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Subject: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

Now it's Louisiana and Mississippi....I hope you all are taking precautions.

PoppaGator...hope you are leaving New Orleans..

(I might still be in New Orleans if my family hadn't been flooded out in 1947)


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 04:12 PM

Yes, it's bad news indeed. Many northern Gulfcoast residents, myself included, would just about as soon take a direct hit ourselves as to see New Orleans take one because its extremely low geography makes it so vulnerable to flooding. We can only hope landfall occurs a bit east of the city itself so it'll be on the weaker western side of the storm.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: gnu
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 04:17 PM

Double whammy... pray it lessens.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:43 PM

Good luck PoppaGator! Batten down the hatches and head for high ground!


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:50 PM

The director of the office in New Orleans who has to deal with this paints a possible 'worst case' of the whole downtown flooded for months and a year to re-inspect buildings and get power back on. Plus the area is very hard to evacuate with lots of bridges and few routes.

It seems they have built the levees so high to cope with a 'moderate' hurricane, that a serious one could flood inside the seawalls and trap the water...which is what happened to us in 1947 (in Metairie). We had 2 ft. of water in the house for 2 weeks, till they dynamited levees to let the wind-blown water run back out.

I just hope something changes before Monday.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 07:40 PM

IF..... it hits New Orleans it will be 120 days before they can get the pumps rebuilt and about six months to remove the water since the city sits in a deep bowl beneath sea level.
(the New Orleans hurricaine emergency chief)


The last hurricane that hit the south gulf shores miraculously went from a 3 to a 1 in the last 12 hours before landfall.

Lets hope the same "technology" will work again.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 08:53 PM

wonder who the genius was who decided to place the pumps to relieve flooding in the way of floods? Seems like THAT, at least could have special placement....but maybe I don't understand the $$$$$ of it all...


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: PoppaGator
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:05 PM

So far, so good. Thanks to all for asking.

We're riding it out; our house is on the highest ground in the city, with the main living area raised a full story above grade, and our single past experience with evacuation was pretty unpleasant. Of course, that time turned out to be a false alarm for us (Ivan, last year), and this one might really hit the city and be a disaster. Still in all, we're standing pat and occupying our property, as are most of our neighbors, as well as most friends who live in town. (The suburbs are something else, with larger areas much more flood-prone.)

We have about 16-18 hours to change our minds; we could drive out of town anytime before dark tomorrow and be gone before the storm hits Monday morning. Thing is, there are no rooms available anywhere within 500 miles, and we have too many people to fit in one car ~ three "young adults," two actual grownups, and a 20-month-old. The baby seat takes up too much space to squeeze four across the back seat. If we get scared enough to change our minds and bug out, we would have to take the gas guzzling SUV rather than the Toyota sedan ~ same number of seats, but there's space in the back for someone to curl up. It would be a pretty uncomfortable ride for the one who pulls the sort straw, but preferable to the trunk of the Camry!

We'll have power until the storm hits Mon a.m. I'm not guaranteeing if and when I'll be sitting at the computer again, but I'll try to keep you all posted, and let you all know if and when we change our mind and hit the road.

While this hurricane could be pretty bad, especially with the high winds, the angle at which it's approaching rules out the real "worst case scenario." If the eye were to come straight up the river, southeast to northwest, the counterclockwise winds could theoretically blow enough water from the gulf into Lake Pontchartrain to breach the lakeside levees north of the city, which would then hold the floodwaters in. That's the blueprint for the biblical-proportions "Big One" but that's not what's happening with Katrina.

The projected path right now has the storm curling back at a NNE angle, with the eye cutting across the mouth of the river, then back over the water, and hitting the mainland on the Mississippi coast. This would more or less spare the city ~ high winds, certainly, but not a lot of flooding. The further east, of course, the better (for us). If the forecast is wrong and the eye hits us directly, that'll be bad of course, but the lake is still very unlikely to overflow, so it won't be the proverbial worst case. If the forecasts are really wrong and the eye passes to our west, it could be even worse, since we'll be on the "wrong" side of the storm with the counterclockwise winds hitting us straight from the Gulf with no overland "buffer," but again, very little likelihood of flooding from the lake side.

