PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003

Subject: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 05:08 PM

New Date for "DeMo" - confirmed with presenter - ignore last Thread:-


What is proposed:-

On Thursday 30th January 2003 at Fleetwood Lancashire England (just up the coast from Blackpool and home of the Fylde Folk Festival) The BBC Blue Bus is coming to the Steamer Hotel - the Blue bus is a community interest and IT equipped bus that visit various locations during the week, interviews local people, explains IT and allows access to the internet etc via 6 onboard computers - at 4.05 pm there is a 25 minute program transmitted from the bus to Radio Lancashire listeners.

John Bond and myself will be at the steamer from early morning through the day, we will take our musical instruments (but don't let that put you off!), the Petition for people to sign and details of how to sign online (hopefully via The Blue Bus) and details of EDM 331 and how to contact MPs etc......

It would be great if as many people as possible could come along, bring instruments (and as long as the Landlord OKs it) have a play and sing..... maybe get interviewed? Help pass the word and explain the situation to members of the unaware public.

I know it's a working day for most of you - and many will be restricted by travel - but pass on the message to anyone you think might be interested and would like to come along - The Steamer is right next to the Market (which is open) so hopefully there should be a few people about having a look at the Blue Bus.........

There has also been talk of a "phone-in" on radio Lancashire re. new proposals


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What is proposed:-

On Thursday 30th January 2003 at Fleetwood Lancashire England (just up the coast from Blackpool and home of the Fylde Folk Festival) The BBC Blue Bus is coming to the Steamer Hotel - the Blue bus is a community interest and IT equipped bus that visit various locations during the week, interviews local people, explains IT and allows access to the internet etc via 6 onboard computers - at 4.05 pm there is a 25 minute program transmitted from the bus to Radio Lancashire listeners.

John Bond and myself will be at the steamer from early morning through the day, we will take our musical instruments (but don't let that put you off!), the Petition for people to sign and details of how to sign online (hopefully via The Blue Bus) and details of EDM 331 and how to contact MPs etc......

It would be great if as many people as possible could come along, bring instruments (and as long as the Landlord OKs it) have a play and sing..... maybe get interviewed? Help pass the word and explain the situation to members of the unaware public.

I know it's a working day for most of you - and many will be restricted by travel - but pass on the message to anyone you think might be interested and would like to come along - The Steamer is right next to the Market (which is open) so hopefully there should be a few people about having a look at the Blue Bus.........

There has also been talk of a "phone-in" on radio Lancashire re. new proposals

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Pete - aka The Barman

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 05:20 PM

Am I repeating myself? don't know how that happened - sorry

Subject: LYR ADD: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 06:13 PM

Good for you! Too far for me to get there - though I try to get to Fylde Festival most years if I can. But Fleetwood is one place where this should be happening. I know there are a lot of people up there who wouldn't see themselves as folkies, but they love they Festival and appreciate the music around the town. Just sit down on a bench to tune a guitar during the festival, and someone is almost bound to come up and say something to that effect.

And maybe, since you are dealing with the media, and the media think in cliches, get some ukeleles along, because that's what spells Blackpool for the BBC.

Here is a song I wrote at Fylde Festival (and the tunes in that link) a couple of years ago, walking up from the camp site, and sang it when I got there:

Well I went into a public house, and ordered up my beer,
And the barman says, I'm sorry mate, you cannot sing in here.
A fellow from the council, he came on very strong,
Says I haven't got the licence that will let you sing your songs.
Sing a song of freedom, sing it while you may,
Rules and regulations are taking it away
So sing a song of freedom, better sing it very quiet,
If anyone joins the chorus, then a licence is required.

One of you or two of you, well that could be allowed -
But if anyone joined the chorus, well, three would make a crowd.
If I let you sing your songs, then I'd be sorry if I did,
For that could mean a fine for me of twenty thousand quid.
Sing a song of freedom, sing it while you may,
Rules and regulations are taking it away
So sing a song of freedom, better sing it very quiet,
If anyone joins the chorus, then a licence is required.

