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BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change

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DMcG 06 Feb 03 - 03:53 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Feb 03 - 07:21 PM
The Shambles 07 Feb 03 - 05:46 AM
banjomad (inactive) 07 Feb 03 - 10:10 AM
Dave Bryant 07 Feb 03 - 10:31 AM
The Shambles 07 Feb 03 - 10:33 AM
Gareth 07 Feb 03 - 02:21 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM

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Subject: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 03:53 PM

Yesterday the Guardian published a sketch of a drawing by our favourite Minister and had their art critics comment on it.

Their remarks obviously hit a nerve and KH wrote an immediate letter in which his hurt pride is evident. You may like to read it here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 07:21 PM

Struck me the drawing was a waste of paper, and so was the Guardian coverage, with a page in the tabloid section thrown away on it, just as a bitchy payback for the man's comments last October on the Turner Prize.

Which was just about the only sensible thing I've come across him saying, as it happens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:46 AM

Just wait until his novel is reviewed..........


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: banjomad (inactive)
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 10:10 AM

Kim Howells is still a twat


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 10:31 AM

Perhaps he'll write a song and somebody will be prosecuted for singing it witjout a PEL.


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 10:33 AM

Music Bill attack 'pure fantasy'
By Jack Malvern, Arts Reporter


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Dr Howells stood by earlier comments that the union was spreading "a pernicious lying campaign". He said: "The problem with the union is that it is good at dishing it out, but no good at taking it. What it is saying is nonsense. It thinks that a postman walking down a street and whistling will need a licence."

I wonder when his own novel appears, if Dr Howells will be as good at taking it as he is at dishing out?


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: Gareth
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:21 PM

Hmmm !

Those who can - Do !

Those who can't - Criticise !

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Kim Howells, but NOT PELS for a change
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM

But sometimes those who can't - do as well. You don't necessarily have to be a musician to recognise a bum note.

Not that I have any wish to defend Kim Howells - however I think it's better to concentrate on the numerous times he says things that don't make sense, or just aren't true, rather than on the rare occasions when what he says happens to be in line with what a great many people think.

I'd far rather that he had gone on record as saying that the Turner Prizewinners were magnificent artists, and every bit as good as Turner himself. That would have convinced everyone that Kim Howells really was...


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