Our house is nice and high ~ higher than the levees ever if they were to overflow. We'll be above the waterline no matter what. What worries me most is (a) high winds blowing big heavy tree limbs onto (through?) the roof, and (b) being without power after the storm has passed, perhaps for a good long while. We have the fridge and freezer set on maximum (well, on the lowest temperature) so that stuff will stay as cold as possible for as long as possible. That's about all we can do.

PS to Bill D ~ "wonder who the genius was who decided to place the pumps to relieve flooding in the way of floods?" The only way I can see that the pumps are "in the way" of anything is that they're on the ground. Short of finding a skyhook to suspend them twenty feet in the air, I'm not sure how they could be any better situated. And of course, there would rarely be any water to pump up there; we need 'em at ground level where there's almost always water to send away. The pumping/drainage system here is actually pretty amazing, comparable to the Netherlands for making habitable space out of an area that has no business not being underwater all the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Azizi
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:08 PM

Positive vibrations, Poppagator.

Be safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:29 PM

Poppagator - If you have a cell phone, send a couple of people the number by Mudcat PM. You may be without power and/or land-line phone service for a good while and someone might wanna check on ya.

Best of luck, and if FEMA starts passing out MRE's DON'T eat the vegetarian manicotti.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Janie
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:42 PM

Poppagator, keep your heads down and be safe--all of you, ya'hear?

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 01:18 AM

Well, we have family & friends at Tulane and Xavier. Hoping they stay out of the way of the storm surge.

I've always wondered, what happens to people who can't afford to evacuate? It takes money, a vehicle, enough mobility to walk, a car to catch a ride in. I just read a story about a 74 yr old woman who wanted to evacuate, but her neighbors didn't have room for her in their car so she was left behind.

How can the city officials possibly get to all those who need to be evacuated but can't manage on their own?

I don't usually worry much about all my relatives and friends in hurricane country. But I am nervous about this one packing a wallop and bearing straight down on N.O.

I do believe poppagator is likely right, but if he is on high ground, he can better afford to wrong than folks in downtown at this point. Or so it seems to me from my far distant vantage point.

Good luck everybody. Keep yer heads down.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: PoppaGator
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:46 AM

OK, we're getting out of town after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:02 AM

A very wise choice PoppaGator. You have my best thoughts with you for your safety.

I spent the morning following all the coverage I could find on this storm and when a big honcho with the National Hurricane Center said his only way to describe it was "simply scary," I figured that about said it all. For a little storm that they thought would not even be named, Katrina is being described as the best formed and strongest hurricane in years and is also being said to be possibly worse than Camille. The radar shots are amazing and someone commented that in years to come in Meteorology 101, these are the radar images they'll use to show the perfect hurricane.

This one is truly "simply scary."

Stay safe Poppa Gator.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: JennyO
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:05 AM

I see it's mandatory evacuation in New Orleans now - category 5 and winds at 175 mph. Good luck be with you!

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:10 AM

Did someone get his cel phone number? Send it to me and I'll call him in case he's already left. Louisiana is going to be awash with people leaving New Orleans--he might as well drive to Texas, and at least we can offer a home instead of hotel. Can't do much about the heat. :)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:07 PM

Hurry Caines a comin
Hurry Caines a comin
Gonna kill some folks
who stay cuz its Able.

They say get outta town
They say get outta town
This is not a drill
beat the drums on Cable

Big an easy drownin
Big an easy drownin
beneath the wheels
of Lake Pontchatrain

Class 5 Mary go round
Big water comin down
200 miles per hour
now there ain't no power

In the dark there's sparks.
In your heart there's fear.
In your arms your loved one
screamin but you can't hear.

Shoulda got outta town
cuz there ain't no power
like kingdom come.
No there ain't no power
like kingdom come.

Hurry Caine's a comin
Gonna pray this town don't drown.
Hurry Caines a comin.
Gonna lay your brother down.

dh


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: PoppaGator
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:09 PM

Still preparing to leave...

We won't be going far; we have an empty house to stay in across the lake and, as of ust a few minutes ago, another offer of a place to stay a little farther away, on a farm outside Hattiesburg, MS. Either place will be hit by the storm, but inland enough to avoid the serious initial impact, and high enough not to flood.

We'll want to come back pretty soon to assess the damage, and that's the main reason we're not interested in traveling much of any distance.

