, but also because he wanted to check on the 1,500 evacuees who are still at Reunion Arena and the Dallas Convention Center. He said he was amazed at the effort's organization.

"You know you have a slogan, it says 'Don't Mess with Texas,'" he said. "It's so appropriate, because you are an incredible people."

Nagin had nothing but positive words about how Dallas has provided housing, food and other aid for evacuees.

"I saw sick people being taken care of in ways that we couldn't take care of them in New Orleans," Nagin said. "I can't say thank you enough."

Nagin and Miller both expressed frustration with FEMA's involvement in helping the hurricane victims who are now in North Texas; the Dallas mayor said the city is not waiting for federal and state help to move Hurricane Katrina victims out of the city's shelters.

"There is some chaos going on, and dysfunction with the federal government," Miller said. "Dallas can no longer wait."

Dallas megachurch The Potter's House will run the program. They are looking for churches, groups and organizations to adopt families, and help them find beds, cribs, dishes and other basics to help them get back on their feet.

It's a lot to ask after so much has already been given, but Potter's House spiritual leader Bishop T.D. Jakes is convinced that North Texans have even more in their hearts to give.

"If there is any positive thing to come from the hurricane, it's that it has blown God's people together in an unprecedented way," Jakes said.

If you want to donate items or adopt a family, call The Potter's House at 214-632-4081.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 01:03 AM

bobad -

I read about the search and rescue team's plans before they actually left Vancouver. I remember the leader of the team saying they weren't waiting for an invitation.

Gutsy! Good on em!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 02:45 PM

Congress, Heal Thyself

Monday, September 12, 2005; Page A18

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS have been quick to point fingers in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Some of the blame ought to be directed at themselves.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/11/AR2005091100954.html

(from that clicky-)

Members of the Louisiana congressional delegation might ask themselves -- or, even better, their constituents might ask -- whether they steered federal spending in the state to benefit their constituents or their financial underwriters. As The Post's Michael Grunwald reported, Louisiana has received more money for Army Corps of Engineers civil works projects than any other state during the Bush administration -- about $1.9 billion. But much of that money has gone to navigation projects of benefit to oil companies and shipping interests, not for shoring up protection against flooding. Given scarce resources, was dredging the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway really the best use of federal dollars?

Likewise, the Katrina disaster ought to lead lawmakers to rethink the irrational, porky formula that Congress has insisted on for spending disaster prevention funds. Instead of allocating money based solely on risk, Congress doles out cash even to states and cities facing minimal danger. That way, every area gets its slice of the homeland security funding pie -- and every lawmaker gets to claim credit.

The administration has tried to change these rules, but it's run into stiff resistance from some of those very lawmakers who now bewail the lack of preparedness exposed by Hurricane Katrina, including Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who as chair of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee has agreed to change the current formula but has held out for an arrangement still tilted too generously to small states such as her own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: pdq
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 12:43 PM

Blanco takes blame for state response
By Melinda DeSlatte
ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 15, 2005        