Watching football on the telly can fair make the rafters ring -
But if a you want to sing a song, that's quite a different thing.
Folk or Jazz or Rock and Roll, any old kind of sound,
Reggae, punk, or Mozart, they do not want us round.
Sing a song of freedom, sing it while you may,
Rules and regulations are taking it away
So sing a song of freedom, better sing it very quiet,
If anyone joins the chorus, then a licence is required.

Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free
If you keep your head down, they just might let you be.
Land of Hope and Glory - excuse me if I laugh.
If you want to sing a song, best sing it in the bath.
Sing a song of freedom, sing it while you may,
Rules and regulations are taking it away
So sing a song of freedom, better sing it very quiet,
If anyone joins the chorus, then a licence is required.

Sing a song of freedom, sing it while you may,
Though their rules and regulations may be standing in the way,
Sing a song of freedom, sing it loud and clear,
Sing a song of freedom, let them know that you are here.

Mind even that song didn't envisage good old New Labour changing two-in-a-bar to none-in-a-bar.

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 07:36 PM

I may be wrong - but didn't you sing it at John Bonds Sing-a-round at the Mount that Friday?

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 08:02 PM

That's where I was going when I was shaping it, and that would have been the first time out.

It's a longish walk from the campsite, just about right for putting a song together. (I think the tune's shifted a little - started out more or less as Sing a Song of Sixpence, but after a few times out it turned into something closer to Click Go the Shears.)

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 18 Jan 03 - 08:15 PM

I remember it well! - I help run the singaround with John - play a banjo......

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 19 Jan 03 - 06:50 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 09:05 AM

Have spoken with the Landlord at The Steamer Pub (as mentioned above) He is more than welcome for the "action" to go ahead and will welcome the music/singing and petition..........

If you can support this event which might, in some small way, have an effect on changing the proposed licensing laws and the knock-on effect on music, dance and entertainment - please do so.

Pete


make 30th January 2002 The day the music survived

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 09:54 AM

Good pub, and just next to where where the buses stop. And the boats, when there are any boats.

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 10:13 AM

It also has a PEL - so no objection there.........

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 21 Jan 03 - 06:04 AM

Any Morris dancer fany popping in in Uniform???

I've mentioned it to Singleton Cloggers .....

as Nike would say "Just do it"

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 06:03 AM

*refresh*

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 04:54 PM

Saw the presenter from the BBC who will be at the Steamer next Thursday she is talking about most of her program being dedicated to the singing in the pub and the PEL proposals - great..

She is also at a meeting on MOnday and will be sorting out a phon-in debate - posibly in the morning - I will know more MOnday.

looking good - hope plenty can come along


Pete

The Barman

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 05:42 PM

Refreshing ain't it

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 12:46 PM

Can't get to London on 27th?

Want to have your say?
Find out more about the new proposals?
Help spread the word?
Have a sing/play?
Visit the BBC Blue Bus?

Come to Fleetwood on the 30th January 2003 - all day at the Steamer Pub - Music/song/dance and Friendly PEL Demo, BBC Radio Lancashire Present - Fleetwood Folk Club in the evening. - Make a day of it.

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 02:35 PM

Oops no market!

Local Paper now involved and hopefully will be doing a report on the proposed license and the event on Thursday......

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 02:39 PM

Doing a great job, it is a bit too far for me but I will be there in sprit. I hope it all goes well.

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: fleetwood
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 07:20 PM

anyone attending the "demo" will be welcome to the Fleetwood Folk club meeting which will be held as usual in the Steamer on Thursday evening. so a full day of music may be on offer.

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 01:31 PM

Final interview today with radio lancashire...... Information will go out at 07.50 am (ish) on air inviting people to come along and information on what why and where. Program will be transmitted at 16.05 on radio Lancashire for those who can receive it plus odd snippits during the morning and on the BBC Website.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread and "Fleetwood" reiterated - don't forget the folk club in the evening - every Thurday at the steamer - Suport Live Music - Whilst you can!

Thanks for all the support and to those who can make it on the day - see you there....