Sorry ~ don't have a cell phone. Well, my wife does, which is almost the same thing, but I think we have enough contacts, relatives, friends, etc., checking in with us already. No offense; I really do appreciate everyne's concern.

Traffic is at a standstill going west out of town on the I-10, but no problem on I-10 east (which connects to I-59 north to Hattieburg, Meridien and points north) or straight northbound across the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway.

(Our neighbors who assured us at 7 this morning that they'd be staying to ride it out ~ they're leaving too...)


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:36 PM

Be prepared to stay there for a while, in case this storm is as bad as they fear. And the offer is still open, in case plan A doesn't work.

Best of good luck to you.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:58 PM

take care....stay dry....make some music...(perhaps a pumping shanty?)


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Metchosin
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:53 PM

Best of luck PoppaGator, for you, your loved ones and all the people of the surrounding area.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:14 PM

According to meterologist "catastrophic" is an understatement for what Hurricane Katrina will in New Orleans.

See this excerpt from a comment in the dailykos diary "Urgent Warning Thread: Hurricane Katrina Strength Unprecedented
by DarkSyde
Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 08:17:44 PDT

"...KATRINA IS COMPARABLE IN INTENSITY TO HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969...ONLY LARGER. GPS DROPSONDE DATA FROM THE NOAA G-IV MISSION EARLIER TODAY SHOWED KATRINA'S INTENSE CYCLONIC CIRCULATION EXTENDING THROUGH THE 200 MB LEVEL...WITH THE FLOW SPIRALING ANTICYLONICALLY OUTWARD IN A WELL-DEVELOPED UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW PATTERN BEYOND A COUPLE HUNDRED N MI FROM THE CENTER.

HOWEVER WE SEE NO OBVIOUS LARGE-SCALE EFFECTS TO CAUSE A SUBSTANTIAL WEAKENING THE SYSTEM...AND IT IS EXPECTED THAT THE HURRICANE WILL BE OF CATEGORY 4 OR 5 INTENSITY WHEN IT REACHES THE COAST.

THE ACTUAL LANDFALL POINT COULD STILL BE ANYWHERE FROM SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA TO THE MISSISSIPPI COAST. ALSO...WE MUST CONTINUE TO STRESS THAT THE HURRICANE IS NOT JUST A POINT ON THE MAP...BECAUSE DESTRUCTIVE WINDS...TORRENTIAL RAINS...STORM SURGE...AND DANGEROUS WAVES EXTEND WELL AWAY FROM THE EYE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SPECIFY WHICH COUNTY OR PARISH WILL EXPERIENCE THE WORST WEATHER.

THIS ADVISORY SHOWS AN ADDITIONAL EXPANSION OF THE WIND FIELD OVER THE EASTERN SEMICIRCLE BASED ON AIRCRAFT AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ARE FORECAST TO SPREAD AT LEAST 150 N MI INLAND ALONG THE PATH OF KATRINA. CONSULT INLAND WARNINGS ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICES.

This storm is a very serious storm and people should leave the coast and they should be considering leaving inland areas as well if their forecast office recommends doing so. You can't have property if you don't have life.

by inclusiveheart on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 09:08:21 PDT

-snip-

also see this comment:

"Absolutely chiiling advisory ...

From the New Orleans office of the NWS:

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA 1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005
...DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...

.HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL. PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BEKILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE OUTSIDE!"

by jrooth on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 09:40:26 PDT

-snip-

Click Hurricane Katrina here for of the diary and comments, including some from meterologist.

Warning: There are some political comments in this dairy. However a significant number of posters to that dairy indicated that the potential devastation of this hurricans supercedes politics.


Pray. Send Positive Vibrations. Hope for the best.

Words can not express the horror of these times.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:20 PM

I'm sorry for the typos. I'm so saddened by the tragedies that may occur in New Orleans. Here is the corrected first sentence of my last post:

According to meterologists "catastrophic" is an understatement for what Hurricane Katrina will do in New Orleans.

-snip-

I wish I could write "may do", but reports seem to agree that this will at the very less be a category 4 hurricane.

BTW, the capitolizations in those comments that I quoted were as they appeared in the posts and not my own editing.