BATON ROUGE, La. -- Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco yesterday took responsibility for failures and missteps in the immediate response to Hurricane Katrina and pledged a united effort to rebuild areas ravaged by the storm.
    "We all know that there were failures at every level of government: state, federal and local. At the state level, we must take a careful look at what went wrong and make sure it never happens again. The buck stops here, and as your governor, I take full responsibility," Mrs. Blanco told lawmakers in a special meeting of the Louisiana Legislature.
    Mrs. Blanco's statement came a day after President Bush said he would "take responsibility" for federal failures in dealing with Katrina. The Democratic governor, who has criticized the response of federal officials to the storm and subsequent flood that deluged New Orleans, yesterday told legislators that Mr. Bush is "a friend and partner" in Louisiana's recovery effort.
    In New Orleans yesterday, test results released showed that floodwaters still pose a health risk because of dangerous levels of sewage-related bacteria and toxic chemicals, potentially delaying the mayor's plan to reopen parts of the city by Monday.
    The Army Corps of Engineers estimates that up to 50 percent of the floodwaters that had covered 80 percent of the city had been removed and said New Orleans would be almost completely drained by Oct. 8.
    Pumps are removing more than 8 billion gallons a day, and Mayor C. Ray Nagin was deliberating time frames for reopening parts of the city that are dry, including the French Quarter and Central Business District.
    Addressing Louisiana lawmakers yesterday, Mrs. Blanco said she would appoint an outside financial adviser to oversee the expenditure of billions of dollars in federal money that Congress has allocated to help the recovery from the disaster.
    "I assure the Congress and every American taxpayer that every nickel will be properly spent," Mrs. Blanco said.
    Meanwhile, in Washington, Senate Republicans scuttled an attempt by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, to establish an independent, bipartisan panel patterned after the September 11 commission to investigate what went wrong with federal, state and local governments' response to the hurricane.
    Separately, a Senate committee opened a hearing on the disaster, with the panel's Republican chairman saying that changes instituted after September 11 in the government's emergency preparedness failed their first major test during Katrina.
    With billions of dollars to boost disaster preparedness at all levels of government, "we would have expected a sharp, crisp response to this terrible tragedy," said Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican. "Instead, we witnessed what appeared to be a sluggish initial response."
    The official death toll from Hurricane Katrina rose to 708 yesterday after Louisiana confirmed 51 more deaths. In addition to Louisiana's 474 deaths, 218 deaths have been recorded in Mississippi, two in Alabama and 14 in Florida, according to officials in the different states.
    At least two of the Katrina evacuees scattered across the country have committed suicide, and 55 others have died, authorities said yesterday.
    Most of the post-Katrina dead were elderly or already sick, with heart conditions, cancer or other terminal illnesses, authorities said. Many had been living in hospitals, hospices and nursing homes. Several suffered heart attacks.
    On Tuesday, Mrs. Blanco had lashed out at the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), saying she was "outraged" at the slow pace of recovering bodies of those who perished in the storm. Yesterday, FEMA responded by saying that Louisiana officials asked to take over the effort last week.
    "The collection of bodies is not normally a FEMA responsibility," FEMA spokesman David Passey said.
    According to documents released by the state yesterday, Kenyon International Emergency Services was hired Tuesday to recover, document and handle the bodies of the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The contract will cost almost $119,000 a day for two months.
    "It's going to take months, maybe years," said Dr. Louis Cataldi, the coroner for Baton Rouge Parish. "This is not going away."
    Louisiana transportation officials estimated yesterday that about 1.2 million people were evacuated from the metropolitan New Orleans area in the two days leading up to Katrina's Aug. 29 landfall and that many of those people are still scattered in other states.
    Despite speculation that some would prefer to settle in their new towns, Mr. Nagin expected most would return and rebuild.
    "I know New Orleanians," he said. "Once the beignets start cooking up again and the gumbo is in the pots and red beans and rice are served on Monday -- in New Orleans, and not where they are -- they're going to be back."
    A day after Mr. Nagin said the city is essentially broke, New Orleans' already beleaguered school system announced that it would also need federal assistance to keep paying its teachers.
    Dan Packer, chief executive of Entergy New Orleans, said the company had restored power to 75 percent of the 1.1 million customers who were out at the height of the storm, mostly in Mississippi and areas of Louisiana north and west of New Orleans.
    President Bush will arrive in Louisiana today to deliver a prime-time televised speech to the nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:18 PM

See this article by Rebecca Solnit from a forthcoming issue of Harper's Magazine, October 2005. The Uses of Disaster

The subtitle for this article is "Notes on bad weather and good government".

Here is an excerpt from the postscript, available only on the Web, that specifically addresses the disaster in New Orleans.

"Disasters are almost by definition about the failure of authority, in part because the powers that be are supposed to protect us from them, in part also because the thousand dispersed needs of a disaster overwhelm even the best governments, and because the government version of governing often arrives at the point of a gun. But the authorities don't usually fail so spectacularly. Failure at this level requires sustained effort. The deepening of the divide between the haves and have nots, the stripping away of social services, the defunding of the infrastructure, mean that this disaster—not of weather but of policy—has been more or less what was intended to happen, if not so starkly in plain sight.

The most hellish image in New Orleans was not the battering waves of Lake Pontchartrain or even the homeless children wandering on raised highways. It was the forgotten thousands crammed into the fetid depths of the Superdome. And what most news outlets failed to report was that those infernos were not designed by the people within, nor did they represent the spontaneous eruption of nature red in tooth and claw. They were created by the authorities. The people within were not allowed to leave. The Convention Center and the Superdome became open prisons. "They won't let them walk out," reported Fox News anchor Shepard Smith, in a radical departure from the script. "They got locked in there. And anyone who walks up out of that city now is turned around. You are not allowed to go to Gretna, Louisiana, from New Orleans, Louisiana. Over there, there's hope. Over there, there's electricity. Over there, there is food and water. But you cannot go from here to there. The government will not allow you to do it. It's a fact." Jesse Jackson compared the Superdome to the hull of a slave ship. People were turned back at the Gretna bridge by armed authorities, men who fired warning shots over the growing crowd. Men in control. Lorrie Beth Slonsky and Larry Bradshaw, paramedics in New Orleans for a conference, wrote in an email report (now posted at CounterPunch) that they saw hundreds of stranded tourists thus turned back. "All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the city on foot." That was not anarchy, nor was it civil society...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: GUEST,G
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:24 PM

Good for the Washington Post article, Beardedbruce. I wonder how many here really read it. I had forgotten about it but will mention it on the outraged thread so no one misses it.

Keep in mind people, it was Congress that set up the Homeland Security Program and insistited that FEMA be an integral part of it.
Rumor has it that the Dems insisted that FEMAs inclusion had to be done or no deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hurricane AFTERMATH
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:38 PM

here is the end of that Harper's Magazine article by Rebecca Solnit:

"And when we look back at Katrina, we may see that the greatest savagery was that of our public officials, who not only failed to provide the infrastructure, social services, and opportunities that would have significantly decreased the vulnerability of pre-hurricane New Orleans but who also, when disaster did occur, put their ideology before their people."


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