Pete

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 30 Jan 03 - 03:59 AM

Broadcast went out as planned inviting people along to the "Demo" at the Steamer Pub Fleetwood Lancashire - Alan Bell (Director of the Fylde Folk Festival - held every year in Fleetwood - the weekend after the August Bank Holiday)will be there who will explain how the proposed changes will affect Festival organisers etc... People representing Morris dance, Folk club and singaround organisers, floor singers, pro and semi-pro musicians will be there, council and tourist board reps have been invited - so various people at various times throughout the day - it may be quiet it may be busy - the more support the better........

will update the threat after the event.............. Fingers crossed

9.00am   bus arrives

10.00am pub opens (soft drinks coffee scones etc) people arrive?

11.00-4.00pm music, interviews, petition signing in the steamer - Blue Bus IT computers and internet available

4.05pm - 4.30pm Transmission on Radio Lancashire of days events.

4.30 - 8.30 ?????

8.30 - 11.00 - Fleetwood Folk Club - at the Steamer.

cheers - Pete

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Jan 03 - 08:21 AM

Currently listening to:

BBC Radio Lancashire

broadcasting on 95.5, 103.9, and 104.5FM,
and 855, 1557 MW
which claims to have news broadcasts available online, but seems to be currently unavailable.

Hope day goes well (despite forecasts of snow flurries...!). Filling in more job applications here, otherwise I'd be with you.

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Jan 03 - 08:28 AM

Broadcasting live from the bus right now.... encouraging people to go along (to strains of the Irish Rover in the background).

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 07:28 AM

Thanks to those including Graham Dixon, Alan Bell and local and not so local musicians who managed to get along..... and the local licensing officer who to my mind and most of the others there confirmed we will have a problem if the proposals go through "as is" - he stayed on for 3/4 hr after the programme went out to try and answer questions.... and a good natured debate took place, if only the good doctor could be as reasonable as the enforcement officer was - maybe things could have been resolved without all this fuss!

Might have done some good and we managed another 3 or 4 pages of signatures.

I'm sure anyone listening to the Nic Dow show "Lancashire Drift" last night would have been as amazed as the rest of us at the lack of knowledge of the proposal by the presenters, totally confusing the PEL and proposed licensing charges with PRS payments, not realising that current pubs clubs that already hold a PEL will automatically get the new license without additional costs - giving a resume of the new laws - although admitting they new nothing much about them - that bore little or less to what is really proposed - I'm not surprised the phone was red hot!!!!!!!!

Maybe if they'd listened to the afternoon program they'd have realised it's not a "storm in a teacup" - or maybe we're being unfair and they were playing "Devils Advocate" hands being tied by the radio station??????   we'll see..................

thanks again everyone and also a big thanks to radio Lancashire for allowing us to take over the program - and special thanks to Maria Felix Vas for all her hard work - she's a Luv......

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 07:34 AM

Our song for the day..... to the tune of Lancashire Lasses (based on Oh dear what can the matter be)


No Singing Aloud
Words P Skinner & John Bond Tune Trad.



Once we could only sing "Two in a Bar"

We thought that restriction was going too far

We asked them to change it and so here we are

It's none in a bar there will be



So we took up Morris dancing, out on the street

But now, the government's put on the heat

'Cause if anyone's watching the law we won't meet

So it's no Morris dancing for me



I went to the pub the Jukebox to hear

Bought me a sandwich and had me a beer

But I, could not sway to the music I fear

'Cause dancing you can't do for free



Can't hear myself think in the pub now you see

They're watching the match on the widescreen TV

And I think to myself "now how can that be?"

That they don't need a licence for that?



Get your MP to sign, E D M 331

Before singing and dancing and music is gone

And I've just realized that in singing this song

A criminal then I will be


So plead for me with your M.P.


Or no music and dancing there'll be

Subject: RE: PEL - 'Demo' Fleetwood 30th Jan 2003
From: clansfolk
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:56 AM

Information and interviews - What happened

Including real audio copy of Pre show interview that went out at 07.55am on the day - more information to be added as it comes in.....