I wish there was something we could do to avert this tragedy, but I'm afraid we have to just wait and pray for the best.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:58 PM

See if this link sticks around for a little while. It's a colossal storm that I think took a lot of people by surprise. I remember hearing about this dinky storm passing over Florida, yet it managed to kill 7 people. And now look at it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: snarky
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:11 PM

New Orleans may be washed away. Surely this hurricane will spawn a number of Hurricane Katrina songs. Maybe one will become a folk song.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: bobad
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:21 PM

There already is one by The Tragically Hip

"New Orleans Is Sinking"

Bourbon blues on the street loose and complete
Under skies all smoky blue-green
I can Forksake the dixie dead shake
So we dance the sidewalk clean
My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim

Colonel Tom What's wrong? What's Going On
You can't tie yourself up for a deal
He said" Hey North you're south shut you big mouth
You gotta do what you feel is real."
Ain't got no picture postcards ain't go no souvenirs
My baby she don't know me when I'm thinking about thoes years

Pale as a light bulb hanging on a wire
Sucking up to someone just stoke the fire
Picking out the highlights of the scenery
Saw a little cloud looked a little like me

I had My hand in the river
My feet back up on the banks
Looked up to the lord above and said hey man thanks
Some time I fell so good I gotta scream
She says Gordie baby I know exactly what you mean
She said, she said I swear to god she said

My memory is muddy what's this river I'm in
New Orleans is sinking and I don't want to swim


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:39 PM

I took Snarky's comments as a snark-the hidden message being that songwriting trivalizes the devastation that may be about to occur in New Orleans.

But why not be creative now if the spirit moves you to create? It is awful sitting here doing nothing and what else can we do who live far away from this predicted tragedy?

At least those who are writing songs about New Orleans and Hurrican Katrina are focused on what's happening or may happen.

I marvel that there are so many people who appear to be clueless about what may be going on in New Orleans. I received a telephone call from someone I know who ask me what I was doing, and I told her I was following this news and her response was "What hurricane?" and
"Why are you worried? You don't know anyone there, do you"?

No, but that doesn't really matter. What happens to one person happens to us all. And actually there are predictions that the price of oil nationwide will be affected by this tragedy and shipping costs will increase affecting food cost and other things...so it will directly impact us economically.   

All this to say Snarky, my view is "Power to the songwriters, and
I say to them "Write on. Write on".


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Azizi
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:54 PM

See this post from another dailykos thread on Hurricane Katrina:

"Best wishes.

I can't imagine what tragic lack of education could lead people to believe they can survive the direct path of the storm, but I hope they come to their senses before Katrina arrives.

I fear for the people who will simply get no warning or have no means to act upon it. The homeless, the elderly (who may not have any close friends or relatives and access to warnings), the poor and disadvantaged.

We here that are concerned with politics are used to talking about events of tremendous importance to human life - from nuclear proliferation, to terrorism, to globalisation and so on. But occasionally, now and again we're reminded that we're ultimately at the whim of nature and for all our brute power and civilisation, we can do little but submit to its mercy. It reminds us that we're mortal, in a very stark way.

Let this be an opportunity for the best side of humanity to come through: cooperation, self-sacrifice and neighbourly spirit.

There will be a lot of heroes made in New Orleans the next few days, as people risk their lives to save others. There will also be a lot of sad losses, lots of people who wont make it. It's in situations like these that life is at both its most harrowing, and its greatest.

Good luck to you all"...

by Mephistopheles on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 13:21:59 PDT

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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 08:04 PM

BTW... the song bobad quotes by the Hip is blues A # 1. Good tune.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Cobble
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 08:22 PM

WE have friends at Ocean Springs Mississippi with one of our litter of pups all our thoughts are with them and everyone there, white light and gods love to all, may you all be safe after yet another storm.

                      Blessings be Mrs C and Cobble.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:29 PM

What genius designed the city of New Orleans? The can't be a worse place to build a city, hell, even a woodchuck knows better than to make his home in a flood zone!


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:14 PM

Just checked my local weather forecast and they're predicting 70 to 90 MPH winds with gusts over 100 MPH here. And I'm 250 miles east of New Orleans!


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:35 PM

Gads. Batten 'em down, BWL.

I talked with family in eastern North Carolina this afternoon. All they expect to get out of Katrina in due time is heavy rain. Although that could mean flooding.

Wintertime Juneau Alaska has fairly frequent - and routine- high winds that typically gust to 75 mph, sustained winds around 55. (On the mountain above us, their instruments have recorded 200 mph!) So we are used to wind.

But I would not wish to be within 500 miles of Katrina today.

Stay safe, ever'body- and check in after ASAP, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:43 PM

here's Lou's Weather Watch , with links to every imaginable bit of info on hurricanes, past & present.

and as long as it lasts WDSU TV in N. Orleans with live broadcasts.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:47 PM

The prospect of what can happen to that city is pretty horrifying. And it will (hopefully) bring an old debate into the headlines for a little while: why build in such percarious places? I am in an area that has marginal flooding, and have to pay flood insurance for just-in-case, but since they rebuilt the bridge that was causing the problem, there hasn't been any more flooding here. I worked for a geology professor in college and remember the regular rants against the system that lets people build in 100-year flood plains.

The difference in New Orleans is the scale on which it can all happen. Vast holdings will be flooded, hundreds of thousands impacted to some degree. This has been a ticking bomb, and the fuse is now lit.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:54 PM

Sigh.

Our family isn't evacuating. They are at Tulane/Xavier, and according to Campus Police, whom I spoke with around 3 PM this afternoon, they ARE NOT EVACUATING THEIR CAMPUS.

I can't even wrap my head around the fact that so many of them are refusing to evacuate. My sister is in one of the older buildings which has thick limestone walls, 3 floors, a brand new heavy duty steel fire escape off the third floor, 13 bathtubs filled, tons of already cooked food on lots and lots of ice, but still...

All they have for the windows is masking tape. Yes, they have a huge hallway on 2nd flr w/no windows & the ability to get up the stairs to the 3rd floor hallway fire escape without being exposed to windows, but still...

This page is the NOAA Photo Archive, and if you scroll down, you can click on photos of Camille. Check out what happened to the church and the apartment building in the spot where the eye came with a 25 ft surge.

The university is smack dab in the middle of the bowl of downtown, and the eye is still tracking to go dead over downtown. We are very freaked out that these folks aren't leaving. Good Catholics to a fault, they have 3 people who are not able to travel (one just recovering from heart surgery, two of them are elderly nuns who are too frail to evacuate, so a group of the people who are staying on campus with the students with no place to go, are going to hunker down with the three who likely wouldn't survive the evacuation.

So we are praying like hell, and hoping they can keep their powder dry.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Janie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:59 PM

Guest--I'll pray with you.

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: LilyFestre
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:05 PM

Hey PoppaGator,

As I sit here and type this, the 11:00pm news in Pennsylvania is all about the hurricane...heading right for the mouth of the Mississippi. I am very relieved to read that you have decided to leave for a bit....

   Please do let us know (when you can, of course) that you and your family are okay.

My thoughts are with you.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:07 PM

If I were "in charge" this event would be the first step in not allowing cities and large populations to live in seriously vulnerable situations. There have already been smaller towns totally relocated along the Mississippi, because they were flooded every few years.

It is true that when New Orleans was 'new' a big storm just meant digging out a bit and hammering up a new shack...but with today's technology, it means **BILLIONS** of $$$$$ and lives made miserable, along with rescue and electrical worker from other states diverted to patch things up again.....insurance companies simply will not deal with the odds. Relocate 800,000 or more people? Impossible? No...just hard....dealing with another one of these in 20-40-60 years will be even harder.

If the population keeps growing, it will only get worse. New Orleans can serve as a port, and as a recreational area, but IF this storm proves as bad as it seems it might, thought should be given to not expecting it to be a major residential area forever. The same goes for Miami and other beachfront metro areas.....and to certain parts of other places like St. Louis and San Francisco, etc...If global warming raises sea level in the next 100 years, it would be well to get AHEAD of Nature for a change!


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 12:37 AM

Ye gods. Those linked photos recalled memories. I wsan't there for Camille but I well remember the devastation.

Guest, I hope your loved ones and all the others will come through no worse than amazed at the power of nature.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Ernest
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:17 AM

PoppaGator - I have read this thread on Monday, Aug. 29th, when you have already left New Orleans. Maybe you can read this at a computer at the place where you are staying or when you come back to your - hopefully intact home - but I want to tell you that all our (Louise is on visit right now) good thoughts are with you and your family!
Good luck to all of you
Ernest


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 04:58 AM

Add my good wishes to Poppagator, his family and all in the cradle of jazz & blues.

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 01:21 PM

See this report from dailykos on Hurricane Katrina:

"The monster storm Katrina raged ashore along the Gulf Coast Monday morning with sustained winds of 140 miles per hour, driving rain and huge battering waves, expected to top 28 feet in some locations. There were early reports of buildings collapsing along the coast, roofs blowing apart and windows flying out in office buildings. New Orleans' Superdome, serving as a shelter for about 10,000 people, lost power and was leaking from the roof, parts of which flew off.

. . . While the National Weather Service said New Orleans might not be as hard hit as originally feared, it also warned of a grave threat to life and property in coastal regions of Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, including New Orleans and Biloxi, Miss. By 6.30 a.m. EDT, power was going out in locations across the area of impact. Mike Brown, the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said that while he could not assess damage, roofs were being peeled away across the coast and he had reports of plate glass windows flying through the air.

. . . Gulfport, Miss. was getting hit hard, with reports of buildings collapsing. The same situation was reported from Biloxi. Some windows were blown out of office buildings in New Orleans even before the brunt of the storm arrived.

A wobble eastward of the hurricane made it unlikely that New Orleans would take a "direct hit" from the most powerful edge of the system.
But the weather service stressed that Katrina remained a life-threatening force. "This is still an extremely dangerous and potentially deadly hurricane," said a statement from the National Hurricane Center..."

-snip-

For more of this diary and comments click Here


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 01:48 PM

With this concern for all in the path of Katrina, we should not neglect to go to the Red Cross website and help these people.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:29 PM

wow...what a difference a few miles makes! Gulfport, Biloxi and other smaller communities are taking the heaviest punch from the Eastern side of the storm, with N. Orleans getting 'only' nasty, miserable treatment, instead of catastrophic winds and floods. (only one levee breached..so far, but storm surge not over yet.)

It won't be easy for anyone who has to clean up and deal with the aftermath of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:31 PM

``I'm not doing too good right now,'' Chris Robinson said via cellphone from his home east of the city's downtown. ``The water's rising pretty fast. I got a hammer and an ax and a crowbar, but I'm holding off on breaking through the roof until the last minute. Tell someone to come get me please. I want to live.''

On the south shore of Lake Ponchartrain, entire neighborhoods of one-story homes were flooded up to the rooflines. The Interstate 10 off-ramps nearby looked like boat ramps amid the whitecapped waves. Garbage cans and tires bobbed in the water.

Two people were stranded on the roof as murky water lapped at the gutters.

``Get us a boat!'' a man in a black slicker shouted over the howling winds.

Across the street, a woman leaned from the second-story window of a brick home and shouted for assistance.

``There are three kids in here,'' the woman said. ``Can you help us?''

../.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Kaleea
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

My nephew was going to fly out of San Diego to New Orleans over the weekend, & I told him to turn on the weather channel. Finally, he decided to think about waiting, & called his relatives there. Turned out they had evac'd to stay with friends in Texas. So he changed his flight to Tuesday. Now, I think he is finally realizing that he won't be flying out on Tues, either!


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: nutty
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:43 PM

I've watched CNN broadcasts off and on throughout the day. I can't imagine what it was like living with those winds. With the hurricane being about 120 miles across,I hope those that evacuated found a place of safety.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Burke
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 06:00 PM

I've been montoring WWL's contiunous broadcast from Baton Rouge. They are showing terrible pictures from New Orleans. The scarry part is that they keep saying they have not been able to get news from north of Lake Ponchetrain, like Slidell, where the eye hit.

A news conference with the govenor indicated that the weather has not cleared enough to get planes up to assess the damage. The Mayor of New Orleans is out on a boat checking flooded areas.

There will be no going home for PoppaGator & others for a couple of days. I hope he went on to Hattisburg instead of just across the lake. Here's praying he has a home to go to.


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Subject: RE: BS: more hurricane warnings
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 07:00 PM

Hope you and yours are OK PoppaGator, plus your neighbours and friends.

If you can get anywhere near a pc let us know. Lots of folk rooting for you out here.


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